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97cats wrote:however, just to be clear, the Pitts situation was a major distraction inside the locker room, around the program in general, and in the athletic department. the team dealt with a bunch of drama that never reached the public -- to a point that i wouldnt wish any of what happened last year on any team trying to make a serious run in March.

if ya asked Coach Miller that he would say the same thing, the fact that it was kept out of the public domain in no way fairly depicts the negative impact it had.

97cats wrote:however, just to be clear, the Pitts situation was a major distraction inside the locker room, around the program in general, and in the athletic department. the team dealt with a bunch of drama that never reached the public -- to a point that i wouldnt wish any of what happened last year on any team trying to make a serious run in March.

if ya asked Coach Miller that he would say the same thing, the fact that it was kept out of the public domain in no way fairly depicts the negative impact it had.

EVCat wrote:

rgdeuce wrote:Love Miller's response.

Ehh. I like the idea of it. But the Beaver County, Pennslyvania bit irks me for some reason. I understand it is where he is from, but the whole connotation is "where I come from, truth is truth and no is no, but I don't know what you all do out here."

Also, the question HAS to be asked. If it wasn't asked, the people who subscribe or may subscribe to the paper, the die hards on these message boards, would be flipping out. "The Tucson media are pussies. They won't even ask the question. How are we ever supposed to find out?' and so forth. If you don't ask the question each presser, things could change and some national media scoops the story and Miller could say "well...you didn't ask if it was resolved. It isn't my job to do your job for you." Because coaches always favor national press, even though those MFers barely know the team's mascot name and aren't there grinding with you on another 11:20p end in Pullman, Washington, getting the story of the game out for the later morning edition.

It goes to a larger pet peeve of mine, of coaches of college sports believing their own hype, and really thinking what they do is super important and elevates them above the people who cover them and the people who fill the seats and watch the sport. You coach people to throw a ball through a hole, at its essence, in representation of a university, presumably with student athletes doing the ball throwing/stopping. You are very popular, you have a player who is being held out, rumors are everywhere that he is suspended due to an NCAA investigation, and the reporter for the sports section that covers the program and thereby helps in promotion of this product that pays the coach an astonishingly high salary (deserved, but still a result of our own misplaced priorities, not his fault) asks a question, as he will at every presser, about the situation. The Nick Saban effect...coach as God. Miller slips into that mode more than I am comfortable with (not that my opinion matters).

The question is coming, and is part of the job. Your job is partially to deal with this situation. The guy asking the question is trying to make his employers happy so he keeps getting a paycheck. The question is valid. Your inability to answer is also valid. So cut the talking down to the guy who is not, in any way, your direct report or your inferior, and just answer the fucking question, no matter how exhausting it is to say the same 5 seconds worth of words once a week. The question was different than the "can you give details about why Trier is out"...substantially. There is a chance Miller could (though he won't) say "I can't give you details on what is going on with Allonzo, but I can tell you that we are working with the athletic department, league, and NCAA to have a resolution to all player issues as soon as possible" or "there are a lot of rumors out there. We have heard them. We have asked the NCAA if we can proceed with our expected roster and are awaiting word", or a number of other answers that aren't "fuck you...I said no. Go to bed without supper."

My discomfort with this really gets down to the dichotomy in my own head...I love this stuff and am obsessed with it and follow the team closely and live and die on its every move and love Miller and want us to do whatever we need to do monetarily to keep him...but at the same time, he isn't 1/10th as important as a single of our medical school instructors or engineering profs, or the Astronomical Sciences staff, etc, etc. People like me give these adults who played a game well then taught people how to play a game well a profile that allows them to, frankly, act like primadonnas at times. The most common example is the interaction of coach with the press. If the press didn't cover them, the coach would freak out. There are still a lot of current ticketholders who read the beat writer and the Star and their coverage helps the coach much more than it hurts him. You all have to work in close proximity. Just be decent.

HiCat wrote:

ChooChooCat wrote:

HiCat wrote:fwiw...

If the appeal is on going, Allonzo should be allowed to play. Unless there's a final decision, AT should be on the court. (Or maybe CSM/ AT have agreed to sitting him out till they sort things out) Otherwise it just seems unfair to force him to miss games in this situation.

I don't think that's accurate in this case. Also what if I told you an appeal hasn't been filed yet?

I'm confused.

ChooChooCat wrote:

HiCat wrote:

ChooChooCat wrote:

HiCat wrote:fwiw...

If the appeal is on going, Allonzo should be allowed to play. Unless there's a final decision, AT should be on the court. (Or maybe CSM/ AT have agreed to sitting him out till they sort things out) Otherwise it just seems unfair to force him to miss games in this situation.

I don't think that's accurate in this case. Also what if I told you an appeal hasn't been filed yet?

I'm confused.

Nothing to be confused about, they haven't filed an appeal yet. That doesn't mean it's not coming of course. It just means don't expect a long term answer any time soon.

Beachcat97 wrote:Can't remember ever starting the season with our best player's eligibility in question.

ChooChooCat wrote:

Beachcat97 wrote:Can't remember ever starting the season with our best player's eligibility in question.

Too young to remember the 1996-97 season huh?

Beachcat97 wrote:Was Miles the best player on our '97 team? Bibby? Dickerson?

Olsondogg wrote:

ChooChooCat wrote:

Beachcat97 wrote:Can't remember ever starting the season with our best player's eligibility in question.

Too young to remember the 1996-97 season huh?

Miles had played a few games if I remember correctly...

ChooChooCat wrote:

Beachcat97 wrote:Was Miles the best player on our '97 team? Bibby? Dickerson?

He was most certainly the best player returning from the 1995-96 team after having put up 13.2ppg and 4.1apg. For comparison Dickerson played 9 minutes less per game and was worse in every statistic compared to Miles outside of 3 point percentage. He was the Final Four MVP in 96-97 for christ's sakes, what more do you want BC97?

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/sch ... /1997.html" target="_blank

Based on all the statistics who was the best overall player that year?

Beachcat97 wrote:Simon, fine. So in other words, we haven't been in this situation for 20 years.

EVCat wrote:

rgdeuce wrote:Love Miller's response.

Ehh. I like the idea of it. But the Beaver County, Pennslyvania bit irks me for some reason. I understand it is where he is from, but the whole connotation is "where I come from, truth is truth and no is no, but I don't know what you all do out here."

Also, the question HAS to be asked. If it wasn't asked, the people who subscribe or may subscribe to the paper, the die hards on these message boards, would be flipping out. "The Tucson media are pussies. They won't even ask the question. How are we ever supposed to find out?' and so forth. If you don't ask the question each presser, things could change and some national media scoops the story and Miller could say "well...you didn't ask if it was resolved. It isn't my job to do your job for you." Because coaches always favor national press, even though those MFers barely know the team's mascot name and aren't there grinding with you on another 11:20p end in Pullman, Washington, getting the story of the game out for the later morning edition.

It goes to a larger pet peeve of mine, of coaches of college sports believing their own hype, and really thinking what they do is super important and elevates them above the people who cover them and the people who fill the seats and watch the sport. You coach people to throw a ball through a hole, at its essence, in representation of a university, presumably with student athletes doing the ball throwing/stopping. You are very popular, you have a player who is being held out, rumors are everywhere that he is suspended due to an NCAA investigation, and the reporter for the sports section that covers the program and thereby helps in promotion of this product that pays the coach an astonishingly high salary (deserved, but still a result of our own misplaced priorities, not his fault) asks a question, as he will at every presser, about the situation. The Nick Saban effect...coach as God. Miller slips into that mode more than I am comfortable with (not that my opinion matters).

The question is coming, and is part of the job. Your job is partially to deal with this situation. The guy asking the question is trying to make his employers happy so he keeps getting a paycheck. The question is valid. Your inability to answer is also valid. So cut the talking down to the guy who is not, in any way, your direct report or your inferior, and just answer the fucking question, no matter how exhausting it is to say the same 5 seconds worth of words once a week. The question was different than the "can you give details about why Trier is out"...substantially. There is a chance Miller could (though he won't) say "I can't give you details on what is going on with Allonzo, but I can tell you that we are working with the athletic department, league, and NCAA to have a resolution to all player issues as soon as possible" or "there are a lot of rumors out there. We have heard them. We have asked the NCAA if we can proceed with our expected roster and are awaiting word", or a number of other answers that aren't "fuck you...I said no. Go to bed without supper."

My discomfort with this really gets down to the dichotomy in my own head...I love this stuff and am obsessed with it and follow the team closely and live and die on its every move and love Miller and want us to do whatever we need to do monetarily to keep him...but at the same time, he isn't 1/10th as important as a single of our medical school instructors or engineering profs, or the Astronomical Sciences staff, etc, etc. People like me give these adults who played a game well then taught people how to play a game well a profile that allows them to, frankly, act like primadonnas at times. The most common example is the interaction of coach with the press. If the press didn't cover them, the coach would freak out. There are still a lot of current ticketholders who read the beat writer and the Star and their coverage helps the coach much more than it hurts him. You all have to work in close proximity. Just be decent.

ChooChooCat wrote:

Olsondogg wrote:

ChooChooCat wrote:

Beachcat97 wrote:Can't remember ever starting the season with our best player's eligibility in question.

Too young to remember the 1996-97 season huh?

Miles had played a few games if I remember correctly...

I'm pretty certain he missed the entire fall semester.

gumby wrote:
BTW, Miles is a big reason very little is said in these situations.

Main Event wrote:Trier Tracker

FightWildcatsFight wrote:

Main Event wrote:Trier Tracker

He's wearing last years shorts

azpatnca wrote:Did either Trey Mason or Elliot Pitts graduate? Or do they both count against us. What a shitty situation. This is the first I've heard of it and just realized they were both Juniors and I only heard about Pitts transferring.

CalStateTempe wrote:Smith injured, BeachCat.

Beachcat97 wrote:

CalStateTempe wrote:Smith injured, BeachCat.

Wait...like badly injured? As in out for the season?

azpatnca wrote:Did either Trey Mason or Elliot Pitts graduate? Or do they both count against us. What a shitty situation. This is the first I've heard of it and just realized they were both Juniors and I only heard about Pitts transferring.

Beachcat97 wrote:

CalStateTempe wrote:Smith injured, BeachCat.

Wait...like badly injured? As in out for the season?

Merkin wrote:

Beachcat97 wrote:

CalStateTempe wrote:Smith injured, BeachCat.

Wait...like badly injured? As in out for the season?

I don't expect Smith to ever play basketball again on a competitive level again. Seemed he wasn't in for 5 minutes and he tweaked his ankle, then he later tore up his knee. Player is glass, and needs to look out for his future health.

If he comes back again, and stays healthy, I would really be surprised.

Not a doctor, nor do I play one in civic theater.

ASUHATER! wrote:

Merkin wrote:

Beachcat97 wrote:

CalStateTempe wrote:Smith injured, BeachCat.

Wait...like badly injured? As in out for the season?

I don't expect Smith to ever play basketball again on a competitive level again. Seemed he wasn't in for 5 minutes and he tweaked his ankle, then he later tore up his knee. Player is glass, and needs to look out for his future health.

If he comes back again, and stays healthy, I would really be surprised.

Not a doctor, nor do I play one in civic theater.

crazy how i said this, pretty much word for word, before but was destroyed on the board.

ASUHATER! wrote:crazy how i said this, pretty much word for word, before but was destroyed on the board.

gronk4heisman wrote:

ASUHATER! wrote:

Merkin wrote:

Beachcat97 wrote:

CalStateTempe wrote:Smith injured, BeachCat.

Wait...like badly injured? As in out for the season?

I don't expect Smith to ever play basketball again on a competitive level again. Seemed he wasn't in for 5 minutes and he tweaked his ankle, then he later tore up his knee. Player is glass, and needs to look out for his future health.

If he comes back again, and stays healthy, I would really be surprised.

Not a doctor, nor do I play one in civic theater.

crazy how i said this, pretty much word for word, before but was destroyed on the board.

Good call bro, you should be real proud of yourself.

ASUHATER! wrote:

gronk4heisman wrote:

ASUHATER! wrote:

Merkin wrote:
I don't expect Smith to ever play basketball again on a competitive level again. Seemed he wasn't in for 5 minutes and he tweaked his ankle, then he later tore up his knee. Player is glass, and needs to look out for his future health.

If he comes back again, and stays healthy, I would really be surprised.

Not a doctor, nor do I play one in civic theater.

crazy how i said this, pretty much word for word, before but was destroyed on the board.

Good call bro, you should be real proud of yourself.

i'm anything but proud. i'm extremely disappointed and sad for the kid. but it does prove how many people on this board, including people like you, are extremely arrogant, hypocritical and generally turds. but congrats on being a dick!

ASUHATER! wrote: i'm anything but proud. i'm extremely disappointed and sad for the kid. but it does prove how many people on this board, including people like you, are extremely arrogant, hypocritical and generally turds. but congrats on being a dick!

gronk4heisman wrote:

ASUHATER! wrote: i'm anything but proud. i'm extremely disappointed and sad for the kid. but it does prove how many people on this board, including people like you, are extremely arrogant, hypocritical and generally turds. but congrats on being a dick!

Arrogant, as in boasting you predicted an injury to make yourself feel better? That's like telling your wife on your wedding night you might get divorced at some point, and then when it happens telling her you told her so. And I am the dick? Was it clear to me that Ray was fragile and did I cringe every time he jumped in the Red/Blue game? Yes! Did I feel the need to post that and put the bad Mojo out there to inflate my own self worth? No!

Edit: I apologize this is in the Trier thread.

ASUHATER! wrote:

Merkin wrote:

Beachcat97 wrote:

CalStateTempe wrote:Smith injured, BeachCat.

Wait...like badly injured? As in out for the season?

I don't expect Smith to ever play basketball again on a competitive level again. Seemed he wasn't in for 5 minutes and he tweaked his ankle, then he later tore up his knee. Player is glass, and needs to look out for his future health.

If he comes back again, and stays healthy, I would really be surprised.

Not a doctor, nor do I play one in civic theater.

crazy how i said this, pretty much word for word, before but was destroyed on the board.

Chicat wrote:

ASUHATER! wrote:

Merkin wrote:

Beachcat97 wrote:

CalStateTempe wrote:Smith injured, BeachCat.

Wait...like badly injured? As in out for the season?

I don't expect Smith to ever play basketball again on a competitive level again. Seemed he wasn't in for 5 minutes and he tweaked his ankle, then he later tore up his knee. Player is glass, and needs to look out for his future health.

If he comes back again, and stays healthy, I would really be surprised.

Not a doctor, nor do I play one in civic theater.

crazy how i said this, pretty much word for word, before but was destroyed on the board.

Congrats on your big win.

luteformayor2 wrote:Asuhater, you are piece of work. Seriously go fuck yourself to sleep