2024-25 Arizona Basketball

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Chicat wrote: Mon Nov 18, 2024 3:07 pm If you’re going to lose 8 poll spots going on the road to play in tough environments like in Madison in the non-con the incentive will be to just stay home and play cupcakes if you play a killer conference schedule like the Big XII.
Didn't see the game, but from the post-game comments, it sounded like the Big Ten refs were actively "doing their job", which is to say the early-season paternalistic stuff (early T on Love, etc.) Obviously we played poorly and would have lost regardless, and maybe it's a good learning experience for a re-patched lineup. But the stacked deck of those kinds of non-conference road game seems like overkill, and the eastern sportswriter types don't seem to give out any credit for tough scheduling. They're just happy to re-confirm their existing beliefs about yet another soft overrated far west team. Fans like the big intersectional home-and-homes, but with the murderer's row of the Big XII waiting, going forward things non-conference may look much more like our series with UCLA, Battle for Atlantis, etc.
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I love the scheduling of several top opponents in the conference pre-season.

Good for fans.

Good for team-building.

If one discredits regular season performance vs tournament performance (as most here seem to do!), then these games, that might mean more losses but better preparation for the post-season, should be regarded as positives.

And, poll rankings, before January, are, IMNSHO, just as meaningless as preseason polls and ALL of "bracketology" predictions before March.
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pc in NM wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2024 10:26 am I love the scheduling of several top opponents in the conference pre-season.

Same. Scheduling cupcakes like Miller was prone to do sure builds up your record and your confidence, and even puts players like Nico Mannion into the conversation for the lottery, but once you hit conference schedule and come on down back to earth you fall into the 2nd round.

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We generally play up to our competition

I expect a great effort, great game by the Cats
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I don't think anyone suggests lowering the level of competition and playing Mercyhurst at McKale for every non-conference game. The only question is how much you cater to fans for the McKale half of a major home-and-home by subjecting yourself to hostile refs and observing a free throw exhibition by the opposition (and frequently a loss) for the road half, with whatever impact that has on that season. Not sure how much that prepares you for NCAA play which is usually officiated very differently. It was interesting in the Pac how much you sometimes had to play on eggshells (even at home!), with much dialogue about how that hurt us when the tournament came around. You need to play 5 or 6 tough teams prior to league play. It's just whether you play them in Tucson, Baton Rouge, Tucson, Bloomington, Tucson, and Lexington, or whether you play them in Phoenix, Maui, Nassau, New York, Palm Springs, and Las Vegas.
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Beachcat97 wrote: Mon Nov 18, 2024 3:38 pm Convince me we can win on Friday.
Because Arizona is a good team

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Is the site down?
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Postmaster wrote: Thu Nov 21, 2024 5:40 pm Is the site down?
Seems like nobody has posted in a week.
Not really sure what to say about this team honestly. The way we played a week ago was confounding. This is about the least cohesive a Tommy Lloyd-coached team as I think we’ve seen and I’m genuinely concerned that will continue tomorrow night.
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I say it's too early to tell, and a lot can and will change from now to March.

Tomorrow will be interesting to see how we respond.
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I'm was at a wedding so didn't get to see much of the Wisconsin game. The first two games seemed like exhibitions. So many guys played it was like watching a Red/Blue game.
I know people have said that if Ballo stayed Krivas would have left but from what I have seen we are lacking rim protection.

By March, will Love be the secondary ball handler?
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I think Bryant shuts down Flagg, and Cats get the W
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3 pointers are a mirage. Get to the cup or hit the free throw line extended jump shots. Move without the ball. Take the easiest shots possible. Cause havoc with full court presses the entire game because we’re at home.

And please….some fans in the crowd….desecrate a picture of Rat Face for the nation to see! I hate everything about Duke and want to see us win this game.
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Postmaster wrote: Thu Nov 21, 2024 5:40 pm Is the site down?
Seems like nobody has posted in a week.
Textbook fair weather fanbase
LuteIsGod wrote: Fri Nov 22, 2024 7:59 am And please….some fans in the crowd….desecrate a picture of Rat Face for the nation to see! I hate everything about Duke and want to see us win this game.
Who fucking cares. Move on
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^What was the point of this other than to behave like a turd?
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Machina at one time could actually contribute to conversations whether we agreed with him or not.
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We need to have a conversation about poor roster construction.
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Chicat wrote: Fri Nov 22, 2024 10:27 pm We need to have a conversation about poor roster construction.
Tommy's loyalty to Boswell was a problem.

Tommy's loyalty to Love is a problem.

Tommy needs to set loyalty aside when deciding how to build a roster.
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This definitely looks like a roster construction problem. We need to give Bryant as many minutes as possible.
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Dave wrote: Fri Nov 22, 2024 10:53 pm This definitely looks like a roster construction problem. We need to give Bryant as many minutes as possible.
As posted on the previous page - its a weird roster.

And it was exposed big time tonight.

Lloyd couldnt even play ADO (we sure he watched tape on him?). Bradley was the only guy who could get Arizona a bucket. None of our bigs could protect/handle the ball nor do anything inside. Duke came out hyper aggressive and punched us in the mouth all over the court and we really struggled w the physicality. And Lloyd never should have allowed Love back. He was so bad tonight I was wondering if he had $$$ on Duke.

Almost posted this after Wisky but imo Lloyd needs to run with Carter at the 4 and trust with those minutes he raises Arizona’s ceiling by the end of the season.

Will know more after the Bahamas and UCLA but as of right now it looks like Arizona is in trouble.
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TucsonClip wrote: Sun Nov 17, 2024 4:34 pm
We can leave it there for now, as it's still early. I think the most alarming thing is

1. His defense is even worse than anticipated
2. His eFG% is just as bad.

Long ways to go, but not a great start.
Lloyd couldnt even play him tonight. He tried a couple times But ADO didnt last 60 seconds. Cant play at this level, period.
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Just got back to my Oro Valley hotel. The atmosphere at the game was great.

Watching the UA bball team tonight was a bit like watching a UA football game this year....the other guy had better players.

Flagg>>>>>>>>>>>>Love.

We were outrebounded and could not sink 3's, Our inside game was non-existent.

I believe that tonight was the first time that I can say the NIL has hurt the program. For the last two games, its evident that we would have been better off giving Loves $NIL$ cash to Ballo and sent Love packing. But we didn't have the money so we couldn't keep both. I also have to wonder if Dell'Orso was a scouting bust or he was just all we could afford. The NIL issue, unfortunately, is not going to get better, either for football or basketball.

Going forward unless Love "figures it out" we need to see more Carter Bryant coming off the bench. I was also more impressed with Veesar tonight than Krivas. Veesar had more fight and its evident Krivas has issues with the speed of the game in US college basketball.
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If I'm remembering correctly, Love's NIL was for Love specifically, as in it would not be there to spread around to other people.
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I thought CTL chose Krivas over Ballo.
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