Who's staying? Who's going?

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Wed May 10, 2017 9:01 am

All it takes is one team to like a guy. But 2nd round status is obviously not great. I hope it works out for our guys. It's always a bummer when they drift into obscurity and unemployment within a few years.

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Wed May 10, 2017 10:12 am

Posse: "Don't listen to that noise, man! Prove 'em, wrong!"

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Wed May 10, 2017 10:13 am

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basket ... urn-school" target="_blank

A 6-foot-5 guard, Alkins averaged 10.9 PPG and 4.9 RPG. He is torn about whether to leave or go back to school. The Wildcats have Allonzo Trier coming back and will bring in talented big man DeAndre Ayton. Coach Sean Miller also might get Pittsburgh transfer Cam Johnson, so that could further complicate Alkins' role this coming season. "He needs to go back to school," every single NBA executive interviewed said. One added: "I love how hard he plays, but he doesn't really have a position."

Range: Mid to late second round
NBA says: Back to school

Why don't they say D-League, if that's the best place to develop?

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Wed May 10, 2017 11:26 am

gumby wrote:
Posse: "Don't listen to that noise, man! Prove 'em, wrong!"

I would hope Rawle listens. The whole idea of testing the waters is for that exact process to play out and the player to hear it directly from the people who will make the actual decision.

TucsonClip · Post by **TucsonClip** » Wed May 10, 2017 11:30 am

He needs to work really hard on his defense and keep improving his three-point shooting. His role should be as a strong, long, physical 3&D guy at the next level. He's not there yet and I dont think hes good enough with the ball, or athletic enough to overcome what he lacks in skill, to be anything else barring some massive improvements.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Wed May 10, 2017 11:31 am

gumby wrote:http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basket ... urn-school

A 6-foot-5 guard, Alkins averaged 10.9 PPG and 4.9 RPG. He is torn about whether to leave or go back to school. The Wildcats have Allonzo Trier coming back and will bring in talented big man DeAndre Ayton. Coach Sean Miller also might get Pittsburgh transfer Cam Johnson, so that could further complicate Alkins' role this coming season. "He needs to go back to school," every single NBA executive interviewed said. One added: "I love how hard he plays, but he doesn't really have a position."

Range: Mid to late second round
NBA says: Back to school
Why don't they say D-League, if that's the best place to develop?

I'd guess because they actually have to give him a spot and pay him in the D League. If they watch him develop in college, they get a free eval. If they like what they see, draft him. If not, don't.

The NBA is all about college for guy they're not 100% on. It's a free season long evaluative process that can save them a draft spot and/or money.

Bear Down Vegas · Post by **Bear Down Vegas** » Wed May 10, 2017 11:34 am

Wasn't Solomon Hill considered a "guy without a position" too? He stayed four...so it's not a good comparison in that way & he was bigger so his tweener status is not an apples to apples comparison either...but man. They remind me of each other in how hard they play & I can't stop coming back to thinking he really should come back & play for Miller for one more year - for him - not for my selfish reasons of wanting him to make a better team. He was my favorite this year & I honestly just want to see him do well. If he gets drafted by the Cavs for instance and gets a role & a chance to learn/grow on a good team - I'd be thrilled for him.

TucsonClip · Post by **TucsonClip** » Wed May 10, 2017 11:35 am

Because in order to control his rights in the G-League, they would have to give him a two-way contract. I doubt the scouts know exactly what GMs want to do with those two extra roster spots yet. But that certainly could be an option.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Wed May 10, 2017 11:39 am

TucsonClip wrote:Because in order to control his rights in the G-League, they would have to give him a two-way contract. I doubt the scouts know exactly what GMs want to do with those two extra roster spots yet. But that certainly could be an option.

Yeah, that's it. If an NBA team isn't sold, don't burn a spot. Let him develop in college, see how that goes, then pull the trigger.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Wed May 10, 2017 11:44 am

Wow. Rawle, dude...stay in school. One more year at AZ can do wonders for your career.

HiCat · Post by **HiCat** » Wed May 10, 2017 11:45 am

Spaceman Spiff wrote:
gumby wrote:
Posse: "Don't listen to that noise, man! Prove 'em, wrong!"
I would hope Rawle listens. The whole idea of testing the waters is for that exact process to play out and the player to hear it directly from the people who will make the actual decision.

Better decision for him is to come back. D league will be there later if he can't improve his ranking.

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Wed May 10, 2017 12:41 pm

Spaceman Spiff wrote:
gumby wrote:http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basket ... urn-school

A 6-foot-5 guard, Alkins averaged 10.9 PPG and 4.9 RPG. He is torn about whether to leave or go back to school. The Wildcats have Allonzo Trier coming back and will bring in talented big man DeAndre Ayton. Coach Sean Miller also might get Pittsburgh transfer Cam Johnson, so that could further complicate Alkins' role this coming season. "He needs to go back to school," every single NBA executive interviewed said. One added: "I love how hard he plays, but he doesn't really have a position."

Range: Mid to late second round
NBA says: Back to school
Why don't they say D-League, if that's the best place to develop?
I'd guess because they actually have to give him a spot and pay him in the D League. If they watch him develop in college, they get a free eval. If they like what they see, draft him. If not, don't.

The NBA is all about college for guy they're not 100% on. It's a free season long evaluative process that can save them a draft spot and/or money.

Not worth D-League. Hope they're that direct with players.

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Wed May 10, 2017 12:43 pm

TucsonClip wrote:Because in order to control his rights in the G-League, they would have to give him a two-way contract. I doubt the scouts know exactly what GMs want to do with those two extra roster spots yet. But that certainly could be an option.

What's the G-League and how many G-Spots are there?

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Wed May 10, 2017 12:53 pm

gumby wrote:
TucsonClip wrote:Because in order to control his rights in the G-League, they would have to give him a two-way contract. I doubt the scouts know exactly what GMs want to do with those two extra roster spots yet. But that certainly could be an option.
What's the G-League and how many G-Spots are there?

It actually doesn't exist. It's a myth.

Until October, 2017, at least.

84Cat · Post by **84Cat** » Wed May 10, 2017 12:59 pm

gumby wrote:
TucsonClip wrote:Because in order to control his rights in the G-League, they would have to give him a two-way contract. I doubt the scouts know exactly what GMs want to do with those two extra roster spots yet. But that certainly could be an option.
What's the G-League and how many G-Spots are there?

Beginning with the 2017-18 season, the NBA Development League (NBA D-League) will be renamed the NBA Gatorade League (NBA G-League) as part of a multiyear expanded partnership announced today by the National Basketball Association (NBA) and Gatorade. This marks the first time a U.S. professional sports league has named an entitlement partner.

http://www.nba.com/article/2017/02/14/n ... ade-league" target="_blank

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Wed May 10, 2017 1:01 pm

Thanks!

84Cat · Post by **84Cat** » Wed May 10, 2017 1:06 pm

gumby wrote:

Thanks!

Gumby bringing the heat

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Wed May 10, 2017 1:31 pm

Spaceman Spiff wrote:
gumby wrote:
TucsonClip wrote:Because in order to control his rights in the G-League, they would have to give him a two-way contract. I doubt the scouts know exactly what GMs want to do with those two extra roster spots yet. But that certainly could be an option.
What's the G-League and how many G-Spots are there?
It actually doesn't exist. It's a myth.

Until October, 2017, at least.

Fantastic post.

3goggles · Post by **3goggles** » Wed May 10, 2017 10:29 pm

I don't know how to post it but on Instagram coachryansilver posted a mock draft which looked like draft express having chance going @ pick 47.

EOCT · Post by **EOCT** » Thu May 11, 2017 9:00 am

gumby wrote:

Thanks!

OMG, Andy Kaufman found!

http://www.biography.com/people/andy-kaufman-9542253" target="_blank

Classic, Gumby!

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Thu May 11, 2017 10:09 am

3goggles wrote:I don't know how to post it but on Instagram coachryansilver posted a mock draft which looked like draft express having chance going @ pick 47.

It was nbadraft.net, not draftexpress, so anotherwords it's pure garbage and nothing anybody should pay attention to. Comanche is very likely going undrafted.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Thu May 11, 2017 10:11 am

Kobi Simmons
BodyFat 5%
HandLength 8.50
Height w/o Shoes 6' 3.25"
Reach 8' 3"
Weight 166.2
WingSpan 6' 6"

Kadeem Allen
BodyFat 6.4%
HandLength 8.50
Height w/o Shoes 6' 1"
Reach 8' 3.5"
Weight 192.4
WingSpan 6' 9.25"

Rawle Alkins
BodyFat 11%
HandLength 8.75
Height w/o Shoes 6' 2.5"
Reach 8' 3"
Weight 222.6
WingSpan 6' 8.75"

The wingspan for both Rawle and Kadeem considering their heights are impressive. Rawle's body fat is very bad for his position. Nothing else really sticks out.

TucsonClip · Post by **TucsonClip** » Thu May 11, 2017 10:46 am

ChooChooCat wrote:
3goggles wrote:I don't know how to post it but on Instagram coachryansilver posted a mock draft which looked like draft express having chance going @ pick 47.
Comanche is going undrafted.

FIFY

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Thu May 11, 2017 10:57 am

ChooChooCat wrote:Kobi Simmons
BodyFat 5%
HandLength 8.50
Height w/o Shoes 6' 3.25"
Reach 8' 3"
Weight 166.2
WingSpan 6' 6"

Kadeem Allen
BodyFat 6.4%
HandLength 8.50
Height w/o Shoes 6' 1"
Reach 8' 3.5"
Weight 192.4
WingSpan 6' 9.25"

Rawle Alkins
BodyFat 11%
HandLength 8.75
Height w/o Shoes 6' 2.5"
Reach 8' 3"
Weight 222.6
WingSpan 6' 8.75"

The wingspan for both Rawle and Kadeem considering their heights are impressive. Rawle's body fat is very bad for his position. Nothing else really sticks out.

Rawle's height is not ideal for a 2, but the wingspan helps. Frankly, Kadeem, Rawle and Kobi all give off the undersized 2 vibe.

TucsonClip · Post by **TucsonClip** » Thu May 11, 2017 10:59 am

ChooChooCat wrote:Kobi Simmons
BodyFat 5%
HandLength 8.50
Height w/o Shoes 6' 3.25"
Reach 8' 3"
Weight 166.2
WingSpan 6' 6"

Kadeem Allen
BodyFat 6.4%
HandLength 8.50
Height w/o Shoes 6' 1"
Reach 8' 3.5"
Weight 192.4
WingSpan 6' 9.25"

Rawle Alkins
BodyFat 11%
HandLength 8.75
Height w/o Shoes 6' 2.5"
Reach 8' 3"
Weight 222.6
WingSpan 6' 8.75"

The wingspan for both Rawle and Kadeem considering their heights are impressive. Rawle's body fat is very bad for his position. Nothing else really sticks out.

Alkins' hands are massive to go along with his impressive wingspan. This is why I was talking about him not being pigeonholed to SG at the next level over on the Scout forums.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Thu May 11, 2017 11:11 am

ChooChooCat wrote:Kobi Simmons
BodyFat 5%
HandLength 8.50
Height w/o Shoes 6' 3.25"
Reach 8' 3"
Weight 166.2
WingSpan 6' 6"

Kadeem Allen
BodyFat 6.4%
HandLength 8.50
Height w/o Shoes 6' 1"
Reach 8' 3.5"
Weight 192.4
WingSpan 6' 9.25"

Rawle Alkins
BodyFat 11%
HandLength 8.75
Height w/o Shoes 6' 2.5"
Reach 8' 3"
Weight 222.6
WingSpan 6' 8.75"

The wingspan for both Rawle and Kadeem considering their heights are impressive. Rawle's body fat is very bad for his position. Nothing else really sticks out.

Arizona listings:

Kobi 6'5"
Kadeem 6'3"
Rawle 6'5"

So about 2", typical, with shoes.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Thu May 11, 2017 11:11 am

TucsonClip wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
3goggles wrote:I don't know how to post it but on Instagram coachryansilver posted a mock draft which looked like draft express having chance going @ pick 47.
Comanche is going undrafted.
FIFY

I was just being nice

TucsonClip · Post by **TucsonClip** » Thu May 11, 2017 11:19 am

Here are all the measurements https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... d=88833405

Few things stand out to me:
Alkins measured 6'2.5" (6'3.75" shoes). A bit smaller than I thought. However, he has massive hands (10" width, which is tied for fourth with a bunch of guys) and has a 6'8.75" wingspan.
Kadeem's no shoes height (6'1") to wingspan (6'9.25") differential is elite.
Kobi also has some mits on him (8.5" length, 9.5" width) for a guard. Hes going to be average size as a comboguard (length, height, weight).

Anigbogu is 6'8.8" w/o shoes and a 7'6.25" wingspan.
Giles' hands are approaching Kawhi Leonard status and has the largest in the draft.

NYCat · Post by **NYCat** » Thu May 11, 2017 11:22 am

Merkin wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:Kobi Simmons
BodyFat 5%
HandLength 8.50
Height w/o Shoes 6' 3.25"
Reach 8' 3"
Weight 166.2
WingSpan 6' 6"

Kadeem Allen
BodyFat 6.4%
HandLength 8.50
Height w/o Shoes 6' 1"
Reach 8' 3.5"
Weight 192.4
WingSpan 6' 9.25"

Rawle Alkins
BodyFat 11%
HandLength 8.75
Height w/o Shoes 6' 2.5"
Reach 8' 3"
Weight 222.6
WingSpan 6' 8.75"

The wingspan for both Rawle and Kadeem considering their heights are impressive. Rawle's body fat is very bad for his position. Nothing else really sticks out.
Arizona listings:

Kobi 6'5"
Kadeem 6'3"
Rawle 6'5"

So about 2", typical, with shoes.

Actual size w shoes:

Kobi 6'4
Kadeem 6'2
Rawle 6'3

rgdeuce · Post by **rgdeuce** » Thu May 11, 2017 12:01 pm

Everyone adds an inch, but I have always thought 1.5 was a little questionable. But Rawle really went for 2.5 inches, didn't he?

prh · Post by **prh** » Thu May 11, 2017 12:43 pm

Anybody notice Kobi weighed in at 166? I mean, we all know he is thin and bouncy, but that's still shockingly low.

TucsonClip · Post by **TucsonClip** » Thu May 11, 2017 12:44 pm

prh wrote:Anybody notice Kobi weighed in at 166? I mean, we all know he is thin and bouncy, but that's still shockingly low.

Very low. The rest is average for a SG. Hes in the comboguard size, but really needs to add weight.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Thu May 11, 2017 12:45 pm

Somebody get Kobi a cheeseburger.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Thu May 11, 2017 12:49 pm

DraftExpress update today. Lauri and Kobi holding steady. Chance nowhere to be found. Rawle still 2018 class.

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Thu May 11, 2017 1:02 pm

Curious as to where they measure for the hand size and width?

NYCat · Post by **NYCat** » Thu May 11, 2017 1:04 pm

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Thu May 11, 2017 1:05 pm

Spaceman Spiff wrote:. Chance nowhere to be found.

Local travel agent?

TucsonClip · Post by **TucsonClip** » Thu May 11, 2017 1:23 pm

azcat49 wrote:Curious as to where they measure for the hand size and width?

Makes a big difference in a few areas actually. Being able to hold onto the ball driving to the basket, and also important on defense. Kawhi's massive hands allow him to swat balls away from perimeter guys driving.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Thu May 11, 2017 1:42 pm

Rawle put up 17 in the first game.

Main Event · Post by **Main Event** » Thu May 11, 2017 1:49 pm

NYCat · Post by **NYCat** » Thu May 11, 2017 1:51 pm

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Thu May 11, 2017 2:03 pm

How sweet of Rawle to give hope to the Arizona fans while simultaneously giving our wing recruits pause lol.

A1RZONA · Post by **A1RZONA** » Thu May 11, 2017 2:15 pm

ChooChooCat wrote:How sweet of Rawle to give hope to the Arizona fans while simultaneously giving our wing recruits pause lol.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Thu May 11, 2017 2:24 pm

NYCat wrote:
Merkin wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:Kobi Simmons
BodyFat 5%
HandLength 8.50
Height w/o Shoes 6' 3.25"
Reach 8' 3"
Weight 166.2
WingSpan 6' 6"

Kadeem Allen
BodyFat 6.4%
HandLength 8.50
Height w/o Shoes 6' 1"
Reach 8' 3.5"
Weight 192.4
WingSpan 6' 9.25"

Rawle Alkins
BodyFat 11%
HandLength 8.75
Height w/o Shoes 6' 2.5"
Reach 8' 3"
Weight 222.6
WingSpan 6' 8.75"

The wingspan for both Rawle and Kadeem considering their heights are impressive. Rawle's body fat is very bad for his position. Nothing else really sticks out.
Arizona listings:

Kobi 6'5"
Kadeem 6'3"
Rawle 6'5"

So about 2", typical, with shoes.
Actual size w shoes:

Kobi 6'4
Kadeem 6'2
Rawle 6'3

Never understood measuring them w/out shoes. Only people in Africa and Louisiana play basketball barefoot.

Jefe · Post by **Jefe** » Thu May 11, 2017 2:26 pm

Frank Jackson just blew past Kobi and embarrased him on an and 1. 5 on 5 drills on now. Kobi running and guarding point. Legs look like toothpicks, I seriously think he lost weight

http://www.espn.com/watch/?id=3023454" target="_blank

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Thu May 11, 2017 2:29 pm

Rawle went 7 of 10 for 18 points in the 5-on-5.

Jefe · Post by **Jefe** » Thu May 11, 2017 2:48 pm

Max Vertical

Rawle - 40.5"
Kobi - 38.5"
Dillon Brooks 37.5"
Kadeem - 35.5"

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Thu May 11, 2017 2:53 pm

Jefe wrote:Max Vertical

Rawle - 40.5"
Kobi - 38.5"
Dillon Brooks 37.5"
Kadeem - 35.5"

Wow I did not expect that for Rawle at all.

Jefe · Post by **Jefe** » Thu May 11, 2017 2:57 pm

Diallo did 44.5", wow. He is #1 in basically every test

Ya Rawle's last jump was his best. Currently 3rd overall out of everyone

TucsonClip · Post by **TucsonClip** » Thu May 11, 2017 4:27 pm

Diallo with the 2nd best max vert in combine history and with a 6'11.5" wingspan. Holy shit.

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