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I really don't think you want to compare average O&D salaries to average 4 year salaries lol84Cat wrote:Soloman Hill played 4 years and makes $12 million/year. How much is Grant Jarrett making? How about Stanley Johnson? Crazy that TJ & Stanley make about the same amount of money nowNed Zissou wrote:I cannot think of any student who would not drop out of college to make $500K per year to play basketball all day.
16 of the top 21 paid players the NBA this season played college ball for two or more years.84Cat wrote:Soloman Hill played 4 years and makes $12 million/year. How much is Grant Jarrett making? How about Stanley Johnson? Crazy that TJ & Stanley make about the same amount of money nowNed Zissou wrote:I cannot think of any student who would not drop out of college to make $500K per year to play basketball all day.
I'd be entirely fine with Azuolas and Tautvilas Tubelis playing with the stated expectation of a single season here. In fact I hope that's the case so we could make that part of our offer to Banchero - an open starting spot at his PF position.Chicat wrote:My only hope is that none of our recruits told the coaches they’d give the program one year and then they were 100% going to bounce. That would disappoint me if we still offered them.
13 of the top 21 biggest contracts are by O&D players (excluding foreign players who played overseas instead of college).PHXCATS wrote:
16 of the top 21 paid players the NBA this season played college ball for two or more years.
Why 21 instead of 20? Because Lillard is the 21st and he has the highest contract of all time. Without him it would be 15 out of the top 20.
I was trying to compare players with similar skills sets when they entered the UA. Did Ayton have the same expectations as Soloman Hill?SunnyAZ wrote:I really don't think you want to compare average O&D salaries to average 4 year salaries lol84Cat wrote:Soloman Hill played 4 years and makes $12 million/year. How much is Grant Jarrett making? How about Stanley Johnson? Crazy that TJ & Stanley make about the same amount of money nowNed Zissou wrote:I cannot think of any student who would not drop out of college to make $500K per year to play basketball all day.
I hope Dalen is good enough to be a 1&D too
I dont get the math. Taking out the Intl' and including Lebron as OAD that is only 11 of 21, I guess that is a small enough difference to ignore for some. But of those OAD who many were not top 10 picks? Tobias and Booker? I believe the point that was being made is marginal OAD's do not make much or last long in the league, transcendent talent will always be transcendent talent and that profile does not really fit Dalen from what I have seen of him. As Choo said if he is a OAD talent, that is great news for Arizona and I will be ecstatic. The fear though is he is another Kobi Simmons or Grant Jarrett who doesn't really have the talent justify the quick jump but may go that route anyway.SunnyAZ wrote:13 of the top 21 biggest contracts are by O&D players (excluding foreign players who played overseas instead of college).PHXCATS wrote:
16 of the top 21 paid players the NBA this season played college ball for two or more years.
Why 21 instead of 20? Because Lillard is the 21st and he has the highest contract of all time. Without him it would be 15 out of the top 20.
I think the per season is a little biased because older players can make more per year. And players stayed in college longer 10+ years ago.
also because shooting was undervalued at the time.
Exactly. These top 50 players typically don't want to be in school for more than one season, even if they are not ultimately NBA ready. He arguably has NBA potential, but who knows how many years it will take for him to get there. Unfortunately few of these players ever look at the college opportunity as a possible multi-year development opportunity, if that is what it takes.azcat49 wrote:The guy was courted by the G league as they dangled that money carrot in front of him. That has to be the temptation. Some guys just want to get paid to work on their game or they hate school that much. No way Terry is a top 15-30 pick. I know wings that can guard multiple positions are coveted but his game has holes
Correct me if I'm wrong, Choo and others, but aren't we basically 100% sure that BWill isn't playing basketball for AZ again?BeardownZonaZona wrote:Miller just said that we need to get BWill back on his media discussion a little bit ago. Personally I don't see that happening as that would mean someone like Ira Lee would be leaving the program or someone else would be losing a scholarship. Thoughts?
I don't think there is a scholarship for him, if memory serves.Beachcat97 wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong, Choo and others, but aren't we basically 100% sure that BWill isn't playing basketball for AZ again?BeardownZonaZona wrote:Miller just said that we need to get BWill back on his media discussion a little bit ago. Personally I don't see that happening as that would mean someone like Ira Lee would be leaving the program or someone else would be losing a scholarship. Thoughts?
From what I'm told if he wants to play bball again it won't be at Arizona.Beachcat97 wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong, Choo and others, but aren't we basically 100% sure that BWill isn't playing basketball for AZ again?BeardownZonaZona wrote:Miller just said that we need to get BWill back on his media discussion a little bit ago. Personally I don't see that happening as that would mean someone like Ira Lee would be leaving the program or someone else would be losing a scholarship. Thoughts?
Interesting. I mean, as others have pointed out, Miller's roster moves over the past few months indicate that BWill will not be part of the 2020-21 team. But who knows.UAEebs86 wrote:
Medical liability?ChooChooCat wrote:From what I'm told if he wants to play bball again it won't be at Arizona.Beachcat97 wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong, Choo and others, but aren't we basically 100% sure that BWill isn't playing basketball for AZ again?BeardownZonaZona wrote:Miller just said that we need to get BWill back on his media discussion a little bit ago. Personally I don't see that happening as that would mean someone like Ira Lee would be leaving the program or someone else would be losing a scholarship. Thoughts?
I guess the article puts all those comments by Miller casually in the context of the clearance. If Arizona hasn't cleared him, that was an unhelpful article.ChooChooCat wrote:No one from Arizona has cleared him.
He hasn't been in Tucson since our last home game.Longhorned wrote:I guess the article puts all those comments by Miller casually in the context of the clearance. If Arizona hasn't cleared him, that was an unhelpful article.ChooChooCat wrote:No one from Arizona has cleared him.
He ought to transfer to BYU...ChooChooCat wrote:He hasn't been in Tucson since our last home game.Longhorned wrote:I guess the article puts all those comments by Miller casually in the context of the clearance. If Arizona hasn't cleared him, that was an unhelpful article.ChooChooCat wrote:No one from Arizona has cleared him.
He has no cartilage in his knee. There's no telling if he'll ever be remotely close to what he once was (the odds are very good he never will be) and that's disregarding the fact of the liability of putting him back out on the court in an Arizona uniform.Beachcat97 wrote:Help me out: if he's actually cleared -- as in, no longer being affected by the injury/condition -- why aren't we trying to keep him?
No cartilage in his knee and yet he's being cleared to play? Something doesn't add up. Is the clearance report bullshit? Do AZ's doctors set a higher bar for medical clearance?ChooChooCat wrote:He has no cartilage in his knee. There's no telling if he'll ever be remotely close to what he once was (the odds are very good he never will be) and that's disregarding the fact of the liability of putting him back out on the court in an Arizona uniform.Beachcat97 wrote:Help me out: if he's actually cleared -- as in, no longer being affected by the injury/condition -- why aren't we trying to keep him?
From Miller's recent comments, Williams was ready for basketball activities at the end of the season. Importantly though: that's just another stage of observation and rehab - Arizona doctors/trainers need to see how he physically responds to increased activity (and keep working with him to fix issues that will arise). Realistically, he's likely fine to play a game of basketball. But with the lost cartilage in his knee, the wear and inflammation from practicing and playing will likely prevent him from playing a season (at least from Arizona's perspective).Beachcat97 wrote:No cartilage in his knee and yet he's being cleared to play? Something doesn't add up. Is the clearance report bullshit? Do AZ's doctors set a higher bar for medical clearance?ChooChooCat wrote:He has no cartilage in his knee. There's no telling if he'll ever be remotely close to what he once was (the odds are very good he never will be) and that's disregarding the fact of the liability of putting him back out on the court in an Arizona uniform.Beachcat97 wrote:Help me out: if he's actually cleared -- as in, no longer being affected by the injury/condition -- why aren't we trying to keep him?
“I think the number one thing we can control is whenever we’re allowed to get him back here, we’re going to do that,” Miller said. “He’ll have our doctors, we’ll have new MRIs, he’ll be able to hopefully pick up where he left off, and give it his best to finish what he started. But for us or anybody to speculate on his future when he was never able to finish the crucial part of his recovery, that’s just not fair right now. I think we just have to let this play out. If we didn’t hit the (corona)virus, I think all the answers would be clearly on the table. Number one, I think he would know himself how healthy he is and what he can and can’t do.”
They did the same to Jay Johnson during his CWS run. ESPN hates them some Arizona baseball.prh wrote:We constantly discuss how the NCAA takes advantage of athletes, it's a business, etc. If 9 months from now, BWill can't play in the tournament, and it comes out that he can't even walk around campus, what would people across the country be saying? That Miller destroyed a player for his/our own gain
Hell, there was lots of talk like that when baseball won the natty in 2012, multiple ESPN guys continuously dragged Lopez for overworking his pitchers. Factor in how much Sean has to be aware of and concerned with his public perception and reputation. I don't blame him at all if he refuses to let BW play again (for us).
They do that to every college team that is not from the SEC or ACC. They accused Rice of it for Wayne Graham's entire career.ChooChooCat wrote:They did the same to Jay Johnson during his CWS run. ESPN hates them some Arizona baseball.prh wrote:We constantly discuss how the NCAA takes advantage of athletes, it's a business, etc. If 9 months from now, BWill can't play in the tournament, and it comes out that he can't even walk around campus, what would people across the country be saying? That Miller destroyed a player for his/our own gain
Hell, there was lots of talk like that when baseball won the natty in 2012, multiple ESPN guys continuously dragged Lopez for overworking his pitchers. Factor in how much Sean has to be aware of and concerned with his public perception and reputation. I don't blame him at all if he refuses to let BW play again (for us).
Oh I totally believe it. Baseball doesn't exist outside of those two conferences if it were up to ESPN.legallykenny wrote:They do that to every college team that is not from the SEC or ACC. They accused Rice of it for Wayne Graham's entire career.ChooChooCat wrote:They did the same to Jay Johnson during his CWS run. ESPN hates them some Arizona baseball.prh wrote:We constantly discuss how the NCAA takes advantage of athletes, it's a business, etc. If 9 months from now, BWill can't play in the tournament, and it comes out that he can't even walk around campus, what would people across the country be saying? That Miller destroyed a player for his/our own gain
Hell, there was lots of talk like that when baseball won the natty in 2012, multiple ESPN guys continuously dragged Lopez for overworking his pitchers. Factor in how much Sean has to be aware of and concerned with his public perception and reputation. I don't blame him at all if he refuses to let BW play again (for us).
FIFYChooChooCat wrote:Oh I totally believe it. College sports doesn't exist outside of those two conferences if it were up to ESPN.legallykenny wrote:They do that to every college team that is not from the SEC or ACC. They accused Rice of it for Wayne Graham's entire career.ChooChooCat wrote:They did the same to Jay Johnson during his CWS run. ESPN hates them some Arizona baseball.prh wrote:We constantly discuss how the NCAA takes advantage of athletes, it's a business, etc. If 9 months from now, BWill can't play in the tournament, and it comes out that he can't even walk around campus, what would people across the country be saying? That Miller destroyed a player for his/our own gain
Hell, there was lots of talk like that when baseball won the natty in 2012, multiple ESPN guys continuously dragged Lopez for overworking his pitchers. Factor in how much Sean has to be aware of and concerned with his public perception and reputation. I don't blame him at all if he refuses to let BW play again (for us).
Don't know.who got the better of whom, but Akinjo was very very good if that's what you really want to know. The guy has proven he's more than good enough for this level of ball.NickyBCats wrote:Choo who was better in their practice battles, Akinjo or Nico?
Glad to hear he's back out hooping but I hope BWill is relying on some capable medical partners to assess and repair his body as he turns up the intensity. There's a potential for a young guy to push through the pain of recovery and come out the other side, but if we're looking at long term physical success for BWill... nothing beats the kind of structured approach that the Arizona medical staff was hoping to complete with Williams.NickyBCats wrote:Apparently Bwill posted he was playing pickup last week. Today I saw on twitter that Donavan Mitchell and his Jazz teammates were getting some run in at the Mamba Academy against some other pros and local college guys including Bwill.
There's more than one way to skin a cat in regards to our scholarship situation. I'd expect him to go to Oregon honestly, but Arizona is certainly trying.BeardownZonaZona wrote:So I saw yesterday we made the final 8 for Alex Tchikou, a 6'11 forward out of Phoenix. He announced this after we reclassified to this year's recruiting class. Only scenario I see us be able to get him is if BWill leaves and T. Tubelis becomes a walk-on. What are the odds we get him and what does that mean for our scholarship situation?
It would be wise of Sean to keep at least one kid who has been in the program for more than 1 year around.ChooChooCat wrote:There's more than one way to skin a cat in regards to our scholarship situation. I'd expect him to go to Oregon honestly, but Arizona is certainly trying.BeardownZonaZona wrote:So I saw yesterday we made the final 8 for Alex Tchikou, a 6'11 forward out of Phoenix. He announced this after we reclassified to this year's recruiting class. Only scenario I see us be able to get him is if BWill leaves and T. Tubelis becomes a walk-on. What are the odds we get him and what does that mean for our scholarship situation?
Could not agree more Chicat. Plus I have read some Rickertesque reports on his circle.Chicat wrote:It would be wise of Sean to keep at least one kid who has been in the program for more than 1 year around.ChooChooCat wrote:There's more than one way to skin a cat in regards to our scholarship situation. I'd expect him to go to Oregon honestly, but Arizona is certainly trying.BeardownZonaZona wrote:So I saw yesterday we made the final 8 for Alex Tchikou, a 6'11 forward out of Phoenix. He announced this after we reclassified to this year's recruiting class. Only scenario I see us be able to get him is if BWill leaves and T. Tubelis becomes a walk-on. What are the odds we get him and what does that mean for our scholarship situation?
