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so youre saying that was a poor return on that investment????Olsondogg wrote:So basically we got really fucked on Josiah Turner.
Yeah I brought him up. Still my favorite all time thread.
Absolutely. If he sat down it would've been merely to listen how it'd help the program if at all. I bet Book told him about it, he said maybe, and that was that.97cats wrote:further, he doesn't need and/or want an annuity -- its not about the extra money for Joe, hes got his from far, far more reaching places than his salary as an assistant and/or a coach and certainly isn't on the take to get his, he has no need.ChooChooCat wrote:
Quite frankly Pasternack is too much of a paranoid pussy to go in on this deal and I'm EXTREMELY confident in saying that. He'd possibly listen, but that's as far as it'd go.
Not for Tucson weed dealers97cats wrote:so youre saying that was a poor return on that investment????Olsondogg wrote:So basically we got really fucked on Josiah Turner.
Yeah I brought him up. Still my favorite all time thread.
ahhhhhhhh, the Sonny Vicarro shadow -- youre a smart man, Al.Alieberman wrote:How much do rivals and scout make per each kid they put in their top 15?
I'm assuming they are not actually ranking kids solely based on skill?
like I said its not linear and there may have been the promise for more, I have no idea.NYCat wrote:Brian Bowen was #19 and got 100, Quinerly got 15. I'm offended for Quin.
That was what struck me as odd. Quinerly was 4-5 spots lower than Bowen, so i figured if Bowen was getting 100, Quinerly would have been 60-75 at least and the 15k was a weird amount.NYCat wrote:Scout: 2297cats wrote:what was Quin ranked by Rivals and Scout??Spaceman Spiff wrote:
This cuts to a question I was interested in. Book said he needed 15k to finish the recruitment of Quinerly and it was implied he'd previously given money to Quinerly. Why would he (or anyone) lay in the vast majority of the money pre-commit?
It just sounds wrong that if most players are getting 150ish that Book would do 135k pre-commit then beg the extra 15k from a relative stranger. Or why it would be that amount that put it over the top at all. Just odd to me.
exact ranking
Rivals' 22
ESPN: 23
247: 14
Composite: 19
I guess he missed the cut off point
But how does one fiddy go down to only 15k for top 25 player, why not 75 or 80 or 60 or 40 or something that's not as low as 15
Bowen was 20-15 ish and got 100
Don’t big business that’s in bed with NCAA own all recruiting websites. CBS owns scout last I checked...yahoo bought rivals...97cats wrote:ahhhhhhhh, the Sonny Vicarro shadow -- youre a smart man, Al.Alieberman wrote:How much do rivals and scout make per each kid they put in their top 15?
I'm assuming they are not actually ranking kids solely based on skill?
yes but I don't think any of it goes all the way up on the cash payouts, the Vicarro reference was really picking on him from back in the late 80'/90's when he made what we're discussing in vogue...eventually he even grew out of that.Olsondogg wrote:
Don’t big business that’s in bed with NCAA own all recruiting websites. CBS owns scout last I checked...yahoo bought rivals...
Russ breathes this stuff....and NCAA compliance or lack thereof, as well as scandal at other programs is a big thing for him. He would have found this place on his own. But I'd start with the other UCLA guy--what's his name?TucsonClip wrote:
First, who the F sent Russ Smith a link here? perma-ban ASAP.
Second, here is the exact quote, since you like to post with less than 100% accuracy when citing quotes from the article:
So you know more than Sood did in the report?Sood told an FBI witness on March 14 that "the (Arizona) coaches are interested in definitely working with us."
"As of now, the coaches haven't asked for anything," he told the witness, "but I'm sure when the time comes, they will, right?"
no question and that's why this is so massive and I'm speculating that the FBI got involved, cause this has seemingly polluted a huge part of corporate America.Olsondogg wrote:Got it. But those companies have a lot to lose if/when shit goes down.
you think Bagley and Duval went to Duke cause they wanted to be Blue Devils???Bosy Billups wrote:How much did Bagley get, if anything at all, because we're talking about Duke where it's a privilege to even step on campus with the great Coach K?
97cats wrote:no question and that's why this is so massive and I'm speculating that the FBI got involved, cause this has seemingly polluted a huge part of corporate America.Olsondogg wrote:Got it. But those companies have a lot to lose if/when shit goes down.
the FBI doesn't give a fuck ultimately about Book Richardson and Tony Bland, they care about the money laundering from the shoe companies across state lines and the gargantuan profits that are made as a result of the illegal comingling and bribing of big business.
the NCAA however does give a big flying fuck.
I 100% agree -- and further they were complicit.Olsondogg wrote:
I’d agree with that last sentence up and until it blows into a “too big to fail” scenario like the banks in ‘09. The last think the NCAA wants is fans to become disinterested in the product. They were happy to keep hitting knuckles when they found them, but they don’t want this blowing up. IMO.
Scary for everyone cause of power to do what NCAA couldn’t and won’t...97cats wrote:I 100% agree -- and further they were complicit.Olsondogg wrote:
I’d agree with that last sentence up and until it blows into a “too big to fail” scenario like the banks in ‘09. The last think the NCAA wants is fans to become disinterested in the product. They were happy to keep hitting knuckles when they found them, but they don’t want this blowing up. IMO.
now that the FBI is here, they have no choice, and that's the scary part to me.
Could be political. Odd that they're going after a foreign entity Adidas, when Nike could have easily been their prime target. Hmm.97cats wrote:no question and that's why this is so massive and I'm speculating that the FBI got involved, cause this has seemingly polluted a huge part of corporate America.Olsondogg wrote:Got it. But those companies have a lot to lose if/when shit goes down.
the FBI doesn't give a fuck ultimately about Book Richardson and Tony Bland, they care about the money laundering from the shoe companies across state lines and the gargantuan profits that are made as a result of the illegal comingling and bribing of big business.
the NCAA however does give a big flying fuck about Richardson and Bland and everyone else.
Adidas has always been the sloppy and direct player of those involved -- brash even.Bosy Billups wrote:
Could be political. Odd that they're going after a foreign entity Adidas, when Nike could have easily been their prime target. Hmm.
Thanks again 97. When you come back, mind explaining the seemingly change of opinion from the last two days?97cats wrote:alright, Dudes peace out till later -- my gut tells me Miller is gonna have a tough time surviving this.
if he does, he really is a Witch.
97cats wrote:alright, Dudes peace out till later -- my gut tells me Miller is gonna have a tough time surviving this.
if he does, he really is a Witch.
97cats wrote:alright, Dudes peace out till later -- my gut tells me Miller is gonna have a tough time surviving this.
if he does, he really is a Witch.
If he doesn't, grabbing Romar is the pimpest, most loyal shit ever. He'd be the ideal replacement facing sanctions. Sad, bear down for CSM for hopefully many more years!97cats wrote:alright, Dudes peace out till later -- my gut tells me Miller is gonna have a tough time surviving this.
if he does, he really is a Witch.
Adidas and UA were/are the ones trying to get up in the door and up their market share. Nike has been at this longer than anyone.Bosy Billups wrote:Could be political. Odd that they're going after a foreign entity Adidas, when Nike could have easily been their prime target. Hmm.97cats wrote:no question and that's why this is so massive and I'm speculating that the FBI got involved, cause this has seemingly polluted a huge part of corporate America.Olsondogg wrote:Got it. But those companies have a lot to lose if/when shit goes down.
the FBI doesn't give a fuck ultimately about Book Richardson and Tony Bland, they care about the money laundering from the shoe companies across state lines and the gargantuan profits that are made as a result of the illegal comingling and bribing of big business.
the NCAA however does give a big flying fuck about Richardson and Bland and everyone else.
Yeah, geez, thanks for killing my night's sleep with that last drop.dolemite79 wrote:whoa whoa whoa, what A cliffhanger. Why the change? you said no chance miller gets fired97cats wrote:alright, Dudes peace out till later -- my gut tells me Miller is gonna have a tough time surviving this.
if he does, he really is a Witch.
Not to speak for him, but if anything, probably mountig pressure from the outside to can him or do somethingdolemite79 wrote:97cats wrote:alright, Dudes peace out till later -- my gut tells me Miller is gonna have a tough time surviving this.
if he does, he really is a Witch.
whoa whoa whoa, what A cliffhanger. Why the change? you said no chance miller gets fired
Nice. 97 talked us off the ledge and now he's inviting us to take a step closer to see the amazing view of the street way down below.CalStateTempe wrote:Eek no bueno. .something changed or must of come to light.
Promise?Longhorned wrote:it's okay
Longhorned wrote:it's okay
If you read their boards, they think duke is a big enough of a draw where they don't need to pay for kids.97cats wrote:you think Bagley and Duval went to Duke cause they wanted to be Blue Devils???Bosy Billups wrote:How much did Bagley get, if anything at all, because we're talking about Duke where it's a privilege to even step on campus with the great Coach K?
Every team's fans thinks they're the ones that don't need to get dirty.MrBug708 wrote:If you read their boards, they think duke is a big enough of a draw where they don't need to pay for kids.97cats wrote:you think Bagley and Duval went to Duke cause they wanted to be Blue Devils???Bosy Billups wrote:How much did Bagley get, if anything at all, because we're talking about Duke where it's a privilege to even step on campus with the great Coach K?
All of this should have went down with Sidney as it was super transparent
Or Wilkes.MrBug708 wrote:Howland was definitely dirty at the end and it didn't save him. I can't imagine Alford' s charm pulled in Looney
You said you were hoping "as many as possible who have in fact participated in this corruption becomes a convicted felon and does hard time. Period." And that athletes and their families would "turn state evidence".pc in NM wrote:If one of the assistants, or one of the Shoe Company people charged with one of the crimes involving fraud by causing an ineligible player to receive a scholarship implicates another assistant or head coach in that payment, I believe they would be equally subject to being charged.Chicat wrote: Any thoughts on what charges they'll be brought up on? You see what Book was charged with? What circumstances are you envisioning here?
You are literally the only person I've seen accusing players, and family & friends of those players, of federal crimes that would precipitate them telling the FBI about other federal crimes. Tax evasion across the board?
I expect Pitino will be charged with either fraud or conspiracy to commit fraud.
I believe that that is precisely how continuing criminal investigations proceed, and the reason the FBI suggested that parties contact them before waiting to be contacted ("We have your playbook....")
I have yet to see any commentators who are not expecting the ongoing investigation to yield many more charges.
I may be mistaken that the players or their representatives who solicited or accepted payments are subject to criminal prosecution, but I fully expect that the FBI will attempt to interview them. I suspect that tax evasion would be a separate matter addressed by the IRS; that would be avoided by declaring the income, which declaration/documentation would then be available as evidence in the FBI prosecutions.
Do you see any of this differently?