Re: lets talk '16
Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2015 2:14 am
Catgrad seems to be down on a lot of stuff these days. You okay, buddy?
Lol, that would fall under, "Am I missing something here." I figured there was something I wasn't seeing, so thanks for explaining. I understand things change and stock can drastically rise, but the Davis and Fultz stories aren't the normChooChooCat wrote:He hasn't been properly evaluated. Anthony Davis was a 3 star entering his senior year of HS play until he popped onto the AAU scene and dominated every one. This kid was very very good the entire EYBL (averaged 18ppg). He won't be a 3 star/192nd ranked player after updates to rankings and he's not any more of a project than our current 5* guard Justin Simon.rgdeuce wrote:3 star, 192nd ranked player in his class? Am I missing something?
Rankings fluctuate guys. 3 star players don't play like he did and they certainly don't garner a bunch of offers mid-summer for no reason either. Markelle Fultz played Junior Varsity a year before he became a 5 star player. Players develop and get better at different rates than other guys.
It's way more common than you give it credit for. Entering AAU ball prior to their upcoming senior seasons Justin Simon certainly wasn't rated what he is and neither was Allonzo Trier.rgdeuce wrote:Lol, that would fall under, "Am I missing something here." I figured there was something I wasn't seeing, so thanks for explaining. I understand things change and stock can drastically rise, but the Davis and Fultz stories aren't the normChooChooCat wrote:He hasn't been properly evaluated. Anthony Davis was a 3 star entering his senior year of HS play until he popped onto the AAU scene and dominated every one. This kid was very very good the entire EYBL (averaged 18ppg). He won't be a 3 star/192nd ranked player after updates to rankings and he's not any more of a project than our current 5* guard Justin Simon.rgdeuce wrote:3 star, 192nd ranked player in his class? Am I missing something?
Rankings fluctuate guys. 3 star players don't play like he did and they certainly don't garner a bunch of offers mid-summer for no reason either. Markelle Fultz played Junior Varsity a year before he became a 5 star player. Players develop and get better at different rates than other guys.
Davis grew 10 inches in HS. If Andrew grows to 7'2, jackpot!rgdeuce wrote:Lol, that would fall under, "Am I missing something here." I figured there was something I wasn't seeing, so thanks for explaining. I understand things change and stock can drastically rise, but the Davis and Fultz stories aren't the normChooChooCat wrote:He hasn't been properly evaluated. Anthony Davis was a 3 star entering his senior year of HS play until he popped onto the AAU scene and dominated every one. This kid was very very good the entire EYBL (averaged 18ppg). He won't be a 3 star/192nd ranked player after updates to rankings and he's not any more of a project than our current 5* guard Justin Simon.rgdeuce wrote:3 star, 192nd ranked player in his class? Am I missing something?
Rankings fluctuate guys. 3 star players don't play like he did and they certainly don't garner a bunch of offers mid-summer for no reason either. Markelle Fultz played Junior Varsity a year before he became a 5 star player. Players develop and get better at different rates than other guys.
I can imagine this guy with dollar signs in place of eyeballs.“I don’t really like too much badgering,” Smith told the Courier-Journal. “I don’t need to be recruited like that. When it comes closer to the time, then we need to start. I don’t need you to call me every day and tell me how much you love me and this and that. Once he starts getting closer to what he wants to do, everybody will jump in the race and then it’ll get really serious.
Apparently he had a pretty bad injury that set him back. He's fully recovered now. 7'2 Andrew Jones here we come! So many "developmental prospects" that played very well their freshman years wouldn't you say? Either way not a 3 star prospect. 3 star prospects don't get the offers and notoriety that he's getting now.Spaceman Spiff wrote:Davis grew 10 inches in HS. If Andrew grows to 7'2, jackpot!rgdeuce wrote:Lol, that would fall under, "Am I missing something here." I figured there was something I wasn't seeing, so thanks for explaining. I understand things change and stock can drastically rise, but the Davis and Fultz stories aren't the normChooChooCat wrote:He hasn't been properly evaluated. Anthony Davis was a 3 star entering his senior year of HS play until he popped onto the AAU scene and dominated every one. This kid was very very good the entire EYBL (averaged 18ppg). He won't be a 3 star/192nd ranked player after updates to rankings and he's not any more of a project than our current 5* guard Justin Simon.rgdeuce wrote:3 star, 192nd ranked player in his class? Am I missing something?
Rankings fluctuate guys. 3 star players don't play like he did and they certainly don't garner a bunch of offers mid-summer for no reason either. Markelle Fultz played Junior Varsity a year before he became a 5 star player. Players develop and get better at different rates than other guys.
There are talented under the radar guys. When I say he's a developmental prospect, I mean it in a decent way. He looks athletic and aggressive. You want those raw materials in a developmental guy.
A Matt Korcheck replacement.EOCT wrote:What's up with the Lightfoot chase? http://tucson.com/sports/blogs/pascoe/a ... ce8dd.html
Very interesting. The short vids say tough. Like his follows-on-misses----taps, two handed put-ins. Not intimidated by defenders, but this is AAU ball.UAEebs86 wrote:http://www.scout.com/player/7624104n-schnider-herard
As always, thanks for your generosity, Hi!HiCat wrote:Seems to like Sean Miller's coaching style.
Terrance Ferguson
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/baske ... e-ferguson
Arizona basketball: 'Good guy' Miller impresses recruit
http://tucson.com/sports/college/wildca ... a%20sports
I think the Finnish kid is a better fit than Davis honestly.dcZONAfan wrote:Jackson
Leaf
Fultz
Davis
Please, God... Please
Yeah, give me Markkanen over any of the center prospects and really I am not sure if I would take any others or just move on to trying to close McCoy in 17. Rather take an extra wing like Jones.ChooChooCat wrote:I think the Finnish kid is a better fit than Davis honestly.dcZONAfan wrote:Jackson
Leaf
Fultz
Davis
Please, God... Please
Ahh, I must have missed the articles and chatter on this kid, hadn't heard of him until right now. Watched Davis the other day and he is a beast but clearly has a long way to go to contribute. Maybe the Finn fits us better, I don't know. Either way, that fourth guy is a bonus no matter what if we can get Fultz and JJ.ChooChooCat wrote:I think the Finnish kid is a better fit than Davis honestly.dcZONAfan wrote:Jackson
Leaf
Fultz
Davis
Please, God... Please
nice, he's visiting for Red-Blue. Great time to host a recruit, hopefully he can't get enough of the crowd and CSM can get him to commit on the spot. Love that we get the last chance to make an impressiondmjcat wrote:Arizona to get visit from Finnish big man:
http://www.scout.com/college/basketball ... isit-dates
Maybe if we hired an assistant with influence with the west coast AAU programs like UCLA did hiring David Grace (Compton magic). Guess what AAU team TJ Leaf is solely devoted to? Would not be surprised to see him in Westwood.The Goat wrote:Recruiting news has been a mess for 16/17/18. Getting our ass kicked out on the recruiting trail right now ever since the end of the Rabb recruitment.
Explain please. I haven't been keeping up on recruiting so I don't know why this is happening.Main Event wrote:This one's on Sean
Main Event wrote:This one's on Sean
I'm seeing a world where we go back in time and UCLA lands all the elite California prospects that it wants and Arizona takes the 4 stars that can be developed into great players a la the Lute Olson vs. Ben Howland/Steve Lavin years.catgrad97 wrote:I just don't get what changed Leaf's mind besides some AAU bullsh*t Miller has no control over.
I am seeing a future, though, of Arizona filling up with solid character prospects nobody can really complain about on paper and can kick some World Games/Olympic butt, but losing out on the five-stars that end up shutting this program out of a Final Four.
College basketball has changed, and not necessarily by the rules. I'll stick by Miller and just shake my head at the insecure recruits who should know better.
I wouldn't go that far. We landed Gordon and SJ back to back years and lost out on Rabb last year. JJ will not be playing at UCLA. Leaf is darn good player but not the caliber as the 4 I just mentioned. To answer your other question about fringe Arizona guys going to UCLA they were all back up plans. I am not arguing that it sucks that we lost TJ because it does but its not saying that UCLA will run the west again. UCLA will be the UCLA Magic. Tell me how a whole AAU team will do in D-1 im guessing not very well.ChooChooCat wrote:I'm seeing a world where we go back in time and UCLA lands all the elite California prospects that it wants and Arizona takes the 4 stars that can be developed into great players a la the Lute Olson vs. Ben Howland/Steve Lavin years.catgrad97 wrote:I just don't get what changed Leaf's mind besides some AAU bullsh*t Miller has no control over.
I am seeing a future, though, of Arizona filling up with solid character prospects nobody can really complain about on paper and can kick some World Games/Olympic butt, but losing out on the five-stars that end up shutting this program out of a Final Four.
College basketball has changed, and not necessarily by the rules. I'll stick by Miller and just shake my head at the insecure recruits who should know better.
In what world was Ike Anigbogu and Jalen Hill back up plans for Arizona? You act as if we really wanted other guys more. Who are these other guys? We just started recruiting the Finnish kid and De'Ron Davis hard and that was after Anigbogu popped for UCLA. Hill and McCoy were always the 1A and 1B post targets for 2017 so once again there was nobody else. You're sugarcoating a mountain of turds right now for whatever reason.3goggles wrote:I wouldn't go that far. We landed Gordon and SJ back to back years and lost out on Rabb last year. JJ will not be playing at UCLA. Leaf is darn good player but not the caliber as the 4 I just mentioned. To answer your other question about fringe Arizona guys going to UCLA they were all back up plans. I am not arguing that it sucks that we lost TJ because it does but its not saying that UCLA will run the west again. UCLA will be the UCLA Magic. Tell me how a whole AAU team will do in D-1 im guessing not very well.ChooChooCat wrote:I'm seeing a world where we go back in time and UCLA lands all the elite California prospects that it wants and Arizona takes the 4 stars that can be developed into great players a la the Lute Olson vs. Ben Howland/Steve Lavin years.catgrad97 wrote:I just don't get what changed Leaf's mind besides some AAU bullsh*t Miller has no control over.
I am seeing a future, though, of Arizona filling up with solid character prospects nobody can really complain about on paper and can kick some World Games/Olympic butt, but losing out on the five-stars that end up shutting this program out of a Final Four.
College basketball has changed, and not necessarily by the rules. I'll stick by Miller and just shake my head at the insecure recruits who should know better.
Less than half of the Top 100 recruits have signed. Plenty of timeBeachcat97 wrote:Hard not to be bothered by this, especially with no other '16 commits.
None of the 2016 commits have signed. All verbals at this point.Jefe wrote:Less than half of the Top 100 recruits have signed. Plenty of timeBeachcat97 wrote:Hard not to be bothered by this, especially with no other '16 commits.