Re: 2016-2017 Arizona Basketball
Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2017 8:36 am
Didn't return entire lineup. Had Benjamin and Cook last year. Added Pritchard and Ennis this year. Still, very experienced.
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Way I look at it is we have nobody to match up with Brooks, and UCLA's offense is much better so that negates the Broks issue on their end.Spaceman Spiff wrote:Here's what I find odd.
We match up well against UCLA. UCLA matches us pretty evenly too.
UCLA also matches Oregon pretty evenly and vice versa.
So, you'd expect that the transitory aspect holds and we match Oregon pretty well. Yet it seems like the opposite is the case.
Putting Lauri on Brooks probably wasn't Miller's best idea.YoDeFoe wrote:Oregon's three best players are 6'6" - 6'10".
We've only got one guy in that height range: Keanu Pinder.
We're not made to match up against teams with athletic and long dudes in that height range. They negate the inside of the inside out game we like to play.
UCLA plays on the perimeter - that long and quick post advantage is less meaningful.
It's hard to blame Miller because I'm fairly certain Ray Smith was the guy to give us exactly what we have had issues with.YoDeFoe wrote:Oregon's three best players are 6'6" - 6'10".
We've only got one guy in that height range: Keanu Pinder.
We're not made to match up against teams with athletic and long dudes in that height range. They negate the inside of the inside out game we like to play.
UCLA plays on the perimeter - that long and quick post advantage is less meaningful.
This entire season could be defined by the gradual unfolding of the realization of how best to play Lauri.NYCat wrote:Putting Lauri on Brooks probably wasn't Miller's best idea.YoDeFoe wrote:Oregon's three best players are 6'6" - 6'10".
We've only got one guy in that height range: Keanu Pinder.
We're not made to match up against teams with athletic and long dudes in that height range. They negate the inside of the inside out game we like to play.
UCLA plays on the perimeter - that long and quick post advantage is less meaningful.
Baylor, West Virginia, Louisville and other similar teams are terrible matchups. Don't want to face them and find out.Spaceman Spiff wrote:It's hard to blame Miller because I'm fairly certain Ray Smith was the guy to give us exactly what we have had issues with.YoDeFoe wrote:Oregon's three best players are 6'6" - 6'10".
We've only got one guy in that height range: Keanu Pinder.
We're not made to match up against teams with athletic and long dudes in that height range. They negate the inside of the inside out game we like to play.
UCLA plays on the perimeter - that long and quick post advantage is less meaningful.
Yeah worth mentioning that all three players that we lost for the year were in that height range. Ray Smith (6'8"), Terrance Ferguson (6'7") and Talbott Denny (6'6").Spaceman Spiff wrote:
It's hard to blame Miller because I'm fairly certain Ray Smith was the guy to give us exactly what we have had issues with.
KA talks about how he wants both UCLA & Oregon in the PAC12 tourneyIndianaZonaFan wrote:I hope these guys have the nastiness that they need for the post-season. I hope they WANT to play UCLA and Oregon in the PAC12 Tourney.
I keep telling myself this exact same thing. The problem is, for us to benefit we have to make the game close to begin with...surely the harder part...and then it has to be the number/game when the reversion occurs. Brooks appears to have range from anywhere on the court.Olsondogg wrote:I'll put it this way about Oregon. They've been in a ton of close games...on last second shots. Some against mediocre teams. They faltered at uCla, but besides that they've been on the better end. They barely beat Furd, Cal, ASSU, uCla, Boise St., Tennessee etc.CalStateTempe wrote:Me too cat fan.
I think Oregon is best option to cut nets at the moment and if that happens it will seriously depress me.
Things have a way of evening out over the season...they are due to have the pendulum swing the other way in a tight game.
Gilbertcat wrote:I really want another shot against Oregon when they are not hitting the half court 3s.
We said that in 2015 about Wisconsin haha. Can't happen again!HiCat wrote:Gilbertcat wrote:I really want another shot against Oregon when they are not hitting the half court 3s.
Yeah, this would be a different game. I'm guessing they wouldn't shoot 65-66% again.
We held them under 40% shooting that first time. Wisconsin in 13-14 we lost due to bad offense. 14-15 we lost to their incredible offense. So really, we managed to get the cheese in both ends in the span of a calendar year.scumdevils86 wrote:We said that in 2015 about Wisconsin haha. Can't happen again!HiCat wrote:Gilbertcat wrote:I really want another shot against Oregon when they are not hitting the half court 3s.
Yeah, this would be a different game. I'm guessing they wouldn't shoot 65-66% again.
But yeah, I would like to give Oregon another shot.
Dropped to #30 in both AdjO + AdjD without playing. Will be interesting to see the movement after Colorado.NYCat wrote:Final regular season Kenpom:
Kenpom #21 (21.69) | AdjO: #29 (116.4) | AdjD: 27 (94. 7)
He looks completely checked out.rgdeuce wrote:A nice leap in the right direction. Been a long time since we have had six or seven guys play great in the same game. Lauri 4-7 from three was the story of the night for me. Kobi has almost played himself out of the rotation at this point.
On defense he looks like he doesn't care. On offense he looks like he's auditioning for the (d-)League. That's not a good combo.Frybry02 wrote:He looks completely checked out.rgdeuce wrote:A nice leap in the right direction. Been a long time since we have had six or seven guys play great in the same game. Lauri 4-7 from three was the story of the night for me. Kobi has almost played himself out of the rotation at this point.
Well balanced starting 5. Thought Dus was silky smooth tonight, and Rawle is becoming a favorite.NYCat wrote:Markkanen 20 pts
Trier 19 pts
Alkins 15 pts
Ristic 15 pts
Allen 13 pts
That's when the team is at its best, when 4-5 players have 10+ pts.
Too bad he hasn't been able to adjust to Zo's return and embrace a role off the bench. Patience would serve him well. Think he'll stick around?Chicat wrote:On defense he looks like he doesn't care. On offense he looks like he's auditioning for the (d-)League. That's not a good combo.Frybry02 wrote:He looks completely checked out.rgdeuce wrote:A nice leap in the right direction. Been a long time since we have had six or seven guys play great in the same game. Lauri 4-7 from three was the story of the night for me. Kobi has almost played himself out of the rotation at this point.
After ColoradoNYCat wrote:Dropped to #30 in both AdjO + AdjD without playing. Will be interesting to see the movement after Colorado.NYCat wrote:Final regular season Kenpom:
Kenpom #21 (21.69) | AdjO: #29 (116.4) | AdjD: 27 (94. 7)
I think we were lucky we were able to get as much out of him as we did this year. He played very well for the first two thirds of the season and was the best player on the court during the win in Westwood. After that, he was never the same. Did he run out of gas or check out mentally? It is hard to say.rgdeuce wrote:My gut tells me he is transferring
Agree. That or overseas. How many transfers/random early departures have we had? Justin Simon, Sidiki Johnson, Momo Jones, Grant Jerrett, Craig Victor...And all of them were in a 5 year period. There will always be 1 guy that bails on the program during or after his freshman year under Miller that isn't a 1 and done lottery guy.rgdeuce wrote:My gut tells me he is transferring
Don't forget Josiah Turner .ASUHATER! wrote:Agree. That or overseas. How many transfers/random early departures have we had? Justin Simon, Sidiki Johnson, Momo Jones, Grant Jerrett, Craig Victor...And all of them were in a 5 year period. There will always be 1 guy that bails on the program during or after his freshman year under Miller that isn't a 1 and done lottery guy.rgdeuce wrote:My gut tells me he is transferring
No! Please, let's forget about the biggest disappointment at PG EVER at Arizona.....He helped kill our 'Point Guard U' rep IMO.az91 wrote:Don't forget Josiah Turner .ASUHATER! wrote:Agree. That or overseas. How many transfers/random early departures have we had? Justin Simon, Sidiki Johnson, Momo Jones, Grant Jerrett, Craig Victor...And all of them were in a 5 year period. There will always be 1 guy that bails on the program during or after his freshman year under Miller that isn't a 1 and done lottery guy.rgdeuce wrote:My gut tells me he is transferring
Judkins, Momo (after 2 years), Bejerano, Chol (after 2 years), Sidiki Johnson, Josiah, Victor, Simon = Eight.ASUHATER! wrote:Agree. That or overseas. How many transfers/random early departures have we had? Justin Simon, Sidiki Johnson, Momo Jones, Grant Jerrett, Craig Victor...And all of them were in a 5 year period. There will always be 1 guy that bails on the program during or after his freshman year under Miller that isn't a 1 and done lottery guy.rgdeuce wrote:My gut tells me he is transferring
I will say, of that group, the only one I feel wound up hurting was losing Momo for Josiah.rgdeuce wrote:Judkins, Momo (after 2 years), Bejerano, Chol (after 2 years), Sidiki Johnson, Josiah, Victor, Simon = Eight.ASUHATER! wrote:Agree. That or overseas. How many transfers/random early departures have we had? Justin Simon, Sidiki Johnson, Momo Jones, Grant Jerrett, Craig Victor...And all of them were in a 5 year period. There will always be 1 guy that bails on the program during or after his freshman year under Miller that isn't a 1 and done lottery guy.rgdeuce wrote:My gut tells me he is transferring
Don't know if we can throw Jerrett in that mix, but it was probably a situation where he transfers if he didnt have the info he did about declaring. Zach Peters is a "sort of situation" too, not sure if you include him as well.
I also think losing Jerrett (though not actually in the list) hurt a lot once Bash went down. I think we win the title in 2014 even with the Bash injury if Jerrett returns and gives us that stretch 4 to open the middle for AG.Spaceman Spiff wrote:I will say, of that group, the only one I feel wound up hurting was losing Momo for Josiah.rgdeuce wrote:Judkins, Momo (after 2 years), Bejerano, Chol (after 2 years), Sidiki Johnson, Josiah, Victor, Simon = Eight.ASUHATER! wrote:Agree. That or overseas. How many transfers/random early departures have we had? Justin Simon, Sidiki Johnson, Momo Jones, Grant Jerrett, Craig Victor...And all of them were in a 5 year period. There will always be 1 guy that bails on the program during or after his freshman year under Miller that isn't a 1 and done lottery guy.rgdeuce wrote:My gut tells me he is transferring
Don't know if we can throw Jerrett in that mix, but it was probably a situation where he transfers if he didnt have the info he did about declaring. Zach Peters is a "sort of situation" too, not sure if you include him as well.
We would up with better than Judkins, Bejarano, Chol and Sidiki. Simon is too early to tell, and Victor getting kicked off LSU's team says something.
Bejarano was a very early Miller recruit. At that point, he wasn't established, and we would probably have taken anyone in the top 70 who would come. The roster was severely depleted at the beginning. Judkins is a great example of that. He wasn't a Miller recruit, but he was getting more time here than he got at the directional school he wound up at.EVCat wrote:Bejerano was also, IMO, a necessity to recruit only because it established Arizona under Miller still could take anyone in state that we wanted. I really didn't think he was going to do much here, but I didn't expect what happened either...I thought he was a 4 year bench microwave scorer type guy. We don't even look at Bejerano if we had known what we already had.
Judkins was another stretch...one of those "late bloomer" hopes and reaches.
Chol? He was Chol. If he could have realized what he was, he could have had a nice career at Arizona as a crowd favorite banger ala Gene. Instead, he thought he was NBA bound. And he did at SDSU pretty much what he did here.
Simon? Well, in retrospect, that was the biggest mistake of all. Dorsey is making us feel that daily.
Victor/Sidiki/Josiah...those have nothing to do with our recruiting or treatment of players. They were clearly destined to be problems wherever they went, as Arizona wasn't their final failure.
Momo...hurt bad. He was our heart and soul. 2012 CU in Staples never would have happened with Momo on watch. Yeah, he could be infuriating at times, and he was never going to be a classic 1, but he had that "it" factor that made him run toward the pressure when others backed away.
Nice breakdown of our early departures. Momo was definitely the one that hurt the most, but he had to do what was best for him. I wonder where Victor will end up? Could he come back to Tucson?rgdeuce wrote:Lets look at the eight:
Simon = TBD @ St Johns. To be honest, I was never really that high on him. He would have been an excellent ball stopper on defense, but I dont think he would have been a guy that started here until his senior year, with our knack for bringing in dominant wings, unless there was a situation where we had a mass exodus and had one of our weaker classes coming in. Zero chance at being our starting 1, IMO
Victor = Decent at LSU, but out of basketball (?) 8 games into his junior season. Likely bench depth here til his senior season.
Chol= Couldn't even sniff 14 mpg at a SDSU program that was a shell of its former self. Hot garbage and never would have been more than bench depth here.
Turner= We know how this trainwreck ended.
Sidiki Johnson= Played 11 games in one year at Providence and out of college basketball. 15 mpg, 3.9 ppg, 5 boards.
Judkins = 1 year at Texas A&M Corpus Christi, 22 mpg and nothing impressive in those minutes, out of NCAA ball after his junior year.
Momo Jones = Had a nice final two seasons at Iona. 15.7 and 22.6 ppg and won MAAC POY. I'll admit, this one hurts my soul, I LOVED Momo.
Bejerano = Averaged 16.3 and 11.4 as JR and SR, respectively, at Colorado State. I wouldn't be too upset though, his advanced numbers show he didn't improve his awful defense that much, and he shot 36% and 35% his JR and SR seasons and only shot above 35% from 3 once (35.9%), so scratch "Arizona 3 pt specialist off the bench" off the list.
The common theme. We didn't lose much, outside of Momo (which makes you hate Turner even more). Of the six remaining guys (Simon TBD), four ended their NCAA careers early, leaving Chol (bum) and Bejerano, who would have at best been a role playing, three point specialist who couldnt defend and was a horribly inefficient shooter. So basically, everyone sans Momo wasnt shit to begin with, which was why they didnt get the minutes they wanted and bailed. They didnt want to work hard and respect the process, and it showed after they left Arizona.
I don't really feel bad for Kobi.RiseAndFire wrote:Kobi was the man the only time we beat UCLA, it appears he'll be riding the bench tonight
I feel bad for him - his NBA aspirations are taking a hit.