Bear Down Wildcats

DraftExpress updates today. In most pertinent news, Rawle is still in 2018, for what that's worth.

ChooChooCat wrote:

Puerco wrote:The whole argument is flawed because Pitt had Johnson camped out 2 feet behind the three point line in every clip I've seen. If one assumes he played a similar role on defense, then the rebounds aren't going to be easy to come by. Doesn't matter how tall you are when you're that far from the rim.

Why would one assume he would have to play a similar role on defense though? One guy being a 3 point specialist on offense does not equate to him being limited or being solely asked to defend the 3 point line. I get the lack of offensive board argument though.

This is EXACTLY what I thought as I read it. What is good for Pitt isn't necessarily good for Arizona. That might have been what they needed, so he did it.

Take that further with his rebound "issues"...what did he do in high school? Was he an elite rebounder there? Those 5.4 Rebounds per 40 minutes is a somewhat useful stat, but when Pitt was down and crashing the boards more, or faced teams in a zone, did he average 7.1 boards per 40 minutes then? Did they ever go small and use him as a 4? Did he average 10.36 boards per 40 minutes in those rare cases? We know he didn't rebound because it wasn't his role...but in cases when it was, did he?

That is much more important. Film, film, film...

ChooChooCat wrote:

Puerco wrote:The whole argument is flawed because Pitt had Johnson camped out 2 feet behind the three point line in every clip I've seen. If one assumes he played a similar role on defense, then the rebounds aren't going to be easy to come by. Doesn't matter how tall you are when you're that far from the rim.

Why would one assume he would have to play a similar role on defense though? One guy being a 3 point specialist on offense does not equate to him being limited or being solely asked to defend the 3 point line. I get the lack of offensive board argument though.

Okay, so I admit having the same thought as I was composing my mail. Since you caught me, you're rewarded with some research.

Cam Johnson's total rebound percentage was pretty meh at 8%. But like we speculated, his ORB% is miserable, 2%, one of the worst on the team. However, his DRB% is 13% which is by far and away the best of any Pitt guard. The next highest is at 9%. Not bad.

His true shooting numbers are second on the team, and his box plus minus is the best by a considerable margin, all while only having an average usage rate. You could easily make the argument that Cam Johnson was statistically Pitt's best player.

Puerco wrote:

ChooChooCat wrote:

Puerco wrote:The whole argument is flawed because Pitt had Johnson camped out 2 feet behind the three point line in every clip I've seen. If one assumes he played a similar role on defense, then the rebounds aren't going to be easy to come by. Doesn't matter how tall you are when you're that far from the rim.

Why would one assume he would have to play a similar role on defense though? One guy being a 3 point specialist on offense does not equate to him being limited or being solely asked to defend the 3 point line. I get the lack of offensive board argument though.

Okay, so I admit having the same thought as I was composing my mail. Since you caught me, you're rewarded with some research.

Cam Johnson's total rebound percentage was pretty meh at 8%. But like we speculated, his ORB% is miserable, 2%, one of the worst on the team. However, his DRB% is 13% which is by far and away the best of any Pitt guard. The next highest is at 9%. Not bad.

His true shooting numbers are second on the team, and his box plus minus is the best by a considerable margin, all while only having an average usage rate. You could easily make the argument that Cam Johnson was statistically Pitt's best player.

Yay rewards! Good stuff my man, appreciate the numbers and insight.

Sounds like Rawle is gone, that's the pitch for Johnson to come to Arizona. Miler said two players likely added to the class, Arizona has 2 visitors this weekend (Jeter, Johnson).

Puerco wrote:

ChooChooCat wrote:

Puerco wrote:The whole argument is flawed because Pitt had Johnson camped out 2 feet behind the three point line in every clip I've seen. If one assumes he played a similar role on defense, then the rebounds aren't going to be easy to come by. Doesn't matter how tall you are when you're that far from the rim.

Why would one assume he would have to play a similar role on defense though? One guy being a 3 point specialist on offense does not equate to him being limited or being solely asked to defend the 3 point line. I get the lack of offensive board argument though.

Okay, so I admit having the same thought as I was composing my mail. Since you caught me, you're rewarded with some research.

Cam Johnson's total rebound percentage was pretty meh at 8%. But like we speculated, his ORB% is miserable, 2%, one of the worst on the team. However, his DRB% is 13% which is by far and away the best of any Pitt guard. The next highest is at 9%. Not bad.

His true shooting numbers are second on the team, and his box plus minus is the best by a considerable margin, all while only having an average usage rate. You could easily make the argument that Cam Johnson was statistically Pitt's best player.

I watched enough of Pitt. He wasn't their best player. That would be Jamel Artis or Michael Young. They had two second tier players in Cam and Sheldon Jeter. Pitt stunk by the way. A lot of that was cohesion and chemistry though. Young and artis finished season suspended and the team had enough talent to make tourney.


As far as impact he will likely fall somewhere between Mark Lyons and Tollefson as far as contributions go.

Rawle one and done...really didn't see that coming. He had a good season, sure, but he's a guy I thought we'd be able to keep for a while. If he somehow goes in the 1st round, well, good for him. If he's a 2nd rounder, he must just really dislike school.

Beachcat97 wrote:Rawle one and done...really didn't see that coming. He had a good season, sure, but he's a guy I thought we'd be able to keep for a while. If he somehow goes in the 1st round, well, good for him. If he's a 2nd rounder, he must just really dislike school.

He is a very good prospect, incredibly athletic, tough, has a developing offensive game, plays defense. The NBA draft is mostly about prospects instead of impact, NBA-ready players.

Too late to reel in Bowen?

midnightx wrote:

Beachcat97 wrote:Rawle one and done...really didn't see that coming. He had a good season, sure, but he's a guy I thought we'd be able to keep for a while. If he somehow goes in the 1st round, well, good for him. If he's a 2nd rounder, he must just really dislike school.

He is a very good prospect, incredibly athletic, tough, has a developing offensive game, plays defense. The NBA draft is mostly about prospects instead of impact, NBA-ready players.

Too late to reel in Bowen?

If I'm an NBA GM, I still haven't seen enough of Alkins to overcome my doubts, which is why I think he needs at least another year. Right now, he's a "maybe" NBA talent. I realize there are no guarantees with any prospect. Alkins has shown glimpses that he could be a real NBA talent. But his game is still inconsistent and rough around the edges in some parts. And the skills he has there is a lot to like. His toughness and strength both stand out. But basketball is also a game of skill and finesse. When I look at TJ McConnell, I see a player who knows when to push and when to pull. Perhaps the D league is a viable option for Alkins to refine his game. Whether he spends next year in the NBA minors or at Arizona, he could ultimately wind up in the same place down the road. But if he leaves now, there's no turning back. I just don't see the need to rush things, especially when he's only had one year of college ball.

zonagrad wrote:

midnightx wrote:

Beachcat97 wrote:Rawle one and done...really didn't see that coming. He had a good season, sure, but he's a guy I thought we'd be able to keep for a while. If he somehow goes in the 1st round, well, good for him. If he's a 2nd rounder, he must just really dislike school.

He is a very good prospect, incredibly athletic, tough, has a developing offensive game, plays defense. The NBA draft is mostly about prospects instead of impact, NBA-ready players.

Too late to reel in Bowen?

If I'm an NBA GM, I still haven't seen enough of Alkins to overcome my doubts, which is why I think he needs at least another year. Right now, he's a "maybe" NBA talent. I realize there are no guarantees with any prospect. Alkins has shown glimpses that he could be a real NBA talent. But his game is still inconsistent and rough around the edges in some parts. And the skills he has there is a lot to like. His toughness and strength both stand out. But basketball is also a game of skill and finesse. When I look at TJ McConnell, I see a player who knows when to push and when to pull. Perhaps the D league is a viable option for Alkins to refine his game. Whether he spends next year in the NBA minors or at Arizona, he could ultimately wind up in the same place down the road. But if he leaves now, there's no turning back. I just don't see the need to rush things, especially when he's only had one year of college ball.

Unfortunately most NBA GMs are little bitches who continue to draft guys who end up in the D-league because they are not ready, which is where Rawle will spend 2-3 years if he is stupid enough to leave right now.

splitsecond wrote:

zonagrad wrote:

midnightx wrote:

Beachcat97 wrote:Rawle one and done...really didn't see that coming. He had a good season, sure, but he's a guy I thought we'd be able to keep for a while. If he somehow goes in the 1st round, well, good for him. If he's a 2nd rounder, he must just really dislike school.

He is a very good prospect, incredibly athletic, tough, has a developing offensive game, plays defense. The NBA draft is mostly about prospects instead of impact, NBA-ready players.

Too late to reel in Bowen?

If I'm an NBA GM, I still haven't seen enough of Alkins to overcome my doubts, which is why I think he needs at least another year. Right now, he's a "maybe" NBA talent. I realize there are no guarantees with any prospect. Alkins has shown glimpses that he could be a real NBA talent. But his game is still inconsistent and rough around the edges in some parts. And the skills he has there is a lot to like. His toughness and strength both stand out. But basketball is also a game of skill and finesse. When I look at TJ McConnell, I see a player who knows when to push and when to pull. Perhaps the D league is a viable option for Alkins to refine his game. Whether he spends next year in the NBA minors or at Arizona, he could ultimately wind up in the same place down the road. But if he leaves now, there's no turning back. I just don't see the need to rush things, especially when he's only had one year of college ball.

Unfortunately most NBA GMs are little bitches who continue to draft guys who end up in the D-league because they are not ready, which is where Rawle will spend 2-3 years if he is stupid enough to leave right now.

That's not the NBA situation. Roughly 20-25 draftees a year have NBA careers longer than two years. NBA teams are aware that if you're not drafting in the lottery, it's hit or miss on whether you get a contributor. In the second round, it's more like a 75% chance you're going to miss and 25% you hit.

Rawle is in the 40s on DX's 2018 draft projection. NBA teams aren't drafting someone in the 40's expecting him to be NBA ready. They expect him not to be NBA ready and probably never NBA caliber. If he ever has a productive NBA career, it is an unexpected benefit. After the lottery, it's all speculation.

Then rawle too is stupid is he leaves


Why do all these kids, want to leave school? Is it that bad? Your kings of the fucking castle at UofA and you'd rather shelp from midsize market at best to regional center on a bus with pit stops at Wendy's an overweight midwestern girls? You'd have more fun on farmers only.

I just don't get it.

CalStateTempe wrote:Then rawle too is stupid is he leaves

Why do all these kids, want to leave school? Is it that bad? Your minds of the fucking castle at UofA and you'd rather shelp from midsize market at best to regional center on a bus with pit stops at Wendy's an overweight midwestern girls? You'd have more fun on farmers only.

I just don't get it.

The NBA is a lifetime dream. Even if the player is realistic and thinks there's only a 25% chance he makes it, wouldn't you jump at a 25% chance to achieve your lifetime dream?

Most players are where they are due to a belief in themselves. I guarantee that they are thinking they're the success story in the second round.

No one dreams of college success. Arizona isn't the goal. For non-potential pros or fans, people frequently don't get that.

Spaceman Spiff wrote:

CalStateTempe wrote:Then rawle too is stupid is he leaves

Why do all these kids, want to leave school? Is it that bad? Your minds of the fucking castle at UofA and you'd rather shelp from midsize market at best to regional center on a bus with pit stops at Wendy's an overweight midwestern girls? You'd have more fun on farmers only.

I just don't get it.

The NBA is a lifetime dream. Even if the player is realistic and thinks there's only a 25% chance he makes it, wouldn't you jump at a 25% chance to achieve your lifetime dream?

Most players are where they are due to a belief in themselves. I guarantee that they are thinking they're the success story in the second round.

No one dreams of college success. Arizona isn't the goal. For non-potential pros or fans, people frequently don't get that.

Most people have a lifetime dream. Unless you are inordinately talented, which Rawle, Kobi, and Chance are not, how smart is it to take a shortcut to achieve it? I don't get it either.

Puerco wrote: Okay, so I admit having the same thought as I was composing my mail. Since you caught me, you're rewarded with some research.

Cam Johnson's total rebound percentage was pretty meh at 8%. But like we speculated, his ORB% is miserable, 2%, one of the worst on the team. However, his DRB% is 13% which is by far and away the best of any Pitt guard. The next highest is at 9%. Not bad.

His true shooting numbers are second on the team, and his box plus minus is the best by a considerable margin, all while only having an average usage rate. You could easily make the argument that Cam Johnson was statistically Pitt's best player.

You were looking at the same stuff I was man, which is why I asked about the comment ripping on his rebounding. I dont have the benefit of watching film of the kid and I'm sure all of us dont either, so I was just going off what was available which looked pretty good to me. His offensive efficiency and a few other things also stats also jumped out at me. Plus: he has experience, has proven to be a solid player in the premier basketball conference in the country, has length, and both Kentucky and Arizona are sweating him. Easy math to me. He brings several things that would greatly help next year's team, the only knock being concerns over his defense, which apparently isn't Bowen's strong suit either.

The thing is spiff, I do get that, but as in most things in life, I prefer to put myself in a position To "win" and capitalize on dreams. I love the U, but I'm not blind to fandom to think that college ball is what a lot of Arizona players aspire to.

Is rawle's odds of achieving his dream better at this point in his college career or after second year of seasoning at Arizona? I'd say the former only if he fears he's gonna get exposed, which then it really doesn't matter since he'll be exposed in the D league anyway.

zonagrad wrote:
If I'm an NBA GM, I still haven't seen enough of Alkins to overcome my doubts, which is why I think he needs at least another year. Right now, he's a "maybe" NBA talent. I realize there are no guarantees with any prospect. Alkins has shown glimpses that he could be a real NBA talent. But his game is still inconsistent and rough around the edges in some parts. And the skills he has there is a lot to like. His toughness and strength both stand out. But basketball is also a game of skill and finesse. When I look at TJ McConnell, I see a player who knows when to push and when to pull. Perhaps the D league is a viable option for Alkins to refine his game. Whether he spends next year in the NBA minors or at Arizona, he could ultimately wind up in the same place down the road. But if he leaves now, there's no turning back. I just don't see the need to rush things, especially when he's only had one year of college ball.

Alkins would not be a waste of a 2nd round pick. If he doesn't go in the 2nd round, someone will pick him up as an undrafted free agent. I personally think he should stay, but you cant rule out his NBA career if he leaves now because he has NBA talent, and the things he needs to work on can be worked on in the D League. Could be the same issue if he came back next year, you never know. He's taking the riskier route, but I can guarantee you there are plenty of GMs who like the kid and see the potential for him to be someone who can bring quite a bit to the table coming off an NBA team's bench down the road.

CalStateTempe wrote:The thing is spiff, I do get that, but as in most things in life, I prefer to put myself in a position To "win" and capitalize on dreams. I love the U, but I'm not blind to fandom to think that college ball is what a lot of Arizona players aspire to.

Is rawle's odds of achieving his dream better at this point in his college career or after second year of seasoning at Arizona? I'd say the former only if he fears he's gonna get exposed, which then it really doesn't matter since he'll be exposed in the D league anyway.

I think the D League is better for players, although it depends highly on the player.

In college, coaches care about developing players, but are paid to win. Think about Hassan Adams. Lute played him at the 4 for long stretches, which stunted his wing development. Lute was playing to win.

In the D League, coaches are there to develop. No D League coach is getting fired if they develop players and lose every single game. That is the entire thrust. Winning isn't secondary, it's basically not existent.

Spaceman Spiff wrote: In college, coaches care about developing players, but are paid to win. Think about Hassan Adams. Lute played him at the 4 for long stretches, which stunted his wing development. Lute was playing to win.

Michael Wright too. MW knew that his only shot at the league was at the 3. MW told Lute he would stay for his senior year if Lute would let him play out there. Lute of course said no. MW left, and never get a cup of coffee. RIP Wildcat!

D-League, where the best development takes place, makes this moot. Just need to get that entry age dropped by a year.

Do it for the kids! Don't force them into college labor camps!

midnightx wrote:

Beachcat97 wrote:Rawle one and done...really didn't see that coming. He had a good season, sure, but he's a guy I thought we'd be able to keep for a while. If he somehow goes in the 1st round, well, good for him. If he's a 2nd rounder, he must just really dislike school.

He is a very good prospect, incredibly athletic, tough, has a developing offensive game, plays defense. The NBA draft is mostly about prospects instead of impact, NBA-ready players.

Too late to reel in Bowen?

What about Rawle Alkins is incredibly athletic exactly? Don't get me wrong I love a lot about the guy, but if he was remotely in the realm of incredibly athletic we wouldn't be discussing him going undrafted in this draft or 2nd round in the following draft.

Spaceman Spiff wrote:

CalStateTempe wrote:The thing is spiff, I do get that, but as in most things in life, I prefer to put myself in a position To "win" and capitalize on dreams. I love the U, but I'm not blind to fandom to think that college ball is what a lot of Arizona players aspire to.

Is rawle's odds of achieving his dream better at this point in his college career or after second year of seasoning at Arizona? I'd say the former only if he fears he's gonna get exposed, which then it really doesn't matter since he'll be exposed in the D league anyway.

I think the D League is better for players, although it depends highly on the player.

In college, coaches care about developing players, but are paid to win. Think about Hassan Adams. Lute played him at the 4 for long stretches, which stunted his wing development. Lute was playing to win.

In the D League, coaches are there to develop. No D League coach is getting fired if they develop players and lose every single game. That is the entire thrust. Winning isn't secondary, it's basically not existent.

I agree with a lot in this post, but I don't think it applies to Rawle Alkins whatsoever next season. The guy is playing the position he would play in the pros at Arizona as he did last year, has for sure starter minutes guaranteed, and will get plenty development priority in the areas he needs it in i.e. ballhandling and shooting. Yes Miller's priority is and should be winning, but Rawle's continual development plays into Miller's priority for next season.

On a side note how many seasons did Lute play Hassan at the 4? I remember his frosh year for sure, where Lute even used him as the jump ball guy which is crazy. During the latter end of Lute's tenure at Arizona he had as many issues recruiting quality 4 men as Miller does with point guards.

ChooChooCat wrote:

Spaceman Spiff wrote:

CalStateTempe wrote:The thing is spiff, I do get that, but as in most things in life, I prefer to put myself in a position To "win" and capitalize on dreams. I love the U, but I'm not blind to fandom to think that college ball is what a lot of Arizona players aspire to.

Is rawle's odds of achieving his dream better at this point in his college career or after second year of seasoning at Arizona? I'd say the former only if he fears he's gonna get exposed, which then it really doesn't matter since he'll be exposed in the D league anyway.

I think the D League is better for players, although it depends highly on the player.

In college, coaches care about developing players, but are paid to win. Think about Hassan Adams. Lute played him at the 4 for long stretches, which stunted his wing development. Lute was playing to win.

In the D League, coaches are there to develop. No D League coach is getting fired if they develop players and lose every single game. That is the entire thrust. Winning isn't secondary, it's basically not existent.

I agree with a lot in this post, but I don't think it applies to Rawle Alkins whatsoever next season. The guy is playing the position he would play in the pros at Arizona as he did last year, has for sure starter minutes guaranteed, and will get plenty development priority in the areas he needs it in i.e. ballhandling and shooting. Yes Miller's priority is and should be winning, but Rawle's continual development plays into Miller's priority for next season.

On a side note how many seasons did Lute play Hassan at the 4? I remember his frosh year for sure, where Lute even used him as the jump ball guy which is crazy. During the latter end of Lute's tenure at Arizona he had as many issues recruiting quality 4 men as Miller does with point guards.

Soph year, Adams got the most run down low. That's when the Top 6 minutes went to Adams, Frye, Iggy, Shakur, Salim, Rodgers. Then big dropoff to Radenovic. Fox only played two games.

The following year, Ivan was more of a factor and Brielmaier came aboard. Fox was back (but didn't do much). Still had Frye.

Following year, no Frye or Fox. Kirk Walters played more. Still had Ivan and Bret.

But yeah, once Walton and Anderson left, Arizona didn't have any big, effective forwards until Jordan Hill arrived. Marcus Williams floated on wing. Fendi was Fendi.

That frosh class: Onobun, Prince, Williams -- the Three Kings! -- terrible for the Cats.

ChooChooCat wrote:

Spaceman Spiff wrote:

CalStateTempe wrote:The thing is spiff, I do get that, but as in most things in life, I prefer to put myself in a position To "win" and capitalize on dreams. I love the U, but I'm not blind to fandom to think that college ball is what a lot of Arizona players aspire to.

Is rawle's odds of achieving his dream better at this point in his college career or after second year of seasoning at Arizona? I'd say the former only if he fears he's gonna get exposed, which then it really doesn't matter since he'll be exposed in the D league anyway.

I think the D League is better for players, although it depends highly on the player.

In college, coaches care about developing players, but are paid to win. Think about Hassan Adams. Lute played him at the 4 for long stretches, which stunted his wing development. Lute was playing to win.

In the D League, coaches are there to develop. No D League coach is getting fired if they develop players and lose every single game. That is the entire thrust. Winning isn't secondary, it's basically not existent.

I agree with a lot in this post, but I don't think it applies to Rawle Alkins whatsoever next season. The guy is playing the position he would play in the pros at Arizona as he did last year, has for sure starter minutes guaranteed, and will get plenty development priority in the areas he needs it in i.e. ballhandling and shooting. Yes Miller's priority is and should be winning, but Rawle's continual development plays into Miller's priority for next season.

On a side note how many seasons did Lute play Hassan at the 4? I remember his frosh year for sure, where Lute even used him as the jump ball guy which is crazy. During the latter end of Lute's tenure at Arizona he had as many issues recruiting quality 4 men as Miller does with point guards.

If I'm talking in Rawle's case, I'd be more worried that I lose touches to Trier and Ayton and am at best a third option.

I don't agree, bc I think Rawle would get similar touches at Arizona and the D League does not increase, but it's a viable argument.

Spaceman Spiff wrote:

ChooChooCat wrote:

Spaceman Spiff wrote:

CalStateTempe wrote:The thing is spiff, I do get that, but as in most things in life, I prefer to put myself in a position To "win" and capitalize on dreams. I love the U, but I'm not blind to fandom to think that college ball is what a lot of Arizona players aspire to.

Is rawle's odds of achieving his dream better at this point in his college career or after second year of seasoning at Arizona? I'd say the former only if he fears he's gonna get exposed, which then it really doesn't matter since he'll be exposed in the D league anyway.

I think the D League is better for players, although it depends highly on the player.

In college, coaches care about developing players, but are paid to win. Think about Hassan Adams. Lute played him at the 4 for long stretches, which stunted his wing development. Lute was playing to win.

In the D League, coaches are there to develop. No D League coach is getting fired if they develop players and lose every single game. That is the entire thrust. Winning isn't secondary, it's basically not existent.

I agree with a lot in this post, but I don't think it applies to Rawle Alkins whatsoever next season. The guy is playing the position he would play in the pros at Arizona as he did last year, has for sure starter minutes guaranteed, and will get plenty development priority in the areas he needs it in i.e. ballhandling and shooting. Yes Miller's priority is and should be winning, but Rawle's continual development plays into Miller's priority for next season.

On a side note how many seasons did Lute play Hassan at the 4? I remember his frosh year for sure, where Lute even used him as the jump ball guy which is crazy. During the latter end of Lute's tenure at Arizona he had as many issues recruiting quality 4 men as Miller does with point guards.

If I'm talking in Rawle's case, I'd be more worried that I lose touches to Trier and Ayton and am at best a third option.

I don't agree, bc I think Rawle would get similar touches at Arizona and the D League does not increase, but it's a viable argument.

I fail to see how being the 3rd offensive option at Arizona wouldn't be good for him. I mean it's better than being the 13th option for the Fargo Who Gives a Fucks. His offensive usage would still be plenty high.

Sigh...either way there's a reason Cam Johnson is on campus this weekend and it's the same reason Chase Jeter is.

So Jeter replaces CC & Cam replaces RA. Time to move on and get this shit started. Good luck but F you guys that want to move on too early.

Rawle isn't gone yet, so hold back on "F you guys."

Also Jeter isn't eligible this year, so we need Lee or Pinder to take 20m/g in the post.

YoDeFoe wrote:Rawle isn't gone yet, so hold back on "F you guys."

Also Jeter isn't eligible this year, so we need Lee or Pinder to take 20m/g in the post.

Yet is a very generous word.

How about both of them to take up 20m/g?

ChooChooCat wrote: Yet is a very generous word.

How about both of them to take up 20m/g?

You're tearing up my heart, Choo.

But yeah, they can share the 20 of course. I'd rather it be 15 to Lee and 5 to Pinder.

Wow, Chance is getting absolutely killed on Twitter.

84Cat wrote:Wow, Chance is getting absolutely killed on Twitter.

Yeah, I'm not really hyped about that as a look for the program.

Spaceman Spiff wrote:

84Cat wrote:Wow, Chance is getting absolutely killed on Twitter.

Yeah, I'm not really hyped about that as a look for the program.

Doesn't hurt the program any.

ChooChooCat wrote:

Spaceman Spiff wrote:

84Cat wrote:Wow, Chance is getting absolutely killed on Twitter.

Yeah, I'm not really hyped about that as a look for the program.

Doesn't hurt the program any.

It probably doesn't, but ripping people who leave is always something I think is not particularly classy.

Spaceman Spiff wrote:

ChooChooCat wrote:

Spaceman Spiff wrote:

84Cat wrote:Wow, Chance is getting absolutely killed on Twitter.

Yeah, I'm not really hyped about that as a look for the program.

Doesn't hurt the program any.

It probably doesn't, but ripping people who leave is always something I think is not particularly classy.

He's getting predominantly killed by national reporters at this point from what I've seen.

Spaceman Spiff wrote:

ChooChooCat wrote:

Spaceman Spiff wrote:

84Cat wrote:Wow, Chance is getting absolutely killed on Twitter.

Yeah, I'm not really hyped about that as a look for the program.

Doesn't hurt the program any.

It probably doesn't, but ripping people who leave is always something I think is not particularly classy.

Agreed. No one has any idea what one incident or example or posting will cause an 18 year old kid in a tight race for a commit to go "fuck those guys."

It probably doesn't hurt...but it sure can't help. Passion is passion, but this ain't that...

Ultimately, tho, it likely means 0%

ChooChooCat wrote:

Spaceman Spiff wrote:

ChooChooCat wrote:

Spaceman Spiff wrote:

84Cat wrote:Wow, Chance is getting absolutely killed on Twitter.

Yeah, I'm not really hyped about that as a look for the program.

Doesn't hurt the program any.

It probably doesn't, but ripping people who leave is always something I think is not particularly classy.

He's getting predominantly killed by national reporters at this point from what I've seen.

That's fair and beyond control. I just hope the number of Arizona fans is minimal/nonexistent.

Spaceman Spiff wrote:
That's fair and beyond control. I just hope the number of Arizona fans is minimal/nonexistent.

I legit searched twitter just for his name and all I've seen are Arizona fans laughing. The predominant tweets have been national and even some local media trashing him for this decision.

Chance is why I believe Miller will only recruit impact freshman and look to add Transfer bigs and wings going forward.

You simply can't recruit even barely skilled, mostly raw, top-50-100 types as multi-year players anymore.

If you recruit traditional transfers, you get a redshirt and a more mature/skilled player for a junior/senior year that you'd get from a 50-100 range freshman and sophomore.

It's not ideal. But when you see Kentucky grasping for transfers and quirky prep recruits, you know the system is fucked.

JMarkJohns wrote:Chance is why I believe Miller will only recruit impact freshman and look to add Transfer bigs and wings going forward.

You simply can't recruit even barely skilled, mostly raw, top-50-100 types as multi-year players anymore.

If you recruit traditional transfers, you get a redshirt and a more mature/skilled player for a junior/senior year that you'd get from a 50-100 range freshman and sophomore.

It's not ideal. But when you see Kentucky grasping for transfers and quirky prep recruits, you know the system is fucked.

I mean unless you're Roy Williams of course and you cry and cry and cry until your players give in and return.

ChooChooCat wrote:

JMarkJohns wrote:Chance is why I believe Miller will only recruit impact freshman and look to add Transfer bigs and wings going forward.

You simply can't recruit even barely skilled, mostly raw, top-50-100 types as multi-year players anymore.

If you recruit traditional transfers, you get a redshirt and a more mature/skilled player for a junior/senior year that you'd get from a 50-100 range freshman and sophomore.

It's not ideal. But when you see Kentucky grasping for transfers and quirky prep recruits, you know the system is fucked.

I mean unless you're Roy Williams of course and you cry and cry and cry until your players give in and return.

Those players don't have to go to class to pass.

ChooChooCat wrote:

Spaceman Spiff wrote:

84Cat wrote:Wow, Chance is getting absolutely killed on Twitter.

Yeah, I'm not really hyped about that as a look for the program.

Doesn't hurt the program any.

Agreed. He is making a bad choice, and I have absolutely no problem with people criticizing him over it.

Some have theorized on Twitter that once Rustic decided to stay, he was gone.

JMarkJohns wrote:

ChooChooCat wrote:

JMarkJohns wrote:Chance is why I believe Miller will only recruit impact freshman and look to add Transfer bigs and wings going forward.

You simply can't recruit even barely skilled, mostly raw, top-50-100 types as multi-year players anymore.

If you recruit traditional transfers, you get a redshirt and a more mature/skilled player for a junior/senior year that you'd get from a 50-100 range freshman and sophomore.

It's not ideal. But when you see Kentucky grasping for transfers and quirky prep recruits, you know the system is fucked.

I mean unless you're Roy Williams of course and you cry and cry and cry until your players give in and return.

Those players don't have to go to class to pass.

Touche.

Solomon Hill and TJ McConnell should really be the template these players are looking at when deciding if they are ready for the pros. Solomon Hill signed a contract for over $50 million and he was not half the player Dwill was in college, but he stayed four years, developed, and improved his game.

Rawle, Chance, and even Kobi could have careers in the NBA if they would stay for four years and fully develop like Solo and TJ. Instead we have a bunch of players just using our program as a pit stop to the D-league. These kids are getting horrible advice and guidance.

What a crazy off-season, even by crazy off-season standards.

We're going to get 2 of these 4: Johnson, Jeter, Bowen, Duval.

Beachcat97 wrote:What a crazy off-season, even by crazy off-season standards.

We're going to get 2 of these 4: Johnson, Jeter, Bowen, Duval.

I was taught to reduce fractions....

We're going to get 2 of these 3: Johnson, Jeter, Bowen

EVCat wrote:

Beachcat97 wrote:What a crazy off-season, even by crazy off-season standards.

We're going to get 2 of these 4: Johnson, Jeter, Bowen, Duval.

I was taught to reduce fractions....

We're going to get 2 of these 3: Johnson, Jeter, Bowen

Maybe Duval and Chance can be teammates after all!

At least Chance made the announcement prior to our 2 visits this weekend. I do appreciate the timing. Gives us a better chance to land Cam.