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Re: Let's talk '23

Posted: Wed May 24, 2023 6:25 pm
by Merkin
George Costanza wrote: Wed May 24, 2023 5:49 pm
U.P. Zona Fan wrote: Wed May 24, 2023 4:18 pm He also took 96 shots per game to average 16.
Damn I thought I was a chucker.
Well done!


Re: Let's talk '23

Posted: Wed May 24, 2023 7:23 pm
by dmjcat
U.P. Zona Fan wrote: Wed May 24, 2023 4:18 pm He also took 96 shots per game to average 16.

He is fantastic when he is hot, but when he is not, ooh, can really negatively impact the team. I'm not hating on him, and he could have a great season and be awesome.

Maybe we could play him like Kansas played Remy Martin. That worked out for them pretty well.
Completely agree. He does not appear, to me, to be a good fit for this roster. Factor in his rather poor shooting from 3 and I would rather
recruit this guy:

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-baske ... te-calmese

Calmese is a better shooter from 3, and hails from Arizona. No doubt Love is a better athlete and probably a better defender but I think Calmese would be a better fit.

Re: Let's talk '23

Posted: Wed May 24, 2023 8:58 pm
by SunnyAZ
PHXCATS wrote: Wed May 24, 2023 5:26 pm Obviously Lloyd has a plan and has run it by everyone involved..my initial thought though would be Larson coming off the bench but still playing 30 minutes a game if Love commitment
Bradley would obvi come off the bench. Dude was benched last year, he isn't a sure fire starter level player.

Re: Let's talk '23

Posted: Wed May 24, 2023 10:21 pm
by Postmaster
ChooChooCat wrote: Wed May 24, 2023 12:08 pm
Postmaster wrote: Wed May 24, 2023 12:07 pm What happened with Michigan?
He didn't have the grades to get into Michigan via transfer. Wouldn't be a problem at Arizona.
How did they not figured out before he declared at Michigan?

Re: Let's talk '23

Posted: Wed May 24, 2023 10:23 pm
by Postmaster
Did the Dunn kid choose somewhere else?

Re: Let's talk '23

Posted: Thu May 25, 2023 7:58 am
by IndianaZonaFan
Imagine a world where the basketball gods allowed Arizona to add Julian Phillips and Caleb Love and have little Tubelis offer to become a walk-on.

Imagine everyone on the team put their egos aside…and we’re content to come off the bench if/when needed.

Guards: Bradley, Love, Boswell
Wings: Pelle, Phillips, Lewis, Murauskas
Forwards: Johnson, Borovicanin
Bigs: Ballo, Veesaar, Krivas, Anderson

That team is insane…

But again I’m still dreaming.

Re: Let's talk '23

Posted: Thu May 25, 2023 8:31 am
by dmjcat

Re: Let's talk '23

Posted: Thu May 25, 2023 9:30 am
by arizonawildcats

Re: Let's talk '23

Posted: Thu May 25, 2023 10:04 am
by arizonawildcats

Re: Let's talk '23

Posted: Thu May 25, 2023 10:09 am
by 84Cat
Are we worried about Jamari Phillips at all? Our backcourt is looking pretty full and all of them could be back in 2024 or do we expect a guard or 2 to leave after this season?

Re: Let's talk '23

Posted: Thu May 25, 2023 11:04 am
by arizonawildcats
84Cat wrote: Thu May 25, 2023 10:09 am Are we worried about Jamari Phillips at all? Our backcourt is looking pretty full and all of them could be back in 2024 or do we expect a guard or 2 to leave after this season?
My guess is Love would leave for the draft after next season and not impact Phillips. Eric Bossi mentioned on the 247 board that Love is expected to visit on Saturday.

Re: Let's talk '23

Posted: Thu May 25, 2023 11:22 am
by PHXCATS
Lloyd has a plan. I trust Lloyd. So not worried about that shit at all.

My guess is Boswell will want this to be his last year in college as well but trust Lloyd

Re: Let's talk '23

Posted: Thu May 25, 2023 11:59 am
by TheCat
SunnyAZ wrote: Wed May 24, 2023 8:58 pm
PHXCATS wrote: Wed May 24, 2023 5:26 pm Obviously Lloyd has a plan and has run it by everyone involved..my initial thought though would be Larson coming off the bench but still playing 30 minutes a game if Love commitment
Bradley would obvi come off the bench. Dude was benched last year, he isn't a sure fire starter level player.
I think you are totally wrong. This guy started 20+ games for the team that was ranked number 1 for most of the year. 24/7 had him as the number 1 point guard out of high school. He slipped greatly at the end of the year and was replaced by Q (who we recruited hard). Most growth should come between freshman and sophomore year so we will see. Got lots of competition early so it will be a good test of our entire team.

Re: Let's talk '23

Posted: Thu May 25, 2023 1:38 pm
by arizonawildcats

Re: Let's talk '23

Posted: Thu May 25, 2023 1:54 pm
by dmjcat
arizonawildcats wrote: Thu May 25, 2023 1:38 pm
Appears to be 2023. The 247 article states that we now have 1 scholy remaining and that Caleb Love is visiting this weekend.
I find this signing a bit underwhelming........there are much better options still in the portal.

Re: Let's talk '23

Posted: Thu May 25, 2023 4:34 pm
by Postmaster
That guy looks so young, he won’t even be allowed in Dirt Bags.

Re: Let's talk '23

Posted: Thu May 25, 2023 5:12 pm
by Beachcat97
Tommy's international recruiting is truly something to behold.

Re: Let's talk '23

Posted: Thu May 25, 2023 5:44 pm
by IndianaZonaFan
The other euro players in the ‘23 class are 2004, right?

Re: Let's talk '23

Posted: Thu May 25, 2023 6:19 pm
by RondaeShimmy
Ok so...

1. Boswell - G
2. Bradley.- G
3. Larsson - G/Wing
4. Johnson - Wing/forward
5. Ballo - C

6. Lewis - wing (a small one)
7. Murauskas - wing/forward
8. Veesaar - C
9. Krivas - C

10. Borovicanin - Wing
11. Martinez - G
12. Anderson - C

13. ____ Love? (G)

I pretty much expect Borovicanin, Martinez, and Anderson to get no playing time. Krivas also ver few if Veesaar takes a sophomore leap.

Murauskas should play backup 3/4

Lloyd is loaded up on guards and centers, the guard part of it is good, but he should trade 2-3 of those centers for wings.

Re: Let's talk '23

Posted: Thu May 25, 2023 6:28 pm
by U.P. Zona Fan
So does Tautvilas not get a scholly next year if we pick up Love?

Re: Let's talk '23

Posted: Thu May 25, 2023 7:17 pm
by arizonawildcats
If Spanish point guard Conrad Martinez brings some mystery to the Arizona Wildcats next season, at least some other things are now clearer.

The 6-foot Spanish point guard posted to Instagram on Thursday that he would not return to his club team next season, while Eurohopes and 247Sports' Wildcat Authority reported that he has committed to Arizona.

If so, that means:

• Tommy Lloyd’s 2022 summer vacation turned out to be both relaxing and productive.

While most U.S. college coaches were focused on the club-ball calendar early last July, Lloyd took off for Malaga, Spain, and brought family along while he took in the beaches, Mediterranean vibe, weather and … FIBA ball.

The FIBA U17 World Cup, that is. In that event, Martinez led the home-country team to a silver medal while averaging 9.1 points, 3.9 assists and 2.0 rebounds and shooting 23.5% from 3-point range.

In Spain's loss to USA in the final, Martinez also had a chance to match up against many top U.S. college recruiting targets, including Gilbert Perry five-star forward Koa Peat, collecting nine points and six assists along with four turnovers.

While Arizona hasn’t confirmed Martinez’s reported commitment, indicating it has not yet received his paperwork and/or other minor issues left to resolve, Lloyd likely saw something he liked in Martinez, a developmental prospect who is initially expected to add depth to a backcourt that lost starters Kerr Kriisa and Courtney Ramey from last season.

This past season, according to Eurobasket, Martinez averaged 16.6 points while shooting 35.7% from 3-point range in the Adidas Next Generation Tournament. Over Spain's EBA season, he averaged 17.0 points over 22 games while playing for the Juventut youth club outside of Barcelona.

• Azuolas Tubelis isn’t coming back.

That’s been the firm expectation for the past month or so and, while Tubelis said at the NBA Draft Combine last week he still had until May 31 to make a decision before the NCAA’s withdrawal deadline, the Wildcats’ recruiting movement indicates they are moving on.

Martinez would give Arizona 12 players lined up for next season without Tubelis or his brother, Tautvilas. That's just one shy of the scholarship maximum, and the Wildcats have also been pursuing other players who could fill the final spot.

At the combine, Azuolas Tubelis said Tautvilas will stay with the Wildcats next season. So if UA doesn’t add any more scholarship players, it could offer him another year of a scholarship. Otherwise, the Wildcats are expected to shift Tautvilas into another role with the program.


• There’s still recruiting work to be done.

Arizona reportedly is one of three final choices for North Carolina transfer guard Caleb Love, who led the Tar Heels in scoring last season, then announced a transfer to Michigan before decommitting from the Wolverines last week. Love would be expected to give UA a significant scoring punch.

Arizona has also contacted another North Carolina transfer, former Marana High School standout D’Marco Dunn, though Martinez’s arrival might threaten interest on both sides.

Meanwhile, 247Sports reported Thursday that UA is one of more than two dozen schools to inquire about Tennessee transfer forward Julian Phillips — if he doesn’t stay in the NBA Draft.

• The Wildcats can go five-on-five in practice.

After having just seven projected players on the 2023-24 roster entering the month of May, Arizona now has depth at every position, regardless of what Love does.

At the two guard spots, UA already has rising sophomore Kylan Boswell, Alabama transfer Jaden Bradley and incoming freshman KJ Lewis — and now Martinez. Meanwhile, its bigger wings include senior Pelle Larsson, sophomore Filip Borovicanin and Lithuanian sharpshooter Paulius Murauskas.

SDSU transfer Keshad Johnson could play either forward spot, while UA's big post players include senior Oumar Ballo, sophomores Henri Veesaar and Dylan Anderson and Lithuanian freshman 7-footer Motiejus Krivas.

• The scholarship penalty has already been taken care of.

When the Independent Accountability Resolution Process handed Arizona sanctions from its years-old NCAA infractions case last December, one of them was that the program had to lose a scholarship for either the 2022-23 or 2023-24 seasons.

Since the Wildcats had only 12 players on scholarship last season, that suggested they were already satisfying the requirement before it was announced. But neither the IARP nor UA would confirm if it counted.

The IARP referred comment to Arizona on whether the school had officially satisfied the requirement, and initial attempts to get confirmation from Arizona were unsuccessful. On Thursday, Arizona still declined to say.

In any case, actions are speaking louder than words. The Wildcats are behaving as if they have 13 scholarships to offer, meaning the IARP sanctions will have no effect on the 2023-24 team.

In what will be Lloyd's first UA team entirely made up of players he recruited, the 2023-24 Wildcats now will have 12 or 13 players, including at least six newcomers and seven internationals.


Rim shot
Jim Rosborough, a longtime Arizona assistant coach under former Arizona coach Lute Olson, was formally inducted into the A Step Up Assistant Coaches Hall of Fame this week after being selected in March. Lloyd and UA assistant coach Steve Robinson are also members.

Re: Let's talk '23

Posted: Thu May 25, 2023 9:24 pm
by dmjcat
U.P. Zona Fan wrote: Thu May 25, 2023 6:28 pm So does Tautvilas not get a scholly next year if we pick up Love?
I presume that they could place mini-Zu on a non-athletic scholarship.

Hell, in the age of NIL they could just give Caleb Love another $100K to let him pay his own tuition and room & board.

Re: Let's talk '23

Posted: Fri May 26, 2023 8:24 am
by Beachcat97
My takeaway from that article is that Tommy is KILLING it. He's getting the house in order and building for the future.

Is there a Pac program with better momentum right now? USC doesn't count because (a) they'll soon be a Big 10 team and (b) they're going to lose half their team after this next season and don't seem to have much momentum for 2024-25.

Re: Let's talk '23

Posted: Fri May 26, 2023 8:47 am
by Merkin
arizonawildcats wrote: Thu May 25, 2023 7:17 pm

At the combine, Azuolas Tubelis said Tautvilas will stay with the Wildcats next season. So if UA doesn’t add any more scholarship players, it could offer him another year of a scholarship. Otherwise, the Wildcats are expected to shift Tautvilas into another role with the program.

Can't offer him an academic scholarship, so either a walk on where he has to pay out of state tuition along with housing expenses, which is about $52,367 per the UA, and he can't work due to his student visa status. Doubtful Zu can cover that, since the G League and Eastern Europe basketball are both notoriously low paying. Think pro basketball players in the Baltic nations only get about $3K per month, along with an apartment and car.

Re: Let's talk '23

Posted: Fri May 26, 2023 10:19 am
by RondaeShimmy
Merkin wrote: Fri May 26, 2023 8:47 am
arizonawildcats wrote: Thu May 25, 2023 7:17 pm

At the combine, Azuolas Tubelis said Tautvilas will stay with the Wildcats next season. So if UA doesn’t add any more scholarship players, it could offer him another year of a scholarship. Otherwise, the Wildcats are expected to shift Tautvilas into another role with the program.

Can't offer him an academic scholarship, so either a walk on where he has to pay out of state tuition along with housing expenses, which is about $52,367 per the UA, and he can't work due to his student visa status. Doubtful Zu can cover that, since the G League and Eastern Europe basketball are both notoriously low paying. Think pro basketball players in the Baltic nations only get about $3K per month, along with an apartment and car.
Probably going to be a team manager or something

Re: Let's talk '23

Posted: Fri May 26, 2023 10:25 am
by Merkin
RondaeShimmy wrote: Fri May 26, 2023 10:19 am Probably going to be a team manager or something

That would make sense. Be a good body in practice then too.

Looks like Zu-lite is a double major. I was thinking grad assistant but probably has at least a year to go.

Undergraduate - College of Soc & Behav Sci - Communication
Undergraduate - College of Soc & Behav Sci - Sports Management

Re: Let's talk '23

Posted: Fri May 26, 2023 12:03 pm
by Postmaster
Managers don’t get athletic scholarships, do they?

Re: Let's talk '23

Posted: Fri May 26, 2023 12:41 pm
by dmjcat

Re: Let's talk '23

Posted: Fri May 26, 2023 1:40 pm
by Merkin
Postmaster wrote: Fri May 26, 2023 12:03 pm Managers don’t get athletic scholarships, do they?
Not sure how this works.

Re: Let's talk '23

Posted: Fri May 26, 2023 5:32 pm
by 84Cat
Beachcat97 wrote: Thu May 18, 2023 2:13 pm Haven't heard anything about Nkamhoua lately? Has that ship sailed, Choo?

Re: Let's talk '23

Posted: Fri May 26, 2023 5:40 pm
by arizonawildcats

Re: Let's talk '23

Posted: Fri May 26, 2023 5:42 pm
by Beachcat97
84Cat wrote: Fri May 26, 2023 5:32 pm
Beachcat97 wrote: Thu May 18, 2023 2:13 pm Haven't heard anything about Nkamhoua lately? Has that ship sailed, Choo?
Would've liked to get him, but I'm pretty pumped on Keshad.

Re: Let's talk '23

Posted: Fri May 26, 2023 6:03 pm
by arizonawildcats
North Carolina transfer Caleb Love is scheduled to make visits to Arizona and then Texas (in that order) before deciding next week. Both schools are realistic possibilities. Love and family have continued to communicate with the Texas staff about their plans in the recruitment. Gonzaga is also making a push.
https://www.surlyhorns.com/board/topic/ ... nt=5269795

Re: Let's talk '23

Posted: Sat May 27, 2023 5:45 am
by ChooChooCat
Postmaster wrote: Wed May 24, 2023 10:21 pm
ChooChooCat wrote: Wed May 24, 2023 12:08 pm
Postmaster wrote: Wed May 24, 2023 12:07 pm What happened with Michigan?
He didn't have the grades to get into Michigan via transfer. Wouldn't be a problem at Arizona.
How did they not figured out before he declared at Michigan?
Juwan Howard is really really really bad at this job.

Re: Let's talk '23

Posted: Sat May 27, 2023 7:24 pm
by AZCatGirl

Re: Let's talk '23

Posted: Sun May 28, 2023 11:42 am
by arizonawildcats

Re: Let's talk '23

Posted: Sun May 28, 2023 2:28 pm
by arizonawildcats

Re: Let's talk '23

Posted: Mon May 29, 2023 1:05 pm
by arizonawildcats
Looking like Love is not going to visit UT
https://www.surlyhorns.com/board/topic/ ... nt=5274973

Re: Let's talk '23

Posted: Tue May 30, 2023 11:16 am
by Carcassdragger
Man, it seems late for teams to not know what their lineup is for next year. You'd think anybody undecided would go ahead and make a decision for the good of the team they're joining.

Maybe I've got it wrong, but it seems a bit selfish for the remaining players to drag it out.

Re: Let's talk '23

Posted: Tue May 30, 2023 11:19 am
by PHXCATS
Carcassdragger wrote: Tue May 30, 2023 11:16 am Man, it seems late for teams to not know what their lineup is for next year. You'd think anybody undecided would go ahead and make a decision for the good of the team they're joining.

Maybe I've got it wrong, but it seems a bit selfish for the remaining players to drag it out.
I dont think that is the case. The biggest thing now I believe is getting back as much information from the NBA. And then players will decide. Respectfully, I don't believe it is selfish at this point by those guys still in the draft and portal

Re: Let's talk '23

Posted: Tue May 30, 2023 12:14 pm
by arizonawildcats

Re: Let's talk '23

Posted: Tue May 30, 2023 12:17 pm
by 84Cat
Lloyd is a witch or maybe coach Rob in this case

Re: Let's talk '23

Posted: Tue May 30, 2023 12:18 pm
by RondaeShimmy
Well we finally have someone who can create their own shot.

Re: Let's talk '23

Posted: Tue May 30, 2023 12:35 pm
by Dave
I was really worried after we lost Nembhard. What Tommy has done since then has been remarkable. We are flat out loaded!

Re: Let's talk '23

Posted: Tue May 30, 2023 12:37 pm
by arizonawildcats
It's incredible how we got here. Portal recruiting is insane. I can't wait for next season.

Re: Let's talk '23

Posted: Tue May 30, 2023 12:39 pm
by PHXCATS
Dave wrote: Tue May 30, 2023 12:35 pm I was really worried after we lost Nembhard. What Tommy has done since then has been remarkable. We are flat out loaded!
There was no reason to be worried then. Just needed to wait the whole thing out.

Re: Let's talk '23

Posted: Tue May 30, 2023 12:41 pm
by Postmaster
I’m starting to think we never lost neemhard. I don’t think he was ever ours. Revisionist history? Maybe.

Re: Let's talk '23

Posted: Tue May 30, 2023 12:43 pm
by PHXCATS
Postmaster wrote: Tue May 30, 2023 12:41 pm I’m starting to think we never lost neemhard. I don’t think he was ever ours. Revisionist history? Maybe.
Yep, he played Lloyd

Still it is never time to worry until the roster is set.

A lot can happen. Cannot get caught up in the noise of social media and podcasting etc

Re: Let's talk '23

Posted: Tue May 30, 2023 1:21 pm
by Carcassdragger
Props to myself guys. It's obvious that my post about not dragging things out resulted in this announcement.

Welcome to Tucson Caleb.

I'm incredible.

Re: Let's talk '23

Posted: Tue May 30, 2023 2:15 pm
by arizonawildcats