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That's why we have power rankings. Until we realize that they do power rankings just like they do the AP rankings.YoDeFoe wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 10:29 amTennessee and Texas got BLOWN OUT in their losses. Kentucky has a loss and no top-100 wins, same with Illinois. Memphis, Alabama, and Baylor haven't played anyone.loomer wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 10:03 am #17 in the AP https://apnews.com/hub/ap-top-25-colleg ... oll?week=3
The stickiness of preseason rankings is incredibly stupid. "We ranked you low because you have to show us you're legit. But also we can't rank you high (despite what you've shown us) because we previously ranked you low. This is rational."
That would be incredible if we made the elite 8 in year one of CTL.EastCoastCat wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 7:03 pm Wouldn’t it be funny if we were the 2 seed out west and had to face the Zags to go to the FF?
YoDeFoe wrote: ↑Tue Nov 16, 2021 11:16 pm...YoDeFoe wrote: ↑Sun Oct 31, 2021 1:49 pmI love the inclusion of Arizona, but I'm a firm non-believer in Oregon.
Having faith in Oregon means believing in point guard Will Richardson. The senior was excellent in 2019-20, averaging 11 points on a 48/47/85 shooting split. But he didn't take a leap forward last season after missing the first 12 games of the campaign. Now that he's the clear leader, look for Richardson to make a push for Pac-12 Player of the Year.
Will Richardson is not that guy. He's not Pac-12 POY material and I'm wondering what is going on with folks who see a superstar in him. He's a fine player - he's good - he's just not that guy. And part of the reason is that the next three guys believe they're the guy...
Additionally, coach Dana Altman used the transfer portal to add several high-level pieces, including guards De'Vion Harmon (Oklahoma) and Jacob Young (Rutgers), as well as forward Quincy Guerrier (Syracuse). This is all before mentioning five-star big man Nate Bittle, who should play a role from the jump.
Guerrier is a good and productive PF who wants to be a SF this year to show scouts that he has more to his game. The trouble is two fold: 1) he's not going to get that much run at the SF position with this guard-heavy roster, 2) he doesn't have more to his game. He's successful because he beats post players to the rim with his quickness and motor. He either needs to change his dreams or change his game and I don't know which is more unlikely.
Harmon is nice - he's a shorter two guard but he's got a lengthy wingspan and good toughness. But he's another guy who deeply believes he's an NBA player and has joined Oregon to show it and 1) I'm just not there with him, and 2) I think being desperate to show your individual skills (especially when maybe truthfully those skills aren't fully there) doesn't lend itself to team success. He developed some nice mid-range scoring last season and I like his intangibles so there's some merit to believing in him. But despite thinking he's a lead guard he hasn't shown the ability to shoot from distance and he's got 62 assists to 81 turnovers in his career so far... his family has blamed that on Oklahoma's system but maybe it's just him.
And Jacob Young... he's a high usage low efficiency small and not long back-up two guard. That's it. There's so very little to merit to even mentioning this dude as a meaningful piece of a basketball team that if he's being mentioned, that's a red flag for the roster.
Nathan Bittle might get some extra run this season only because potential star center N'Fale Dante is still recovering from a torn ACL. Read that again and let me know what level of confidence you get from it.
It's morning for the proud tradition. Feels like we're gearing up for a nice long run of dominance in the coming years. Are there questions about recruiting and possible NCAA penalties? Sure. But it matters much more to have the right guy as coach.Alieberman wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 9:14 am I really think this is a special team.
The players certainly have a great chemistry and they all seem to love their 1st year coach.
This is a recipe for success.
His distance shooting has not been great, but every other aspect of his game has gone in the right direction. Rebound % is up, assist % is up, turnover % is down, win shares and BPM are up, specifically on D.IndianaZonaFan wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 10:20 am I don’t think Dalen is getting enough respect for his improvement. He is being overshadowed by Koloko’s jump. But he looks like the leader of this team. And his game is suited so much better to this style.
He has a much better bounce than I saw last year. He is stronger and so important to the success of the team. I see a strong correlation to us struggling against Wichita and him being in foul trouble. Am I wrong here? Or is it just not getting talked about enough?
Yeah but not in a "we're proud of you for your hard work and sportsmanship" way. More like a "you overwhelmed and embarrassed our adversaries" way.Alieberman wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 9:14 am I really think this is a special team.
The players certainly have a great chemistry and they all seem to love their 1st year coach.
This is a recipe for success.
Yeah I'm a bit worried about Dalen's ability to score beyond the rim. But he's been a massive part of the flow and fun of the offense and a super effective and enthusiastic defender this season. And oh yeah, that reboundingSpaceman Spiff wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 11:08 amHis distance shooting has not been great, but every other aspect of his game has gone in the right direction. Rebound % is up, assist % is up, turnover % is down, win shares and BPM are up, specifically on D.IndianaZonaFan wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 10:20 am I don’t think Dalen is getting enough respect for his improvement. He is being overshadowed by Koloko’s jump. But he looks like the leader of this team. And his game is suited so much better to this style.
He has a much better bounce than I saw last year. He is stronger and so important to the success of the team. I see a strong correlation to us struggling against Wichita and him being in foul trouble. Am I wrong here? Or is it just not getting talked about enough?
His total win shares (it's an accruing stat) were 0.4 on offense and 0.8 on D last year. He's matched the 0.4 on offense and is halfway to last year on D with 0.4 in just 5 games vs 26 last year. His Dbpm is 5 full points higher than last year.
I doubt his game will ever be sexy, but he's a stat sheet stuffer that will complement others well, which is exactly what we need out of him.
He needs to be better than 28% from 3 (where he is now) to be a real scoring option. He isn't dynamic enough off the bounce to be a subpar shooter and still score consistently.YoDeFoe wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 12:50 pmYeah I'm a bit worried about Dalen's ability to score beyond the rim. But he's been a massive part of the flow and fun of the offense and a super effective and enthusiastic defender this season. And oh yeah, that reboundingSpaceman Spiff wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 11:08 amHis distance shooting has not been great, but every other aspect of his game has gone in the right direction. Rebound % is up, assist % is up, turnover % is down, win shares and BPM are up, specifically on D.IndianaZonaFan wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 10:20 am I don’t think Dalen is getting enough respect for his improvement. He is being overshadowed by Koloko’s jump. But he looks like the leader of this team. And his game is suited so much better to this style.
He has a much better bounce than I saw last year. He is stronger and so important to the success of the team. I see a strong correlation to us struggling against Wichita and him being in foul trouble. Am I wrong here? Or is it just not getting talked about enough?
His total win shares (it's an accruing stat) were 0.4 on offense and 0.8 on D last year. He's matched the 0.4 on offense and is halfway to last year on D with 0.4 in just 5 games vs 26 last year. His Dbpm is 5 full points higher than last year.
I doubt his game will ever be sexy, but he's a stat sheet stuffer that will complement others well, which is exactly what we need out of him.
For his future he needs to dial in his shooting but for the team's success right now he's been fantastic.
Dalen TerryPostmaster wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 2:57 pm That Chet Holmgrem dude was impressive last night. Not sure who guards him.
There's a paywall for me - can you post it?YoDeFoe wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 11:51 am https://theathletic.com/2970814/2021/11 ... he-middle/
Was this already posted? Because I absolutely love it.
As prone as I am to all things Aussie, I cant say I'm comfortable with any Wildcat in the same sentence as Ben Simmons.dovecanyoncat wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 1:13 pm Dalen can Ben Simmons his way to paint points and defense and if he boards and dimes like he has been I'll be happy as a clam.
Thanks Longhorned. I'll take it anyway I can get it... PM maybe?Longhorned wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 3:59 pm Shoplift for me one of those frozen turkeys and send me some pictures of your wife.
I think UCLA’s guards/wings are the best in the league. They’re deep at those positions and can hurt you in a lot of ways.Alieberman wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 4:08 pm I know its really early in the season and I shouldn't be thinking such things----
But who in the Pac-12 are we overmatched by?
It sucks seeing KJ Simpson contributing for Colorado.Beachcat97 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 9:35 pmI think UCLA’s guards/wings are the best in the league. They’re deep at those positions and can hurt you in a lot of ways.Alieberman wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 4:08 pm I know its really early in the season and I shouldn't be thinking such things----
But who in the Pac-12 are we overmatched by?
Aside from them, though, I don’t see another team I’d say we’re “overmatched” by. Oregon got killed again tonight. USC and Colorado have been solid so far.
Sorta feel like we have the same advantage vs. UCLA that Gonzaga has (size, defense), just not sure we can unleash the kind of onslaught Gonzaga can from time to time. Lute’s teams would occasionally have their “death runs” where we’d go on like a 15-0 run and basically impose our will on an opponent. Does our current team have that kind of explosiveness?Spaceman Spiff wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 9:44 pmIt sucks seeing KJ Simpson contributing for Colorado.Beachcat97 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 9:35 pmI think UCLA’s guards/wings are the best in the league. They’re deep at those positions and can hurt you in a lot of ways.Alieberman wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 4:08 pm I know its really early in the season and I shouldn't be thinking such things----
But who in the Pac-12 are we overmatched by?
Aside from them, though, I don’t see another team I’d say we’re “overmatched” by. Oregon got killed again tonight. USC and Colorado have been solid so far.
KJ Simpson would be fighting with Adama Bal for minutes here. I'm not going to try and extinguish your flame for him / your ire for Lloyd's recruiting for not retaining him, but let's be real about the impact he could make for Arizona this season.Spaceman Spiff wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 9:44 pmIt sucks seeing KJ Simpson contributing for Colorado.Beachcat97 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 9:35 pmI think UCLA’s guards/wings are the best in the league. They’re deep at those positions and can hurt you in a lot of ways.Alieberman wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 4:08 pm I know its really early in the season and I shouldn't be thinking such things----
But who in the Pac-12 are we overmatched by?
Aside from them, though, I don’t see another team I’d say we’re “overmatched” by. Oregon got killed again tonight. USC and Colorado have been solid so far.
It's more about who's next. Kier is definitely gone and I expect Mathurin will be as well. Backup PG and perimeter depth is a big question next year and not addressed in our recruiting class to date.YoDeFoe wrote: ↑Fri Nov 26, 2021 12:40 pmKJ Simpson would be fighting with Adama Bal for minutes here. I'm not going to try and extinguish your flame for him / your ire for Lloyd's recruiting for not retaining him, but let's be real about the impact he could make for Arizona this season.Spaceman Spiff wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 9:44 pmIt sucks seeing KJ Simpson contributing for Colorado.Beachcat97 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 9:35 pmI think UCLA’s guards/wings are the best in the league. They’re deep at those positions and can hurt you in a lot of ways.Alieberman wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 4:08 pm I know its really early in the season and I shouldn't be thinking such things----
But who in the Pac-12 are we overmatched by?
Aside from them, though, I don’t see another team I’d say we’re “overmatched” by. Oregon got killed again tonight. USC and Colorado have been solid so far.
I'm guessing the plan here is to bring in a transfer in 2022 and go all-in on Boswell in 2023Spaceman Spiff wrote: ↑Fri Nov 26, 2021 12:44 pmIt's more about who's next. Kier is definitely gone and I expect Mathurin will be as well. Backup PG and perimeter depth is a big question next year and not addressed in our recruiting class to date.YoDeFoe wrote: ↑Fri Nov 26, 2021 12:40 pmKJ Simpson would be fighting with Adama Bal for minutes here. I'm not going to try and extinguish your flame for him / your ire for Lloyd's recruiting for not retaining him, but let's be real about the impact he could make for Arizona this season.Spaceman Spiff wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 9:44 pm It sucks seeing KJ Simpson contributing for Colorado.
Simpson wouldn't be doing much this year, but as a developmental prospect who would hopefully be stepping into a more major role as a soph, I think he'd be useful. Maybe Bal or Nowell help, but neither strikes me as a backup PG, which Simpson would be.
I think we have to start considering the possibility of being without Koloko next year too. Hes playing himself into a draft pick.Spaceman Spiff wrote: ↑Fri Nov 26, 2021 12:44 pmIt's more about who's next. Kier is definitely gone and I expect Mathurin will be as well. Backup PG and perimeter depth is a big question next year and not addressed in our recruiting class to date.YoDeFoe wrote: ↑Fri Nov 26, 2021 12:40 pmKJ Simpson would be fighting with Adama Bal for minutes here. I'm not going to try and extinguish your flame for him / your ire for Lloyd's recruiting for not retaining him, but let's be real about the impact he could make for Arizona this season.Spaceman Spiff wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 9:44 pmIt sucks seeing KJ Simpson contributing for Colorado.Beachcat97 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 9:35 pmI think UCLA’s guards/wings are the best in the league. They’re deep at those positions and can hurt you in a lot of ways.Alieberman wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 4:08 pm I know its really early in the season and I shouldn't be thinking such things----
But who in the Pac-12 are we overmatched by?
Aside from them, though, I don’t see another team I’d say we’re “overmatched” by. Oregon got killed again tonight. USC and Colorado have been solid so far.
Simpson wouldn't be doing much this year, but as a developmental prospect who would hopefully be stepping into a more major role as a soph, I think he'd be useful. Maybe Bal or Nowell help, but neither strikes me as a backup PG, which Simpson would be.
Very relieved to hear that. Here’s hoping the hoops gods spare us and let this team get through the entire season free of serious injury. It’s so exciting to think about this team fully healthy, with a lot more games logged, heading into March. No reason this team can’t be playing into the second weekend. This fan base needs it!
Pretty wild that starters played 20min/g and we scored 100+ and practically doubled the other team up.IndianaZonaFan wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 7:38 am Didn’t get a chance to watch the game yet, but saw the box score. Looks like our bigs dominated and some good bench performances (Aiken & Pelle) to cover for poor shooting from Kerr, Benn & Dalen? Kerr with 9 dimes, and Benn with 7 boards. Looks like limited minutes for the starters too though.
