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goslingswagg wrote:That being said, I still have to be in “I’ll believe it when I see it” mode with Miller when it comes to on-court success. Compete for a PAC12 title, get to a Sweet 16, and I’ll be all in for the 2021-2022 season.

Three Elite Eights, five Pac titles, and three Pac tourney titles in 11 seasons. I know his teams have underachieved in recent seasons, but the on-court success is very much part of his tenure at AZ. It's undeniable. Fight me.

Does this mean "it's all good"? Not exactly. This past season and the Ayton season were really tough pills to swallow. The talent on the roster just didn't seem to match the on-court success, so that's troubling. But Miller has earned the benefit of our doubts, at least for another year or two. He deserves a chance to turn things around.

Azuolas Tubelis has been ranked #54 by 247, sort of surprising tbh.

https://247sports.com/Player/Azuolas-Tubelis-46101242/" target="_blank

Thought for sure he was going to be borderline 5*/high 4*

RondaeShimmy wrote:Azuolas Tubelis has been ranked #54 by 247, sort of surprising tbh.

https://247sports.com/Player/Azuolas-Tubelis-46101242/" target="_blank

Thought for sure he was going to be borderline 5*/high 4*

Lauri was a 4 star and was ranked 36 for context

84Cat wrote:

RondaeShimmy wrote:Azuolas Tubelis has been ranked #54 by 247, sort of surprising tbh.

https://247sports.com/Player/Azuolas-Tubelis-46101242/" target="_blank

Thought for sure he was going to be borderline 5*/high 4*

Lauri was a 4 star and was ranked 36 for context

Lauri was ranked #16 by 247. The #36 is the composite because no other recruiting service ranked him and didn't evaluate him, only gave him 4*s.

https://247sports.com/Player/Lauri-Mark ... ol-147363/" target="_blank

Azuolas brother only managed to get a 2* rating. I've personally never seen one.

RondaeShimmy wrote:

84Cat wrote:

RondaeShimmy wrote:Azuolas Tubelis has been ranked #54 by 247, sort of surprising tbh.

https://247sports.com/Player/Azuolas-Tubelis-46101242/" target="_blank

Thought for sure he was going to be borderline 5*/high 4*

Lauri was a 4 star and was ranked 36 for context

Lauri was ranked #16 by 247. The #36 is the composite because no other recruiting service ranked him and didn't evaluate him, only gave him 4*s.

https://247sports.com/Player/Lauri-Mark ... ol-147363/" target="_blank

Well then 54 seems a little low for a OAD

Lauri was definitely underrated, then. Name 10 guys better from his class.

There's been tons of blowback from the FBI mess and I think it's filtered into the recruiting rankings. Just for comparison, Zeke was better than Matthew Hurt, Jeremiah Robinson Earl and Armando Bacot, yet was never selected for the McD's All American game nor was he designated a five star. Before we snagged Tubelis, I watched tons of tape of him and was convinced (and still am) that he is a consensus five star. No question.

With the exception of Jalen Suggs, he would be the best player on Gonzaga's team if they picked him up. Tubelis is better than Oumar Ballo, who was rated a five star and Petrusev, who many think will be a NPOY candidate next year. Also, I believe that Kriisa is better than his ranking as well, unfortunately the ranking people have been quite bearish on our guys lately. I've watched the other five star guys, especially in our conference and he stacks just as well or better than any of them. He's a stud, and I'm very picky with players. I never thought we would get him.

All things considered, this will be one of Miller's most balanced squads he's ever had. If they play vintage Miller defense, and the chemistry is there (which Terry will help with tremendously), I could see us surprising a lot people next year.

Great post, Rawle.

97cats wrote:

goslingswagg wrote:That being said, I still have to be in “I’ll believe it when I see it” mode with Miller when it comes to on-court success.

moving forward, as an Arizona fan, until Miller can pierce the starfish, this is a totally understandable and reasonable space to reside in and further, probably sound thinking all-together, imnsho.

Nah, I'm all in on Miller...always have been from the first presser.

Grass ain't greener imnsho.

247 has our guys ranked as the following:

44. Dalen Terry
50. Bennedict Mathurin
54. Azuolas Tubelis
64. Kerr Kriisa
104. Daniel Batcho
122. Tibet Gorener
494. Tautvilas Tubelis

If these recruits show up to campus they better be prepared to join Sean Miller in cleaning the toilets and mopping the floors in the locker room. The university is fucked. To avoid exigency, just about everyone who isn't in administration, actively teaching classes, or in a "continued status" position will be gone. Wave at the tenured professors mowing the grass on the Mall, and the deans picking up trash.

I doubt any flagship public R1 in the country is as bad off as the U of A.

84Cat wrote:

RondaeShimmy wrote:

84Cat wrote:

RondaeShimmy wrote:Azuolas Tubelis has been ranked #54 by 247, sort of surprising tbh.

https://247sports.com/Player/Azuolas-Tubelis-46101242/" target="_blank

Thought for sure he was going to be borderline 5*/high 4*

Lauri was a 4 star and was ranked 36 for context

Lauri was ranked #16 by 247. The #36 is the composite because no other recruiting service ranked him and didn't evaluate him, only gave him 4*s.

https://247sports.com/Player/Lauri-Mark ... ol-147363/" target="_blank

Well then 54 seems a little low for a OAD

Yeah I don't think he's a OAD even before the ranking came out. He has to work on his shot big time imo. He shot 59% last year from the free throw line.

All his evaluations have said multi-year guy.

Feels like more losses than is survivable in a decision year.

SCCats wrote:Feels like more losses than is survivable in a decision year.

I think the exact opposite. What CSM (Murphy) has done is solidified a legit chance at the PAC12 and tournament appearance. Add in JET with a 2 year deal and pretty sure CSM is a lock for some kind of extension.

He'll make the tourney with this team next year and with numerous returnees, he'll get an extension.

Longhorned wrote:If these recruits show up to campus they better be prepared to join Sean Miller in cleaning the toilets and mopping the floors in the locker room. The university is fucked. To avoid exigency, just about everyone who isn't in administration, actively teaching classes, or in a "continued status" position will be gone. Wave at the tenured professors mowing the grass on the Mall, and the deans picking up trash.

I doubt any flagship public R1 in the country is as bad off as the U of A.

Isn’t the athletic dept more autonomous since it’s self funded?
And why are the schools hurting so much? I didn’t get a refund for all the on -campus stuff they charge you for.

Olsondogg wrote: Nah, I'm all in on Miller...always have been from the first presser.

Grass ain't greener imnsho.

im not saying to get rid of Miller, far from it, but the results on the floor have been the results - lots of really, really good and some really really bad.

its ok to to be uncertain about next year at this stage, but Sean Miller can still recruit.

thats the takeaway for me

97cats wrote:

Olsondogg wrote: Nah, I'm all in on Miller...always have been from the first presser.

Grass ain't greener imnsho.

im not saying to get rid of Miller, far from it, but the results on the floor have been the results - lots of really, really good and some really really bad.

its ok to to be uncertain about next year at this stage, but Sean Miller can still recruit.

thats the takeaway for me

Respectfully, outside of just a few coaches...the bolded could define almost any top coach.

Postmaster wrote:

Longhorned wrote:If these recruits show up to campus they better be prepared to join Sean Miller in cleaning the toilets and mopping the floors in the locker room. The university is fucked. To avoid exigency, just about everyone who isn't in administration, actively teaching classes, or in a "continued status" position will be gone. Wave at the tenured professors mowing the grass on the Mall, and the deans picking up trash.

I doubt any flagship public R1 in the country is as bad off as the U of A.

Isn’t the athletic dept more autonomous since it’s self funded?
And why are the schools hurting so much? I didn’t get a refund for all the on -campus stuff they charge you for.

In our normal thinking, yes. But in a way you wouldn't think of in a university with such severe financial problems, you suddenly realize that, no, in fact they bleed over to one another. When Sean Miller gets a hornet nest in his office window, a support staff member calls facilities management, which sends a campus-employed crew to blast insect poison on the situation. There isn't one crew who exterminates coaches' offices, and another crew who exterminates hornets nests across the street at the library.

Add that to the fact that athletics programs depend on basketball and football revenues, what happens when there aren't any ticket sales?

"What? Is this guy actually suggesting that university might not be able to employ its necessary manual laborers anymore?"

Yes, that's what I'm suggesting. Mass layoffs that will ripple through Tucson. On top of the substantial pay cut forced on those who will stay in their jobs. And that's regardless of whether the fall re-entry plan works or not. If in-person classes aren't held in the fall, I doubt we'll see even the hornet-blaster dudes.

Just read that they are looking into selling the campus farm

84Cat wrote:Just read that they are looking into selling the campus farm

And they should have sold the campus parking garages and lots years ago.

I'm completely lost when it comes to aligning these possibilities of incoming recruits and a basketball season with the reality of what's happening. The depth of the problem isn't transparent, but however deep, it's so far beyond grave.

Longhorned wrote:

Postmaster wrote:

Longhorned wrote:If these recruits show up to campus they better be prepared to join Sean Miller in cleaning the toilets and mopping the floors in the locker room. The university is fucked. To avoid exigency, just about everyone who isn't in administration, actively teaching classes, or in a "continued status" position will be gone. Wave at the tenured professors mowing the grass on the Mall, and the deans picking up trash.

I doubt any flagship public R1 in the country is as bad off as the U of A.

Isn’t the athletic dept more autonomous since it’s self funded?
And why are the schools hurting so much? I didn’t get a refund for all the on -campus stuff they charge you for.

In our normal thinking, yes. But in a way you wouldn't think of in a university with such severe financial problems, you suddenly realize that, no, in fact they bleed over to one another. When Sean Miller gets a hornet nest in his office window, a support staff member calls facilities management, which sends a campus-employed crew to blast insect poison on the situation. There isn't one crew who exterminates coaches' offices, and another crew who exterminates hornets nests across the street at the library.

Add that to the fact that athletics programs depend on basketball and football revenues, what happens when there aren't any ticket sales?

"What? Is this guy actually suggesting that university might not be able to employ its necessary manual laborers anymore?"

Yes, that's what I'm suggesting. Mass layoffs that will ripple through Tucson. On top of the substantial pay cut forced on those who will stay in their jobs. And that's regardless of whether the fall re-entry plan works or not. If in-person classes aren't held in the fall, I doubt we'll see even the hornet-blaster dudes.

Besides all that Mrs. Lincoln, how did you enjoy the play?

Nice to see Arizona quietly secure a top-five class, at least according to 247. Not sure if this unique class (3 or 4 international players) represents a shift in philosophy or was put together out of desperation, but the nice thing is that there is a prospect of a number of these players sticking around for more than one year so that there is experience and depth moving forward.

84Cat wrote:Just read that they are looking into selling the campus farm

Woh link? They just took over the Al Marah Arabian Horse Ranch off Bear Canyon last year

midnightx wrote:Nice to see Arizona quietly secure a top-five class, at least according to 247. Not sure if this unique class (3 or 4 international players) represents a shift in philosophy or was put together out of desperation, but the nice thing is that there is a prospect of a number of these players sticking around for more than one year so that there is experience and depth moving forward.

It's actually 6 international recruits. Terry is the only American kid.

Jefe wrote:

84Cat wrote:Just read that they are looking into selling the campus farm

Woh link? They just took over the Al Marah Arabian Horse Ranch off Bear Canyon last year

It was being discussed in our neighborhood Nextdoor app but here is a link I found

https://blogforarizona.net/will-uarizon ... ends-meet/" target="_blank

Found this new highlight reel of Kriisa.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93QZFVVJvRk" target="_blank

ChooChooCat wrote:Found this new highlight reel of Kriisa.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93QZFVVJvRk" target="_blank

Starting over TBrown by conference season.

IndianaZonaFan wrote:

ChooChooCat wrote:Found this new highlight reel of Kriisa.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93QZFVVJvRk" target="_blank

Starting over TBrown by conference season.

If it's up to me it'd be well before that.

IndianaZonaFan wrote:

ChooChooCat wrote:Found this new highlight reel of Kriisa.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93QZFVVJvRk" target="_blank

Starting over TBrown by conference season.

Miller is a Nõid.

ChooChooCat wrote:Found this new highlight reel of Kriisa.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93QZFVVJvRk" target="_blank

Looking at these highlights Kriisa strikes me as an Estonian version of Peyton Pritchard

ChooChooCat wrote:Found this new highlight reel of Kriisa.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93QZFVVJvRk" target="_blank

Reminds me of Kevin Pangos.

Kind of an odd shooting form.
Even stranger music

The thing that caught my eye was not Terry wanting to be OAD but the NCAA charging agents 150K to be "approved",. Those MF'ers are as corrupt as politicians

Hopes to be is fine. Will be no matter what is not.

PHXCATS wrote:Hopes to be is fine. Will be no matter what is not.

Is your translator here?

Not impressed.

Even Stanley Johnson knew what not to say.

Pit stop U

azgreg wrote:

PHXCATS wrote:Hopes to be is fine. Will be no matter what is not.

Is your translator here?

Every play should strive to be a one and done. That means they excel and develop well.

But when you go into it determined to be a one and done and leave even when it is not in your best interest, that is an issue.

Nothing wrong with striving to be a one and done.

Yes I believe he can make me a better player all around the game of basketball to help me fulfill my dreams.

In college I want to win a National Championship and become a one-and-done prospect

I don't see any reason to get upset with that quote. That would be like someone going to med school saying they want to be top of their class and go to a top destination. It doesn't sound great to us as fans, but it's a reasonable thing for a player to think.

And complaining about our program on this? Stupid. He discusses how Sean can develop him and help him fulfill his dreams. If he actually becomes a OAD, then that would back that up.

He wants to become a OAD prospect. He didn't say he for sure is one. If he can pull that off we'll be better than we thought.

You don't say you want to be one-and-done. If you are one-and-done, you don't say it. If you aren't and you're hoping you're going to be good enough to be one-and-done, it's like taking a new sales job and telling your boss, "I hope I sell so many units, you never ask why I spend so much time with your technically adult children, and then I throw them into a duck pond and marry a bunch of other people."

The biggest disappointment I have with what Dalen said is not that he wants to be a one and done, it is that feeling it gives me (which we have seen way to much recently) that if he perceives he is not being showcased how he wants he will be quick to leave either through transfer or to the G League/Overseas.

I cannot think of any student who would not drop out of college to make $500K per year to play basketball all day.

Ned Zissou wrote:I cannot think of any student who would not drop out of college to make $500K per year to play basketball all day.

Soloman Hill played 4 years and makes $12 million/year. How much is Grant Jarrett making? How about Stanley Johnson? Crazy that TJ & Stanley make about the same amount of money now

Most of you on this very message board as adults have typed things that were way more idiotic than that. For fucks sake, who cares what an 18 year old said he hopes to be.

Olsondogg wrote:Most of you on this very message board as adults have typed things that were way more idiotic than that. For fucks sake, who cares what an 18 year old said he hopes to be.

Well, who cares what people on this board say about what a prospect says? (Oops, did I just care what someone says about what someone else says about what a prospect says?)