Re: let's talk '20
Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2020 4:25 pm
Arizona retires jerseys... not #sPostmaster wrote:So , can you wear a number that is in rafters?
Postmaster wrote:Wasn’t sure the guidelines, thanks.
I know basketball has a limited amount of numbers to use.
Something to do with refs
Something the NBA refs figured a way to get around, but college refs on the other hand...MountainCat wrote:Postmaster wrote:Wasn’t sure the guidelines, thanks.
I know basketball has a limited amount of numbers to use.
Something to do with refs
Yeah something to do with only having 5 fingers on each hand....
He knew before that, he just didn't know until Arizona started recruiting him.Merkin wrote:I wonder if he asked Kerr as a courtesy?
Like he said, he didn't even know Steve Kerr was a former Wildcat until after he committed.
Totally, zg. Securing roster stability can feel like catching lightning in a bottle. But Miller makes it easier on himself when he recruits guys like Kriisa, who are likely to be at AZ for multiple seasons.zonagrad wrote:The roster debate shows just much losing a guy like Doutrive can be. It’s not that you lose him for one season, but also future seasons. Then you’re playing catch-up with recruiting and you have to hope the new guys coming in are already better than the guys departing. And that’s rarely the case because it takes a few years for most player to make an impact. Hence the need for OADs.
Well love or hate Miller we are stuck with him for a couple more years it sounds like at the least. So you can either be a miserable fan, or you can support the coach and the teams we have in the mean time and hope for the best. This past season was up and down but I was pretty fired up after they beat Udub getting ready to roll into Las Vegas and root on the cats. It doesnt appear Miller has given up and I’m sure he wants to get to a final four more than anyone.SCCats wrote:Who brought the FBI to us?zonagrad wrote:Miller essentially had to rebuild from scratch thanks to the FBI/ESPN fiasco and also lost a key player (Williams) to build around. The roster is beginning to look like a long term commitment of players, which should stabilize things. You have no way of knowing how good next year’s team can become.SCCats wrote:We will have a solid team.zonagrad wrote:I actually think we’ll have a solid team. Brown will be essentially a 3rd year player, a former McDonalds All-American. Between Kerr & Akinjo, that’s two solid, experienced guards. They’re not freshmen. Mathurin is going to be a pleasant surprise.
That can compete for a 9 seed in the tourney.
Compete for the PAC title: no.
Be an 8th best program in the nation team: no.
No.
No.
Accept you are a fringe top 25 team. Or embrace getting rid of Sean.
Choice is yours. And all of ours.
If you part ways with Miller now, which is probably too late, who do you expect to hire? I need specific names. You’re sending a message that 5 conference titles and 3 Elite 8s in 10 years isn’t good enough. You certainly won’t get a coach who has job security risk his career knowing the coach before him, with a winning percentage like Miller’s, was axed. Who are you gonna hire???
Who promised a new dawn after that?
Who failed to deliver that new dawn?
Who turned a top 8 program into a fringe top 25 one?
And then into a fringe tournament one?
And, as others have asked....on top of all that...who’s having fun?
Who would I hire? Get me out some darts, I’ll throw them randomly at some pictures. Pretty decent chance whoever I hit won’t do worse than turning the 8th best franchise into the 40th best.
This is where I’m at. I really like Miller. I think he’s had some bad luck and also is deserving of some criticism. But he’s also done a helluva job. I honestly think this past season we could’ve made some noise in the tournament. We’ll never know. I also like where the roster is going. The caveat is whether all of the guys coming in actually stay several years.Dosia wrote:Well love or hate Miller we are stuck with him for a couple more years it sounds like at the least. So you can either be a miserable fan, or you can support the coach and the teams we have in the mean time and hope for the best. This past season was up and down but I was pretty fired up after they beat Udub getting ready to roll into Las Vegas and root on the cats. It doesnt appear Miller has given up and I’m sure he wants to get to a final four more than anyone.SCCats wrote:Who brought the FBI to us?zonagrad wrote:Miller essentially had to rebuild from scratch thanks to the FBI/ESPN fiasco and also lost a key player (Williams) to build around. The roster is beginning to look like a long term commitment of players, which should stabilize things. You have no way of knowing how good next year’s team can become.SCCats wrote:We will have a solid team.zonagrad wrote:I actually think we’ll have a solid team. Brown will be essentially a 3rd year player, a former McDonalds All-American. Between Kerr & Akinjo, that’s two solid, experienced guards. They’re not freshmen. Mathurin is going to be a pleasant surprise.
That can compete for a 9 seed in the tourney.
Compete for the PAC title: no.
Be an 8th best program in the nation team: no.
No.
No.
Accept you are a fringe top 25 team. Or embrace getting rid of Sean.
Choice is yours. And all of ours.
If you part ways with Miller now, which is probably too late, who do you expect to hire? I need specific names. You’re sending a message that 5 conference titles and 3 Elite 8s in 10 years isn’t good enough. You certainly won’t get a coach who has job security risk his career knowing the coach before him, with a winning percentage like Miller’s, was axed. Who are you gonna hire???
Who promised a new dawn after that?
Who failed to deliver that new dawn?
Who turned a top 8 program into a fringe top 25 one?
And then into a fringe tournament one?
And, as others have asked....on top of all that...who’s having fun?
Who would I hire? Get me out some darts, I’ll throw them randomly at some pictures. Pretty decent chance whoever I hit won’t do worse than turning the 8th best franchise into the 40th best.
gronk4heisman wrote:In theory these guys should stay for several years and grow with the program.
That theory has not been very reliable as of late, I have seen this story before and will not believe anyone on this roster will be here multiple years until they are. The same theory would have said these guys would have been here for several years:
Elliott Pitts
Craig Victor
Justin Simon
Chance Comanche
Lauri Markkanen (Only one on the list that exceeded expectations)
Brandon Randolph
Emmanual Akot
Alex Barcello
Brandon Williams
Devonaire Doutrive
Omar Theilemans (LOL)
That is 10 guys in the last 5 classes (11 in 6 years) that I would have expected to stay multiple years when they committed to the team that did not, in that same time frame only 3 guys I would have expected to stay multiple years actually did (Ira, PJC, Dusan). That is far from a good return, with that rate of attrition I would not be surprised if only one guy actually spends more than one year in an Arizona uniform.
gronk4heisman wrote:In theory these guys should stay for several years and grow with the program.
That theory has not been very reliable as of late, I have seen this story before and will not believe anyone on this roster will be here multiple years until they are. The same theory would have said these guys would have been here for several years:
Elliott Pitts
Craig Victor
Justin Simon
Chance Comanche
Lauri Markkanen (Only one on the list that exceeded expectations)
Brandon Randolph
Emmanual Akot
Alex Barcello
Brandon Williams
Devonaire Doutrive
Omar Theilemans (LOL)
That is 10 guys in the last 5 classes (11 in 6 years) that I would have expected to stay multiple years when they committed to the team that did not, in that same time frame only 3 guys I would have expected to stay multiple years actually did (Ira, PJC, Dusan). That is far from a good return, with that rate of attrition I would not be surprised if only one guy actually spends more than one year in an Arizona uniform.
The Brandon Williams inclusion also makes no sense.Merkin wrote:gronk4heisman wrote:In theory these guys should stay for several years and grow with the program.
That theory has not been very reliable as of late, I have seen this story before and will not believe anyone on this roster will be here multiple years until they are. The same theory would have said these guys would have been here for several years:
Elliott Pitts
Craig Victor
Justin Simon
Chance Comanche
Lauri Markkanen (Only one on the list that exceeded expectations)
Brandon Randolph
Emmanual Akot
Alex Barcello
Brandon Williams
Devonaire Doutrive
Omar Theilemans (LOL)
That is 10 guys in the last 5 classes (11 in 6 years) that I would have expected to stay multiple years when they committed to the team that did not, in that same time frame only 3 guys I would have expected to stay multiple years actually did (Ira, PJC, Dusan). That is far from a good return, with that rate of attrition I would not be surprised if only one guy actually spends more than one year in an Arizona uniform.
Just shows how much marginal players hate Sean Miller, although the Pitts case was different.
This is where I am, too, but it doesn't make any of us right.zonagrad wrote:This is where I’m at. I really like Miller. I think he’s had some bad luck and also is deserving of some criticism. But he’s also done a helluva job. I honestly think this past season we could’ve made some noise in the tournament. We’ll never know. I also like where the roster is going. The caveat is whether all of the guys coming in actually stay several years.Dosia wrote:
Well love or hate Miller we are stuck with him for a couple more years it sounds like at the least. So you can either be a miserable fan, or you can support the coach and the teams we have in the mean time and hope for the best. This past season was up and down but I was pretty fired up after they beat Udub getting ready to roll into Las Vegas and root on the cats. It doesnt appear Miller has given up and I’m sure he wants to get to a final four more than anyone.
If the time comes when it’s time to part ways with Miller, I think it will be obvious. We’re not there yet (IMO). And I don’t think we ever will be.
azcat49 wrote:I thought it was us Kentucky and zags? Who is the third team for him?
Choo - for the euro big, it's either us or pro, right? I'm perfectly fine losing Haarms if we get him, but that's a significant if.ChooChooCat wrote:Matt Haarms narrowed it to 3 and we aren't one of those 3. Euro big or bust for us.
As far as I know, yup.goslingswagg wrote:Choo - for the euro big, it's either us or pro, right? I'm perfectly fine losing Haarms if we get him, but that's a significant if.ChooChooCat wrote:Matt Haarms narrowed it to 3 and we aren't one of those 3. Euro big or bust for us.
It's gotta be Kentucky.UAEebs86 wrote:azcat49 wrote:I thought it was us Kentucky and zags? Who is the third team for him?
Assuming he does come to Arizona, is he viewed as a one and done or is it to early to say?ChooChooCat wrote:As far as I know, yup.goslingswagg wrote:Choo - for the euro big, it's either us or pro, right? I'm perfectly fine losing Haarms if we get him, but that's a significant if.ChooChooCat wrote:Matt Haarms narrowed it to 3 and we aren't one of those 3. Euro big or bust for us.
Apparently we're losing him too lolDosia wrote:Assuming he does come to Arizona, is he viewed as a one and done or is it to early to say?ChooChooCat wrote:As far as I know, yup.goslingswagg wrote:Choo - for the euro big, it's either us or pro, right? I'm perfectly fine losing Haarms if we get him, but that's a significant if.ChooChooCat wrote:Matt Haarms narrowed it to 3 and we aren't one of those 3. Euro big or bust for us.
Feels more like a bit bigger, bit more ready Ivan Radenovic? Or a Soph/Junior version of Ivan? Who was underrated, so maybe I am overrating this new guy.gronk4heisman wrote:Choo - Can you speak to play style of the Euro Big? Is he a stretch 4/5 (Lauri, Frye (NBA)), low post scorer (Zeke, Jordan Hill), defensive protetector (Koloko, Loren Woods), a high energy workhorse (Ira, Edgerson) or just a freak (Ayton)?
Ok.ChooChooCat wrote:Not talking about this dude any more guys. I'll let you know where things are when I can.
reminds me of zach collins (gonzaga). prob a little better handle and a worse shootergronk4heisman wrote:Choo - Can you speak to play style of the Euro Big? Is he a stretch 4/5 (Lauri, Frye (NBA)), low post scorer (Zeke, Jordan Hill), defensive protetector (Koloko, Loren Woods), a high energy workhorse (Ira, Edgerson) or just a freak (Ayton)?
Is it "the best place to take a dump in the Parthenon"?Longhorned wrote:I know things about the Parthenon I'm not sharing with any of you.
That was published in 485/4 BCE in a beautifully chiseled inscription (IG I3 4): μεδ᾽ἀνὰ πᾶν τὸ ἑ κατομπέδον μεδ᾽ ὄντηοω ἐγβαλῆν.azgreg wrote:Is it "the best place to take a dump in the Parthenon"?Longhorned wrote:I know things about the Parthenon I'm not sharing with any of you.
I'm not even joking.[it is forbidden] to dump excrement ... inside the Hekatompedon (Parthenon).
Kyril was quite possibly the worst scholarship player recruited under Miller. Andrew Zahn arguably Lute’s worst.Postmaster wrote:Is it Kyril’s little brother?
He had sweet dance moves on the bench.
No. His name has been outed unfortunately but it's not this guy. Other guy is far better.Postmaster wrote:Is that Choos euro guy?
No.Postmaster wrote:Is that Choos euro guy?
No kidding. Only international player with that slim a build AZ played right away was Radenovic. And if you forget Ivan's first year in Tucson, he was incredibly raw, with terrible shot selection--much less any ability to hang on the boards.Alieberman wrote:That kid looks like he needs to start downing some American cheeseburgers
Hope we're pitching him as a redshirt candidate, he needs to add a whole lot of strength. Like the offer though a lot.ChooChooCat wrote:No.Postmaster wrote:Is that Choos euro guy?
He's a solid combo forward that needs to add strength, good developmental piece who can really shoot it.
FWIW he's played in the states the last two years of HS.catgrad97 wrote:No kidding. Only international player with that slim a build AZ played right away was Radenovic. And if you forget Ivan's first year in Tucson, he was incredibly raw, with terrible shot selection--much less any ability to hang on the boards.Alieberman wrote:That kid looks like he needs to start downing some American cheeseburgers
This kid would need at least a redshirt year to bulk up, assuming we don't have another exodus of college players to the G League under another rule change.