Bear Down Wildcats

ChooChooCat wrote:

Longhorned wrote:Other than ticket sales, what good can come of Thursday's game against SJSU? What are we hoping for? PT for our bench?

How about 25 minutes of Baker, Hazzard, Green, Gettings, and Koloko?

It's a warmup for New Mexico State, which honestly will be our toughest game to date. Work more on defense and rotation and quite possibly work another guy into the rotation.

I sure hope that possibility happens.

I can't tell you how much I am excited about this team. We have the potential to be the national champion. We are already a final four caliber team with a lot of potential. What I like is the unselfish, team first attitude. They won't need to worry about winning or the score as much as honoring the process. Keep working on improving as a team and everything will fall in place.

I actually purchased DVR service for the first time in years because I don't want to miss a game. This is the most fun team to watch in the CSM era. IMO, the last time the Cats had a team this good was the 2000-2001 season. And that says a lot. The entire bench, who is on scholarship, could start for a lot of teams. And we haven't even seen Doutrive play yet. The team is so fun to watch because of their pace, hustle, and team IQ. Plus, a PG who is very comfortable playing this pace. We have had a lot of exceptional PGs, but I can't recall one as good as Mannion, at least when he is in a zone. What amazes me about Mannion is his composure, even at a fast pace. He rarely makes mistakes.

One last point, our entire scholarship players deserve PT. And every one of them could be in a starting lineup for another team. I would love to see if this team could play a full-court press for an entire game.

Free Koloko.

Catintheheat wrote:I can't tell you how much I am excited about this team. We have the potential to be the national champion.

So much of that potential hinges on team defense, transition defense, and rebounding. Two of those three were much better realized in the second half against Illinois. With Miller as the coach, I like this team's chances for realizing its potential for all three.

But it all comes down to Nico. The offense sputtered whenever he was on the bench this last game. It's a different team when he's on the floor. And his importance is so central that, believe it or not, the home crowd is different when he's on the floor. The cohesion and ballsy-ness spreads throughout McKale, and it deflates a bit when he sits. So imagine how important he's going to be to his teammates in hostile and neutral arenas. I haven't seen anything like it in a while.

Longhorned wrote:

Catintheheat wrote:I can't tell you how much I am excited about this team. We have the potential to be the national champion.

So much of that potential hinges on team defense, transition defense, and rebounding. Two of those three were much better realized in the second half against Illinois. With Miller as the coach, I like this team's chances for realizing its potential for all three.

But it all comes down to Nico. The offense sputtered whenever he was on the bench this last game. It's a different team when he's on the floor. And his importance is so central that, believe it or not, the home crowd is different when he's on the floor. The cohesion and ballsy-ness spreads throughout McKale, and it deflates a bit when he sits. So imagine how important he's going to be to his teammates in hostile and neutral arenas. I haven't seen anything like it in a while.

Zeke and Chase play well together, but would it bolster our backup squad and serve to ameliorate our Nico dependency to shift Jeter from the starting lineup to a later entry? I could see a trial of it when playing soft OOC teams, then reverting to form with stiffer competition to see if it helps.

The defense on this team needs to improve a lot. There were several layups and drives by Illinois that showed the vulnerability. I’d be willing to bet that Illinois team will end up 4th or so in the BIG this year, but probably 6 or 7th in the PAC.

If people are talking about a run this year after 2 games, I can’t fault them except to point out how well the Illini shot in the first half and how poorly they handled the ball. If Nico hadn’t been on fire in the first 10 or so minutes, that game coulda gone much differently.

Defense always travels and can keep you in ugly games where shots won’t fall or unfortunate circumstances (#PAC12refs) appear. Arizona hovering around 30th on defense isn’t a recipe for a natty.

Miller confirmed that Doutrive could be back for Thursday's game. Unless DD does something historically stupid I'd expect him to play.

dovecanyoncat wrote:

Longhorned wrote:

Catintheheat wrote:I can't tell you how much I am excited about this team. We have the potential to be the national champion.

So much of that potential hinges on team defense, transition defense, and rebounding. Two of those three were much better realized in the second half against Illinois. With Miller as the coach, I like this team's chances for realizing its potential for all three.

But it all comes down to Nico. The offense sputtered whenever he was on the bench this last game. It's a different team when he's on the floor. And his importance is so central that, believe it or not, the home crowd is different when he's on the floor. The cohesion and ballsy-ness spreads throughout McKale, and it deflates a bit when he sits. So imagine how important he's going to be to his teammates in hostile and neutral arenas. I haven't seen anything like it in a while.

Zeke and Chase play well together, but would it bolster our backup squad and serve to ameliorate our Nico dependency to shift Jeter from the starting lineup to a later entry? I could see a trial of it when playing soft OOC teams, then reverting to form with stiffer competition to see if it helps.

We need Jeter's defense and IQ in the starting lineup, especially with Zeke and Nico still way behind on defense.

ChooChooCat wrote:Miller confirmed that Doutrive could be back for Thursday's game. Unless DD does something historically stupid I'd expect him to play.

Now it's really time to ride on our enemies.

Olsondogg wrote:The defense on this team needs to improve a lot. There were several layups and drives by Illinois that showed the vulnerability. I’d be willing to bet that Illinois team will end up 4th or so in the BIG this year, but probably 6 or 7th in the PAC.

If people are talking about a run this year after 2 games, I can’t fault them except to point out how well the Illini shot in the first half and how poorly they handled the ball. If Nico hadn’t been on fire in the first 10 or so minutes, that game coulda gone much differently.

Defense always travels and can keep you in ugly games where shots won’t fall or unfortunate circumstances (#PAC12refs) appear. Arizona hovering around 30th on defense isn’t a recipe for a natty.

Part of the optimism is that everyone looks motivated and coachable on D. The packline is complicated enough that it can take time.

I think it's less about where we are now and more about how we project down the line when our new guys have a few months under their belts. On the upside, we do not have anyone who brings physical limitations a la PJC or Dusan unless you count Hazzard in a limited role.

Green is easily our best on ball defender, IMO. Getting him, Nico and Nnaji up to speed on weakside help and rotations is a major goal that could make us a much better team.

Just a reminder that there will be games that our freshmen play like freshmen.

Alieberman wrote:Just a reminder that there will be games that our freshmen play like freshmen.

Which is why the defense needs improvement.

Talk to me on December 15th and then I’ll give you a tourney prediction for this team. We will learn a lot going to Baylor and welcoming in Gonzaga in an 8 day stretch.

Olsondogg wrote:

Alieberman wrote:Just a reminder that there will be games that our freshmen play like freshmen.

Which is why the defense needs improvement.

And why it's good we have an experienced guy to take over for each one of the freshmen.

Nnaji can give way to Jeter, Gettings and Lee if Zeke's off.

Green's minutes can go to Doutrive, Smith and Hazzard.

Baker can take over for Nico.

Stuff happens, but we have experienced depth to cover for freshmen moments and/or foul trouble. I sort of like it like that, where we sub depth and experience when youth and talent struggles.

Spaceman Spiff wrote:

Olsondogg wrote:

Alieberman wrote:Just a reminder that there will be games that our freshmen play like freshmen.

Which is why the defense needs improvement.

And why it's good we have an experienced guy to take over for each one of the freshmen.

Nnaji can give way to Jeter, Gettings and Lee if Zeke's off.

Green's minutes can go to Doutrive, Smith and Hazzard.

Baker can take over for Nico.

Stuff happens, but we have experienced depth to cover for freshmen moments and/or foul trouble. I sort of like it like that, where we sub depth and experience when youth and talent struggles.

I get it, we are 2 games into the season and I'm fine where the team is at.

With that said, there are some issues that need addressing. It's games like this Thursday where hopefully some younger guys and guys who aren't high anymore, can get some run and flow as a team.

Defense of the three will be THE major issue for this team...last game Ill hit three 3's in the first 4 minutes...after that they shot 12 more and only hit 2...so...adjustment...pack line's achilles heel is the three and weak side slacking cover that leads to fouls...which this team demonstrated...BUT they are young and these next two games are mostly about these issues AND learning what a foul is in college (as well as Pac 12 which is a different beast as well)...

I also want to see how this team handles a road game in a hostile environment. I'm as excited as everyone else but we are just 2 games into the season so we are WIP until we check off a few more boxes.

But have to admit I'm a touch giddy to think what this team will become come March.

EastCoastCat wrote:I also want to see how this team handles a road game in a hostile environment. I'm as excited as everyone else but we are just 2 games into the season so we are WIP until we check off a few more boxes.

But have to admit I'm a touch giddy to think what this team will become come March.

This team has a different feel for sure. The whole season has a different feel. Maybe that will last or maybe not, cause of course this is Arizona basketball.

Olsondogg wrote:

EastCoastCat wrote:I also want to see how this team handles a road game in a hostile environment. I'm as excited as everyone else but we are just 2 games into the season so we are WIP until we check off a few more boxes.

But have to admit I'm a touch giddy to think what this team will become come March.

This team has a different feel for sure. The whole season has a different feel. Maybe that will last or maybe not, cause of course this is Arizona basketball.

Agreed, and it's about time good fortune befalls this program and CSM.

We sure fucking deserve it imo.

Nico has the open court style of Luke Ridnour, but seems to see the floor even better.

As team defense improves, I’m curious to see Koloko get an opportunity. I bet he sees significant minutes against SJSU.

We’re going to be a much better team in January than we are now.

Just stay healthy!!!!

Olsondogg wrote:

EastCoastCat wrote:I also want to see how this team handles a road game in a hostile environment. I'm as excited as everyone else but we are just 2 games into the season so we are WIP until we check off a few more boxes.

But have to admit I'm a touch giddy to think what this team will become come March.

This team has a different feel for sure. The whole season has a different feel. Maybe that will last or maybe not, cause of course this is Arizona basketball.

Olsondogg wrote:

Spaceman Spiff wrote:

Olsondogg wrote:

Alieberman wrote:Just a reminder that there will be games that our freshmen play like freshmen.

Which is why the defense needs improvement.

And why it's good we have an experienced guy to take over for each one of the freshmen.

Nnaji can give way to Jeter, Gettings and Lee if Zeke's off.

Green's minutes can go to Doutrive, Smith and Hazzard.

Baker can take over for Nico.

Stuff happens, but we have experienced depth to cover for freshmen moments and/or foul trouble. I sort of like it like that, where we sub depth and experience when youth and talent struggles.

I get it, we are 2 games into the season and I'm fine where the team is at.

With that said, there are some issues that need addressing. It's games like this Thursday where hopefully some younger guys and guys who aren't high anymore, can get some run and flow as a team.

I agree. That's a reason why one the things that makes me optimistic is that the vibe seems to be working hard, being unselfish and being open to learning.

I feel like none of our issues are incurable. How well we work to cure them...you never know that part.

I don't know that anyone in the country has put together a more convincing win than we delivered against Illinois. The first half was tight, but in total we thoroughly controlled both sides of the ball holding the Illini to 0.90ppp while we put up 1.17ppp. Rebounds, free throws, assists, steals, blocks, scoring... it all went our way against a quality / top 50 opponent.

There are teams with tougher wins, but they were ugly wins - Duke and Kentucky got some good W's in the first week but they looked sloppy as all hell. UNC looks deeply flawed with Cole Anthony taking 24 shots a game. Washington beat Baylor in game where neither team looked even decent on offense. Ohio St the same over Cincy. Texas beat Purdue but gave up 17 offensive boards and allowed Purdue to shoot 50% from deep. Florida State beat a Florida team that just looked bad.

I'd take our performance over every other team in the country. Louisville's win at Miami was the closet in all around excellence. I like what Oregon is doing though they haven't played a threatening team yet (let's see how they do tonight against Memphis).

It's early, but this is a team that was supposed to need time to figure it out. Right now we're playing better basketball than the majority of the Final Four favorites.

PAC-12 Arizona is replaying the Illinois game tonight at 6.

azgreg wrote:PAC-12 Arizona is replaying the Illinois game tonight at 6.

5:30 - 7:00pm is what I'm seeing

YoDeFoe wrote:

azgreg wrote:PAC-12 Arizona is replaying the Illinois game tonight at 6.

5:30 - 7:00pm is what I'm seeing

You're right. My mistake.

Rewatching this... (thank you azgreg)

You know what stands out to me? Dylan Smith taking questionable shots and making poor passes. Doutrive absorbing some of those minutes should be a plus for us (...let me tell you something you don't know).

The three point and penetration defensive struggles from the first half are completely forgivable to me - the Illinois guards are truly elite in those two areas. We should have been prepared for it but it's okay to struggle against it and adjust.

YoDeFoe wrote:Rewatching this... (thank you azgreg)

You know what stands out to me? Dylan Smith taking questionable shots and making poor passes. Doutrive absorbing some of those minutes should be a plus for us (...let me tell you something you don't know).

The three point and penetration defensive struggles from the first half are completely forgivable to me - the Illinois guards are truly elite in those two areas. We should have been prepared for it but it's okay to struggle against it and adjust.

Yep, but to his credit Smith really harassed Ayo Dosunmu and I noticed Miller put him in to curb any momentum they might get from him...

Kentucky was damn near the unanimous number one and they just lost a game they were favored in by 25 points to Evansville. We look like fucking roses compared to the top ten right now and I'm going to blame Larry Scott and the Pac-12 for no one knowing about it. The broadcast crew were raving about how much credit Arizona should get and that Illinois still looks like a tournament team despite the loss... and the media response is "but how are we to know if Arizona is good or if Illinois is bad?" Hint: watch the game.

YoDeFoe wrote:Kentucky was damn near the unanimous number one and they just lost a game they were favored in by 25 points to Evansville. We look like fucking roses compared to the top ten right now and I'm going to blame Larry Scott and the Pac-12 for no one knowing about it. The broadcast crew were raving about how much credit Arizona should get and that Illinois still looks like a tournament team despite the loss... and the media response is "but how are we to know if Arizona is good or if Illinois is bad?" Hint: watch the game.

Bilas and whassisface just gave us and the Pac in general some credit. Let’s see if we can not stub our own toes during the non-conf season.

ByJoveByJingle wrote:

YoDeFoe wrote:Kentucky was damn near the unanimous number one and they just lost a game they were favored in by 25 points to Evansville. We look like fucking roses compared to the top ten right now and I'm going to blame Larry Scott and the Pac-12 for no one knowing about it. The broadcast crew were raving about how much credit Arizona should get and that Illinois still looks like a tournament team despite the loss... and the media response is "but how are we to know if Arizona is good or if Illinois is bad?" Hint: watch the game.

Bilas and whassisface just gave us and the Pac in general some credit. Let’s see if we can not stub our own toes during the non-conf season.

Nope. Didn't happen. Fake News.

ByJoveByJingle wrote:

YoDeFoe wrote:Kentucky was damn near the unanimous number one and they just lost a game they were favored in by 25 points to Evansville. We look like fucking roses compared to the top ten right now and I'm going to blame Larry Scott and the Pac-12 for no one knowing about it. The broadcast crew were raving about how much credit Arizona should get and that Illinois still looks like a tournament team despite the loss... and the media response is "but how are we to know if Arizona is good or if Illinois is bad?" Hint: watch the game.

Bilas and whassisface just gave us and the Pac in general some credit. Let’s see if we can not stub our own toes during the non-conf season.

He just gave Zeke Nnaji credit, and didn't even pronounce his name correctly.

ya Bilas said he was blown away at how good Nnaji was - let’s see how Oregon responds here.

Wiseman will be a factor in the second half.

Glad Oregon won, bummer that New Mexico State just lost.

Pac is back. AZ, Oregon and UW will all be in contention for protected seeds this year.

Loving this.

Colorado and USC are pretty good too - Oregon State isn’t too shabby either

97cats wrote:Colorado and USC are pretty good too - Oregon State isn’t too shabby either

It's exciting. Don't wanna get too optimistic too quickly, but barring a surprise, I'm looking for the Pac to get at least five bids this year. At least.

97cats wrote:Colorado and USC are pretty good too - Oregon State isn’t too shabby either

The Tinkle family going to put out some hits this years on opposing players that have the potential to ruin this season for the conference. Such a dirty family.

UofAlum05 wrote:

97cats wrote:Colorado and USC are pretty good too - Oregon State isn’t too shabby either

The Tinkle family going to put out some hits this years on opposing players that have the potential to ruin this season for the conference. Such a dirty family.

Rumor has it that their last name is actually “Urinate” but that they changed it to the less-technical sounding “Tinkle” to make it easier to remember and to spare the family embarrassment.

Beachcat97 wrote:

UofAlum05 wrote:

97cats wrote:Colorado and USC are pretty good too - Oregon State isn’t too shabby either

The Tinkle family going to put out some hits this years on opposing players that have the potential to ruin this season for the conference. Such a dirty family.

Rumor has it that their last name is actually “Urinate” but that they changed it to the less-technical sounding “Tinkle” to make it easier to remember and to spare the family embarrassment.

Being named Tres Tinkle makes him a French Tinkler, right?

san jose st game thread is up

Wiseman dropped the lawsuit and now Memphis is holding him out of games. If the NCAA has any issues with this won't they have to forfeit this season for playing an ineligible player?

per Scheer - Devonaire will play tonight.

per me - 101-40

Jefe wrote:Wiseman dropped the lawsuit and now Memphis is holding him out of games. If the NCAA has any issues with this won't they have to forfeit this season for playing an ineligible player?

Only the games he played in

The genius Seth has us as a 2nd weekend team! And that’s a big surprise. And Washington is a final four team.

Chase Jeter is tied with Ira Lee for lowest usage rate on the team and I did not see that happening coming into the season

Any nationally televised games for Arizona this year?

enfuego wrote:Any nationally televised games for Arizona this year?

Are they still putting the Final Four on National tv?

enfuego wrote:Any nationally televised games for Arizona this year?

Do you really want to talk about nationally televised games

Yeah what’s up with jeter

Shrinking from the spotlight

enfuego wrote:Any nationally televised games for Arizona this year?

Is this what your smack talk has been reduced to?