Bear Down Wildcats

UAEebs86 wrote:

Beachcat97 wrote:http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basket ... ligibility

Early favorite for 2018 Pac POY?

This should be in the Rivals forum

You're right, my bad. It impacts AZ's 2017-18 season, which is why I put it here.

Beachcat97 wrote:

UAEebs86 wrote:

Beachcat97 wrote:http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basket ... ligibility

Early favorite for 2018 Pac POY?

This should be in the Rivals forum

You're right, my bad. It impacts AZ's 2017-18 season, which is why I put it here.

Are you going to post everything about every PAC-12 team and non-conference opponent in here as well?

Maybe we should just combine every thread in basketball since it affects next season. Except for the 2018 recruiting thread I guess.

UAEebs86 wrote:Are you going to post everything about every PAC-12 team and non-conference opponent in here as well?

No, that's silly. Feel free to move the original R Travis post to an appropriate thread in the rivals forum.

Well roster look it's set.

Freshman:
DeAndre Ayton
Brandon Randolph
Ira Lee
Alex Barcello
Emmanuel Akot

Sophomores:
Rawle Alkins
Dylan Smith (RS)

Juniors:
Allonzo Trier

Seniors:
Parker Jackson-Cartwright
Dusan Ristic
Keanu Pinder
Talbot Denny (?)

Redshirt:
Chase Jeter

Probable lineup & rotation:
G: PJC // __, Barcello
G: Trier // Smith
G: Alkins // Randolph
F: Ayton // Pinder, Lee
C: Ristic //

Preseason #1 worthy?

Wasn't Denny a senior last year?

Let's just now pray for a boring offseason lol

ASUHATER! wrote:Wasn't Denny a senior last year?

Hell he was more than that, he was already in grad school. He'll be granted a 6th year of eligibility because he missed the year due to the ACL tear.

Main Event wrote:Let's just now pray for a boring offseason lol

WORD MainEvent!!! After all the snakebites last year, I feel like a long-tailed cat in a room full of rocking chairs every time I open this board these days.....just praying for continued good news. BTFD.

So rawle is coming back!?!

This is awesome.

Main Event wrote:

Wait, what?

Hopefully he stays a couple of years because he looked raw as hell.

Frees up Trier to handle the ball a little more initiating.

We have a defensive stopper now though, Randolph is also pretty good defensively​.

Spaceman Spiff wrote:

Main Event wrote:

Wait, what?

Sean's not messin around

NYCat wrote:Hopefully he stays a couple of years because he looked raw as hell.

Hell him coming in next year ensures he's at least a two years guy.

Outside of PG our likely biggest hole was a plus wing defender. Well now that hole has been filled. Akot reclassifying also helps greatly with 2018 wing recruiting.

Wait...Akot is joining the team next season?! I'm probably the 5th person to ask this question, but this seems too good to be true.

Beachcat97 wrote:Wait...Akot is joining the team next season?! I'm probably the 5th person to ask this question, but this seems too good to be true.

Seems he reclassified into the 2017 year!

Spaceman Spiff wrote:

Beachcat97 wrote:

Spaceman Spiff wrote:At Duke, there was a 0% chance he could beat out Jefferson, Giles or Bolden.

Got it. So maybe Jeter was slightly overrated coming out of HS? He was a 5-star C/PF, with offers from Kansas, AZ, and Oregon. It seems most guys who rate that highly don't go on to become back-ups.

He was a 5 star because of his physical attributes. He has an NBA body and is explosive for his size.

He just doesn't have great skill and seemed to process the game slowly at Duke. 5 star physically, 2 or 3 star skill and IQ.

Dennis Latimore.

Sean Miller is not fucking around. He is getting to that Final Four this year.

Break it down for the slower folks here (me)...what did akot do and how does this help us?

Or if someone posted the answer previously, let me know and I'll find the thread/page.

I want to join in on the hype but in this situation I know what I don't know, so to speak. Lol

yep

CalStateTempe wrote:Break it down for the slower folks here (me)...what did akot do and how does this help us?

Or if someone posted the answer previously, let me know and I'll find the thread/page.

I want to join in on the hype but in this situation I know what I don't know, so to speak. Lol

Akot reclassified from a 2018 recruit to a 2017 recruit, so he will be on next year's team as opposed to the following year.

Another words we just added another 5 star recruit to our 2017 class.

This is insane. Preseason #1 is feeling a little more realistic.

ChooChooCat wrote:

CalStateTempe wrote:Break it down for the slower folks here (me)...what did akot do and how does this help us?

Or if someone posted the answer previously, let me know and I'll find the thread/page.

I want to join in on the hype but in this situation I know what I don't know, so to speak. Lol

Akot reclassified from a 2018 recruit to a 2017 recruit, so he will be on next year's team as opposed to the following year.

Another words we just added another 5 star recruit to our 2017 class.

I think that sound was Dylan Smith's minutes disappearing.

ChooChooCat wrote:Sean Miller is not fucking around. He is getting to that Final Four this year.

Hope so, because we're looking at quite an exodus if Akot is really good and departs: Ristic, Ayton, Trier, Alkins, PJC, Akot. Top 6 (possibly) gone.

One way to look at it: We're getting Ray Smith after all. A tall wing.

Spaceman Spiff wrote:

ChooChooCat wrote:

CalStateTempe wrote:Break it down for the slower folks here (me)...what did akot do and how does this help us?

Or if someone posted the answer previously, let me know and I'll find the thread/page.

I want to join in on the hype but in this situation I know what I don't know, so to speak. Lol

Akot reclassified from a 2018 recruit to a 2017 recruit, so he will be on next year's team as opposed to the following year.

Another words we just added another 5 star recruit to our 2017 class.

I think that sound was Dylan Smith's minutes disappearing.

Maybe he gets the backup PG minutes, he really isn't a PG but kadeem wasn't either.

Holy cow, that's crazy.

So is he leaving school early? How does one reclassify a year early and still meet all the curricular requirements that the NCAA supposedly care about?

Miller going for broke. Romer effect?

Thanks choo. Much appreciated.

gumby wrote:

ChooChooCat wrote:Sean Miller is not fucking around. He is getting to that Final Four this year.

Hope so, because we're looking at quite an exodus if Akot is really good and departs: Ristic, Ayton, Trier, Alkins, PJC, Akot. Top 6 (possibly) gone.

One way to look at it: We're getting Ray Smith after all. A tall wing.

I can't see a world where Akot is a one and done with Zo and Rawle ahead of him, especially considering how raw he is. This is a guy with future lottery pick written all over him with his talent/measurements. He'll be here for more than one year. He's coming because Miller asked him to for one and for two to get a head start on development/being in the system for when he's a starter two years from now.

Ristic, Ayton, Zo, Rawle, PJC, Pinder, Denny are all gone after next season for sure. So yes we're having an exodus of the good kind.

CalStateTempe wrote:Holy cow, that's crazy.

So is he leaving school early? How does one reclassify a year early and still meet all the curricular requirements that the NCAA supposedly care about?

Miller going for broke. Romer effect?

Like most Canadians (Dillon Brooks included), he had already met all the requirements to enroll in college and meet all NCAA blah blah blah. He could've stayed in HS to develop a bit more if he wanted to, but Miller wanted him now and he'll further work on his development with live college time.

Romar got nothing to do with this lol.

NYCat wrote:

Spaceman Spiff wrote:

ChooChooCat wrote:

CalStateTempe wrote:Break it down for the slower folks here (me)...what did akot do and how does this help us?

Or if someone posted the answer previously, let me know and I'll find the thread/page.

I want to join in on the hype but in this situation I know what I don't know, so to speak. Lol

Akot reclassified from a 2018 recruit to a 2017 recruit, so he will be on next year's team as opposed to the following year.

Another words we just added another 5 star recruit to our 2017 class.

I think that sound was Dylan Smith's minutes disappearing.

Maybe he gets the backup PG minutes, he really isn't a PG but kadeem wasn't either.

If Barcello isn't ready for back up minutes then Zo will likely handle the vast majority of back up PG minutes next year. Akot is a bit of a point forward so he'd help in the instances where Zo is at the 1.

So is 2018 looking to be a down year or do we have horses in the stable so to speak to mitgste the losses.

Note to self, reread and catch up on 2018 thread...

CalStateTempe wrote:Break it down for the slower folks here (me)...what did akot do and how does this help us?

Or if someone posted the answer previously, let me know and I'll find the thread/page.

I want to join in on the hype but in this situation I know what I don't know, so to speak. Lol

He committed to Arizona in 18-19. He's now graduating High School early and coming in as a young freshman - eligible to play this fall. Scholarships all used up. And again - back up PG seems to be the only concern as of now. Barcello comes in like fire & they stay healthy - this team is as 'talent' good as any in the country. And better than just about all of them too.

Sweet. That's a no brainer a year of high school ball vs a year of backup duty at Arizona.

Wtg Miller!

ChooChooCat wrote:

CalStateTempe wrote:Holy cow, that's crazy.

So is he leaving school early? How does one reclassify a year early and still meet all the curricular requirements that the NCAA supposedly care about?

Miller going for broke. Romer effect?

Like most Canadians (Dillon Brooks included), he had already met all the requirements to enroll in college and meet all NCAA blah blah blah. He could've stayed in HS to develop a bit more if he wanted to, but Miller wanted him now and he'll further work on his development with live college time.

Romar got nothing to do with this lol.

I think it is a good move from Akot's perspective. If he waits to 2018, he still has a year in college to go. Why not spend 2017 getting exposure to higher level competition and see what happens?

CalStateTempe wrote:So is 2018 looking to be a down year or do we have horses in the stable so to speak to mitgste the losses.

Note to self, reread and catch up on 2018 thread...

At the moment this is what our 2018-2019 roster will look like pending transfers:

PG - Alex Barcello
SG - Brandon Randolph, Dylan Smith
SF - Emmanuel Akot
PF - Ira Lee, Shareef O'Neal
C - Chase Jeter

Obviously there are numerous more recruits to be added to this namely a point guard, another wing, and a back up center. At the moment we wouldn't even have enough guys to practice 5 on 5. To answer your question though we'd have horses, but we're a good ways away from fielding a team still.

Inconceivable

Random question I know with the Alkins/Akot news, but is Talbott Denny on the team next year?

ChooChooCat wrote:

gumby wrote:

ChooChooCat wrote:Sean Miller is not fucking around. He is getting to that Final Four this year.

Hope so, because we're looking at quite an exodus if Akot is really good and departs: Ristic, Ayton, Trier, Alkins, PJC, Akot. Top 6 (possibly) gone.

One way to look at it: We're getting Ray Smith after all. A tall wing.

I can't see a world where Akot is a one and done with Zo and Rawle ahead of him, especially considering how raw he is. This is a guy with future lottery pick written all over him with his talent/measurements. He'll be here for more than one year. He's coming because Miller asked him to for one and for two to get a head start on development/being in the system for when he's a starter two years from now.

Ristic, Ayton, Zo, Rawle, PJC, Pinder, Denny are all gone after next season for sure. So yes we're having an exodus of the good kind.

That sounds reasonable, which is why I wonder. So many weird decisions in hoops now. Not sure starter minutes is the metric it used to be.

azcat34 wrote:Random question I know with the Alkins/Akot news, but is Talbott Denny on the team next year?

He's fully expected to be granted his 6th year of eligibility (if he hasn't already). So yes expect him to be on the team next year.

Bear Down Vegas wrote:

CalStateTempe wrote:Break it down for the slower folks here (me)...what did akot do and how does this help us?

Or if someone posted the answer previously, let me know and I'll find the thread/page.

I want to join in on the hype but in this situation I know what I don't know, so to speak. Lol

He committed to Arizona in 18-19. He's now graduating High School early and coming in as a young freshman - eligible to play this fall. Scholarships all used up. And again - back up PG seems to be the only concern as of now. Barcello comes in like fire & they stay healthy - this team is as 'talent' good as any in the country. And better than just about all of them too.

I would list our questions like this:

1. Is PJC good enough to fulfill the rest of the roster?
2. Post depth/is Lee ready to go?

The rest is just good and better. Akot has some real defensive potential, but you never really know what you'll get this early in his career. He and Randolph have sky high potential, though.

ChooChooCat wrote:

azcat34 wrote:Random question I know with the Alkins/Akot news, but is Talbott Denny on the team next year?

He's fully expected to be granted his 6th year of eligibility (if he hasn't already). So yes expect him to be on the team next year.

Oh ok, I didn't know if Akot was taking the last scholarship. I guess they are at 12 with him.

ChooChooCat wrote:

CalStateTempe wrote:So is 2018 looking to be a down year or do we have horses in the stable so to speak to mitgste the losses.

Note to self, reread and catch up on 2018 thread...

At the moment this is what our 2018-2019 roster will look like pending transfers:

PG - Alex Barcello
SG - Brandon Randolph, Dylan Smith
SF - Emmanuel Akot
PF - Ira Lee, Shareef O'Neal
C - Chase Jeter

Obviously there are numerous more recruits to be added to this namely a point guard, another wing, and a back up center. At the moment we wouldn't even have enough guys to practice 5 on 5. To answer your question though we'd have horses, but we're a good ways away from fielding a team still.

I think Brandon Williams will be the starting PG on that squad. I'd have to imagine Cherry will be on that roster as well. I'm sure there is some Grad Transfer somewhere that is going to pop up too.

ChooChooCat wrote:Sean Miller is not fucking around. He is getting to that Final Four this year.

This. Dude is all in for sure.

He had a contingency for everything that happened this offseason.

UofAlum05 wrote:

ChooChooCat wrote:

CalStateTempe wrote:So is 2018 looking to be a down year or do we have horses in the stable so to speak to mitgste the losses.

Note to self, reread and catch up on 2018 thread...

At the moment this is what our 2018-2019 roster will look like pending transfers:

PG - Alex Barcello
SG - Brandon Randolph, Dylan Smith
SF - Emmanuel Akot
PF - Ira Lee, Shareef O'Neal
C - Chase Jeter

Obviously there are numerous more recruits to be added to this namely a point guard, another wing, and a back up center. At the moment we wouldn't even have enough guys to practice 5 on 5. To answer your question though we'd have horses, but we're a good ways away from fielding a team still.

I think Brandon Williams will be the starting PG on that squad. I'd have to imagine Cherry will be on that roster as well. I'm sure there is some Grad Transfer somewhere that is going to pop up too.

I really want Bol as well.

Add Williams , Cherry, and Bol or Bagley (I know likely TFerg route)

Then fill out roster w 2 transfers and u have 12 ships filled and a team ready to compete for back2back titles.

This is our team next year :

PJC
AT
RA
DA
DR

Bench :

Randolph (first sub, either for PJC w AT moving over or for one of the wings)
Lee (likely for DR at first whistle w DA sliding over)
Akot (will sub at the 3 and 4 a lot when we have an offensive group out there since he still needs work on that end)
Pinder (will be needed in rotation to give the bigs a breather. A lot like last year and maybe even more so w Chance gone. Hopefully he can develop a little game on O from 12 feet)
Smith (will get 5 min per game and will play a lavender role. Basically use him to space floor and if he's hot from 3 , ride it out, if not , not ur game. Luxury bench guy)
Barcello (remains to be seen if he can give us anything as a backup pg, if not, develop in practice , possible RS candidate if it's evident he's not ready in preseason and Trier can handle backup pg duties.
Denny : strictly garbage minutes or emergency foul or injury trouble (better not be)

Jeter : redshirt.


That is a loaded squad w depth. Just hope The Pg situation works itself out. The PJC theory will get tested this year as he has plenty of talent around him to succeed. His fragile body needs to stay healthy because it seems every year an injury sets him back a month or two. I actually have faith he can be good enough to fulfill this teams potential as a senior. And I think Trier will work enough on his ball handling and passing that he can get 10-15 burn at the 1 if necessary. I don't think Barcello will be ready but do think he will be big as an upperclassman.

Scholly breakdown? We get 12 or 13? Jeter doesnt count but gets tuition covered?

CBS has us #1 now