Re: 2017-2018 Arizona Basketball
Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2017 7:18 pm
so arizona/miller have some kind of quarterfinals curse right?
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dcZONAfan wrote:Parker isn't even close to the problem. Has played great this yearluteformayor2 wrote:PJC is too small and not good enough to lead this team. Run Trier at Point and make this thing happen.
Alas, SM will of course be too stubborn and we will fail to make it past week 2 again.
I fear we are watching history repeat itself. This is embarrassing.
is that mostly because arizona (ristic) can't defend the pick and roll/paintMerkin wrote:dcZONAfan wrote:Parker isn't even close to the problem. Has played great this yearluteformayor2 wrote:PJC is too small and not good enough to lead this team. Run Trier at Point and make this thing happen.
Alas, SM will of course be too stubborn and we will fail to make it past week 2 again.
I fear we are watching history repeat itself. This is embarrassing.
Slow white boy freshman PG Beverly scored 20 points and was 3-5 from 3 pt range. Bet that it his best game of the season.
Great, look at the box score and blame that on Parker. It helps me ignore you.Merkin wrote:dcZONAfan wrote:Parker isn't even close to the problem. Has played great this yearluteformayor2 wrote:PJC is too small and not good enough to lead this team. Run Trier at Point and make this thing happen.
Alas, SM will of course be too stubborn and we will fail to make it past week 2 again.
I fear we are watching history repeat itself. This is embarrassing.
Slow white boy freshman PG Beverly scored 20 points and was 3-5 from 3 pt range. Bet that it his best game of the season.
They dumb, broMain Event wrote:Why are people blaming PJC? Dude played fine
It's disappointing for sure but it is 1 game. We will learn and get betterdcZONAfan wrote:The overreacting to a bad game always cracks me up. Our defense is terrible, no doubt. Who bets it will stay that way all season, especially once Rawle returns in a couple weeks?
The offense namely in the second half was far from 100 percent fine. We ran an entire motion offense with zero motion and zero ball movement. The offense was Trier hero ball or throw the ball into Ayton and let him do something. It was Xavier redux and is not going to cut it. This team has many issues to fix if we want to break through.PHXCATS wrote:The offense is 100 percent fine. The D should come along but it was a massive failure tonight.
No more tv this week!
What happened in a few hours? Every one was saying final four.ChooChooCat wrote:The offense namely in the second half was far from 100 percent fine. We ran an entire motion offense with zero motion and zero ball movement. The offense was Trier hero ball or throw the ball into Ayton and let him do something. It was Xavier redux and is not going to cut it. This team has many issues to fix if we want to break through.PHXCATS wrote:The offense is 100 percent fine. The D should come along but it was a massive failure tonight.
No more tv this week!
don't remember rawle being particularly good on defensedcZONAfan wrote:The overreacting to a bad game always cracks me up. Our defense is terrible, no doubt. Who bets it will stay that way all season, especially once Rawle returns in a couple weeks?
This.ASUHATER! wrote:Our bench scored 6 points and our offense is reliant on 2 guys. It's not perfect.
Fire Miller?ChooChooCat wrote:If I see Miller throw out a lineup of PJC, Barcello, Trier, Pinder, and Ayton in crunch time again at any other point of this season I may lose my damn mind.
He's got horses for days on this team. Obviously the defense is an issue, with some of these guys (Ristic) there are physical limitations that prevent them from ever playing good quality packline defense, in other guys it's an effort issue and in others it's just getting used to the packline defense or actually playing defense all together. At this point Miller has 11 guys (once Rawle is back) and he needs to cut that down to at least 9. There's some lineup issues that are beyond obvious I.E. Ristic and Ayton starting along side one another just isn't going to work. I know there's loyalty with Ristic for coming back and yada yada yada, but this is Miller's season to not dick around. He needs to win as tomorrow for this program won't be good enough for probably a few years. Another issue is the wing rotation. Akot and Randolph are just more talented than Dylan Smith, let's stop bullshitting and let those kids play more, play through mistakes, and do what they do well. Both are too good offensively (Akot as a playmaker, Randolph as a shooter) for either to sit on the pine for Smith. To sit either of those guys down in favor of Barcello (I love the kid, but he's not there, and quite frankly should only be playing when PJC is on the bench) and especially Pinder just kills your offense and even arguably your defense, especially against a team that only has one real big on its roster.PHXCATS wrote:Fire Miller?ChooChooCat wrote:If I see Miller throw out a lineup of PJC, Barcello, Trier, Pinder, and Ayton in crunch time again at any other point of this season I may lose my damn mind.
Yes, but also play the damn talent, and play the lineups that will play the best together on both ends on the court I.E. not Ayton and Ristic out there together.Spaceman Spiff wrote:Per Choo's post about cutting the rotation.
I think the message is simple. Want to play when we cut? Earn it on D. Defense is the condition to make the rotation.
I don't necessarily mind making the younger players earn it by learning D. You want to accelerate a kid's learning curve, make it clear the only thing preventing him from getting Dusan or Smith's minutes is his learning defensive rotations.ChooChooCat wrote:Yes, but also play the damn talent, and play the lineups that will play the best together on both ends on the court I.E. not Ayton and Ristic out there together.Spaceman Spiff wrote:Per Choo's post about cutting the rotation.
I think the message is simple. Want to play when we cut? Earn it on D. Defense is the condition to make the rotation.
Plain and simple if Arizona wants to win when it matters this needs to be the lineup with the most playing time overall and together:
PJC
Trier
Rawle
Akot
Ayton
We love you Dusan, but god dammit you have a role you're best suited to play and it's not alongside Ayton, but backing him up.
What player under Sean Miller has ever averaged 34mpg?azcat49 wrote:So Ristic as a scoring Sr would get 6 minutes a game. That won't happen
I'm of the opinion you accelerate a kid's learning curve by letting him play and work through mistakes personally.Spaceman Spiff wrote:I don't necessarily mind making the younger players earn it by learning D. You want to accelerate a kid's learning curve, make it clear the only thing preventing him from getting Dusan or Smith's minutes is his learning defensive rotations.ChooChooCat wrote:Yes, but also play the damn talent, and play the lineups that will play the best together on both ends on the court I.E. not Ayton and Ristic out there together.Spaceman Spiff wrote:Per Choo's post about cutting the rotation.
I think the message is simple. Want to play when we cut? Earn it on D. Defense is the condition to make the rotation.
Plain and simple if Arizona wants to win when it matters this needs to be the lineup with the most playing time overall and together:
PJC
Trier
Rawle
Akot
Ayton
We love you Dusan, but god dammit you have a role you're best suited to play and it's not alongside Ayton, but backing him up.
I'm sure Miller would love to play long and athletic but no one stepped last night when they had the opportunity.RondaeShimmy wrote:a ball handler, three wings and a post man is how miller teams should be all the time, time to get with the times
long athletic wings thrive in this system
what I said went beyond last nightFrybry02 wrote:I'm sure Miller would love to play long and athletic but no one stepped last night when they had the opportunity.RondaeShimmy wrote:a ball handler, three wings and a post man is how miller teams should be all the time, time to get with the times
long athletic wings thrive in this system
PJCRondaeShimmy wrote:a ball handler, three wings and a post man is how miller teams should be all the time, time to get with the times
long athletic wings thrive in this system
Or weren't given the opportunity at all for whatever reason (Akot).Frybry02 wrote:I'm sure Miller would love to play long and athletic but no one stepped last night when they had the opportunity.RondaeShimmy wrote:a ball handler, three wings and a post man is how miller teams should be all the time, time to get with the times
long athletic wings thrive in this system
A 7 footer who finishes well and has had the luxury of sharing the floor with two of the top 5-10 players in the country against weaker competition has a high PER?KaibabKat wrote:PER's thru 4 games for Arizona players:
36.6 Allonzo Trier
35.3 Deandre Ayton
31.8 Dusan Ristic
18.4 Parker Jackson-Cartwright
17.5 Keanu Pinder
15.5 Alex Barcello
15.1 Tyler Trillo
14.9 Jake DesJardins
13.1 Ira Lee
9.8 Emmanuel Akot
7.6 Dylan Smith
5.1 Brandon Randolph
-18.3 Talbot Denny
as long as we dont have the twin towers playing post together, we should be goodBeachcat97 wrote:PJCRondaeShimmy wrote:a ball handler, three wings and a post man is how miller teams should be all the time, time to get with the times
long athletic wings thrive in this system
RA
AT
EA/BR
DA
Or
AT
RA
EA
BR
DA
Hard to really know what we have until Rawle is back. He’s going to be getting at least 25mpg by March.
ChooChooCat wrote:This.ASUHATER! wrote:Our bench scored 6 points and our offense is reliant on 2 guys. It's not perfect.
The offense we saw tonight is not the offense we displayed in our first 3 games. Ball movement matters. We had little to none of it in the 2nd half of a close game. That's a problem and one that looks all too familiar to our last loss prior to this.
I am not a Ristic fan. His limitations drive me absolutely nuts. At the same time, someone on this team needs to beat him out. Until then, Miller seems like a coach that will always default to size. Your lineup is something I would love to see or Lee at 4.RondaeShimmy wrote:what I said went beyond last nightFrybry02 wrote:I'm sure Miller would love to play long and athletic but no one stepped last night when they had the opportunity.RondaeShimmy wrote:a ball handler, three wings and a post man is how miller teams should be all the time, time to get with the times
long athletic wings thrive in this system
im saying that miller should adjust his recruiting strategy to tailor to the systems needs. that means stop trying to get two seven footers playing the post together. maybe even stop loading up the roster with five stars instead of going after 3-4 guys, because the packline is hard to master with this amount of roster turnover
2-3 ball handlers on the roster, 2 bigs who are defense oriented and the rest a bunch of 6'5-6-8 long athletes that can play different spots
pjc
trier
alkins
akot
ayton
is the perfect blueprint for this, playing to the teams strengths
HiCat wrote:ChooChooCat wrote:This.ASUHATER! wrote:Our bench scored 6 points and our offense is reliant on 2 guys. It's not perfect.
The offense we saw tonight is not the offense we displayed in our first 3 games. Ball movement matters. We had little to none of it in the 2nd half of a close game. That's a problem and one that looks all too familiar to our last loss prior to this.
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It'll be good enough to win a bunch of games this year and reach the elite 8. If we can get beyond that point depends on how well the young guys come along and whether we get someone who can (and will) torch teams from deep when we need it.ChooChooCat wrote: I don't know if Miller sacrificed this team to the basketball karma god's on purpose yesterday or not, but lord knows his rotations were frustrating and he did nothing and I mean NOTHING to combat what NC State was doing at any point. He stuck with the do what we do the entire game and it wasn't good enough, especially defensively and certainly in actual ball movement offensively. What we saw was last night was Xavier redux, from the awful offense that we ended the game with right down to the awful defense with no Kadeem Allen to at least keep the other team honest.
at least give him teh ball when he is in too, Dusan only had 5 shots last night and made 4 of them.Dosia wrote:Ristic should only get 5mpg while Ayton is catching his breath.
I would give Pinder token starter minutes. Still have him play about 12 MPG but is the starter.Beachcat97 wrote:PJCRondaeShimmy wrote:a ball handler, three wings and a post man is how miller teams should be all the time, time to get with the times
long athletic wings thrive in this system
RA
AT
EA/BR
DA
Or
AT
RA
EA
BR
DA
Hard to really know what we have until Rawle is back. He’s going to be getting at least 25mpg by March.