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Actually, we beat them 2 out of 3 times, and overall we did better in games against top competition. So yeah, we did have a better season than those ass clowns.
Feels like there's a LOT being made of ucla winning the reg season Pac title, which Arizona has done not once, not twice, not thrice...but six times since 2011. The Pac reg season title is often discredited as a less significant achievement, but when ucla does it, it's somehow worthy of a parade down Wilshire. Either the reg season title matters or it doesn't.CardiacCats97 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 7:57 pm I think our seasons were relatively equal. They won the league by a good number of games but we won the season series. We won the PAC tourney but they were the obviously tougher team in the big dance. Call it a wash and we’ll win it outright next year.
Of course the regular season title matters. And it definitely matters more than the conference tourney. Winning 18 games and being better than every other team by at least 4 wins is a much more impressive accomplishment than winning 3 games in a row.Beachcat97 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 8:20 pmFeels like there's a LOT being made of ucla winning the reg season Pac title, which Arizona has done not once, not twice, not thrice...but six times since 2011. The Pac reg season title is often discredited as a less significant achievement, but when ucla does it, it's somehow worthy of a parade down Wilshire. Either the reg season title matters or it doesn't.CardiacCats97 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 7:57 pm I think our seasons were relatively equal. They won the league by a good number of games but we won the season series. We won the PAC tourney but they were the obviously tougher team in the big dance. Call it a wash and we’ll win it outright next year.
Anyway, f ucla. And f their graceless, irascible coach. Glad to see them lose to a better program. Again.
Oh, and good luck, Kerr Kriisa! I hope you find what you're looking for, young man!
We also won the Maui Invitational, went undefeated in OOC games (reg season) and again, beat McPhallus Cronin 2 out of 3. I’ll take our season over theirs, but I understand the counter argument.azcat49 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 25, 2023 5:17 am Winning the 20 game conference season is so much better than the three game tournament.
There is no way you could measure a regular season conference championship plus a 16 bud vs a 3 game tourney and a first round flame out as better than former. That is just crazy talk
The tournament is not the end all be all. I feel bad for the people who think that and for the players
Merk, “by far”? Really?
Beachcat97 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 25, 2023 11:25 amMerk, “by far”? Really?
They finished the season 31-6. We were 28-7. And we gave them 2 of their losses.
Your other point is both undeniable and regrettable, imo.
The entire season’s quality shouldn’t be reduced to the tourney. This isn’t good for the sport, and it’s unfair to the players.
Agree 100% J. What do we all remember about the 1993 NCAA tourney? Just one thing. Santa Clara with Steve Nash, although Nash did not have a good game.azcat49 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 25, 2023 11:03 am I don’t know how any true fan can be elated with our tournament performance(so don’t feel bad for me). Our season was great and had many highs and many lows but the goal is and always will be to get to the FF. In that regard we had a colossal flame out. It is far and away more disappointing than last years loss to an underseeded Houston team.
Not in the eyes of the basketball cognoscenti!Merkin wrote: ↑Sat Mar 25, 2023 11:30 amBeachcat97 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 25, 2023 11:25 amMerk, “by far”? Really?
They finished the season 31-6. We were 28-7. And we gave them 2 of their losses.
Your other point is both undeniable and regrettable, imo.
The entire season’s quality shouldn’t be reduced to the tourney. This isn’t good for the sport, and it’s unfair to the players.
Yes, by far. How many games were the UA behind UCLA in the regular season? Barely beating a very injured Bruins squad in the PAC tourney doesn't really mean anything, besides being able to hang the banner up.
Kriisa stating the PAC tourney is more important is just laughable to me.
Channel Lute trying to tank the PAC tourney and rest his players for the NCAAs, that's what is more important.
Agree 100% J. What do we all remember about the 1993 NCAA tourney? Just one thing. Santa Clara with Steve Nash, although Nash did not have a good game.azcat49 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 25, 2023 11:03 am I don’t know how any true fan can be elated with our tournament performance(so don’t feel bad for me). Our season was great and had many highs and many lows but the goal is and always will be to get to the FF. In that regard we had a colossal flame out. It is far and away more disappointing than last years loss to an underseeded Houston team.
Princeton has a net ranking in the 100's.
https://bballnet.com/teams/princeton
That is all anyone will remember about 2023.
We can agree to disagree on this. I care about beating our rivals, and in a season where our tourney performance sucks, maybe other parts of the season matter a little more?Merkin wrote: ↑Sat Mar 25, 2023 11:30 am Yes, by far. How many games were the UA behind UCLA in the regular season? Barely beating a very injured Bruins squad in the PAC tourney doesn't really mean anything, besides being able to hang the banner up.
Kriisa stating the PAC tourney is more important is just laughable to me.
Channel Lute trying to tank the PAC tourney and rest his players for the NCAAs, that's what is more important.
Agree 100% J. What do we all remember about the 1993 NCAA tourney? Just one thing. Santa Clara with Steve Nash, although Nash did not have a good game.azcat49 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 25, 2023 11:03 am I don’t know how any true fan can be elated with our tournament performance(so don’t feel bad for me). Our season was great and had many highs and many lows but the goal is and always will be to get to the FF. In that regard we had a colossal flame out. It is far and away more disappointing than last years loss to an underseeded Houston team.
Princeton has a net ranking in the 100's.
https://bballnet.com/teams/princeton
That is all anyone will remember about 2023.
We did more than beat our rivals this past season. So no, no one’s reducing success to “beating our rivals.”KillerKlown wrote: ↑Sat Mar 25, 2023 12:31 pm As long as we beet our rival huh? Sounds like our football expectations are rubbing off on our basketball expectations.
What's next, celebrating 20 win seasons?
No worries, I understand.Beachcat97 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 25, 2023 12:48 pmWe did more than beat our rivals this past season. So no, no one’s reducing success to “beating our rivals.”KillerKlown wrote: ↑Sat Mar 25, 2023 12:31 pm As long as we beet our rival huh? Sounds like our football expectations are rubbing off on our basketball expectations.
What's next, celebrating 20 win seasons?
Why? Because it showed Kriisa was kind of a douche? I think most Wildcat fans knew that, but he was our douche, so we were good with his antics. Now that he is gone is it surprise some people want reveal the extent of his doucheness? Not really.
The fact is that he thought it was worth posting but only after Kerr was no longer on the team
Maybe he's just flirting with other schools until CSM ups the NIL money.
From what I understand, Kerr was encouraged to leave so this move isn't entirely his choiceBeachcat97 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 3:03 pm Only in the NIL era do players leave Arizona for Nebraska.
What is happening??
How would Miller do that?
For fuck sakeBeachcat97 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 3:03 pm Only in the NIL era do players leave Arizona for Nebraska.
What is happening??
Isn't Warren Buffett the Nebraska donor? Or is it the Koch bros. It's someone like that, there's money there.
Timme and Jaquez compared to our guys is very, very telling.Merkin wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 4:49 pm Buffet for Nebraska, and T Boone Pickens for OK State.
Looking at some of the NIL annual valuations.
Drew Timme $903K
https://www.on3.com/db/drew-timme-39203/nil/
Jaime Jaquez $847
https://www.on3.com/db/jaime-jaquez-142198/nil/
Kriisa $132K
https://www.on3.com/db/kerr-kriisa-73703/nil/
Zu $177K
https://www.on3.com/db/azuolas-tubelis-9085/nil/
My uneducated guess these are just valuations, not what they are actually receiving. I thought I read Zu was looking to get $100K from the UA.Beachcat97 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 5:20 pm Is our budget that skimpy, or are these guys simply that much more valuable?
You don't think the collectives listen to head coaches on who gets the money?
Not on how much to payMerkin wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 5:29 pmMy uneducated guess these are just valuations, not what they are actually receiving. I thought I read Zu was looking to get $100K from the UA.Beachcat97 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 5:20 pm Is our budget that skimpy, or are these guys simply that much more valuable?
Timme is really surprising being it's Gonzaga out in the middle of frickin' nowhere.
JJJ I can see.
In any event, Zu and Kriisa are probably both better getting NIL deals then going back to Lithuania and Estonia since those countries do not pay their professional athletes well, compared to China or Australia.
You don't think the collectives listen to head coaches on who gets the money?
Beachcat97 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 5:20 pmTimme and Jaquez compared to our guys is very, very telling.Merkin wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 4:49 pm Buffet for Nebraska, and T Boone Pickens for OK State.
Looking at some of the NIL annual valuations.
Drew Timme $903K
https://www.on3.com/db/drew-timme-39203/nil/
Jaime Jaquez $847
https://www.on3.com/db/jaime-jaquez-142198/nil/
Kriisa $132K
https://www.on3.com/db/kerr-kriisa-73703/nil/
Zu $177K
https://www.on3.com/db/azuolas-tubelis-9085/nil/
Is our budget that skimpy, or are these guys simply that much more valuable?
I had the opportunity to meet Kerr, following the WSU game, in Pullman. My daughter is a huge fan of the team, and we waited out in the cold, waiting for the players to come out so that she could ask them for a picture, and an autograph. All of the players were gracious, and took the time to stop and talk to her for a few minutes, despite the fact that it was frigid temperatures, and spitting snow. (Except Boswell, who managed to sneak by without speaking to anyone.
) Kerr came out, with his hands completely full, and his headphones on. He could have easily ignored her and walked on by, but he actually stopped and set his stuff on the wet ground so that he could sign a sweater for her, give her a quick hug, and take a picture with her. For a shy young lady, it was one of the highlights of her year. He may have been fiery on the court, and an ass to opposing players, and their fan bases, but to me he will always be the polite young man that took the time to bring a smile to a young fan’s face. He may no longer be a Wildcat, but in my house we will continue to root for him no matter where he lands!Good story. Glad he was able to make your daughter so happyTucsonCat wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 7:56 pmI had the opportunity to meet Kerr, following the WSU game, in Pullman. My daughter is a huge fan of the team, and we waited out in the cold, waiting for the players to come out so that she could ask them for a picture, and an autograph. All of the players were gracious, and took the time to stop and talk to her for a few minutes, despite the fact that it was frigid temperatures, and spitting snow. (Except Boswell, who managed to sneak by without speaking to anyone.) Kerr came out, with his hands completely full, and his headphones on. He could have easily ignored her and walked on by, but he actually stopped and set his stuff on the wet ground so that he could sign a sweater for her, give her a quick hug, and take a picture with her. For a shy young lady, it was one of the highlights of her year. He may have been fiery on the court, and an ass to opposing players, and their fan bases, but to me he will always be the polite young man that took the time to bring a smile to a young fan’s face. He may no longer be a Wildcat, but in my house we will continue to root for him no matter where he lands!
That is cool. Glad he was accommodating to your daughter.TucsonCat wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 7:56 pmI had the opportunity to meet Kerr, following the WSU game, in Pullman. My daughter is a huge fan of the team, and we waited out in the cold, waiting for the players to come out so that she could ask them for a picture, and an autograph. All of the players were gracious, and took the time to stop and talk to her for a few minutes, despite the fact that it was frigid temperatures, and spitting snow. (Except Boswell, who managed to sneak by without speaking to anyone.
Nah, there's no minds changing here. This was a decision made by both sides.pc in NM wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 4:50 am IMNSO opinion, we're gonna miss Kerr!!
I actually hope CTL re-recruits him like he did when he declared for the portal after CTM left...
Maybe checking out places like WVU & Nebraska will change his mind, if the primary motivation to leave was the likely loss of PT.
ChooChooCat wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 6:54 am Nah, there's no minds changing here. This was a decision made by both sides.
Losing a 13 point lead as a team that is an elite defensive team is hardly a classic. Going 10.5 minutes with NO points is par for the course for this offensively challenged coach as I believe the players are capable of much more.KillerKlown wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 11:34 pm I would take losing in the sweet 16 to Gonzaga in an all-time classic than losing to a 15 seed in the first round in a game where AZ scored 10 points in 15 minutes or something awful like that. It was nice to give Princeton there first win in over 20 years.
Actually trying to cope and lessen the looks of loosing to a 15 seed by comparing your season to another team and not just another team but a rival that went further than yours. Cringe.
Nice to know he thinks a pac12 tourney is more of an accomplishment than a Sweet 16. This is exactly why we will never win shit that's worth a damn.
I like Kerr but the more he talks the more i feel not only a change in the line up was necessary but also a change in scenery. And i couldn't even imagine the guy transferring even after the loss to Princeton.
I didn't listen to podcast and don't plan on it but that's my knee jerk reaction to the tweet without having the context. Goodnight, goodbye and this thread can't be removed from the Arizona Basketball board soon enough.
All of you making harsh judgments of Kerr (and Pelle, BTW!!!) really should view the podcast to see their own discussion of the postgame interview experience and reconsideration of the quotes.
