Bear Down Wildcats

BibbysTowelDude wrote:The sanctions are going to be weak, the NCAA has been neutered.

You Fire No One
You Suspend No One
You Win Basketball Games Epically

You let the NCAA do their limp wristed bullshit. Vacate/Weak Sanctions...
You let the opposing fans and the media do what they always do. Vomit stupid bullshit all over the place.

It's 2017 folks, High School Recruits aren't going to give a shit about any of this in 2 weeks.

Everyone acts likes this is gonna change much. The deck chairs will rearranged and the homies will still be handing out bags of cash. 5 Star Johnny is still gonna hold a dollar.

BibbysTowelDude wrote:The sanctions are going to be weak, the NCAA has been neutered.

You Fire No One
You Suspend No One
You Win Basketball Games Epically

You let the NCAA do their limp wristed bullshit. Vacate/Weak Sanctions...
You let the opposing fans and the media do what they always do. Vomit stupid bullshit all over the place.

It's 2017 folks, High School Recruits aren't going to give a shit about any of this in 2 weeks.

Everyone acts likes this is gonna change much. The deck chairs will rearranged and the homies will still be handing out bags of cash. 5 Star Johnny is still gonna hold a dollar.

rgdeuce wrote:Put it this way, a premature firing of Miller, or even a firing without due process and significant information of some major wrong doing, THAT A LARGE GROUP OF OTHERS is not doing as well... That's the type of shit that makes some fans lose interest in your product...

rgdeuce wrote:There aren't many people I ride or die for, but Sean Miller is one of them. I'm sticking through whatever mud, worry and pain for Miller, but until proven otherwise, Im still 100% certain there is no coach I'd rather have here at Arizona.

zonagrad wrote:We have a relatively new University President and athletics director. Because they're still new to Arizona, I wonder if they can appreciate the loyalty of Arizona fans to the basketball program and to Sean Miller. I hope they don't view this as just a large cog in the overall university system and athletic department. Do they understand that the program built by Lute Olson IS the University of Arizona? Do they fully comprehend that without the basketball program, the U of A wouldn't have the brand recognition it enjoys? Do they understand that fans have loyally packed McKale Center for 30 years? Can they grasp that Arizona fans pack Las Vegas in March for the conference tourney? Because if they don't, they're liable to treat this as simply a business decision and make the move that many in the media and non-UA fans think they should make and fire Miller prematurely.

CatFanOneMil wrote:

zonagrad wrote:We have a relatively new University President and athletics director. Because they're still new to Arizona, I wonder if they can appreciate the loyalty of Arizona fans to the basketball program and to Sean Miller. I hope they don't view this as just a large cog in the overall university system and athletic department. Do they understand that the program built by Lute Olson IS the University of Arizona? Do they fully comprehend that without the basketball program, the U of A wouldn't have the brand recognition it enjoys? Do they understand that fans have loyally packed McKale Center for 30 years? Can they grasp that Arizona fans pack Las Vegas in March for the conference tourney? Because if they don't, they're liable to treat this as simply a business decision and make the move that many in the media and non-UA fans think they should make and fire Miller prematurely.

While I appreciate the fanatical perspective a dose of reality for a UA grad might be in order...

You could shut down the BB program tomorrow and the UofA would still be a world class university, hell just last week they successfully did some shit to a robot thingy out in space that is slingsnoting it around earth towards a rock or sumthin...(this was not the actual wording of the press release but pretty damn close)...

There are tons of advances attributed to this University every year that get swallowed up in the wake of "The best coach to never reach a FF" and lost to our attention...

World class health care in this town due in part to the University of Arizona

Other world class astronomy and archeology shit all the time...

I had major cutting edge dental holistic surgery this year from a former UA golfer/triathlete that got her Dental creds from UA...

All I'm saying is yes BB rules the attention and focus of this little desert town, without it we'd be stuck watching 4th street do its best to be San Francisco in desert drag, but the University has a name for itself that actually dwarves its athletic department you just have to know who to ask...I ask the Russian who runs lasers in the lab or the guy from India that came and did a 6 months math class, or the two exchange students From the University of FLorida who came just for our world class Arab language class...

Postmaster wrote:I just found this site 2 weeks ago. Ironically someone mentioned the site on Scout.
That's how I found you all.
I was more of a lurker than poster back in the goazcats days.
Glad I found you guys.

Anyway, one thing I don't quite follow is the part where Sood (I think) says that one other player has been taken care of so there is no cost there.
Wasn't that quote before Book started getting money? If so, was it these guys that paid him? Or could that mean that these guys were just aware of that player getting money from someone else? It appears to be someone who had been here last season, if I'm reading it right.

HiCat wrote:Day 4

http://tucson.com/sports/arizonawildcat ... 688.html#3" target="_blank

Spaceman Spiff wrote:

Hank of sb wrote:

Spaceman Spiff wrote:

Beachcat97 wrote:Hardest part right now is just the deafening silence from Miller and the team. And I get it: they *can't* say anything. This just has to run its course; then we'll see what's what.

Overall, feeling a little better as this day comes to an end. I'm not seeing an obvious reason that Miller needs to lose his job. Because there isn't one.

Bear down, fellas! Have a good weekend!

The frustrating part for me is that I know the only way this won't drag on for months or years is if Miller is fired. Otherwise, we have to live with the dark cloud hanging there and wonder when the sanctions come.

Exactly....which is where the counter argument comes from.

What counter argument?

If we self impose, the NCAA can say it is not enough, so we still have to wait. If we fire Miller, we will still get sanctioned. There will be a wait period and then we will get some sanctions.

All we can do is hope the internsl investigation is accurate. That matters far, far, far more than what I've seen you push, which is the quick solution based in perceptions and conjecture.

CatHoops wrote:Reporting "AZ pays recruit 150k" is far from fact. It's lazy headline reporting.

Postmaster wrote:I just found this site 2 weeks ago. Ironically someone mentioned the site on Scout.
That's how I found you all.
I was more of a lurker than poster back in the goazcats days.
Glad I found you guys.

Anyway, one thing I don't quite follow is the part where Sood (I think) says that one other player has been taken care of so there is no cost there.
Wasn't that quote before Book started getting money? If so, was it these guys that paid him? Or could that mean that these guys were just aware of that player getting money from someone else? It appears to be someone who had been here last season, if I'm reading it right.

HiCat wrote:Sure looks like Adidas reps in deep.

After two years undercover, the FBI found members of top NCAA basketball programs involved in corrupt bribery schemes. Here's how those schemes worked. Patrick Gleason and Eric Garland

Read more here: http://www.kentucky.com/sports/college/ ... rylink=cpy" target="_blank

Chicat wrote:

HiCat wrote:Sure looks like Adidas reps in deep.

After two years undercover, the FBI found members of top NCAA basketball programs involved in corrupt bribery schemes. Here's how those schemes worked. Patrick Gleason and Eric Garland

Read more here: http://www.kentucky.com/sports/college/ ... rylink=cpy" target="_blank

HiCat, is that the right link? I didn't see anything about the schemes. More about how it will affect recruiting.

Alieberman wrote:1) The NCAA is going to demand blood
2) The UofA needs to show how seriously they take this.
3) There is only 1 logical solution.

By the end of this weekend, The UofA needs to fire Rich Rodriguez.

Harvey Specter wrote:]

I value tremendously the education and total student experience I had at the University of Arizona and would not trade it for anything in the world. I am proud of the many notable accomplishments that UA researchers have contributed. We have some exceptionally successful (and pretty highly visible) successful businessmen that we can claim as alumni.

We also have some very highly respected individual programs (which virtually every school does) I think our medical school is much more highly regarded, especially in Oncology & Cardiology (or st least they used to be), than many people realize.

But regardless of those factors, the view for most of the world outside Tucson - of the University as a whole - is that academically it is a mid-tier-at-best PAC-12 Instiution. Decent but not revered. Not in the same stratosphere as Stanford / Cal / USC / UCLA... considerably behind UW.... marginally behind UT & CO... generally on par with ASU... and marginally ahead of OSU / WSU.

Perception is reality, and perception is largely driven by brand recognition. Arizona Basketball has done more to expand the University of Arizona brand (with the General public) than any other facet of the University. If you are interviewing for a job (outside of a very highly specified scientific field)... a discussion about UA BB will build more rapport with a lot more people than a discussion of some obscure academic breakthrough.

I am not trying to rain on your parade... but for those of us that have pursued careers in commercial endeavors (which I and many others have) - Arizona Basketball has been a far more valuable asset in finding a topic for discussin to build rapport with a prospective employer, client, customer, or employee than any other aspect of the University.

Arizona Basketball matterss. A lot.

Alieberman wrote:For the record- I just got done burning all of my Book Richardson jerseys

BibbysTowelDude wrote:The sanctions are going to be weak, the NCAA has been neutered.

You Fire No One
You Suspend No One
You Win Basketball Games Epically

You let the NCAA do their limp wristed bullshit. Vacate/Weak Sanctions...
You let the opposing fans and the media do what they always do. Vomit stupid bullshit all over the place.

It's 2017 folks, High School Recruits aren't going to give a shit about any of this in 2 weeks.

Everyone acts likes this is gonna change much. The deck chairs will rearranged and the homies will still be handing out bags of cash. 5 Star Johnny is still gonna hold a dollar.

CatFanOneMil wrote:

zonagrad wrote:We have a relatively new University President and athletics director. Because they're still new to Arizona, I wonder if they can appreciate the loyalty of Arizona fans to the basketball program and to Sean Miller. I hope they don't view this as just a large cog in the overall university system and athletic department. Do they understand that the program built by Lute Olson IS the University of Arizona? Do they fully comprehend that without the basketball program, the U of A wouldn't have the brand recognition it enjoys? Do they understand that fans have loyally packed McKale Center for 30 years? Can they grasp that Arizona fans pack Las Vegas in March for the conference tourney? Because if they don't, they're liable to treat this as simply a business decision and make the move that many in the media and non-UA fans think they should make and fire Miller prematurely.

While I appreciate the fanatical perspective a dose of reality for a UA grad might be in order...

You could shut down the BB program tomorrow and the UofA would still be a world class university, hell just last week they successfully did some shit to a robot thingy out in space that is slingsnoting it around earth towards a rock or sumthin...(this was not the actual wording of the press release but pretty damn close)...

There are tons of advances attributed to this University every year that get swallowed up in the wake of "The best coach to never reach a FF" and lost to our attention...

World class health care in this town due in part to the University of Arizona

Other world class astronomy and archeology shit all the time...

I had major cutting edge dental holistic surgery this year from a former UA golfer/triathlete that got her Dental creds from UA...

All I'm saying is yes BB rules the attention and focus of this little desert town, without it we'd be stuck watching 4th street do its best to be San Francisco in desert drag, but the University has a name for itself that actually dwarves its athletic department you just have to know who to ask...I ask the Russian who runs lasers in the lab or the guy from India that came and did a 6 months math class, or the two exchange students From the University of FLorida who came just for our world class Arab language class...

HiCat wrote:Day 4

http://tucson.com/sports/arizonawildcat ... 688.html#3" target="_blank

The purpose of the meeting, according to the complaint, was for Baker to make introductions between the player’s father and the financial adviser, and ultimately steer the prospect to him once he entered the NBA draft. The complaint says the feds’ cooperating witness gave Michel $10,000 that was to be given to Baker for arranging the meeting.

For someone who formerly worked as one of the NCAA rules cops to be caught up in this, on the heels of the bombshell dropped by the feds Tuesday, hints at the profound credibility problems facing the sport. Baker worked in NCAA enforcement from October 2014 to September 2015, according to his LinkedIn bio. He then joined the Alabama athletic department that September.

prh wrote:Earlier this week there was lots of talk about being embarrassed or ashamed or whatever of being a Wildcat, wearing the block A, etc. Even when football sucks, I still go to work wearing Arizona gear. Even when basketball is eliminated from the tourney, I still wear red and blue. For me, being a Wildcat isn't just about how the teams are doing. Being a Wildcat is just who I am, and nothing is going to change that.

gumby wrote:

HiCat wrote:Day 4

http://tucson.com/sports/arizonawildcat ... 688.html#3" target="_blank

From the Alabama/Byrne article, it would appear Greg's review is finished and an administrator the only one dirty. That was fast. This is what stuck out at me.

https://sports.yahoo.com/alabama-caught ... 59682.html" target="_blank

The purpose of the meeting, according to the complaint, was for Baker to make introductions between the player’s father and the financial adviser, and ultimately steer the prospect to him once he entered the NBA draft. The complaint says the feds’ cooperating witness gave Michel $10,000 that was to be given to Baker for arranging the meeting.

For someone who formerly worked as one of the NCAA rules cops to be caught up in this, on the heels of the bombshell dropped by the feds Tuesday, hints at the profound credibility problems facing the sport. Baker worked in NCAA enforcement from October 2014 to September 2015, according to his LinkedIn bio. He then joined the Alabama athletic department that September.

So incestuous. Blow it up. When our best hope is the cops are dirty, too ... ugh.

If the NCAA wants to cover up its knowledge of sleaze, it might go for a few scalps (ours being one) and then move on. I would hope Arizona would NOT play along in order to preserve status quo. I want to see the "Everybody Does It" defense from anyone who is charged or sanctioned. I want them to name names if the NCAA tries to contain this.

Gatto and Code are the real threats to the status quo. Most of the comments to date are based on the DOJ complaint. Code has worked for Nike and Adidas. I seriously doubt he would take the fall. He's facing a lot of time. He has family. If I were him, I'd be loyal to family, not the swamp.

Postmaster wrote:#1. Jmarkjohhns, thanks for all of the porn.
#2. I was in AD office the other day and Henke's office door was closed.
#3. Hansen usually won't attack a coach unless said coach is on the way out.

Postmaster wrote: #3. Hansen usually won't attack a coach unless said coach is on the way out.

Alieberman wrote:1) The NCAA is going to demand blood
2) The UofA needs to show how seriously they take this.
3) There is only 1 logical solution.

By the end of this weekend, The UofA needs to fire Rich Rodriguez.

ChooChooCat wrote:

CatHoops wrote:Reporting "AZ pays recruit 150k" is far from fact. It's lazy headline reporting.

I mean the "media" group that has been reporting that is far from real media. They're a equivalent to volunteers with credentials.

CatHoops wrote:Dick Vitale 

✔@DickieV

Have known SEAN MILLER @APlayersProgramfor many yrs & I would be shocked if he was aware of his ass't CHEATING! 

2:52 PM - Sep 29, 2017 · Tampa, FL

He's back pedaling!!!

gumby wrote:Not Henke, it's HEEKe

EVCat wrote:I love that idea that Hansen only attacks a coach on their way out of town/to be fired.

That is just high level humor. Almost like the 80's, 90's and 00' s never happened.