Re: let's talk '18
Posted: Sun Dec 31, 2017 12:20 pm
Nor should they. Those takes are silly and have been since the beginning.Azgirl wrote:No Arizona is not going to do that..
Nor should they. Those takes are silly and have been since the beginning.Azgirl wrote:No Arizona is not going to do that..
Etop, the guy who runs the Compton Magic AAU program, has been behind the ASU bench in pretty much every one of their home games. That's not a coincidence. UCLA going to UnderArmour will benefit ASU greatly and it already has.RondaeShimmy wrote:asu is the only adidas west coast school, I expect them to land talent because of that
What irks me to no end about this whole situation is Book set up a deal with Adidas guys, a group of guys who benefit from recruits choosing the school 2 hours up north more than choosing us. Book went right into the snake's den and got what he deserved for doing so.UAEebs86 wrote:Wait, I thought the FBI and the NCAA were going to clean up all this shoe company shit?
No offense intended dmjcat but were you stoned when you wrote this? Good Lord, your roadmap is insanity IMO. Point #1 is ok but the rest is a train wreck and reeks of a guilty conscience and/or desperation.dmjcat wrote:Hank:Hank of sb wrote:CatHoops wrote:Why act now apparently we have no other players in question and book was fired asap. They can't take this year away from us if that's the case. Finish the year then impose something in the off season when all is quiet.
As for this year and 'players in question,' well that's the point.
The NCAA will have the final word but we can have the first word. I suggest we convey remorse and ANNOUNCE penalties for the future. It provides a form of local closure that might help with recruiting. There's no harm in trying as surely Book's actions will result in penalty, such as Spaceman Spiff suggested.
We are not taking away a thing (except scholarships).
The NCAA will do what it wants with this matter. But being first to acknowledge the obvious with some sort of serious sanction can't hurt. From my perspective, it takes off weight from the anvil over Arizona's head.
The sooner the better.
I completely agree that we need to get the FBI mess behind us the sooner the better. I do believe, however, that we need to approach self sanctions very carefully, or they could backfire on us. Here is my personal road map for dealing with this mess:
1) Complete the internal investigation ASAP
2) If the investigation shows that AZ is innocent forward the results to the NCAA ASAP and meet with them. Offer to
fund the cost of the NCAA's investigation in order to expedite it. Offer up Miller for a polygraph test
3) If the investigation finds that we are guilty then we should also forward the results to the NCAA. Meet with the NCAA in
person and offer to fund the NCAA's investigation in order to expedite it. Discuss what sanctions are appropriate. If giving
up the NCAA tourney for 18 will satisfy them we should jump on it. I do NOT think we should self sanction without consultation
with the NCAA. We could take a nasty self inflicted hit only to have the NCAA impose more sanctions at a later date.
Bottom line......we are better off taking sanctions sooner rather than later. If we don't we are going to be spending the next 2 or 3 seasons waiting to see if some skinny 3 star prospect is willing to take the risk of signing with us (be honest folks its already happening) while the scum up the road takes recruits we used to get (Cherry). I realize this plan isn't popular with the Instant Gratification message board crowd but its best for the UA in the long run. We NEED to get this behind us ASAP.
You’re being too gentle Choo...please take the gloves off and go full contact on this crap. As always, your insight/takes/analysis is very much appreciated. Happy New Year!ChooChooCat wrote:Good Christ we are not going to make Miller take a polygraph test. Absolutely insane take.
I missed that. Geez, that's funny. I guess instead of literally slapping Miller in the face, we should metaphorically do it instead. Maybe afterwards, we should make him wear a dog collar and leash and beg for his job.ChooChooCat wrote:Good Christ we are not going to make Miller take a polygraph test. Absolutely insane take.
Agree completely Choo----just nuts. Thanks for the observation.ChooChooCat wrote:Good Christ we are not going to make Miller take a polygraph test. Absolutely insane take.
What if we just have to play to his instincts?Chicat wrote:Let’s offer up CSM for a few waterboarding sessions. You know, to figuratively and literally wash the stink off the program.
What do you say guys? I mean, if it helped us get Bin Laden....
If Harris signed with Romar once, maybe he likes him enough to come here. A year learning the system as a red shirt should get him ready for a good sophomore year.Frybry02 wrote:I wonder if there is any mural interest
https://sports.yahoo.com/missouri-fresh ... 05516.html
Also played with Rawle at Word of God in Raleigh, so another connection to draw upon.DiehardDave37 wrote:If Harris signed with Romar once, maybe he likes him enough to come here. A year learning the system as a red shirt should get him ready for a good sophomore year.Frybry02 wrote:I wonder if there is any mural interest
https://sports.yahoo.com/missouri-fresh ... 05516.html
Good, I'd rather have him.ChooChooCat wrote:Devonaire Doutrive is a more realistic target as a combo guard.
CreightonChicat wrote:
What are we waiting for? Does anyone have a sense of who we are closest with?ChooChooCat wrote:Just offer Doutrive already FFS.
I just saw on ESPN that Cherry has committed to ASU.ChooChooCat wrote:Taeshon Cherry taking visits to ASU & Texas A&M. I wonder what those two schools have in common? Maybe we should ask TJ Leaf's dad about that.
Good!az91 wrote:I just saw on ESPN that Cherry has committed to ASU.ChooChooCat wrote:Taeshon Cherry taking visits to ASU & Texas A&M. I wonder what those two schools have in common? Maybe we should ask TJ Leaf's dad about that.
I must be missing something. How is it good that we just lost another 5-star? To ASU, no less.3goggles wrote:Good!az91 wrote:I just saw on ESPN that Cherry has committed to ASU.ChooChooCat wrote:Taeshon Cherry taking visits to ASU & Texas A&M. I wonder what those two schools have in common? Maybe we should ask TJ Leaf's dad about that.
You can’t lose what you never had, or what you never could have had.Beachcat97 wrote:I must be missing something. How is it good that we just lost another 5-star? To ASU, no less.3goggles wrote:Good!az91 wrote:I just saw on ESPN that Cherry has committed to ASU.ChooChooCat wrote:Taeshon Cherry taking visits to ASU & Texas A&M. I wonder what those two schools have in common? Maybe we should ask TJ Leaf's dad about that.
Got it. I thought we were recruiting Cherry.Chicat wrote:You can’t lose what you never had, or what you never could have had.Beachcat97 wrote:I must be missing something. How is it good that we just lost another 5-star? To ASU, no less.3goggles wrote:Good!az91 wrote:I just saw on ESPN that Cherry has committed to ASU.ChooChooCat wrote:Taeshon Cherry taking visits to ASU & Texas A&M. I wonder what those two schools have in common? Maybe we should ask TJ Leaf's dad about that.
Brady Leaf made it so only Adidas schools had a remote chance after every thing with SC fell apart, hence why it was ASU or A&M.
Got it. I thought we were recruiting Cherry.
I'd settle for Doutrive to be offered. At least fucking try...DiehardDave37 wrote:So, who are we after now? I believe in second chances, but no longer want Harris after the public reprimand. I still would like to see Doutrive signed.
That's a reach if I've ever seen one. He was a three star prospect - we don't offer every kid out of Mater Dei.DiehardDave37 wrote:Covers.com suggested that the Cal freshman forward who has been doing pretty well might be extra motivated tonight. He went to Miles' high school which seemed like a pipeline at one time. He lived in Phoenix for a few years, but was never offered. He may have something to prove to Miller and the recruiting staff.
Click on tweet to read the whole threadSpaceman Spiff wrote:https://mobile.twitter.com/ESPN_Schick/ ... gr%5Etweet
Fingers crossed this is true, because if true, it could really help our 2018 cause.
I love Miller, but disagree with him here. I love the idea that good academic performance (and good basketball performance) is incentivized. If you handle business in the classroom and on the court, you get broader ability to move to an9ther school if you so choose.YoDeFoe wrote:The talk of a transfer window is helpful, but it's like curing violence with an annual purge. It's horrible and free - but only briefly!
Miller said that allowing free transfer of players would make the the game "unrecognizable."
“If that rule passed, college basketball and college sports would change in such a drastic way that the new model would be unrecognizable to fans, coaches, universities, student-athletes and eventually the TV networks,” Miller told the Star. “I hope it never happens for all those who care about college sports.”
I'm with coach.
Recruiting would never end. Even after a playing starts his career with another program. There would be coaches constantly poaching other programs during the season with family members inquiring about playing time with another coach/team even within your own conference. I think it would be a disaster.midnightx wrote:Kids should be able to leave without penalty if the coach leaves, but aside from that, it is hard enough to build teams now with the one-and-done rule and kids leaving prematurely. Imagine kids being able to leave and transfer between programs with absolute ease, with no repercussions? It would be a mess.
ChooChooCat wrote:Just offer Doutrive already FFS.
Last year was similar, not specifically to the mountain schools, but we had something similar.Postmaster wrote:Does anyone think it's weird that we play the mountain schools next week before we play the L.A. schools or the Washington schools?
And the FBI is nowhere to be found...NYCat wrote:Zion Williamson to Duke holy crap, monster class.
And they can all academically qualify for one of the most difficult institutions in the nation. Yeah, right.U.P. Zona Fan wrote:What is that, #s 1,2,3,&10 recruits??? That's ridiculous. They gonna have anyone noteworthy back?