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The reason that the tallest team in the nation takes 23 3's is because that's what the defense is giving us.
Easy to say "just get it inside" but when the paint is packed like the last 2 games you don't just force it in. That's why the lobs haven't worked. There is no room to execute that play as easily anymore because teams are scouting us and putting a body on the big rolling to the hoop.
Easy to say "just get it inside" but when the paint is packed like the last 2 games you don't just force it in. That's why the lobs haven't worked. There is no room to execute that play as easily anymore because teams are scouting us and putting a body on the big rolling to the hoop.
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UCLA set the standard for how to defend us. It's up to Tommy & Co. to adjust, which may be easier said than done with a hobbled Tubelis.EastCoastCat wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 11:35 am The reason that the tallest team in the nation takes 23 3's is because that's what the defense is giving us.
Easy to say "just get it inside" but when the paint is packed like the last 2 games you don't just force it in. That's why the lobs haven't worked. There is no room to execute that play as easily anymore because teams are scouting us and putting a body on the big rolling to the hoop.
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I said this in the other thread, but I wonder if the counter isn't some old Miller actions like screens to get Tubelis (or Ballo/Koloko) moving into the post or some dribble handoffs to keep the perimeter actions guard only.EastCoastCat wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 11:35 am The reason that the tallest team in the nation takes 23 3's is because that's what the defense is giving us.
Easy to say "just get it inside" but when the paint is packed like the last 2 games you don't just force it in. That's why the lobs haven't worked. There is no room to execute that play as easily anymore because teams are scouting us and putting a body on the big rolling to the hoop.
Obviously, shooting better will cure a lot, but these are ways to hopefully be less stagnant when teams invest in attacking rim running bigs.
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One would hope CTL is pulling together a bunch of counters as teams have adjusted to not just our style of play but our approach to getting easy buckets. That to me has been the key to our early success and the reason our assist ratio was way off the charts. When half of your makes come from uncontested dunks and lay-ins makes it a pretty damn efficient offense wouldn't you say?Spaceman Spiff wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 10:16 amI said this in the other thread, but I wonder if the counter isn't some old Miller actions like screens to get Tubelis (or Ballo/Koloko) moving into the post or some dribble handoffs to keep the perimeter actions guard only.EastCoastCat wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 11:35 am The reason that the tallest team in the nation takes 23 3's is because that's what the defense is giving us.
Easy to say "just get it inside" but when the paint is packed like the last 2 games you don't just force it in. That's why the lobs haven't worked. There is no room to execute that play as easily anymore because teams are scouting us and putting a body on the big rolling to the hoop.
Obviously, shooting better will cure a lot, but these are ways to hopefully be less stagnant when teams invest in attacking rim running bigs.
Yes, making open perimeter shots will help but so would having some guys (AT, Benn and especially Kriisa) be able to hit mid-range shots. That's what UCLA excels at.
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Yeah...if I had to peg another question, I wonder where the secondary break is? UCLA and ASU effectively kept us out of the primary break, but we seemed to always go to half court instead of mining any secondary break.EastCoastCat wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 10:29 amOne would hope CTL is pulling together a bunch of counters as teams have adjusted to not just our style of play but our approach to getting easy buckets. That to me has been the key to our early success and the reason our assist ratio was way off the charts. When half of your makes come from uncontested dunks and lay-ins makes it a pretty damn efficient offense wouldn't you say?Spaceman Spiff wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 10:16 amI said this in the other thread, but I wonder if the counter isn't some old Miller actions like screens to get Tubelis (or Ballo/Koloko) moving into the post or some dribble handoffs to keep the perimeter actions guard only.EastCoastCat wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 11:35 am The reason that the tallest team in the nation takes 23 3's is because that's what the defense is giving us.
Easy to say "just get it inside" but when the paint is packed like the last 2 games you don't just force it in. That's why the lobs haven't worked. There is no room to execute that play as easily anymore because teams are scouting us and putting a body on the big rolling to the hoop.
Obviously, shooting better will cure a lot, but these are ways to hopefully be less stagnant when teams invest in attacking rim running bigs.
Yes, making open perimeter shots will help but so would having some guys (AT, Benn and especially Kriisa) be able to hit mid-range shots. That's what UCLA excels at.
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I totally agree with this. I was at the game and kept wondering if they were hurt... then I was thinking WTF is Tommy doing... then as the lead grew I kept thinking what balls that took from Tommy.
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I was texting people watching as my buddy and I couldn’t figure out why they were sitting either.Alieberman wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 8:16 am I totally agree with this. I was at the game and kept wondering if they were hurt... then I was thinking WTF is Tommy doing... then as the lead grew I kept thinking what balls that took from Tommy.
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Well it worked out but our Offense really was impacted. Gutsy call but made me nervous.
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In case anyone is wondering, we won the game because of Ari and Clamps. Thanks you two.
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Then they better fucking be there on Saturday...dovecanyoncat wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 10:09 am In case anyone is wondering, we won the game because of Ari and Clamps. Thanks you two.
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It's all due to my lucky underwaredovecanyoncat wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 10:09 am In case anyone is wondering, we won the game because of Ari and Clamps. Thanks you two.
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Damn right. Or we should hunt those MF'ers down. Hey Clamps you streaming Sat.?EastCoastCat wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 10:13 amThen they better fucking be there on Saturday...dovecanyoncat wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 10:09 am In case anyone is wondering, we won the game because of Ari and Clamps. Thanks you two.
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No good deed .....EastCoastCat wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 10:13 amThen they better fucking be there on Saturday...dovecanyoncat wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 10:09 am In case anyone is wondering, we won the game because of Ari and Clamps. Thanks you two.
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Tommy should make it a personal mission to teach Kriisa how to get fouled.
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Who (besides Tommy) do we think is on the short list for National Coach of the Year?
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Bruce Pearl as much as that hurts to type - Go Arkansas
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Mark Adams from Texas tech.
Arizona State might have the most surprisingly anemic history in men's basketball of any program that you might think is better than it is.
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Anyone know what bonus Tommy's contract says for conference or national coach of the year?
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https://tucson.com/sports/arizonawildca ... c9d50.html
Guaranteed pay
(Includes base salary plus $700,000 annually from Arizona for peripheral duties, including speaking engagements and promotional activities. Also includes separate agreements with Nike and IMG for $200,000 each.)
2021-22: $2.9 million
2022-23: $3.0 million
2023-24: $3.1 million
2024-25: $3.2 million
2025-26: $3.3 million
Multi-year APR (retention and eligibility metric):
971 or above: $25,000
1000: $50,000
Cumulative GPA
3.00-3.29: $125,000
3.30-3.68: $175,000
3.69 or above: $200,000
Conference play
Pac-12 regular season title: $50,000
Pac-12 Tournament title: $50,000
NCAA Tournament (highest amount only)
• $25,000 for second round appearance
• $75,000 for Sweet 16
• $125,000 for Elite Eight
• $300,000 for Final Four
• $800,000 for NCAA title
Final AP or coaches poll ranking (highest amount only)
Between 11-15: $20,000
Top 10: $30,000
Regular-season wins
Between 20-24: $20,000
25 or more: $40,000
Extras
• One courtesy car
• Eight football season tickets and use of stadium suite
• 10 basketball season tickets
• Five women's basketball season tickets
• Five Wildcat sports passes
• Use of country club that is a UA partner
• 15 air charter seats and game tickets for postseason games in which charter travel is used
• Seats for family at road games and one additional hotel room for in-season road trips
• 45 hours of noncommercial (charter) jet use for recruiting and other business activities
Salary pools
• $1.05 million for three assistant coaches
• $285,000 for other staffers (operations, on-campus recruiting and analytics). Does not include administrative assistants, managers and graduate assistants.
Guaranteed pay
(Includes base salary plus $700,000 annually from Arizona for peripheral duties, including speaking engagements and promotional activities. Also includes separate agreements with Nike and IMG for $200,000 each.)
2021-22: $2.9 million
2022-23: $3.0 million
2023-24: $3.1 million
2024-25: $3.2 million
2025-26: $3.3 million
Multi-year APR (retention and eligibility metric):
971 or above: $25,000
1000: $50,000
Cumulative GPA
3.00-3.29: $125,000
3.30-3.68: $175,000
3.69 or above: $200,000
Conference play
Pac-12 regular season title: $50,000
Pac-12 Tournament title: $50,000
NCAA Tournament (highest amount only)
• $25,000 for second round appearance
• $75,000 for Sweet 16
• $125,000 for Elite Eight
• $300,000 for Final Four
• $800,000 for NCAA title
Final AP or coaches poll ranking (highest amount only)
Between 11-15: $20,000
Top 10: $30,000
Regular-season wins
Between 20-24: $20,000
25 or more: $40,000
Extras
• One courtesy car
• Eight football season tickets and use of stadium suite
• 10 basketball season tickets
• Five women's basketball season tickets
• Five Wildcat sports passes
• Use of country club that is a UA partner
• 15 air charter seats and game tickets for postseason games in which charter travel is used
• Seats for family at road games and one additional hotel room for in-season road trips
• 45 hours of noncommercial (charter) jet use for recruiting and other business activities
Salary pools
• $1.05 million for three assistant coaches
• $285,000 for other staffers (operations, on-campus recruiting and analytics). Does not include administrative assistants, managers and graduate assistants.
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So conservatively Tommy will get another $310k based on GPA of 3.00 (125K), P12 title (125K), Sweet 16 (75K), Final Ranking 11-15 (20k) and 25 wins (40K). Moma gets new shoes.
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Yeah, plus at the time he signed the deal, he was going to have to pay someone to take his football tickets. With Fisch's latest recruiting class, he might be able to break even there.
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I'm calling it now, Pac-12 COY
Weren't we picked 5th during media day?
Weren't we picked 5th during media day?
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I think CTL will be national coach of the year.
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NCOY I'm thinking.
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Nope. Everyone's saying Pearl.
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He will definitely be in the running. Will they give it to someone from the Pac-12 is the only question I would have. The last ncoy from the Pac was Tony Bennett in 2007
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Who selects?
Will Pearl's "baggage" weigh heavy in some voters minds?
Will Pearl's "baggage" weigh heavy in some voters minds?
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The “oh shucks” assassin.
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Lol, I love it! ‘The Awww Shucks Assassin!’ Good one East!
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There is a very real possibility that Gonzaga and Arizona finish 1-2 in the regular season
What does that say about Mark Few and Tommy Lloyd?
Crazy
What does that say about Mark Few and Tommy Lloyd?
Crazy
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The Seattle Times - Percy Allen
“They adjusted,” UW forward Nate Roberts said....
“They’re a well-coached team. They’re a top-five team in the country for a reason. They made their adjustments and started attacking the spots that are the weak points of our zone. And they hit shots. We couldn’t make our shots when we got the ball back.”
Arizona’s first-year coach Tommy Loyd made all the right decisions while outmaneuvering UW coach Mike Hopkins.
Essentially, Lloyd was content on Brown having a big scoring day while effectively shutting down every other Husky.
At times, it looked as if was 1 vs. 5.
Meanwhile, Arizona used its superior size advantage on the front line to pummel Washington inside and flushed 11 dunks that drew chants of “U-of-A” from the Wildcat fans.
Hopkins lamented Washington’s inability to slow down Arizona’s offense, which connected on 69% of its field goal in the second half. He noted the Huskies had 18 steals and forced 21 turnovers in their first meeting — a 95-79 UW loss on Jan. 3.
In Saturday’s rematch, UW had a season-low two steals and Arizona had just nine turnovers.
“We always talk about a cumulative effort, like our ball pressure, our gap help, our rim protection, the way we run the floor, the way we move on offense that way we offensive rebound,” Lloyd said. “We want to be relentless. We don’t want to ever let up and eventually we hope the dam breaks.”
https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/uw- ... -wildcats/
“They adjusted,” UW forward Nate Roberts said....
“They’re a well-coached team. They’re a top-five team in the country for a reason. They made their adjustments and started attacking the spots that are the weak points of our zone. And they hit shots. We couldn’t make our shots when we got the ball back.”
Arizona’s first-year coach Tommy Loyd made all the right decisions while outmaneuvering UW coach Mike Hopkins.
Essentially, Lloyd was content on Brown having a big scoring day while effectively shutting down every other Husky.
At times, it looked as if was 1 vs. 5.
Meanwhile, Arizona used its superior size advantage on the front line to pummel Washington inside and flushed 11 dunks that drew chants of “U-of-A” from the Wildcat fans.
Hopkins lamented Washington’s inability to slow down Arizona’s offense, which connected on 69% of its field goal in the second half. He noted the Huskies had 18 steals and forced 21 turnovers in their first meeting — a 95-79 UW loss on Jan. 3.
In Saturday’s rematch, UW had a season-low two steals and Arizona had just nine turnovers.
“We always talk about a cumulative effort, like our ball pressure, our gap help, our rim protection, the way we run the floor, the way we move on offense that way we offensive rebound,” Lloyd said. “We want to be relentless. We don’t want to ever let up and eventually we hope the dam breaks.”
https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/uw- ... -wildcats/
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2019 & 2021 Basketball RAP Winner/2022 Football RAP Winner
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Do we finally have a team that understands how to break a zone?
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Yes, but it helps when you have someone like AT in the middle hot zone who can shoot or pass.
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Trying to keep the UA from getting lobs at the basket left AT wide open at the FT throw constantly.
Now if AT could just finish better...
Now if AT could just finish better...
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Seth is a tool
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That Lute Olson's system is the greatest of all time.Alieberman wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 10:42 pm There is a very real possibility that Gonzaga and Arizona finish 1-2 in the regular season
What does that say about Mark Few and Tommy Lloyd?
Crazy
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facts - Gonzaga copied Arizona and Lute Olson in every single wayChooChooCat wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 11:51 amThat Lute Olson's system is the greatest of all time.Alieberman wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 10:42 pm There is a very real possibility that Gonzaga and Arizona finish 1-2 in the regular season
What does that say about Mark Few and Tommy Lloyd?
Crazy
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Exactly, that is why this year’s team is reminiscent of the style from the Lute era. Arizona basketball has not looked this good in a long time.97cats wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 12:06 pmfacts - Gonzaga copied Arizona and Lute Olson in every single wayChooChooCat wrote: ↑Sun Feb 13, 2022 11:51 amThat Lute Olson's system is the greatest of all time.Alieberman wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 10:42 pm There is a very real possibility that Gonzaga and Arizona finish 1-2 in the regular season
What does that say about Mark Few and Tommy Lloyd?
Crazy
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And Lloyd took over a dumpster fire and has changed the culture and direction of the program overnight. One of the most impressive coaching jobs in recent memory.Alieberman wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 10:42 pm There is a very real possibility that Gonzaga and Arizona finish 1-2 in the regular season
What does that say about Mark Few and Tommy Lloyd?
Crazy