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Postmaster wrote: Sat Dec 23, 2023 8:09 pm Did we have any dunks other than Love’s fast break?
Keshad had a run down the middle he dunked early in first half but can’t think of others
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Postmaster wrote: Sat Dec 23, 2023 8:09 pm Did we have any dunks other than Love’s fast break?
Keshad had one in the first half I think.
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Captain Obvious wrote: Sat Dec 23, 2023 4:30 pm It's not what anybody wants to hear but the better team won today and they did so with fundamental TEAM basketball. Boswell has to learn when to hold em and when to fold em. The confidence a point guard shows affects the entire team. What concerns me is now we enter conference play in a weak conference that will do virtually nothing to prepare us for the NCAA tournament. Another first round/early round exit is very likely. Discuss. And don't be a dick!
It's December 23rd. Kind of early for any such proclamations. Have a Merry Christmas. You can fear porn in March.
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My main thing offensively is more Caleb going downhill please.
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Captain Obvious wrote: Sat Dec 23, 2023 4:30 pm It's not what anybody wants to hear but the better team won today and they did so with fundamental TEAM basketball. Boswell has to learn when to hold em and when to fold em. The confidence a point guard shows affects the entire team. What concerns me is now we enter conference play in a weak conference that will do virtually nothing to prepare us for the NCAA tournament. Another first round/early round exit is very likely. Discuss. And don't be a dick!
Arizona won every single metric possible outside of field goals made.
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The team with the guards that went for 35 and 20 won as opposed to the team whose guards went for 26 and 15.

They followed the Purdue blueprint, have your 2 guards have career nights and outscore their two guards by 15.

We will be susceptible to these kinds of losses in the tournament as well, just like every other team. Would Purdue have beaten FAU tonight? I don't know, but they might not have. Kansas would have been run out, Houston hasn't played anyone, so that's hard to tell.

Now we've had 2 games where we've been torched by a tandem of prolific guards that had crazy stat nights. I'm sure Tommy will address this.
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ChooChooCat wrote: Sun Dec 24, 2023 7:26 am
Captain Obvious wrote: Sat Dec 23, 2023 4:30 pm It's not what anybody wants to hear but the better team won today and they did so with fundamental TEAM basketball. Boswell has to learn when to hold em and when to fold em. The confidence a point guard shows affects the entire team. What concerns me is now we enter conference play in a weak conference that will do virtually nothing to prepare us for the NCAA tournament. Another first round/early round exit is very likely. Discuss. And don't be a dick!
Arizona won every single metric possible outside of field goals made.
And they lost the most important metric; the final score.
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ChooChooCat wrote: Sun Dec 24, 2023 7:26 am
Captain Obvious wrote: Sat Dec 23, 2023 4:30 pm It's not what anybody wants to hear but the better team won today and they did so with fundamental TEAM basketball. Boswell has to learn when to hold em and when to fold em. The confidence a point guard shows affects the entire team. What concerns me is now we enter conference play in a weak conference that will do virtually nothing to prepare us for the NCAA tournament. Another first round/early round exit is very likely. Discuss. And don't be a dick!
Arizona won every single metric possible outside of field goals made.
I didn’t think Arizona played particular well either. I wonder if 3 big games in a week had any impact especially with travel involved.
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My biggest fear isn't that we can't/won't improve and fix our deficiencies...

It's that the competition in the Pac is so bad that we won't know if we've really fixed these things until March....
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Whenever concern about wishing the conference was stronger comes up, I like to bring up Tarkanian's UNLV teams in the Big West, and Wooden's teams in the Pac-8. Both leagues were generally miserable and offered little competition. Until the end of Wooden's run, USC got them a couple of times, then later the Oregon schools started getting better. But nobody in the BW could touch Tark, and both went on to win it all. Different eras and all that, but you can't control what you can't control, and getting good seeding and location means a lot, too.

We played now-#1 Purdue at a virtual home game for them, then Alabama, and FAU's Final Four team all in 8 days, none of them at McKale Center, while FAU had 7 days of rest and detailed preparation just for us. We made some poor choices in passes and shot selection, which will improve over the course of the season, and it still took 2 overtimes. We lost the equivalent of what UCLA lost in personnel (and look at them now), we've played a killer non-conference schedule, and we've made it to conference season with 2 losses and no doubt still a top ten ranking. ASU fans (honest or otherwise) are reduced to the pathetic state of just rooting for their rival not to win another national championship. Not a particular concern of mine, but something to bear in mind while dismissing that sort.
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Alieberman wrote: Sun Dec 24, 2023 8:59 am My biggest fear isn't that we can't/won't improve and fix our deficiencies...

It's that the competition in the Pac is so bad that we won't know if we've really fixed these things until March....
I hear you, but you have to look at what we just accomplished in Nov/Dec. 9-2 vs that schedule is pretty spectacular, imo. I trust that this team is hungry and that they’ll keep getting better.

No one remembers what happens in December. Only what happens in March.
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TheCatInTheHat wrote: Sun Dec 24, 2023 9:07 am Whenever concern about wishing the conference was stronger comes up, I like to bring up Tarkanian's UNLV teams in the Big West, and Wooden's teams in the Pac-8. Both leagues were generally miserable and offered little competition. Until the end of Wooden's run, USC got them a couple of times, then later the Oregon schools started getting better. But nobody in the BW could touch Tark, and both went on to win it all. Different eras and all that, but you can't control what you can't control, and getting good seeding and location means a lot, too.
You really can’t compare the two era’s. Wooden’s teams were so far and away loaded with talent because there was no scholarship limits he was able - with some help wink wink - to stockpile the best players in America. Today the talent gaps of the top teams and even the next level below is not that far apart.
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KISS
Preseason is over.
We're #1.
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Don't let anyone tell you different.
Merry Christmas.
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Frybry02 wrote: Sun Dec 24, 2023 8:28 am
ChooChooCat wrote: Sun Dec 24, 2023 7:26 am
Captain Obvious wrote: Sat Dec 23, 2023 4:30 pm It's not what anybody wants to hear but the better team won today and they did so with fundamental TEAM basketball. Boswell has to learn when to hold em and when to fold em. The confidence a point guard shows affects the entire team. What concerns me is now we enter conference play in a weak conference that will do virtually nothing to prepare us for the NCAA tournament. Another first round/early round exit is very likely. Discuss. And don't be a dick!
Arizona won every single metric possible outside of field goals made.
I didn’t think Arizona played particular well either. I wonder if 3 big games in a week had any impact especially with travel involved.
I'm sure it did and I'm sure this schedule was by design by Tommy Lloyd. Lessons were learned.
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KaibabKat wrote: Sun Dec 24, 2023 11:56 am KISS
Preseason is over.
We're #1.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/se ... tings.html
Don't let anyone tell you different.
Merry Christmas.
We played 4 of the top 10 and 5 of the top 20.
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U.P. Zona Fan wrote: Sun Dec 24, 2023 7:57 am The team with the guards that went for 35 and 20 won as opposed to the team whose guards went for 26 and 15.

They followed the Purdue blueprint, have your 2 guards have career nights and outscore their two guards by 15.

We will be susceptible to these kinds of losses in the tournament as well, just like every other team. Would Purdue have beaten FAU tonight? I don't know, but they might not have. Kansas would have been run out, Houston hasn't played anyone, so that's hard to tell.

Now we've had 2 games where we've been torched by a tandem of prolific guards that had crazy stat nights. I'm sure Tommy will address this.
So you’re saying we got Jimmered?
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Postmaster wrote: Mon Dec 25, 2023 12:52 am
U.P. Zona Fan wrote: Sun Dec 24, 2023 7:57 am The team with the guards that went for 35 and 20 won as opposed to the team whose guards went for 26 and 15.

They followed the Purdue blueprint, have your 2 guards have career nights and outscore their two guards by 15.

We will be susceptible to these kinds of losses in the tournament as well, just like every other team. Would Purdue have beaten FAU tonight? I don't know, but they might not have. Kansas would have been run out, Houston hasn't played anyone, so that's hard to tell.

Now we've had 2 games where we've been torched by a tandem of prolific guards that had crazy stat nights. I'm sure Tommy will address this.
So you’re saying we got Jimmered?
Yep, with milk and cookies.
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dovecanyoncat wrote: Sun Dec 17, 2023 12:56 pm
enfuego wrote: Sun Dec 17, 2023 10:26 amOuch.
Don't clench. Just relax. Let it happen and try to enjoy it.
Is that what Purdue, or was it FAU?, said to Arizona this past week? Ouch.
"Arizona got uppercutted out of the 2018 tournament by No. 13 Buffalo, which delivered one of the most overwhelming, lopsided upsets by a double-digit seed in tournament history (89-68). "
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U.P. Zona Fan wrote: Sun Dec 24, 2023 7:57 am The team with the guards that went for 35 and 20 won as opposed to the team whose guards went for 26 and 15.

They followed the Purdue blueprint, have your 2 guards have career nights and outscore their two guards by 15.

We will be susceptible to these kinds of losses in the tournament as well, just like every other team. Would Purdue have beaten FAU tonight? I don't know, but they might not have. Kansas would have been run out, Houston hasn't played anyone, so that's hard to tell.

Now we've had 2 games where we've been torched by a tandem of prolific guards that had crazy stat nights. I'm sure Tommy will address this.
Kansas has beaten better teams in UConn, Tennessee and Kentucky. Oh, and we won those contests.
"Arizona got uppercutted out of the 2018 tournament by No. 13 Buffalo, which delivered one of the most overwhelming, lopsided upsets by a double-digit seed in tournament history (89-68). "
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enfuego wrote: Mon Dec 25, 2023 8:03 am
dovecanyoncat wrote: Sun Dec 17, 2023 12:56 pm
enfuego wrote: Sun Dec 17, 2023 10:26 amOuch.
Don't clench. Just relax. Let it happen and try to enjoy it.
Is that what Purdue, or was it FAU?, said to Arizona this past week? Ouch.
That's what Marquette said before they lubed you up. Last I checked they're ranked lower in Kenpom than Purdue & FAU. Merry Christmas Jayhawk.
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Moving forward... and up!!
College basketball rankings: Florida Atlantic soars after knocking off Arizona

Merry Christmas! Time to sneak into the bathroom to get your college basketball fix and not offend your family.

In this week’s Top 25, Arizona-FAU gave us the game on the year on Festivus, Houston’s Kelvin Sampson is about to join Hall of Fame-worthy company, Terrence Shannon Jr. is scary in an open floor, BYU and its deadliest 3-point attack in the country just got better and RJ Davis is playing like an All-American.

CJ Moore's Top 25 for Monday, Dec. 25
1. Purdue
2. Arizona
3. Kansas
4. Houston
5. Connecticut

8. Florida Atlantic


2. Arizona - #3 last week

The Wildcats will not be penalized for their double-OT loss to Florida Atlantic in these rankings. We’re only rewarding the Owls. It took 35 points from Johnell Davis and some unreal shotmaking to pull off the win. Arizona has four wins over top-25 KenPom teams. Only Purdue (five) has more.

If there was anything Arizona could have maybe done to adjust, it would have been to not let the Owls dribble into some of their rhythm jumpers out of ball screens. They shot 7-of-10 on jumpers against drop coverage. Tommy Lloyd did go small some down the stretch, moving Keshad Johnson to center. That’s something he couldn’t have done last year. This is a very good defensive team. It just ran into a really smart coach with big-time shotmakers.

8. Florida Atlantic - #10 last week

Arizona was ahead 17-3 early and on a 14-0 run, and Dusty May never called timeout. He looked as calm as ever. The Owls are always composed, and the possession that set up the game-winning free throw was so FAU. With two seconds on the shot clock, Giancarlo Rosado had the wherewithal to shot fake — not once, but twice!
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enfuego wrote: Mon Dec 25, 2023 8:03 am
dovecanyoncat wrote: Sun Dec 17, 2023 12:56 pm
enfuego wrote: Sun Dec 17, 2023 10:26 amOuch.
Don't clench. Just relax. Let it happen and try to enjoy it.
Is that what Purdue, or was it FAU?, said to Arizona this past week? Ouch.
Talking with you about basketball is like taking relationship advice from Octomom. Tell me, what does your wife do when you chew off your tracking bracelet?
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enfuego wrote: Mon Dec 25, 2023 8:05 am
U.P. Zona Fan wrote: Sun Dec 24, 2023 7:57 am The team with the guards that went for 35 and 20 won as opposed to the team whose guards went for 26 and 15.

They followed the Purdue blueprint, have your 2 guards have career nights and outscore their two guards by 15.

We will be susceptible to these kinds of losses in the tournament as well, just like every other team. Would Purdue have beaten FAU tonight? I don't know, but they might not have. Kansas would have been run out, Houston hasn't played anyone, so that's hard to tell.

Now we've had 2 games where we've been torched by a tandem of prolific guards that had crazy stat nights. I'm sure Tommy will address this.
Kansas has beaten better teams in UConn, Tennessee and Kentucky. Oh, and we won those contests.
I couldn't agree more. All three of those teams are legitimate NC contenders. Arizona has played some good names but not good teams (at the time) because Duke, MSU, and Wisconsin have all improved markedly since Arizona played them. I've said it before and I'll say it again; Arizona is fools gold. They'll likely be one and done or maybe win one game in the NCAA tournament. The blue print is out on how to beat them. Your input is always appreciated Enfuego. God knows this forum could use more objective viewpoints instead of the agree with us or we'll ban you narrow minded circle jerk mentality.
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This is our best team since the TJ years. If we don’t learn how defend a ball screen we could definitely see a early exit.
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Shows what a quality opponent FAU is.
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Well we're still #2 on the NET ranking and #3 on KenPom. They really couldn't drop us too much
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84Cat wrote: Mon Dec 25, 2023 11:36 am Well we're still #2 on the NET ranking and #3 on KenPom. They really couldn't drop us too much
Our numbers are great, plus I think a consensus has now emerged that we’re among the small group of teams who can cut down the nets this season. Only thing that can change this now is multiple bad losses in our Pac schedule.
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Captain Obvious wrote: Mon Dec 25, 2023 10:13 am
enfuego wrote: Mon Dec 25, 2023 8:05 am
U.P. Zona Fan wrote: Sun Dec 24, 2023 7:57 am The team with the guards that went for 35 and 20 won as opposed to the team whose guards went for 26 and 15.

They followed the Purdue blueprint, have your 2 guards have career nights and outscore their two guards by 15.

We will be susceptible to these kinds of losses in the tournament as well, just like every other team. Would Purdue have beaten FAU tonight? I don't know, but they might not have. Kansas would have been run out, Houston hasn't played anyone, so that's hard to tell.

Now we've had 2 games where we've been torched by a tandem of prolific guards that had crazy stat nights. I'm sure Tommy will address this.
Kansas has beaten better teams in UConn, Tennessee and Kentucky. Oh, and we won those contests.
I couldn't agree more. All three of those teams are legitimate NC contenders. Arizona has played some good names but not good teams (at the time) because Duke, MSU, and Wisconsin have all improved markedly since Arizona played them. I've said it before and I'll say it again; Arizona is fools gold. They'll likely be one and done or maybe win one game in the NCAA tournament. The blue print is out on how to beat them. Your input is always appreciated Enfuego. God knows this forum could use more objective viewpoints instead of the agree with us or we'll ban you narrow minded circle jerk mentality.

You come on UofA fan's message board on Christmas day, crap all over the team, and start siding with the biggest troll on the site other than yourself.

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UAEebs86 wrote: Tue Dec 26, 2023 4:46 am You come on UofA fan's message board on Christmas day, crap all over the team, and start siding with the biggest troll on the site other than yourself.

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Add him to your ignore list. Makes this board a lot more enjoyable.
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Beachcat97 wrote: Tue Dec 26, 2023 7:58 am
UAEebs86 wrote: Tue Dec 26, 2023 4:46 am You come on UofA fan's message board on Christmas day, crap all over the team, and start siding with the biggest troll on the site other than yourself.

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Add him to your ignore list. Makes this board a lot more enjoyable.
IMNSHO, When you respond to a known troll, you are BEING a troll!
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pc in NM wrote: Tue Dec 26, 2023 8:37 am
IMNSHO, When you respond to a known troll, you are BEING a troll!


This you?


pc in NM wrote: Wed Dec 20, 2023 9:25 pm
KaibabKat wrote: Wed Dec 20, 2023 9:20 pm One team came ready to play.
Fucking cliches… :roll:
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Abstemiousness isn't my strong suit but I'll be a good boy.
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AZCatGirl wrote: Mon Dec 25, 2023 11:28 am Shows what a quality opponent FAU is.
And how much respect the pollsters have for AZ. We have a great opportunity this year, guys. Fantastic roster, great team chemistry, and a coach that gets it. Plenty of time to tighten up loose parts. Can’t wait to see what this team is gonna do next.
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Men's Power Rankings: Every team's needs going forward

4. Arizona Wildcats (9-2)
Previous ranking: 4
Next 10 days: at California (Friday), at Stanford (Sunday), vs. Colorado (Thursday), vs. Utah (Saturday)

Tommy Lloyd upgraded his perimeter defense in the offseason, adding more toughness and versatility. And it played out that way through the first eight games of the season. But the Wildcats have had trouble containing opposing guards over the past couple weeks. Purdue's Braden Smith and Fletcher Loyer torched them, and Florida Atlantic's Johnell Davis dropped 35 last weekend. They contained Alabama's guards from a scoring perspective, but the Tide also missed 32 3-pointers.
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Seems low.
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Arizona is 9-2 ATS.
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Basketball team cheering on the Football team during the comeback.
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AZCatGirl wrote: Thu Dec 28, 2023 7:12 pm Seems low.
Nah, that sounds about right. League games are always closer, and it’s at Cal.
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Want to give a shout out to Krivas. He has good footwork and has a nice touch around the rim. Can use either hand to finish plus can hit free throws.

While his defense isn’t elite he works hard at that end of the floor and on the glass.

Slowly becoming a major contributor to this years squad.
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EastCoastCat wrote: Sat Dec 30, 2023 9:39 am Want to give a shout out to Krivas. He has good footwork and has a nice touch around the rim. Can use either hand to finish plus can hit free throws.

While his defense isn’t elite he works hard at that end of the floor and on the glass.

Slowly becoming a major contributor to this years squad.
You can see the improvement almost every game. He will be a force next year
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dmjcat wrote: Sat Dec 30, 2023 10:07 am Caleb Loves posterizing dunk:

https://www.google.com/search?q=caleb+l ... Oi7Wg,st:0
#1 on SC top ten, as it should be.
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Love is gonna make a run at our pantheon of great dunkers before all's said and done this season. AG, D-Will, Iggy, Hassan, Mathurin, RJ, Chase...who else?
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Beachcat97 wrote: Sat Dec 30, 2023 1:32 pm Love is gonna make a run at our pantheon of great dunkers before all's said and done this season. AG, D-Will, Iggy, Hassan, Mathurin, RJ, Chase...who else?
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Didn't notice Pelle's reaction before. :lol:
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Beachcat97 wrote: Sat Dec 30, 2023 1:32 pm Love is gonna make a run at our pantheon of great dunkers before all's said and done this season. AG, D-Will, Iggy, Hassan, Mathurin, RJ, Chase...who else?
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