Re: Pathway to the 2016 Pac 12 title
Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2016 10:36 am
Yea we were 3-2 in them before 1998. Since I've been a fan we're 0-5
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Hater, take one for the team and disavow your fanship. I want to be 5-0 for the next 5.ASUHATER! wrote:Yea we were 3-2 in them before 1998. Since I've been a fan we're 0-5
The matchups haven't been lopsided seed wise either. Off the top of my head, it was a #3 vs #5 in 2011 and #1 vs #3 in 2005, and the remainder were single digit difference in seed.Beachcat97 wrote:This is so damn crazy. If that number is even at 3-6, it dramatically changes the perception/status of our program. I'd bet no other program has as dismal a record as ours in E-8s over the past few decades.ASUHATER! wrote: Yep. 1-6 in our last 7 elite 8s.
I think of the day we break through and all the prior losses cease to do anything more than just make that moment sweeter.ASUHATER! wrote:No thanks. I figure the pain is some sort of penance and the reward for sticking through it will be really nice
It's not dismal that we lost in 2005 and 2011. Only dismal in 2005 because we blew a lead. Still, we were the underdog. One seed against three seed. In 2011, it was five seed against three seed (and eventual national champ).Beachcat97 wrote:This is so damn crazy. If that number is even at 3-6, it dramatically changes the perception/status of our program. I'd bet no other program has as dismal a record as ours in E-8s over the past few decades.ASUHATER! wrote: Yep. 1-6 in our last 7 elite 8s.
Ashley stays healthy, we win the 2014 national championship. What can you do to control that sort of bad break?EVCat wrote:I think it is kind of silly to hold the Miller era Wildcats to anything before, as well. Truth is Sean Miller has lost exactly one game to a lower seeded team, and it was as a 1 to a 2 seed after losing a starter to injury for the year. Otherwise, minus one game where a 1 lost to a 2 on a final possession, we have always lived up to our seeding, which is pretty amazing considering we are always a high seed.
2011 was way early. 2014 was the year, but the Ashley injury made us have to cover some offensive deficiencies and lost us flexibility with Gordon. Last year was insane...whatever they shot in the 2nd half from 3, it was ridiculous, especially considering how good we were defending the 3. We lost to a higher seed twice, and lost on a final possession to a 2 seed once.
Just because large parts of the fanbase become mentally ill in their obsession with a certain round of the tournament doesn't mean this program isn't doing exactly what it should, especially considering the crater it crawled out of.
Weren't we undefeated going to Cal? That team was definitely rolling. Pre-Ashley injury, probably the most confident I've felt of any of our teams winning the whole damn thing (there with 98 and 01).rgdeuce wrote:Yep. That team was rollllllling until that happened. They may not have lost another game the rest of the year.
Yep. And even with Ashley down, they barely lost that Cal game, I remember losing close at ASU, and in the conference tourney to Oregon? I just remember we had four losses heading into the NCAA's, cant remember who number 4 was to.pokinmik wrote:Good posts EVcat and Gumby.
Weren't we undefeated going to Cal? That team was definitely rolling. Pre-Ashley injury, probably the most confident I've felt of any of our teams winning the whole damn thing (there with 98 and 01).rgdeuce wrote:Yep. That team was rollllllling until that happened. They may not have lost another game the rest of the year.
Lost to UCLA in the Pac tourney. I thought we only had the 3 losses, but I could be wrong. We were 21-0 when Brandon went down.rgdeuce wrote:Yep. And even with Ashley down, they barely lost that Cal game, I remember losing close at ASU, and in the conference tourney to Oregon? I just remember we had four losses heading into the NCAA's, cant remember who number 4 was to.pokinmik wrote:Good posts EVcat and Gumby.
Weren't we undefeated going to Cal? That team was definitely rolling. Pre-Ashley injury, probably the most confident I've felt of any of our teams winning the whole damn thing (there with 98 and 01).rgdeuce wrote:Yep. That team was rollllllling until that happened. They may not have lost another game the rest of the year.
I was 100% convinced, when we were sitting at 21-0, that we were going to go undefeated. Not only was there no doubt in my mind that we were the best team in the country, but looking at our schedule I knew nobody in the Pac could beat us.Spaceman Spiff wrote:Lost to UCLA in the Pac tourney. I thought we only had the 3 losses, but I could be wrong. We were 21-0 when Brandon went down.rgdeuce wrote:Yep. And even with Ashley down, they barely lost that Cal game, I remember losing close at ASU, and in the conference tourney to Oregon? I just remember we had four losses heading into the NCAA's, cant remember who number 4 was to.pokinmik wrote:Good posts EVcat and Gumby.
Weren't we undefeated going to Cal? That team was definitely rolling. Pre-Ashley injury, probably the most confident I've felt of any of our teams winning the whole damn thing (there with 98 and 01).rgdeuce wrote:Yep. That team was rollllllling until that happened. They may not have lost another game the rest of the year.
Ohhhhhhhh, my bad! Apologies, love UA Women's softball the most.....Good call Merkin, thanks!Merkin wrote:The UA women's basketball team is jealous about not having any banners.Bangkok Wildcat wrote:I can't believe there is Women's Basketball! Talk about one of the most boring and non-feminine sports imaginable! Huge fan of women's soccer, tennis and swimming thoughPuerco wrote:
Thanks, Jefe. I can't believe they hang a banner for tourney appearances.
But no softball BW?
Actually there is no such thing as co-champs. The PAC12 rules state that the PAC12 tournament champion is the PAC 12 Champion:gumby wrote:A tie for first means co-champs. Seeding doesn't change that. Had the Cats 8-4 at this point, beating Oregon and losing to UW. Had them finishing 13-5. Still doable.
That's the President's Athletic Conference. I can't find the Pac 12 rules, but the radio pre-game has said that co-champs is possible, and I'm pretty sure the regular season champion is considered the true champion.dmjcat wrote:Actually there is no such thing as co-champs. The PAC12 rules state that the PAC12 tournament champion is the PAC 12 Champion:gumby wrote:A tie for first means co-champs. Seeding doesn't change that. Had the Cats 8-4 at this point, beating Oregon and losing to UW. Had them finishing 13-5. Still doable.
http://www.pacathletics.org/sports/2012 ... aspx?id=29&" target="_blank
2. "The conference champion will be decided at a conference tournament. A double round-robin regular season schedule will determine tournament seeding"
You are correct.......I googled PAC12 and didn't read the fine printAZCatGirl wrote:That's the President's Athletic Conference. I can't find the Pac 12 rules, but the radio pre-game has said that co-champs is possible, and I'm pretty sure the regular season champion is considered the true champion.dmjcat wrote:Actually there is no such thing as co-champs. The PAC12 rules state that the PAC12 tournament champion is the PAC 12 Champion:gumby wrote:A tie for first means co-champs. Seeding doesn't change that. Had the Cats 8-4 at this point, beating Oregon and losing to UW. Had them finishing 13-5. Still doable.
http://www.pacathletics.org/sports/2012 ... aspx?id=29&" target="_blank
2. "The conference champion will be decided at a conference tournament. A double round-robin regular season schedule will determine tournament seeding"
Na. UCLA will lay a big fat turd u watchBeachcat97 wrote:Sorta think OR is gonna lose two games in L.A.
They've played better at home all season, and OR just showed everyone that they're a vulnerable road team. OR is not leaving L.A. with two wins. No way.rgdeuce wrote:Na. UCLA will lay a big fat turd u watchBeachcat97 wrote:Sorta think OR is gonna lose two games in L.A.
Well, even if it's a split, that could help us win the reg season title, which I thought was looking unlikely a few weeks ago.rgdeuce wrote:U said they gonna lose two in LA tho. Im sayin theyll split
Not to most people. And why the "" on title? One is a conference title and one is a three game just for funsies tournament title.MrBug708 wrote:The longer the tournament goes on will lessen the importance of the regular season "title". Plus it seems like the best team rarely wins the tournament
Said the guy whose team is not (nor will be for the foreseeable future) anywhere near winning this title.MrBug708 wrote:The longer the tournament goes on will lessen the importance of the regular season "title". Plus it seems like the best team rarely wins the tournament
I'm fine with the tourney champ getting a bid, but it still means far less than the reg season title.Puerco wrote:Automatic tourney berth still goes to the conferece tourney champ, doesn't it? Ridiculous if so.
I actually like it in some years, don't in others.Puerco wrote:Automatic tourney berth still goes to the conferece tourney champ, doesn't it? Ridiculous if so.
That's fine. I care a ton about the regular season title so getting at least a piece of it out of this topsy turvy season would make me feel fantastic.Spaceman Spiff wrote:I care about continuing the process. Pac 12 titles are nice, but we know who runs the conference.
Lavin > AlfordMerkin wrote:In Lavin's last year I was hoping UCLA would win the tourney to get the automatic bid since everyone knew he was getting fired. I think Lute did wanted UCLA to win too, since he hated the tourney anyway and wanted an early exit.
I was actually feeling down for what that opportunity did for our chances against USC, but then I remembered that this ain't football.SCCats wrote:What a huge gift from Oregon over the weekend.
If we take advantage tonight we're in a great spot to get at least a piece.
The door has been opened for us to win the title. I don't think we'll win the rest of our reg season games, though. Think we drop one to Utah or Colorado. We're winning today.Longhorned wrote:I was actually feeling down for what that opportunity did for our chances against USC, but then I remembered that this ain't football.SCCats wrote:What a huge gift from Oregon over the weekend.
If we take advantage tonight we're in a great spot to get at least a piece.
I felt the same. When Ashley got hurt I proceeded to get black out drunk and kicked out of a bar for dancing in a bar stool. I did not take the loss well.dcZONAfan wrote:I was 100% convinced, when we were sitting at 21-0, that we were going to go undefeated. Not only was there no doubt in my mind that we were the best team in the country, but looking at our schedule I knew nobody in the Pac could beat us.Spaceman Spiff wrote:Lost to UCLA in the Pac tourney. I thought we only had the 3 losses, but I could be wrong. We were 21-0 when Brandon went down.rgdeuce wrote:Yep. And even with Ashley down, they barely lost that Cal game, I remember losing close at ASU, and in the conference tourney to Oregon? I just remember we had four losses heading into the NCAA's, cant remember who number 4 was to.pokinmik wrote:Good posts EVcat and Gumby.
Weren't we undefeated going to Cal? That team was definitely rolling. Pre-Ashley injury, probably the most confident I've felt of any of our teams winning the whole damn thing (there with 98 and 01).rgdeuce wrote:Yep. That team was rollllllling until that happened. They may not have lost another game the rest of the year.
Then Ashley goes down and here we are....
So do you think the #1 team in the final regular season poll is the 'real' national champion... As opposed to the winner of a six and just for funnies tournament title?ASUHATER! wrote:Not to most people. And why the "" on title? One is a conference title and one is a three game just for funsies tournament title.MrBug708 wrote:The longer the tournament goes on will lessen the importance of the regular season "title". Plus it seems like the best team rarely wins the tournament
This fact does not bode well for the Pac in the tourney. Historically, road record has been a reliable indicator of tourney success.rgdeuce wrote:. I think its amazing we are the only team in the conference w a winning conference road record.