Re: let's talk '21
Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2020 3:25 pm
Good odds another one joins him by next month.
Choo, assume you are referring to Gregg, although I would hope for Mashack.ChooChooCat wrote:Good odds another one joins him by next month.
At this moment I wouldn’t bet on landing Mashack, there’s still time though. I haven’t heard anything on Houstan.baycat93 wrote:Choo, assume you are referring to Gregg, although I would hope for Mashack.ChooChooCat wrote:Good odds another one joins him by next month.
Hearing anything on Caleb Houstan? He seems like a good roster fit skillwise/need.
Damn, disappointing on Mashack. Seems a prototypical CSM player. Would be great to have a couple of young dogs like simpson and mashack coming off the bench behind akinjo / kerrChooChooCat wrote:At this moment I wouldn’t bet on landing Mashack, there’s still time though. I haven’t heard anything on Houstan.baycat93 wrote:Choo, assume you are referring to Gregg, although I would hope for Mashack.ChooChooCat wrote:Good odds another one joins him by next month.
Hearing anything on Caleb Houstan? He seems like a good roster fit skillwise/need.
Rick Barnes is selling some good shit down in Knoxville. I’m just not sure what shit it is.baycat93 wrote:Damn, disappointing on Mashack. Seems a prototypical CSM player. Would be great to have a couple of young dogs like simpson and mashack coming off the bench behind akinjo / kerrChooChooCat wrote:At this moment I wouldn’t bet on landing Mashack, there’s still time though. I haven’t heard anything on Houstan.baycat93 wrote:Choo, assume you are referring to Gregg, although I would hope for Mashack.ChooChooCat wrote:Good odds another one joins him by next month.
Hearing anything on Caleb Houstan? He seems like a good roster fit skillwise/need.
My guess is 4. Too early to say on who transfers/goes pro.azcat49 wrote:So Choo, we have only two “ships” given the roster make up currently. Just seems doubtful that’s all we sign. Give us your best guess on how many we sign and maybe a thought or two on how we get to that number(who is likely to go pro or transfer)?
I saw kennedy chandler list Mashack and Banchero as guys he is recruiting to come play with him. Both near perfect fits for next years roster unfortunately.ChooChooCat wrote:Rick Barnes is selling some good shit down in Knoxville. I’m just not sure what shit it is.baycat93 wrote:Damn, disappointing on Mashack. Seems a prototypical CSM player. Would be great to have a couple of young dogs like simpson and mashack coming off the bench behind akinjo / kerrChooChooCat wrote:At this moment I wouldn’t bet on landing Mashack, there’s still time though. I haven’t heard anything on Houstan.baycat93 wrote:Choo, assume you are referring to Gregg, although I would hope for Mashack.ChooChooCat wrote:Good odds another one joins him by next month.
Hearing anything on Caleb Houstan? He seems like a good roster fit skillwise/need.
Yeah we're not getting Banchero. Mashack being a Tennessee lean was not something I saw coming, but here we are.baycat93 wrote:
I saw kennedy chandler list Mashack and Banchero as guys he is recruiting to come play with him. Both near perfect fits for next years roster unfortunately.
Merkin wrote:ChooChooCat wrote:I’d feel good about it.BeardownZonaZona wrote:Kenneth Simpson Jr is commiting tomorrow, 4 star kid. We gave him a virtual tour a couple months back. Any shot we land him?
Committed per Scheer!
Wow. What was Loren Woods wingspan?dmjcat wrote:So what I do find particularly like with Jamarion? Well aside from standing an impressive 7-feet-2-inches 220 pounds, Jamarion also has tremendous length, with an official wingspan of 7-feet-7-inches!
Some site had Loren’s wingspan at 89.5”, just about 7’5”.Jefe wrote:Wow. What was Loren Woods wingspan?dmjcat wrote:So what I do find particularly like with Jamarion? Well aside from standing an impressive 7-feet-2-inches 220 pounds, Jamarion also has tremendous length, with an official wingspan of 7-feet-7-inches!
Miller and Phelps are still more than cool. Nah, Phelps will have literally zero impact on a recruitment that’s literally about over.NickyBCats wrote:Nathan Bittle just transferred to Prolific Prep. Mark Phelps was just hired as the head coach there yesterday. Choo, 2 questions. How is the relationship with Miller and Phelps? Does this help our chances in any way? Any feedback is appreciated.
good to hear miller and phelps are still on good terms for future recruitments.ChooChooCat wrote:Miller and Phelps are still more than cool. Nah, Phelps will have literally zero impact on a recruitment that’s literally about over.NickyBCats wrote:Nathan Bittle just transferred to Prolific Prep. Mark Phelps was just hired as the head coach there yesterday. Choo, 2 questions. How is the relationship with Miller and Phelps? Does this help our chances in any way? Any feedback is appreciated.
So no chance on Bittle? He looks good.ChooChooCat wrote:Miller and Phelps are still more than cool. Nah, Phelps will have literally zero impact on a recruitment that’s literally about over.NickyBCats wrote:Nathan Bittle just transferred to Prolific Prep. Mark Phelps was just hired as the head coach there yesterday. Choo, 2 questions. How is the relationship with Miller and Phelps? Does this help our chances in any way? Any feedback is appreciated.
ChooChooCat wrote:Miller and Phelps are still more than cool. Nah, Phelps will have literally zero impact on a recruitment that’s literally about over.NickyBCats wrote:Nathan Bittle just transferred to Prolific Prep. Mark Phelps was just hired as the head coach there yesterday. Choo, 2 questions. How is the relationship with Miller and Phelps? Does this help our chances in any way? Any feedback is appreciated.
Oregon.Beachcat97 wrote:So no chance on Bittle? He looks good.ChooChooCat wrote:Miller and Phelps are still more than cool. Nah, Phelps will have literally zero impact on a recruitment that’s literally about over.NickyBCats wrote:Nathan Bittle just transferred to Prolific Prep. Mark Phelps was just hired as the head coach there yesterday. Choo, 2 questions. How is the relationship with Miller and Phelps? Does this help our chances in any way? Any feedback is appreciated.
Definitely feels slumpish. Losing out on guys like Mashack is concerning. Have to imagine the NOA hanging over the programs head is part of all of this. Hope DukieV is right and that thing is about to drop.gronk4heisman wrote:So back to back years of strike outs on all the top guys? Is this a truly concerted effort to not recruit one and dones or are we in a recruiting slump? Multiple year players are great but I still think you need a few stars to win big.
Fair response CCC. and great point on Terry.ChooChooCat wrote:Do any of you guys really believe that say if Terry and/or Mathurin left that Sean Miller would not be able to find a capable replacement even at the last second? How many of you heard of Kerr Kriisa, Azuolas Tubelis (you still can’t pronounce his name correctly), Ben Mathurin, etc., at this point last year? There are certainly obvious reasons for our slump with certain guys and you all have already pointed them out, but this is a very resourceful staff and one guy hasn’t even gotten his feet on the ground in regards to recruiting yet (Terry). I wouldn’t stress one bit. As it is we have good odds of receiving good news next month.
But...but!! We need 5 star OADs so we can flame out and then complain we don't recruit multi-year guys!!ChooChooCat wrote:Do any of you guys really believe that say if Terry and/or Mathurin left that Sean Miller would not be able to find a capable replacement even at the last second? How many of you heard of Kerr Kriisa, Azuolas Tubelis (you still can’t pronounce his name correctly), Ben Mathurin, etc., at this point last year? There are certainly obvious reasons for our slump with certain guys and you all have already pointed them out, but this is a very resourceful staff and one guy hasn’t even gotten his feet on the ground in regards to recruiting yet (Terry). I wouldn’t stress one bit. As it is we have good odds of receiving good news next month.
For once, I actually agree with Choo. Strange thing is, we have another big three this year (Mathurin, Tubelis, Akinjo), they're just not as heralded as last years. Mathurin is slated to go late in the first round next year. And in many ways I like Tubelis more than Zeke. And Akinjo is better than Remy, although many people are sleeping on him. The one big difference though is we have quality depth this year versus just depth with experience. Both Akinjo and Kriisa are NBA quality guards, something we've never had before.ChooChooCat wrote:Do any of you guys really believe that say if Terry and/or Mathurin left that Sean Miller would not be able to find a capable replacement even at the last second? How many of you heard of Kerr Kriisa, Azuolas Tubelis (you still can’t pronounce his name correctly), Ben Mathurin, etc., at this point last year? There are certainly obvious reasons for our slump with certain guys and you all have already pointed them out, but this is a very resourceful staff and one guy hasn’t even gotten his feet on the ground in regards to recruiting yet (Terry). I wouldn’t stress one bit. As it is we have good odds of receiving good news next month.
As of this moment there’s no surprises or anything. Too early to need one of those. You literally know of every thing going down.baycat93 wrote:Fair response CCC. and great point on Terry.ChooChooCat wrote:Do any of you guys really believe that say if Terry and/or Mathurin left that Sean Miller would not be able to find a capable replacement even at the last second? How many of you heard of Kerr Kriisa, Azuolas Tubelis (you still can’t pronounce his name correctly), Ben Mathurin, etc., at this point last year? There are certainly obvious reasons for our slump with certain guys and you all have already pointed them out, but this is a very resourceful staff and one guy hasn’t even gotten his feet on the ground in regards to recruiting yet (Terry). I wouldn’t stress one bit. As it is we have good odds of receiving good news next month.
Is the good news Ben Gregg (mid level 4*) or something more intriguing.
I'm trying to figure out why it didn't hurt UNC when that program was under scrutiny and facing potential sanctions during the academic scandal, or how Louisville and Kansas have continued to recruit well under the same FBI cloud. Arizona seems like it is the one program that has been hurt the most under the investigation cloud.Beachcat97 wrote:Of course it's slumpish, guys. I even wonder if some of our recent international recruiting success has to do with these guys being less familiar with the ESPN smears and residual anti-AZ vibe stemming from the FBI thing. Not sure how many of these Euros know who Book Richardson is.
Miller's now being given time to try a different approach to winning: target mainly 3 to 4 year players, lots of international recruiting, emphasis on player development. No idea how many seasons of finishing 4th or lower is going to cut it. Barring a FF run in the next two to three seasons, it still feels like a coaching change is on the horizon.
Eh UNC’s situation didn’t get half the media play ours did. They were confident in a positive outcome too and they were right. As far as Louisville goes, they changed coaches and we didn’t. As far as Kansas goes they did land one five star last year and then three 3 stars. This year they have two mid level 4 stars, which is similar to what we’re gonna be looking at at the very least. Also Kansas is Kansas.midnightx wrote:I'm trying to figure out why it didn't hurt UNC when that program was under scrutiny and facing potential sanctions during the academic scandal, or how Louisville and Kansas have continued to recruit well under the same FBI cloud. Arizona seems like it is the one program that has been hurt the most under the investigation cloud.Beachcat97 wrote:Of course it's slumpish, guys. I even wonder if some of our recent international recruiting success has to do with these guys being less familiar with the ESPN smears and residual anti-AZ vibe stemming from the FBI thing. Not sure how many of these Euros know who Book Richardson is.
Miller's now being given time to try a different approach to winning: target mainly 3 to 4 year players, lots of international recruiting, emphasis on player development. No idea how many seasons of finishing 4th or lower is going to cut it. Barring a FF run in the next two to three seasons, it still feels like a coaching change is on the horizon.
If you're talking about recruiting rankings, I wouldn't say we're struggling unless Top 3 is the expectation. This is subjective depending on which ranking service you're looking at, but according to 24/7 rankings (they were the first one to pop up), we've beat everyone below the last 4 years. I realize some of these are based on total recruit points, not necessary quality, and a teams needs and scholie availability come into play, but the 4 year average should take that into account for all the schools below.midnightx wrote:I'm trying to figure out why it didn't hurt UNC when that program was under scrutiny and facing potential sanctions during the academic scandal, or how Louisville and Kansas have continued to recruit well under the same FBI cloud. Arizona seems like it is the one program that has been hurt the most under the investigation cloud.
I'd never doubt Miller's recruiting ability. It's beyond question.ChooChooCat wrote:Do any of you guys really believe that say if Terry and/or Mathurin left that Sean Miller would not be able to find a capable replacement even at the last second? How many of you heard of Kerr Kriisa, Azuolas Tubelis (you still can’t pronounce his name correctly), Ben Mathurin, etc., at this point last year? There are certainly obvious reasons for our slump with certain guys and you all have already pointed them out, but this is a very resourceful staff and one guy hasn’t even gotten his feet on the ground in regards to recruiting yet (Terry). I wouldn’t stress one bit. As it is we have good odds of receiving good news next month.
That's great news. Gregg looks very promising. Haven't watched Holmes yet.ChooChooCat wrote:Don’t look now, but both Daron Holmes and Ben Gregg have crystal ball picks for Arizona on Rivals now.
ChooChooCat wrote:Don’t look now, but both Daron Holmes and Ben Gregg have crystal ball picks for Arizona on Rivals now.
It could certainly complicate things as they’re a “dream school” for him. I guess it just depends how slighted he feels to only get an offer literally two weeks before he announces and if they can make up on the strong relationship he has with the AZ staff. We’ll see.azcat49 wrote:ChooChooCat wrote:Don’t look now, but both Daron Holmes and Ben Gregg have crystal ball picks for Arizona on Rivals now.
Gonzaga just offered the Oregon kid. Any worries there Choo?
Well sounds like he’s not slighted at all by the late offer. Oh well.ChooChooCat wrote:It could certainly complicate things as they’re a “dream school” for him. I guess it just depends how slighted he feels to only get an offer literally two weeks before he announces and if they can make up on the strong relationship he has with the AZ staff. We’ll see.azcat49 wrote:ChooChooCat wrote:Don’t look now, but both Daron Holmes and Ben Gregg have crystal ball picks for Arizona on Rivals now.
Gonzaga just offered the Oregon kid. Any worries there Choo?
Big “undefeated in conference” energy?ChooChooCat wrote:Well sounds like he’s not slighted at all by the late offer. Oh well.ChooChooCat wrote:It could certainly complicate things as they’re a “dream school” for him. I guess it just depends how slighted he feels to only get an offer literally two weeks before he announces and if they can make up on the strong relationship he has with the AZ staff. We’ll see.azcat49 wrote:ChooChooCat wrote:Don’t look now, but both Daron Holmes and Ben Gregg have crystal ball picks for Arizona on Rivals now.
Gonzaga just offered the Oregon kid. Any worries there Choo?
Family is from Spokane.prh wrote:Gonzaga being a dream school sounds kinda lame. Even with our recent struggles, we still have more players currently in the NBA, we still play on a bigger stage, we still get more exposure. I can understand if someone would rather play for Mark Few or the program in general, but "dream school" seems silly.
azcat49 wrote:Choo is he still our to lose?
Ahh thanks Choo, I suppose that’s more reasonable then.ChooChooCat wrote:Family is from Spokane.prh wrote:Gonzaga being a dream school sounds kinda lame. Even with our recent struggles, we still have more players currently in the NBA, we still play on a bigger stage, we still get more exposure. I can understand if someone would rather play for Mark Few or the program in general, but "dream school" seems silly.
And that should be a huge problem for Cat fans.Beachcat97 wrote:There had to be *some* kind of fallout from the scandal, right? Not saying the scandal directly caused us to lose this recruit. It didn't. But it feels disingenuous to say we haven't skipped a beat recruiting-wise.
Also, losing a recruit to Gonzaga these days shouldn't be surprising. They're the current strongest program in the West. It's not even close, really.
I have very little doubt that AZ will re-emerge as the top program in the West, just not sure when. I'm inclined to say it won't happen under Sean Miller, but who knows? But no other program in our region has the natural advantages, history, resources and support that AZ does, including UCLA. May be a while, but we'll be back.SCCats wrote:And that should be a huge problem for Cat fans.Beachcat97 wrote:There had to be *some* kind of fallout from the scandal, right? Not saying the scandal directly caused us to lose this recruit. It didn't. But it feels disingenuous to say we haven't skipped a beat recruiting-wise.
Also, losing a recruit to Gonzaga these days shouldn't be surprising. They're the current strongest program in the West. It's not even close, really.
But apparently it isn’t; keeping on keepin on is apparently what people want.
The 8th best program in the nation needs to stop functioning like the 25th best program in the nation.Beachcat97 wrote:I have very little doubt that AZ will re-emerge as the top program in the West, just not sure when. I'm inclined to say it won't happen under Sean Miller, but who knows? But no other program in our region has the natural advantages, history, resources and support that AZ does, including UCLA. May be a while, but we'll be back.SCCats wrote:And that should be a huge problem for Cat fans.Beachcat97 wrote:There had to be *some* kind of fallout from the scandal, right? Not saying the scandal directly caused us to lose this recruit. It didn't. But it feels disingenuous to say we haven't skipped a beat recruiting-wise.
Also, losing a recruit to Gonzaga these days shouldn't be surprising. They're the current strongest program in the West. It's not even close, really.
But apparently it isn’t; keeping on keepin on is apparently what people want.