Time Outs

Machina · Post by **Machina** » Mon Feb 09, 2015 1:47 pm

Bob Kemp has been talking about how Miller is using too many time outs early on and it is a cause for why U of A is not scoring late in games when they need a bucket.

Completely agree. The final plays in close games have left a lot to be desired. Saving a TO or two would allow for better plays in those situations.

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Mon Feb 09, 2015 1:51 pm

Shut up

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Mon Feb 09, 2015 1:56 pm

Machina wrote:Bob Kemp has been talking about how Miller is using too many time outs early on and it is a cause for why U of A is not scoring late in games when they need a bucket.

Completely agree.

Either you misunderstood Bob Kemp, or Bob Kemp makes no sense.

Olsondogg · Post by **Olsondogg** » Mon Feb 09, 2015 1:57 pm

Time outs = buckets

Things I learned today. Someone get Miller on the line.

Machina · Post by **Machina** » Mon Feb 09, 2015 2:02 pm

Longhorned wrote:
Machina wrote:Bob Kemp has been talking about how Miller is using too many time outs early on and it is a cause for why U of A is not scoring late in games when they need a bucket.

Completely agree.
Either you misunderstood Bob Kemp, or Bob Kemp makes no sense.

I do not see good play calls late in close games. I completely agree with Bob in that saving a time out or two would allow for better play calls to be drawn up, leading to better chances at buckets and points.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Mon Feb 09, 2015 2:12 pm

You know who always left time outs on the clock? Lute Olson.

He wanted the players to win (or lose) the game.

Machina · Post by **Machina** » Mon Feb 09, 2015 2:16 pm

Merkin wrote:You know who always left time outs on the clock? Lute Olson.

He wanted the players to win (or lose) the game.

That may be true, but Lute was not perfect and neither is Miller

Olsondogg · Post by **Olsondogg** » Mon Feb 09, 2015 2:17 pm

But Bob Kemp is

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Mon Feb 09, 2015 2:22 pm

Olsondogg wrote:But Bob Kemp is

97cats · Post by **97cats** » Mon Feb 09, 2015 2:53 pm

Olsondogg wrote:But Bob Kemp is

scumdevils86 · Post by **scumdevils86** » Mon Feb 09, 2015 4:12 pm

I am hoping for threads on such mind blowing subjects as dribbling, free throw technique, style of shoe lace tying, jersey length, player facial hair, and what kinda of pizza they like the most as soon as possible.

we need to discuss this.

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Mon Feb 09, 2015 4:15 pm

scumdevils86 wrote:I am hoping for threads on such mind blowing subjects as dribbling, free throw technique, style of shoe lace tying, jersey length, player facial hair, and what kinda of pizza they like the most as soon as possible.

we need to discuss this.

Don't forget jump balls. We've yet to see anyone break down the number of first possessions that Tarc has secured this year. But I suspect the numbers are poor and reflect poorly on Sean Miller.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Mon Feb 09, 2015 4:27 pm

Longhorned wrote:
scumdevils86 wrote:I am hoping for threads on such mind blowing subjects as dribbling, free throw technique, style of shoe lace tying, jersey length, player facial hair, and what kinda of pizza they like the most as soon as possible.

we need to discuss this.
Don't forget jump balls. We've yet to see anyone break down the number of first possessions that Tarc has secured this year. But I suspect the numbers are poor and reflect poorly on Sean Miller.

The ASU was the first time Kaleb did not win the tip in recent memory. Although most times it seems someone on Arizona threw the ball away, poor passing. Someone should make a thread about that.

rgdeuce · Post by **rgdeuce** » Mon Feb 09, 2015 4:30 pm

Olsondogg wrote:Time outs = buckets

Things I learned today. Someone get Miller on the line.

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Mon Feb 09, 2015 5:22 pm

Bob Kemp says we shouldn't vaccinate our children. Completely agree. He also says Ariana Grande is the bomb. This is why he is the best.

Bob Kemp also says if you call a timeout early and then score or stop the other team, those buckets don't count as much as the ones at the end. Completely agree.

RockyRaccoon · Post by **RockyRaccoon** » Mon Feb 09, 2015 5:27 pm

Coach K is the master at preserving TOs late in games.

What a surprise, he also happens to be the best coach in the college game.

RockyRaccoon · Post by **RockyRaccoon** » Mon Feb 09, 2015 5:28 pm

What difference would it make anyway if Miller had some late TOs?

The guy can not draw up an offensive scheme to save his life.

Does anyone remember the end of the Wisconsin game?

lol

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Mon Feb 09, 2015 5:28 pm

Preserving timeouts requires "mastery?" I could do that. Don't call any. Now I'm a genius!

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Mon Feb 09, 2015 5:29 pm

RockyRaccoon wrote:What difference would it make anyway if Miller had some late TOs?

The guy can not draw up an offensive scheme to save his life.

Does anyone remember the end of the Wisconsin game?

lol

Was it like the end of the Duke-Mercer game? Or like the Lehigh one?

lol

Wasn't like the last two Duke-Arizona games. Not close enough to bother.

lol

RockyRaccoon · Post by **RockyRaccoon** » Mon Feb 09, 2015 5:30 pm

gumby wrote:Preserving timeouts requires "mastery?" I could do that. Don't call any. Now I'm a genius!

lol

try being a NBA/college basketball coach and not calling TOs in a sport that is so incredible swung by momentum.

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Mon Feb 09, 2015 5:31 pm

RockyRaccoon wrote:
gumby wrote:Preserving timeouts requires "mastery?" I could do that. Don't call any. Now I'm a genius!
lol

try being a NBA/college basketball coach and not calling TOs in a sport that is so incredible swung by momentum.

I'd stand a better chance of summiting Everest.

RockyRaccoon · Post by **RockyRaccoon** » Mon Feb 09, 2015 5:32 pm

gumby wrote:
RockyRaccoon wrote:What difference would it make anyway if Miller had some late TOs?

The guy can not draw up an offensive scheme to save his life.

Does anyone remember the end of the Wisconsin game?

lol
Was it like the end of the Duke-Mercer game? Or like the Lehigh one?

lol

Wasn't like the last two Duke-Arizona games. Not close enough to bother.

lol

hmmmm, no I can't remember exactly.

Must have been in one of those 4 national championships he has. Or maybe in one of those 11 final four appearances. Well for sure it was in one of the 1,003 career victories he has.

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Mon Feb 09, 2015 5:39 pm

I sure you appreciated Coack K not calling timeout early in the second half as we went from four down to 11 ahead in four minutes. Killer momentum shift. Game over.

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Mon Feb 09, 2015 5:40 pm

RockyRaccoon wrote:
gumby wrote:
RockyRaccoon wrote:What difference would it make anyway if Miller had some late TOs?

The guy can not draw up an offensive scheme to save his life.

Does anyone remember the end of the Wisconsin game?

lol
Was it like the end of the Duke-Mercer game? Or like the Lehigh one?

lol

Wasn't like the last two Duke-Arizona games. Not close enough to bother.

lol
hmmmm, no I can't remember exactly.

Must have been in one of those 4 national championships he has. Or maybe in one of those 11 final four appearances. Well for sure it was in one of the 1,003 career victories he has.

Yeah. All a tribute to his TO mastery, not McDonald's All-Americans.

lol

RockyRaccoon · Post by **RockyRaccoon** » Mon Feb 09, 2015 5:43 pm

gumby wrote:
RockyRaccoon wrote:
gumby wrote:
RockyRaccoon wrote:What difference would it make anyway if Miller had some late TOs?

The guy can not draw up an offensive scheme to save his life.

Does anyone remember the end of the Wisconsin game?

lol
Was it like the end of the Duke-Mercer game? Or like the Lehigh one?

lol

Wasn't like the last two Duke-Arizona games. Not close enough to bother.

lol
hmmmm, no I can't remember exactly.

Must have been in one of those 4 national championships he has. Or maybe in one of those 11 final four appearances. Well for sure it was in one of the 1,003 career victories he has.
Yeah. All a tribute to his TO mastery, not McDonald's All-Americans.

lol

don't be so simplistic friend-o.

its his understanding of the game that makes him the best.

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Mon Feb 09, 2015 6:21 pm

Do you have stats on his timeout preservation? Read tons of articles about his 1,000th victory. Not one mentioned this key point.

RockyRaccoon · Post by **RockyRaccoon** » Mon Feb 09, 2015 6:25 pm

gumby wrote:Do you have stats on his timeout preservation? Read tons of articles about his 1,000th victory. Not one mentioned this key point.

Like I said, don't be so simplistic friend-o.

WATCH THE GAMES.

Harvey Specter · Post by **Harvey Specter** » Mon Feb 09, 2015 6:53 pm

RockyRaccoon wrote:
gumby wrote:
RockyRaccoon wrote:
gumby wrote:
RockyRaccoon wrote:What difference would it make anyway if Miller had some late TOs?

The guy can not draw up an offensive scheme to save his life.

Does anyone remember the end of the Wisconsin game?

lol
Was it like the end of the Duke-Mercer game? Or like the Lehigh one?

lol

Wasn't like the last two Duke-Arizona games. Not close enough to bother.

lol
hmmmm, no I can't remember exactly.

Must have been in one of those 4 national championships he has. Or maybe in one of those 11 final four appearances. Well for sure it was in one of the 1,003 career victories he has.
Yeah. All a tribute to his TO mastery, not McDonald's All-Americans.

lol
don't be so simplistic friend-o.

its his understanding of the game that makes him the best.

Careful... You are the one equating TO preservation with coaching greatness. Ever hear of the saying "When you point a finger at someone, you have 3 pointing right back at yourself"?

Was K born that way? Oops... I guess not. In his first 5 years at Duke, he made the NCAA tourney twice but did not get past the first weekend.

Duke was the National runner-up the just 3 years before he arrived and had 4 Final 4's in the previous 18 seasons.

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Mon Feb 09, 2015 6:55 pm

Watching RockyRacoon try to take on Gumby is like watching that drunk jerk hide from security at the aquarium and them jump into the shark tank.

RockyRaccoon · Post by **RockyRaccoon** » Mon Feb 09, 2015 6:56 pm

I did not equate preserving TOs with coaching greatness.

I said he is one of the greatest coaches of all time and the best in the college game right now and this is because he understands the game better than everyone else. Preserving TOs and making the most of them is one factor of that.

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Mon Feb 09, 2015 6:59 pm

RockyRaccoon wrote:I did not equate preserving TOs with coaching greatness.

I said he is one of the greatest coaches of all time and the best in the college game right now and this is because he understands the game better than everyone else. Preserving TOs and making the most of them is one factor of that.

You don't know enough about college basketball to have these conversations without exposing how little you know about college basketball. Try a starter forum. Nobody's going to give you remedial course on this board.

RockyRaccoon · Post by **RockyRaccoon** » Mon Feb 09, 2015 6:59 pm

You're right about Krzyzewski and Duke not being all that successful his first few seasons and here is hoping Miller can figure it out as well as Coach K has.

RockyRaccoon · Post by **RockyRaccoon** » Mon Feb 09, 2015 7:00 pm

Longhorned wrote:
RockyRaccoon wrote:I did not equate preserving TOs with coaching greatness.

I said he is one of the greatest coaches of all time and the best in the college game right now and this is because he understands the game better than everyone else. Preserving TOs and making the most of them is one factor of that.
Your don't know enough about college basketball to have these conversations without exposing how little you know about college basketball. Try a starter forum. Nobody's going to give you remedial course on this board.

That's too empty of a post to give any kind of real response.

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Mon Feb 09, 2015 7:01 pm

RockyRaccoon wrote:
Longhorned wrote:
RockyRaccoon wrote:I did not equate preserving TOs with coaching greatness.

I said he is one of the greatest coaches of all time and the best in the college game right now and this is because he understands the game better than everyone else. Preserving TOs and making the most of them is one factor of that.
Your don't know enough about college basketball to have these conversations without exposing how little you know about college basketball. Try a starter forum. Nobody's going to give you remedial course on this board.
That's too empty of a post to give any kind of real response.

That's because you've exceeded 100 posts without saying a single intelligent thing on this board and there's not a poster here who thinks you deserve any kind of justification. You're joke. You're out.

RockyRaccoon · Post by **RockyRaccoon** » Mon Feb 09, 2015 7:02 pm

lol

The funny thing is, I hate Coach K and Duke.

But because so many of you on this forum are so simplistic in your thinking, if I praise greatness and excellence that automatically means I am a fan. Or if I am critical of the Wildcats and Miller that means I secretly am an ASU fan or something.

RockyRaccoon · Post by **RockyRaccoon** » Mon Feb 09, 2015 7:03 pm

Longhorned wrote:
RockyRaccoon wrote:
Longhorned wrote:
RockyRaccoon wrote:I did not equate preserving TOs with coaching greatness.

I said he is one of the greatest coaches of all time and the best in the college game right now and this is because he understands the game better than everyone else. Preserving TOs and making the most of them is one factor of that.
Your don't know enough about college basketball to have these conversations without exposing how little you know about college basketball. Try a starter forum. Nobody's going to give you remedial course on this board.
That's too empty of a post to give any kind of real response.
That's because you've exceeded 100 posts without saying a single intelligent thing on this board and there's not a poster here who thinks you deserve any kind of justification. You're joke. You're out.

Empty again.

Try harder friend-o. Don't just spew words together and say it is a thought.

Harvey Specter · Post by **Harvey Specter** » Mon Feb 09, 2015 7:09 pm

RockyRaccoon wrote:lol

The funny thing is, I hate Coach K and Duke.

But because so many of you on this forum are so simplistic in your thinking, if I praise greatness and excellence that automatically means I am a fan. Or if I am critical of the Wildcats and Miller that means I secretly am an ASU fan or something.

It means you do not understand the way the world works, and have zero appreciation of context - instead only clinging to absolutes. (K is awesome/ Miller sucks..... Final 4's matter / Nothing else does!)

Arizona was a complete dumpster fire in the years preceding his arrival. His achievements in his first 5 years hear surpass by a wide margin the 2 greatest college coaches of all time, in their first 5 years at marquee programs.

You are not constructively critical of Miller; you condescend as if he is incompetent.

That's okay... Machina and BC97 think he sucks, too.

Salty · Post by **Salty** » Mon Feb 09, 2015 8:13 pm

Bom Kemp can suck it

Olsondogg · Post by **Olsondogg** » Mon Feb 09, 2015 8:21 pm

Rocky is accusing someone of spewing words together?

Well, on second thought, he is the expert...

RockyRaccoon · Post by **RockyRaccoon** » Mon Feb 09, 2015 8:25 pm

Harvey Specter wrote:
RockyRaccoon wrote:lol

The funny thing is, I hate Coach K and Duke.

But because so many of you on this forum are so simplistic in your thinking, if I praise greatness and excellence that automatically means I am a fan. Or if I am critical of the Wildcats and Miller that means I secretly am an ASU fan or something.
It means you do not understand the way the world works, and have zero appreciation of context - instead only clinging to absolutes. (K is awesome/ Miller sucks..... Final 4's matter / Nothing else does!)

Arizona was a complete dumpster fire in the years preceding his arrival. His achievements in his first 5 years hear surpass by a wide margin the 2 greatest college coaches of all time, in their first 5 years at marquee programs.

You are not constructively critical of Miller; you condescend as if he is incompetent.

That's okay... Machina and BC97 think he sucks, too.

Coach K is pretty objectively "awesome" at coaching basketball.

Please provide evidence where I said that Coach Miller "sucks".

Olsondogg · Post by **Olsondogg** » Mon Feb 09, 2015 8:29 pm

Personally, Rocky, I like when you compare the results of a coach who has been coaching since 1975 against the coach who's been doing it since 2004.

Outstanding work Rocky.

RockyRaccoon · Post by **RockyRaccoon** » Mon Feb 09, 2015 8:41 pm

Olsondogg wrote:Personally, Rocky, I like when you compare the results of a coach who has been coaching since 1975 against the coach who's been doing it since 2004.

Outstanding work Rocky.

Well considering Miller has been in major college coaching for 23 years and a head coach since 2004, you would think he would have a little more figured out by now in terms of managing a game within the game.

Olsondogg · Post by **Olsondogg** » Mon Feb 09, 2015 8:47 pm

RockyRaccoon wrote:
Olsondogg wrote:Personally, Rocky, I like when you compare the results of a coach who has been coaching since 1975 against the coach who's been doing it since 2004.

Outstanding work Rocky.
Well considering Miller has been in major college coaching for 23 years and a head coach since 2004, you would think he would have a little more figured out by now in terms of managing a game within the game.

Does your brain hurt when you try and use it?

RockyRaccoon · Post by **RockyRaccoon** » Mon Feb 09, 2015 8:49 pm

Olsondogg wrote:
RockyRaccoon wrote:
Olsondogg wrote:Personally, Rocky, I like when you compare the results of a coach who has been coaching since 1975 against the coach who's been doing it since 2004.

Outstanding work Rocky.
Well considering Miller has been in major college coaching for 23 years and a head coach since 2004, you would think he would have a little more figured out by now in terms of managing a game within the game.
Does your brain hurt when you try and use it?

Hella generic response.

RockyRaccoon · Post by **RockyRaccoon** » Mon Feb 09, 2015 9:07 pm

If you're going to be so empty and predictable in your response, why not just go with the old standby, "I know you are, but what am I?" or my personal favorite, "Shut up!"

lol

threenumberones · Post by **threenumberones** » Mon Feb 09, 2015 9:30 pm

RockyRaccoon wrote:
Olsondogg wrote:
RockyRaccoon wrote:
Olsondogg wrote:Personally, Rocky, I like when you compare the results of a coach who has been coaching since 1975 against the coach who's been doing it since 2004.

Outstanding work Rocky.
Well considering Miller has been in major college coaching for 23 years and a head coach since 2004, you would think he would have a little more figured out by now in terms of managing a game within the game.
Does your brain hurt when you try and use it?
Hella generic response.

Holy f*ck are you a tool. You belong on the Scout free board. Shoo.

scumdevils86 · Post by **scumdevils86** » Mon Feb 09, 2015 9:32 pm

Hella? Haha...

Harvey Specter · Post by **Harvey Specter** » Mon Feb 09, 2015 9:33 pm

RockyRaccoon wrote:
Olsondogg wrote:Personally, Rocky, I like when you compare the results of a coach who has been coaching since 1975 against the coach who's been doing it since 2004.

Outstanding work Rocky.
Well considering Miller has been in major college coaching for 23 years and a head coach since 2004, you would think he would have a little more figured out by now in terms of managing a game within the game.

And you are old enough to not be so obtuse or absolute in your assessment. Your inflated view of your perceptive abilities with respect to coaching skill signals your callow perspective. If you don't like the way Miller manages a "game within a game", especially related to TO use, you would have HATED Lute.

If you gathered the 20 foremost authorities in the game of basketball and asked them who the brightest stars in the coaching ranks under the age of 45 are, I would guess Miller would be in everyone's Top 5 and most Top 3. What he has achieved in his short tenure is remarkable by any standard.

But you dismiss it as meaningless... Because he hasn't gotten as far as you want him to. Wah! You must still be young enough to know everything.

John Wooden had coached 16 years in College before making his first Final 4, and was 52 before he won a National title. Should have realized that if he couldn't figure it out by age 50, he wasn't going to.

CBCat · Post by **CBCat** » Mon Feb 09, 2015 10:11 pm

Longhorned wrote:Watching RockyRacoon try to take on Gumby is like watching that drunk jerk hide from security at the aquarium and them jump into the shark tank.

Yes something about all this reminds me of two snotty well to do 40 something Englishmen having a conversation at a pub all snoggered up.

...Streaming far too many British TV shows at the moment

catgrad97 · Post by **catgrad97** » Tue Feb 10, 2015 9:31 am

Can we just move this to the "Help" board so it gets fewer responses.

Holy ****, what a waste of bandwidth.

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