let's talk '19

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Tue Jun 05, 2018 5:04 am

Spaceman Spiff wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:
Jefe wrote:247 has us leading for Mannion
Brandon and Nico in back to back classes would be so awesome.
Especially if BW isn't one and done. I'm amazed at Sean's resilience on the recruiting trail. If the '18 class is his low point, we're in terrific shape. Just trying to think big picture here. I've been praising Oregon/Altman in the other thread, which is I think is merited, but Sean has already shown that when the wind is in his sails in Tucson, he's consistently producing a top 10 team.

Excited for the future.
I really doubt Brandon has any shot at one and done. Guards his size very rarely have that potential. You have to produce like Sexton, Young or Fox to be able to make the leap.

Then you have guys like Brunson. If I was Brandon, that's the goal. He can be that sort of 2-3 year guy who develops into the sort of guy who might not be a star in the NBA but is a constant bench asset and has a 10 year career.

I mean ultimately Sexton, Young, and Fox had the opportunity via volume to produce like that. I honestly have no clue what this Arizona team will look like next year and if Williams would even have the volume opportunity to put up the numbers those guys did. I don't think there's a world where he comes close to Trae Young's volume, but I think De'Aaron Fox's volume isn't out of the realm of possibility (12 shots and 6 Free throw attempts per game), but I agree that Brunson's frosh year or similar to it should be the goal.

HiCat · Post by **HiCat** » Tue Jun 05, 2018 7:54 am

hmmmm

He is the No. 23 player in the 2020 class, but he is expected to reclassify to 2019, meaning he would begin his college career in 2019-20.

Mannion is currently training with the Italian men’s national team and hopes to play in the 2020 Olympics.

https://www.azdesertswarm.com/basketbal ... recruiting" target="_blank

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Tue Jun 05, 2018 9:02 am

Everything I’ve read about Nico assumes he’s going to reclassify to ‘19.

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Tue Jun 05, 2018 4:51 pm

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Tue Jun 05, 2018 5:16 pm

Texas. We haven't had much luck getting hoops players out of there lately.

YoDeFoe · Post by **YoDeFoe** » Tue Jun 05, 2018 6:01 pm

Gainey already working. Good to see.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Tue Jun 05, 2018 6:47 pm

https://twitter.com/teamloadednc/status ... 62018?s=19" target="_blank

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Tue Jun 05, 2018 6:59 pm

ChooChooCat wrote:https://twitter.com/teamloadednc/status ... 62018?s=19

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Tue Jun 05, 2018 7:59 pm

There's another offer too, but linking tweets on mobile sucks for me.

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Tue Jun 05, 2018 8:02 pm

ChooChooCat wrote:There's another offer too, but linking tweets on mobile sucks for me.

Just delete everything from the ? on then wrap in the tweet code.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Wed Jun 06, 2018 5:11 am

azgreg wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:There's another offer too, but linking tweets on mobile sucks for me.
Just delete everything from the ? on then wrap in the tweet code.

Thanks for the tip.

Gainey really trying to utilize his North Carolina connections.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Wed Jun 06, 2018 1:11 pm

There seems to be a bit of a shift to 50-100 guys vs what recruiting was prior to the FBI scandal. Both Withers and Williams are in that ranking level.

If we can get, retain and develop kids in that area, it may not be immediate dividends, but an experienced core down the line would be nice.

goslingswagg · Post by **goslingswagg** » Wed Jun 06, 2018 1:47 pm

Spaceman Spiff wrote:There seems to be a bit of a shift to 50-100 guys vs what recruiting was prior to the FBI scandal. Both Withers and Williams are in that ranking level.

If we can get, retain and develop kids in that area, it may not be immediate dividends, but an experienced core down the line would be nice.

I wouldn't be surprised if, in addition to a philosophy change in order to retain more talent/have more experienced teams ala Villanova, this may be due to the ending of the one-and-done rule. It's a risky time investment to go after top 20 talent going forward when the one-and-done seems to be coming to an end shortly.

Very interested to see the types of offers being put out there - a ton of athletic and long wings, which I'm all for. I'm also interested to see how Gainey and Peters do in their first recruiting class.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Wed Jun 06, 2018 2:26 pm

Spaceman Spiff wrote:There seems to be a bit of a shift to 50-100 guys vs what recruiting was prior to the FBI scandal. Both Withers and Williams are in that ranking level.

If we can get, retain and develop kids in that area, it may not be immediate dividends, but an experienced core down the line would be nice.

This 2019 class will likely be the last of the one and done. It would make sense to recruit a core that'll be more experienced in 2020 where Kentucky, Duke, Kansas will have to rebuild and cant land usual one and dones. We'd be a step ahead.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Wed Jun 06, 2018 2:54 pm

Spaceman Spiff wrote:There seems to be a bit of a shift to 50-100 guys vs what recruiting was prior to the FBI scandal. Both Withers and Williams are in that ranking level.

If we can get, retain and develop kids in that area, it may not be immediate dividends, but an experienced core down the line would be nice.

I actually think a core of 3-4 year players ranked 50-100 is Sean Miller's recipe for a FF/national title.

Jefe · Post by **Jefe** » Wed Jun 06, 2018 3:00 pm

19 offers already, warm on 6 of them. Rankings are 17, 28, 45, 64 147, and 165. Also offered 1, 5, 7, 9, 10, 18, 26, 58, 77,106, 107, and 187

https://247sports.com/college/arizona/S ... all/Offers" target="_blank

Had not heard of #1 Wiseman. This kid is going to dominate

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Wed Jun 06, 2018 3:20 pm

ChooChooCat wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:There seems to be a bit of a shift to 50-100 guys vs what recruiting was prior to the FBI scandal. Both Withers and Williams are in that ranking level.

If we can get, retain and develop kids in that area, it may not be immediate dividends, but an experienced core down the line would be nice.
This 2019 class will likely be the last of the one and done. It would make sense to recruit a core that'll be more experienced in 2020 where Kentucky, Duke, Kansas will have to rebuild and cant land usual one and dones. We'd be a step ahead.

It also (hopefully) speaks to Miller's long term intent here. Create a core that will pay off later.

I love the idea, even if OAD continues, of 10 long term players with 2-3 superstuds sprinkled in. That is a great roster composition.

enfuego · Post by **enfuego** » Wed Jun 06, 2018 7:56 pm

Spaceman Spiff wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:There seems to be a bit of a shift to 50-100 guys vs what recruiting was prior to the FBI scandal. Both Withers and Williams are in that ranking level.

If we can get, retain and develop kids in that area, it may not be immediate dividends, but an experienced core down the line would be nice.
This 2019 class will likely be the last of the one and done. It would make sense to recruit a core that'll be more experienced in 2020 where Kentucky, Duke, Kansas will have to rebuild and cant land usual one and dones. We'd be a step ahead.
It also (hopefully) speaks to Miller's long term intent here. Create a core that will pay off later.

I love the idea, even if OAD continues, of 10 long term players with 2-3 superstuds sprinkled in. That is a great roster composition.

It became his long term intent when his recruiting class which contradicts this "long term intent" bailed on him because of the cheating scandal.

ASUHATER! · Post by **ASUHATER!** » Wed Jun 06, 2018 8:05 pm

enfuego wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:There seems to be a bit of a shift to 50-100 guys vs what recruiting was prior to the FBI scandal. Both Withers and Williams are in that ranking level.

If we can get, retain and develop kids in that area, it may not be immediate dividends, but an experienced core down the line would be nice.
This 2019 class will likely be the last of the one and done. It would make sense to recruit a core that'll be more experienced in 2020 where Kentucky, Duke, Kansas will have to rebuild and cant land usual one and dones. We'd be a step ahead.
It also (hopefully) speaks to Miller's long term intent here. Create a core that will pay off later.

I love the idea, even if OAD continues, of 10 long term players with 2-3 superstuds sprinkled in. That is a great roster composition.
It became his long term intent when his recruiting class which contradicts this "long term intent" bailed on him because of the cheating scandal.

You mean the one Kansas is involved in?

enfuego · Post by **enfuego** » Wed Jun 06, 2018 8:23 pm

ASUHATER! wrote:
enfuego wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:There seems to be a bit of a shift to 50-100 guys vs what recruiting was prior to the FBI scandal. Both Withers and Williams are in that ranking level.

If we can get, retain and develop kids in that area, it may not be immediate dividends, but an experienced core down the line would be nice.
This 2019 class will likely be the last of the one and done. It would make sense to recruit a core that'll be more experienced in 2020 where Kentucky, Duke, Kansas will have to rebuild and cant land usual one and dones. We'd be a step ahead.
It also (hopefully) speaks to Miller's long term intent here. Create a core that will pay off later.

I love the idea, even if OAD continues, of 10 long term players with 2-3 superstuds sprinkled in. That is a great roster composition.
It became his long term intent when his recruiting class which contradicts this "long term intent" bailed on him because of the cheating scandal.
You mean the one Kansas is involved in?

No one on our coaching staff was caught cheating. According to the FBI, Kansas is a victim. Their words, not mine.

ASUHATER! · Post by **ASUHATER!** » Wed Jun 06, 2018 8:27 pm

Arizona was one of the victims as well. I know you know Self and KU cheat as much or more than anyone.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Thu Jun 07, 2018 8:43 am

enfuego wrote:
ASUHATER! wrote:
enfuego wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote: This 2019 class will likely be the last of the one and done. It would make sense to recruit a core that'll be more experienced in 2020 where Kentucky, Duke, Kansas will have to rebuild and cant land usual one and dones. We'd be a step ahead.
It also (hopefully) speaks to Miller's long term intent here. Create a core that will pay off later.

I love the idea, even if OAD continues, of 10 long term players with 2-3 superstuds sprinkled in. That is a great roster composition.
It became his long term intent when his recruiting class which contradicts this "long term intent" bailed on him because of the cheating scandal.
You mean the one Kansas is involved in?
No one on our coaching staff was caught cheating. According to the FBI, Kansas is a victim. Their words, not mine.

Arizona was also a named victim. Nice way of avoiding that Jackson was clearly paid, De Souza was too and Billy Preston's eligibility still doesn't exist.

I'm sure Kansas is just the victim of Adidas paying players to attend Kansas. Mean old Adidas.

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Thu Jun 07, 2018 8:45 am

dmjcat · Post by **dmjcat** » Fri Jun 08, 2018 1:16 pm

AZ in top 5 for 2019 PF Jeremiah Earl..............KU and UNC lead

http://www2.kusports.com/weblogs/tale-t ... he-rest-f/" target="_blank

dmjcat · Post by **dmjcat** » Mon Jun 11, 2018 1:33 pm

AZ hosting Fresno State transfer:

https://www.azdesertswarm.com/basketbal ... s-eligible" target="_blank

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Tue Jun 12, 2018 8:38 pm

Josh Green taking an unofficial here tomorrow.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Tue Jun 12, 2018 8:51 pm

ChooChooCat wrote:Josh Green taking an unofficial here tomorrow.

Green and Mannion would be a nice start...

HiCat · Post by **HiCat** » Wed Jun 13, 2018 4:16 am

Spaceman Spiff wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:Josh Green taking an unofficial here tomorrow.
Green and Mannion would be a nice start...

Green has received interest from several powerhouse schools, but he told 247Sports’ Evan Daniels recently that Arizona, Kansas, UCLA, and Virginia are prioritizing him the most.

Green has visited Arizona at least three times before. He took unofficial visits to the UA in October, June, and February of 2017, per 247Sports.

Green plays on the same club team, Earl Watson Elite, as UA target Nico Mannion.

https://www.azdesertswarm.com/basketbal ... rs-commits" target="_blank

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Fri Jun 15, 2018 3:11 pm

Just relative to our future recruiting:

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/2380 ... y-shift-21" target="_blank

The NBA on Friday sent teams a memo indicating that "eligibility rules" for the draft may shift as early as 2021 (but no earlier) as the league reviews issues "related to player development and the corruption investigation in college basketball," according to a copy of the memo obtained by ESPN.

The "no earlier" part was of most interest to me.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Fri Jun 15, 2018 4:56 pm

If that's the case there's a lot of west coast one and dones we're in good position for in 2020.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Fri Jun 15, 2018 8:13 pm

ChooChooCat wrote:If that's the case there's a lot of west coast one and dones we're in good position for in 2020.

That's what interested me. I remember you talking Green in 2019.

A few developmental prospects blooming and some high level talents...

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 9:12 am

Spaceman Spiff wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:If that's the case there's a lot of west coast one and dones we're in good position for in 2020.
That's what interested me. I remember you talking Green in 2019.

A few developmental prospects blooming and some high level talents...

Yeah Jalen Green and Julian Strawther are the two to look out for. Not saying we land them, but we're in a good spot. Green was adamant about going straight to the pros if he had the chance, but he wont complain about playing a year in college since it looks like he'll have to.

YoDeFoe · Post by **YoDeFoe** » Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:49 am

Ira Lee playing in the Drew League this summer here in SoCal. Good opportunity for him to get the ball in his hands against quality competition.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:02 am

YoDeFoe wrote:Ira Lee playing in the Drew League this summer here in SoCal. Good opportunity for him to get the ball in his hands against quality competition.

I like Ira. He plays hard and had bounce. He needs to learn how to play at this level and not get confused. If he can do that, he can be a really, really rich man's Keanu Pinder.

The more playing experience, especially against high level guys, he gets, the better he can be.

YoDeFoe · Post by **YoDeFoe** » Mon Jun 18, 2018 11:02 am

Spaceman Spiff wrote:
YoDeFoe wrote:Ira Lee playing in the Drew League this summer here in SoCal. Good opportunity for him to get the ball in his hands against quality competition.
I like Ira. He plays hard and had bounce. He needs to learn how to play at this level and not get confused. If he can do that, he can be a really, really rich man's Keanu Pinder.

The more playing experience, especially against high level guys, he gets, the better he can be.

100%

Less confusion. In action: Looking for him to make a move or move the ball quickly. Has a tendency to hold the ball. He likes to make a couple of moves to get himself into position in the post... need him to balance that with more intelligent passing. Knowing when to do the one and when to do the other, and doing it reflexively, is the holy grail for him on offense.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Mon Jun 18, 2018 12:14 pm

YoDeFoe wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:
YoDeFoe wrote:Ira Lee playing in the Drew League this summer here in SoCal. Good opportunity for him to get the ball in his hands against quality competition.
I like Ira. He plays hard and had bounce. He needs to learn how to play at this level and not get confused. If he can do that, he can be a really, really rich man's Keanu Pinder.

The more playing experience, especially against high level guys, he gets, the better he can be.
100%

Less confusion. In action: Looking for him to make a move or move the ball quickly. Has a tendency to hold the ball. He likes to make a couple of moves to get himself into position in the post... need him to balance that with more intelligent passing. Knowing when to do the one and when to do the other, and doing it reflexively, is the holy grail for him on offense.

More on D for me, frankly. He got lost and would get pinned when he shouldn't.

Offensively, he can hold the ball as long as he doesn't turn it over. That's my thing. It would be nice if he improved there, but D is where he can really give us a lot, IMO.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Mon Jun 18, 2018 8:16 pm

ChooChooCat wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:If that's the case there's a lot of west coast one and dones we're in good position for in 2020.
That's what interested me. I remember you talking Green in 2019.

A few developmental prospects blooming and some high level talents...
Yeah Jalen Green and Julian Strawther are the two to look out for. Not saying we land them, but we're in a good spot. Green was adamant about going straight to the pros if he had the chance, but he wont complain about playing a year in college since it looks like he'll have to.

If Green has to spend a year in college, his talent blows me away.

rgdeuce · Post by **rgdeuce** » Tue Jun 19, 2018 8:06 am

Spaceman Spiff wrote:
YoDeFoe wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:
YoDeFoe wrote:Ira Lee playing in the Drew League this summer here in SoCal. Good opportunity for him to get the ball in his hands against quality competition.
I like Ira. He plays hard and had bounce. He needs to learn how to play at this level and not get confused. If he can do that, he can be a really, really rich man's Keanu Pinder.

The more playing experience, especially against high level guys, he gets, the better he can be.
100%

Less confusion. In action: Looking for him to make a move or move the ball quickly. Has a tendency to hold the ball. He likes to make a couple of moves to get himself into position in the post... need him to balance that with more intelligent passing. Knowing when to do the one and when to do the other, and doing it reflexively, is the holy grail for him on offense.
More on D for me, frankly. He got lost and would get pinned when he shouldn't.

Offensively, he can hold the ball as long as he doesn't turn it over. That's my thing. It would be nice if he improved there, but D is where he can really give us a lot, IMO.

Yep. Ira can be an elite defender for us down the road once he figures things out.

YoDeFoe · Post by **YoDeFoe** » Mon Jun 25, 2018 9:46 am

Apparently, Ira damn near dropped a triple double in the Drew League this past weekend.

EOCT · Post by **EOCT** » Mon Jun 25, 2018 10:53 am

I...ra, I....ra, I...ra! Showin' in the Drew!

Yeah, statement play.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Mon Jun 25, 2018 12:03 pm

The time is there is Ira is ready. We could really use a third solid big guy alongside Jeter and Luther.

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Wed Jun 27, 2018 3:59 pm

YoDeFoe · Post by **YoDeFoe** » Fri Jun 29, 2018 12:55 pm

I think that means we're officially in the '18-19 season y'all.

EVCat · Post by **EVCat** » Tue Jul 03, 2018 2:29 pm

I think he should go by I-R-A

As in...check him, and he might retire you.

(It is bad. I know. Any other bad suggestions related to I, R, and A? Hopefully he recognizes the penalty of an early withdrawal? Shit...I am grasping here)

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Tue Jul 03, 2018 2:37 pm

EVCat wrote:I think he should go by I-R-A

As in...check him, and he might retire you.

(It is bad. I know. Any other bad suggestions related to I, R, and A? Hopefully he recognizes the penalty of an early withdrawal? Shit...I am grasping here)

Check him, he might blow you up.

Sorry, I was thinking of the other IRA.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Tue Jul 03, 2018 5:06 pm

EVCat wrote:I think he should go by I-R-A

As in...check him, and he might retire you.

(It is bad. I know. Any other bad suggestions related to I, R, and A? Hopefully he recognizes the penalty of an early withdrawal? Shit...I am grasping here)

You don't need to pay 401k for a player when you have Ira.

dovecanyoncat · Post by **dovecanyoncat** » Wed Jul 04, 2018 5:42 pm

Would our IRA have to run the point in order to give Required Minimum Distributions?

ASUHATER! · Post by **ASUHATER!** » Wed Jul 04, 2018 5:49 pm

Not until he's 70 1/2

dovecanyoncat · Post by **dovecanyoncat** » Thu Jul 05, 2018 12:58 pm

If he hits the court with 70.5 on his uni instead of 11 then we're in the money.

U.P. Zona Fan · Post by **U.P. Zona Fan** » Thu Jul 05, 2018 1:56 pm

Until the globalist bankers, federal reserve, and the bilederberg group decide it's time to engineer another global market crisis and we all lose all of money we've been putting into these gov't sanctioned retirement funds. Gov't sanctioned because we don't really own them and they are easily plundered.

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