let's talk '17

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Wed Aug 03, 2016 9:34 am

I haven't seen 97 post much over at Scout either. Maybe there isn't much to say, or maybe he's busy with his own life.

KaibabKat · Post by **KaibabKat** » Wed Aug 03, 2016 9:53 am

Chicat wrote:I haven't seen 97 post much over at Scout either. Maybe there isn't much to say, or maybe he's busy with his own life.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Wed Aug 03, 2016 10:29 am

Beachcat97 wrote:
KaibabKat wrote:That is not the reason he doesn't come around very often anymore.
He used to be the most in-the-know insider, but it got to be less so recently.

That is really wrong. That's also not the sort of allegation you toss out as a casual fan. On the whole, I would advise ceasing to beat the drum about Rabb and JJ. It's not a good look for you.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Wed Aug 03, 2016 10:31 am

KaibabKat wrote:
Chicat wrote:I haven't seen 97 post much over at Scout either. Maybe there isn't much to say, or maybe he's busy with his own life.

Are you going to enlighten us? Or just keep pretending you know something?

Jefe · Post by **Jefe** » Wed Aug 03, 2016 11:37 am

Beachcat97 wrote:He used to be the most in-the-know insider, but it got to be less so recently.

Our roster is set and its too soon for '17

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Wed Aug 03, 2016 12:11 pm

Jefe wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:He used to be the most in-the-know insider, but it got to be less so recently.
Our roster is set and its too soon for '17

Left and right, guys are declaring their "favorites," trimming their "lists," etc. So '17 is very much upon us. Most likely, we're not "leading" or likely to get commitments from some of these top 20-ish guys. Miller will get a few, but they probably won't be AG or SJ level talent. We'll see.

And as for 97, I wish him well and pray he's healthy. Lots in life more important than hoops. Or maybe he just feels the discourse level here has sunken so low that he's lost interest.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Wed Aug 03, 2016 12:15 pm

Beachcat97 wrote:
Jefe wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:He used to be the most in-the-know insider, but it got to be less so recently.
Our roster is set and its too soon for '17
Left and right, guys are declaring their "favorites," trimming their "lists," etc. So '17 is very much upon us. Most likely, we're not "leading" or likely to get commitments from some of these top 20-ish guys. Miller will get a few, but they probably won't be AG or SJ level talent. We'll see.

And as for 97, I wish him well and pray he's healthy. Lots in life more important than hoops. Or maybe he just feels the discourse level here has sunken so low that he's lost interest.

Is the second paragraph in reference to the first paragraph?

pokinmik · Post by **pokinmik** » Wed Aug 03, 2016 12:22 pm

Bashing 97 after we didn't land Rabb or JJ is stupid BC. 97 gave us great info that we'd be right in the mix up until the end for both of those guys, and we were. These are teenagers getting pulled in a hundred directions...knowing early on that AZ is going to be there right until the final decision is made, with a damn good chance, is good enough info for me. 97 isn't a fucking oracle. He never said they were locks to us.

PennZona20 · Post by **PennZona20** » Wed Aug 03, 2016 12:28 pm

So why isn't 97 posting as often as normal?? Why all the secrecy and vague implications? Is this an Ace related thing?

I always valued his info even if it was vague and repetitive and some of his takes (PJC, York, etc) were kind of "dig your heels in" even when they played well.

Fishclamps · Post by **Fishclamps** » Wed Aug 03, 2016 1:47 pm

This thread seems to have gone right off the rails.

Main Event · Post by **Main Event** » Wed Aug 03, 2016 2:24 pm

Why is everyone losing it around here? lol chill

97cats · Post by **97cats** » Wed Aug 03, 2016 4:58 pm

i think you all are a bunch of jerks

IndianaZonaFan · Post by **IndianaZonaFan** » Wed Aug 03, 2016 5:13 pm

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Wed Aug 03, 2016 5:15 pm

Ever wonder what would happen if you dressed like this and ran for mayor?

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Wed Aug 03, 2016 6:36 pm

97cats wrote:i think you all are a bunch of jerks

A bunch of jerks who need football to start.

Puerco · Post by **Puerco** » Thu Aug 04, 2016 4:41 am

97cats wrote:i think you all are a bunch of jerks

Shut up, you. We want to hear what Kaibab has to say.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Thu Aug 04, 2016 11:18 am

Are we right where we want to be with anyone in the '17 class? Think that's sort of the point of this thread.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Thu Aug 04, 2016 12:56 pm

Beachcat97 wrote:Are we right where we want to be with anyone in the '17 class? Think that's sort of the point of this thread.

Were we ever where we wanted to be with a single one of our commitments in the 2016 class until they committed to us?

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Thu Aug 04, 2016 1:15 pm

Beachcat97 wrote:Are we right where we want to be with anyone in the '17 class? Think that's sort of the point of this thread.

Chill out on getting where we want to be with minors. They're children.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Thu Aug 04, 2016 2:46 pm

ChooChooCat wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:Are we right where we want to be with anyone in the '17 class? Think that's sort of the point of this thread.
Were we ever where we wanted to be with a single one of our commitments in the 2016 class until they committed to us?

Nope. The '16 class came together in a way that was very different from Miller's previous classes.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Thu Aug 04, 2016 3:28 pm

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Thu Aug 04, 2016 3:42 pm

That's creepy

az91 · Post by **az91** » Thu Aug 04, 2016 7:51 pm

Alieberman wrote:That's creepy

I'm just glad to see he doesn't have ASU or UCLA in his top 5.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Thu Aug 04, 2016 10:27 pm

az91 wrote:
Alieberman wrote:That's creepy
I'm just glad to see he doesn't have ASU or UCLA in his top 5.

When was the last time Miller lost a recruit to UCLA or ASU? We own them lately.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Fri Aug 05, 2016 6:46 am

Beachcat97 wrote:
az91 wrote:
Alieberman wrote:That's creepy
I'm just glad to see he doesn't have ASU or UCLA in his top 5.
When was the last time Miller lost a recruit to UCLA or ASU? We own them lately.

TJ Leaf.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Fri Aug 05, 2016 8:33 am

Spaceman Spiff wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:
az91 wrote:
Alieberman wrote:That's creepy
I'm just glad to see he doesn't have ASU or UCLA in his top 5.
When was the last time Miller lost a recruit to UCLA or ASU? We own them lately.
TJ Leaf.

No. He chose us first because we were his top school, so you can't really say they beat us, especially when we ended up with a better player in LM. Keep trying, though.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Fri Aug 05, 2016 8:42 am

So we beat them for his services even though he'll suit up for them this year?

That is some impressive logic, even for you.

threenumberones · Post by **threenumberones** » Fri Aug 05, 2016 8:48 am

Chicat wrote:So we beat them for his services even though he'll suit up for them this year?

That is some impressive logic, even for you.

Apparently BC applies sloppy seconds logic to recruiting.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Fri Aug 05, 2016 9:26 am

Beachcat97 wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:
az91 wrote:
Alieberman wrote:That's creepy
I'm just glad to see he doesn't have ASU or UCLA in his top 5.
When was the last time Miller lost a recruit to UCLA or ASU? We own them lately.
TJ Leaf.
No. He chose us first because we were his top school, so you can't really say they beat us, especially when we ended up with a better player in LM. Keep trying, though.

I don't really get how we didn't lose a recruit to UCLA when he committed here, decommitted, and wound up going to UCLA. I am a huge fan of Lauri's, but hey, we lost Leaf.

The world keeps spinning, though.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Fri Aug 05, 2016 9:32 am

BC must consider himself married to his college sweetheart even though they broke up and she married some other dude.

"Look, I didn't lose her to that guy . . . we just consciously uncoupled . . . but I still won in the end. See?"

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Fri Aug 05, 2016 10:07 am

Beachcat97 wrote:
az91 wrote:
Alieberman wrote:That's creepy
I'm just glad to see he doesn't have ASU or UCLA in his top 5.
When was the last time Miller lost a recruit to UCLA or ASU? We own them lately.

Ummmm really?

Jaylen Hands
Jalen Hill
TJ Leaf
Ike Anigbogu

All Compton Magic guys, but yeah...

Trevon Duval likely added to this list soon, but that's an UnderArmour thing.

Now that ASU is the only west coast Adidas school I'm sure they'll land a guy over us that they absolutely shouldn't due to shoe politics in the near future.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Fri Aug 05, 2016 10:22 am

Chicat wrote:BC must consider himself married to his college sweetheart even though they broke up and she married some other dude.

"Look, I didn't lose her to that guy . . . we just consciously uncoupled . . . but I still won in the end. See?"

The Leaf/Lauri thing is why it's silly to be freaking out about '17 recruiting early. Here's the timeline:

Leaf commits to AZ. We are super happy. We start threads about him being a stud.
Leaf decommits. We are devastated. We lose our respective minds.
Lauri commits. We don't really know him, so we kind of note it and move on.
Lauri starts displaying the talent Miller saw. We get really happy and start threads. Certain fans recast TJ decommitting as a happy thing where we moved onto something better.

Recruiting is a volatile world. Miller doesn't consistently land top 5 classes by accident. We need to let the man work.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Fri Aug 05, 2016 1:19 pm

I stand corrected. UCLA isn't just beating us recruiting-wise. They own us and it isn't close. It's surpsing how few players prefer AZ to UCLA.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Fri Aug 05, 2016 1:58 pm

Fishclamps · Post by **Fishclamps** » Fri Aug 05, 2016 8:10 pm

Beachcat97 wrote:I stand corrected. UCLA isn't just beating us recruiting-wise. They own us and it isn't close. It's surpsing how few players prefer AZ to UCLA.

This guy, I love this guy.

RichardCranium · Post by **RichardCranium** » Sat Aug 06, 2016 12:13 am

Fishclamps wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:I stand corrected. UCLA isn't just beating us recruiting-wise. They own us and it isn't close. It's surpsing how few players prefer AZ to UCLA.
This guy, I love this guy.

Don't forget to tip the waitress.

EVCat · Post by **EVCat** » Fri Aug 12, 2016 12:50 pm

I really don't get this "not getting his top target" bullshit...because that really is what it is...

Should Miller only make offers to 30-80 level players he knows he has? Would that make someone happy because he is then pulling in his top target?

The absurdity of this is really staggering...he made a run at the best player or top 5 player the last couple of years, and he wound up in the final race but didn't win it. So he is supposed to pull the top player in the country any time we are among the final 5? What about the teams that didn't get Josh Jackson and weren't even among his final schools? Did they fail even worse? Or do they get some weird pass from this line of thinking because they weren't even in the mix?

One school got JJ. Others didn't. Some big time names. Are they failures, or is this insane line of thinking only applicable to our head coach? We have a roster full of McD's AAs, top 5 national classes, and I am supposed to think lesser of the coach because he didn't get his top target along with about 100 other coaches?

Maybe I am not even expressing this right, because the absurdity of the entire concept is one I cannot even properly put into words. You are a failure for being successful, and successful if you don't even play, and despite the program having top 5 classes year in and year out, they are failures because the coach who did that didn't get the #1 overall player that also didn't go to 99% of the other schools, including 80% of the schools in the top 5?

It is just, absolutely the worst thing about today's college hoops fan and this masturbatory obsession with recruiting...

HiCat · Post by **HiCat** » Wed Aug 17, 2016 8:51 am

Ira Lee

Arizona
92%
http://247sports.com/Player/Ira-Lee-36577" target="_blank

list down to 5
http://www.azdesertswarm.com/2016/8/16/ ... final-five" target="_blank

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Wed Aug 17, 2016 11:58 am

Would be a nice start to our '17 class.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Wed Aug 17, 2016 5:43 pm

He's a west coast Craig Victor.

Frybry02 · Post by **Frybry02** » Wed Aug 17, 2016 7:18 pm

I'm curious how the recruiting of Duval and Preston shakes out since both attend Advanced Prepatory International.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Wed Aug 17, 2016 7:20 pm

Frybry02 wrote:I'm curious how the recruiting of Duval and Preston shakes out since both attend Advanced Prepatory International.

Kind of funny how all the words in Advanced Preparatory Academy are pretty much the opposite of what the "school" actually is or does.

az91 · Post by **az91** » Wed Aug 17, 2016 9:58 pm

ChooChooCat wrote:He's a west coast Craig Victor.

Is that a good or a bad thing?

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Thu Aug 18, 2016 8:17 am

az91 wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:He's a west coast Craig Victor.
Is that a good or a bad thing?

Good...assuming he does not transfer. Victor is a good player.

Jefe · Post by **Jefe** » Thu Aug 25, 2016 3:35 pm

Nova is leading but...

http://www.vuhoops.com/2016/8/25/126445 ... alker-list" target="_blank

5-star guard Lonnie Walker has cut his list to 5 schools. Villanova, Syracuse, Kentucky, Arizona and Miami (FL) remain in contention for Lonnie Walker per the Reading Eagle.

Walker has previously said he plans to make decision in the early signing period in November. The Reading (Pa.) product had a productive summer playing for Team Final (Pa.) on the Nike EYBL circuit which led to increased interest from the traditional powers in college basketball.

Now we wait for Walker’s official visit schedule, which should begin sometime in September. Villanova’s annual Hoops Mania event will likely be on Friday October 28, so that’s a good bet for when we might see him visit.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Thu Aug 25, 2016 8:02 pm

Only chance we got is if he goes outside of PA for his senior year.

Main Event · Post by **Main Event** » Fri Aug 26, 2016 5:08 pm

whatisee · Post by **whatisee** » Fri Aug 26, 2016 5:32 pm

Fantastic get IMO. Should be a star at Arizona

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Fri Aug 26, 2016 5:44 pm

Early leader for most hated white bball player nationally in 2021 lol. Great get.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Fri Aug 26, 2016 5:59 pm

Barcello is one of those 4 year guys that can build stability in a program.

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