Bear Down Wildcats

ChooChooCat wrote:Terry started in '97 prior to Simon returning from.his academic suspension. Terry willingly stepped aside so Simon could start. Guys were a different breed back then.

I'd forgotten about Simon's academic troubles. Still, though, I think we can agree that the '97 team over-achieved. The '98 team was the one many had pegged to reach the FF and maybe win it all. 17-1 in Pac, 30-5 overall, #1 seed in the West. And that team got run out of the building by Rick Majerus and the Utes. I remember watching it in the MGM Grand sportsbook. Brutal.

Plenty of other schools have gotten hot in March and crashed the FF, but not too many have actually won it all. But you could also see that '97 team and outcome as the culmination of something Lute had spent over a decade building in Tucson.

Beachcat97 wrote:I'd forgotten about Simon's academic troubles.

Didn't he sue the UA for releasing his GPA or something? Violation of FERPA so Miles must have won.

Beachcat97 wrote:

ChooChooCat wrote:Terry started in '97 prior to Simon returning from.his academic suspension. Terry willingly stepped aside so Simon could start. Guys were a different breed back then.

I'd forgotten about Simon's academic troubles. Still, though, I think we can agree that the '97 team over-achieved. The '98 team was the one many had pegged to reach the FF and maybe win it all. 17-1 in Pac, 30-5 overall, #1 seed in the West. And that team got run out of the building by Rick Majerus and the Utes. I remember watching it in the MGM Grand sportsbook. Brutal.

Plenty of other schools have gotten hot in March and crashed the FF, but not too many have actually won it all. But you could also see that '97 team and outcome as the culmination of something Lute had spent over a decade building in Tucson.

It's truly amazing the things had went wrong that year that ultimately ended up going right for us. Stephen Jackson, a top notch recruit, didn't qualify, which led to more PT and development for Dickerson and Terry and add Simon's suspension, which led to further time and development for Terry, and then Simon's return and the time it took for the team to get ended up being the perfect time for the team to roll into the postseason. Truly a ridiculous combination of bad things that worked out in our favor in the end.

Dickerson was tremendous during Simon’s suspension. Without his stellar play, who knows what happens during the pre-conference schedule.

midnightx wrote:Dickerson was tremendous during Simon’s suspension. Without his stellar play, who knows what happens during the pre-conference schedule.

Dickerson might be the most underrated Wildcat ever. He didn't play well in the Final Four, so he isn't as well remembered, but he was a heck of a player. He was on his way to being an exceptional NBA player too.

Spaceman Spiff wrote:

midnightx wrote:Dickerson was tremendous during Simon’s suspension. Without his stellar play, who knows what happens during the pre-conference schedule.

Dickerson might be the most underrated Wildcat ever. He didn't play well in the Final Four, so he isn't as well remembered, but he was a heck of a player. He was on his way to being an exceptional NBA player too.

Oh Dickerson was a fantastic player. I remember thinking throughout the '97 and '98 seasons that he was our best pro prospect. Athletic, good shooter, good defender. He even averaged 18ppg one season in the NBA. Injuries got him.

Beachcat97 wrote:

Spaceman Spiff wrote:

midnightx wrote:Dickerson was tremendous during Simon’s suspension. Without his stellar play, who knows what happens during the pre-conference schedule.

Dickerson might be the most underrated Wildcat ever. He didn't play well in the Final Four, so he isn't as well remembered, but he was a heck of a player. He was on his way to being an exceptional NBA player too.

Oh Dickerson was a fantastic player. I remember thinking throughout the '97 and '98 seasons that he was our best pro prospect. Athletic, good shooter, good defender. He even averaged 18ppg one season in the NBA. Injuries got him.

I agree that Dickerson was our best player during his last 2 years. His athleticism was off the charts. Great defender too. His name should be in the rafters.

So we haven't kicked someone off the team yet?

Jaden McDaniels committed to UW.

ChooChooCat wrote:Jaden McDaniels committed to UW.

Wow. They're losing key players but gaining some gems.

ChooChooCat wrote:Jaden McDaniels committed to UW.

Huge get.

YoDeFoe wrote:

ChooChooCat wrote:Jaden McDaniels committed to UW.

Huge get.

Call me crazy, but I think he's exactly the kind of player that will struggle in his one-and-done season. He's purely a potential play, don't think he's ready to be a big time star in college right now.

goslingswagg wrote:

YoDeFoe wrote:

ChooChooCat wrote:Jaden McDaniels committed to UW.

Huge get.

Call me crazy, but I think he's exactly the kind of player that will struggle in his one-and-done season. He's purely a potential play, don't think he's ready to be a big time star in college right now.

I'm not really sure how he fits with Stewart either. It's a lot of size, but who gets them the ball?

goslingswagg wrote:

YoDeFoe wrote:

ChooChooCat wrote:Jaden McDaniels committed to UW.

Huge get.

Call me crazy, but I think he's exactly the kind of player that will struggle in his one-and-done season. He's purely a potential play, don't think he's ready to be a big time star in college right now.

He’s a “problem,” as they say these days. Long arms, athletic, and can create space off the dribble. He can play on the wing or in the low post. He’ll be a tough player defend.

But yeah, he’s also raw.

Beachcat97 wrote:

ChooChooCat wrote:Jaden McDaniels committed to UW.

Wow. They're losing key players but gaining some gems.

I'm inclined to believe UW has become the favorite to win the conference in landing 2 top seven recruits. Hopefully their coach understands how to get the most out of what he has and I believe he does.

azgreg wrote:

Good news. He has a very high ceiling if he can learn and develop here.

What is the back story with TA? Is he just worried about pt and being recruited over? Is he going to be high maintenance? He is looking like a transfer risk from my perspective

84Cat wrote:What is the back story with TA? Is he just worried about pt and being recruited over? Is he going to be high maintenance? He is looking like a transfer risk from my perspective

Little bit of PT and a little bit of other schools getting in his head over the FBI stuff. He'll start as a sophomore.

ChooChooCat wrote:

84Cat wrote:What is the back story with TA? Is he just worried about pt and being recruited over? Is he going to be high maintenance? He is looking like a transfer risk from my perspective

Little bit of PT and a little bit of other schools getting in his head over the FBI stuff. He'll start as a sophomore.

I actually think his PT situation is pretty solid..if we get Brown, seems like we may only have two true wings on the roster, one of which has a shoulder injury as of now. He will get minutes this year, we wouldn’t have any other options at the backup 3 spot and if Green gets injured, he would immediately be playing big minutes.

84Cat wrote:What is the back story with TA? Is he just worried about pt and being recruited over? Is he going to be high maintenance? He is looking like a transfer risk from my perspective

Didn't people just misread his tweets? lol

was there anything even there?

it was like Bledsoe saying he didn't wanna be here and everybody made it a big deal leading to him being traded.

SunnyAZ wrote:

84Cat wrote:What is the back story with TA? Is he just worried about pt and being recruited over? Is he going to be high maintenance? He is looking like a transfer risk from my perspective

Didn't people just misread his tweets? lol

was there anything even there?

it was like Bledsoe saying he didn't wanna be here and everybody made it a big deal leading to him being traded.

He was wavering in his commitment, but Miller ended that shit quick. The tweet stuff about him going to Michigan was people being morons quite frankly.

Love me some Terry Armstrong. He's got versatility that reminds me of Alkins but with added length and athleticism. Hoping he has health and a great sophomore leap in his future at Arizona.

Zeke Nnaji is on the Team USA U19 Training Camp invite list - finalists named on June 18th for the June 24th tournament.

Spaceman Spiff wrote:

goslingswagg wrote:

YoDeFoe wrote:

ChooChooCat wrote:Jaden McDaniels committed to UW.

Huge get.

Call me crazy, but I think he's exactly the kind of player that will struggle in his one-and-done season. He's purely a potential play, don't think he's ready to be a big time star in college right now.

I'm not really sure how he fits with Stewart either. It's a lot of size, but who gets them the ball?

Quade Green, former 5* and Kentucky transfer. Washington should be tough this year.

ASU trying to get real cute and will probably hire Prolific Prep's head coach as an assistant. Jordan Brown played at Prolific Prep.

ChooChooCat wrote:ASU trying to get real cute and will probably hire Prolific Prep's head coach as an assistant. Jordan Brown played at Prolific Prep.

More worried about the Nimari Burnett implications than the Jordan Brown ones tbh.

NYCat wrote:

Spaceman Spiff wrote:

goslingswagg wrote:

YoDeFoe wrote:

ChooChooCat wrote:Jaden McDaniels committed to UW.

Huge get.

Call me crazy, but I think he's exactly the kind of player that will struggle in his one-and-done season. He's purely a potential play, don't think he's ready to be a big time star in college right now.

I'm not really sure how he fits with Stewart either. It's a lot of size, but who gets them the ball?

Quade Green, former 5* and Kentucky transfer. Washington should be tough this year.

I still think it's our conference to lose. They have no backcourt besides Green with Nowell leaving. I have UW #3 behind us and Oregon.

loomer wrote: I still think it's our conference to lose. They have no backcourt besides Green with Nowell leaving. I have UW #3 behind us and Oregon.

The Oregon team that's losing Bol, King, Wooten and possibly Pritchard?

Baker took his spot.

ChooChooCat wrote:

Baker took his spot.

Sad, but not unexpected.

Well that sucks. I guess it also means we will see Dylan Smith with us next year which could be a good thing given his defensive prowess. Still would have loved to see how DD improved. Thx kid for coming to us when many would not. Cat nation will be watching a rooting for you I know

I hope J. Brown commits somewhere else.

SunnyAZ wrote:I hope J. Brown commits somewhere else.

I don't. We have very little inside in 2020, and the recruiting options aren't numerous.

Spaceman Spiff wrote:

SunnyAZ wrote:I hope J. Brown commits somewhere else.

I don't. We have very little inside in 2020, and the recruiting options aren't numerous.

If this ends up with anything other than landing Brown, then its a huge loss.

StickItInTheyFace wrote:

Spaceman Spiff wrote:

SunnyAZ wrote:I hope J. Brown commits somewhere else.

I don't. We have very little inside in 2020, and the recruiting options aren't numerous.

If this ends up with anything other than landing Brown, then its a huge loss.

This.

I’m bummed irrespective of Brown’s decision.

This sucks, lets hope Baker is better

There goes a fan favorite. I wish him luck.

Last season 10 Cats played in over 10 games. Of those 10 Devonaire Doutrive was:

3rd in PER
10th in minutes played

Didn’t Dickerson spend the entire game against UK chasing Ron Mercer?
I know he wasn’t scoring a lot at that point but it seemed like that slowed him down in that game.

A few thoughts.

I hate this part of the game.

We’ve been critical of Miller for keeping and playing guys who aren’t studs. He’s being aggressive in reshaping the roster right now. I’m going to trust him.

Miller likes Baker more than DD. Again, I’m going to trust him.

The problems with DD are described by Choo as something like off court irreconcilable differences. If he’s not a fit for the team, then he’s got to go.

Baker seems like the most professional and stand-up young man we could hope for, and the locker room should benefit tremendously from his presence. Swapping him for DD also reduces chemistry issues from our logjam at the wing.

YoDeFoe wrote:A few thoughts.

I hate this part of the game.

We’ve been critical of Miller for keeping and playing guys who aren’t studs. He’s being aggressive in reshaping the roster right now. I’m going to trust him.

Miller likes Baker more than DD. Again, I’m going to trust him.

The problems with DD are described by Choo as something like off court irreconcilable differences. If he’s not a fit for the team, then he’s got to go.

Baker seems like the most professional and stand-up young man we could hope for, and the locker room should benefit tremendously from his presence. Swapping him for DD also reduces chemistry issues from our logjam at the wing.

All good stuff and I trust in Miller with these decisions just sucks when you see someone with on court potential leave the program before they realize most of it.

Who gives a shit about student-athletes??

Win or GTFO, eh???

College Basketbawful continues it's steady decline....

pc in NM wrote:Who gives a shit about student-athletes??

Win or GTFO, eh???

College Basketbawful continues it's steady decline....

So, in your mind, there is zero chance that this was a mutual decision? It’s just another example of ruthless adults preying upon innocent children, using them when it suits and then discarding them onto the trash heap of life when it doesn’t? Am I reading you correctly?

Hey, awesome.

Chicat wrote:

pc in NM wrote:Who gives a shit about student-athletes??

Win or GTFO, eh???

College Basketbawful continues it's steady decline....

So, in your mind, there is zero chance that this was a mutual decision? It’s just another example of ruthless adults preying upon innocent children, using them when it suits and then discarding them onto the trash heap of life when it doesn’t? Am I reading you correctly?

Hey, awesome.

Check your own presumptions before you make pejorative attributions about another's....

pc in NM wrote:

Chicat wrote:

pc in NM wrote:Who gives a shit about student-athletes??

Win or GTFO, eh???

College Basketbawful continues it's steady decline....

So, in your mind, there is zero chance that this was a mutual decision? It’s just another example of ruthless adults preying upon innocent children, using them when it suits and then discarding them onto the trash heap of life when it doesn’t? Am I reading you correctly?

Hey, awesome.

Check your own presumptions before you make pejorative attributions about another's....

I checked and all my presumptions are right where I left them. I also checked your rebuttal and noticed you didn’t actually refute what I said.

I don't think rhetorical questions need to be "refuted" - I consider them as statements disguised as questions....

Like Chicat, I'm lost on what you're saying, pc. How is this about exploiting student-athletes? I think they should be allowed to be paid above board, but that's a different issue than Doutrive leaving the program.

R J Hampton to forgo college and play in New Zealand. Fuegs must be sad