Re: 2018-2019 Arizona Basketball
Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2019 2:15 pm
True. Does that say more about Miller or more about the mentality of the players?
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Merk, hard to quibble with Miller and mis-evaluations, especially at PG. However, I felt Williams had started to turn the corner and during conference play was our best player (not a huge stretch). He was hitting 40% from 3 and leading the team in scoring. He was still struggling with TO's. Would his ratio be better if he had players that could convert? Hard to call Williams a miss.Merkin wrote:Randolph, Barcello, Lee, Doutrive, Williams, 4 stars, Akot a 5 star.
That's a lot of missed evaluations. It's not like Miller was the only one to offer them too.
People are high on Williams, but he is only shooting 38% and 31% 3 pt with 3.7 assists and 1.7 TO a game.
Randolph is shooting 39%/29% with 1.1/1.3 A.TO.
Luther had 10 boards a game his least season at Pitt, and only averages 4 now. Not too great for the strongest guy on the team.
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Good point, and truly one of my favorite Cats this season. Outside of Jeter, probably the only one I want to see return, perhaps besides Doutrive who is just awfully raw but has a great motor.baycat93 wrote: Merk, hard to quibble with Miller and mis-evaluations, especially at PG. However, I felt Williams had started to turn the corner and during conference play was our best player (not a huge stretch). He was hitting 40% from 3 and leading the team in scoring. He was still struggling with TO's. Would his ratio be better if he had players that could convert? Hard to call Williams a miss.
BWill was at 44% and 40% in conference. That's part of it with him. He was up and down early, but really was coming on when his knee cropped up.Merkin wrote:Randolph, Barcello, Lee, Doutrive, Williams, 4 stars, Akot a 5 star.
That's a lot of missed evaluations. It's not like Miller was the only one to offer them too.
People are high on Williams, but he is only shooting 38% and 31% 3 pt with 3.7 assists and 1.7 TO a game.
Randolph is shooting 39%/29% with 1.1/1.3 A.TO.
Luther had 10 boards a game his least season at Pitt, and only averages 4 now. Not too great for the strongest guy on the team.
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Dusan improved massively. You also listed multiple guys who were here only one year.RiseAndFire wrote:Who was the last player to actually improve perceptively under this coach? Cant think of a good example but there are lots of examples of players just maintianing status quo or regressing (Mayes, PJC, Simon, Chol, Kobi, Rawle, Tarc, Akot, Dusan, D.Smith)
Thats not called "missing/misevaluating the recruit" its called being a crap coach who is unable to develop non-5-star recruits.
Dusan guarded the opposing Center. Was there some bigger and slower sixth man out there that Dusan should have been guarding?RiseAndFire wrote:(stuck playing man against smaller and quicker opponents in this unadjustable system)
I replied to your email, not sure if you got it or if that goes to the board somewhere. I added it and it said it was too long, needs to be 255 characters or less, I gave you an opportunity to edit it, or I could. Let me know.RiseAndFire wrote:lol dusan scoring improved from 17 to 18 (per 40 mins) over the course of his career. I guess that counts as massive improvement. We also know he still couldn’t defend in his sr year. being a statue and all (stuck playing man against smaller and quicker opponents in this unadjustable system)
PJC cannot be listed as an improvement seeing as how he is the #1 scapegoat for all millers failures the past four years. must i dig up the threads trashing him endlessly?
U.P i’m not seeing a sig under you? I see spiffs obnoxious massive image in his sig but not yours? idk
At 8 MPG, Dusan's freshman year production was against backups and in garbage time. Maintaining vs starters is indicative of improvement. Going from 8 MPG to a starter is also indicative of improvement.RiseAndFire wrote:lol dusan scoring improved from 17 to 18 (per 40 mins) over the course of his career. I guess that counts as massive improvement. We also know he still couldn’t defend in his sr year. being a statue and all (stuck playing man against smaller and quicker opponents in this unadjustable system)
PJC cannot be listed as an improvement seeing as how he is the #1 scapegoat for all millers failures the past four years. must i dig up the threads trashing him endlessly?
U.P i’m not seeing a sig under you? I see spiffs obnoxious massive image in his sig but not yours? idk
Easy now. It could happen to anyone.Spaceman Spiff wrote:BWill was at 44% and 40% in conference. That's part of it with him. He was up and down early, but really was coming on when his knee cropped up.Merkin wrote:Randolph, Barcello, Lee, Doutrive, Williams, 4 stars, Akot a 5 star.
That's a lot of missed evaluations. It's not like Miller was the only one to offer them too.
People are high on Williams, but he is only shooting 38% and 31% 3 pt with 3.7 assists and 1.7 TO a game.
Randolph is shooting 39%/29% with 1.1/1.3 A.TO.
Luther had 10 boards a game his least season at Pitt, and only averages 4 now. Not too great for the strongest guy on the team.
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Randolph has never evolved beyond an iffy volume shooter with a penchant for bad shots.
But we had to win battles for them. People talk about Miller's evals...Zaga and Oregon were all over Williams and we were glad to get him.
Did he miss on Simmons, Jerret, or Simon? I would think Comanche is, at worst, an incomplete.baycat93 wrote: MIssing on guys like Simmons, Jerret, Randolph, Comanche, Simon, Akot destroy his ability to keep a productive bench and get continuity.
Longhorned wrote:Easy now. It could happen to anyone.
That's the point, there is nobody bigger and slower in the conference. And yet Miller STILL had him running out and hedging the 3pt line in his inflexible man-only system. How many times did we get burned on PnR with Dus out on the perimeter? Its yet another example of not putting the players you have in position to be most successful, watching them fail and doing nothign about it other than blame their effort.Chicat wrote:Dusan guarded the opposing Center. Was there some bigger and slower sixth man out there that Dusan should have been guarding?RiseAndFire wrote:(stuck playing man against smaller and quicker opponents in this unadjustable system)
Anonymous wrote: The PJC only strategy really limited us.
Totally Random person wrote:PJC was....just small and not particularly effective as a starter.
Those are some ringing endorsements! - It sure sounds like PJC really improved a lot over his 4 years under Miller!Probably not SpacemanSpiff wrote: Williams should be better than PJC ever was pretty fast. PJC was a good kid but always with such a low ceiling.
McConnell like Trier and others only really flourished once they left Miller's bennett ball system. Nobody here expected these guys to be occasional NBA starters or get real minutes for their teams based on what they showed at UA.Merkin wrote:TJ McConnell was the "other guy" in that UA had 4 future NBAers and the other guy. Look at him now. That's not player development?
And those other guys who bailed on Miller and the UA, where are they now? Kyle Fogg also developed very nicely, became an European all star.
So playing zone defense makes the other team play big slow people Dusan could guard?RiseAndFire wrote:That's the point, there is nobody bigger and slower in the conference. And yet Miller STILL had him running out and hedging the 3pt line in his inflexible man-only system. How many times did we get burned on PnR with Dus out on the perimeter? Its yet another example of not putting the players you have in position to be most successful, watching them fail and doing nothign about it other than blame their effort.Chicat wrote:Dusan guarded the opposing Center. Was there some bigger and slower sixth man out there that Dusan should have been guarding?RiseAndFire wrote:(stuck playing man against smaller and quicker opponents in this unadjustable system)
Kobi wasn't a bad evaluation. He contributed until Trier returned. Then, he just got cut out of the rotation because Kadeem, Trier and Rawle were all ahead of him and contributing big time.EVCat wrote:Did he miss on Simmons, Jerret, or Simon? I would think Comanche is, at worst, an incomplete.baycat93 wrote: MIssing on guys like Simmons, Jerret, Randolph, Comanche, Simon, Akot destroy his ability to keep a productive bench and get continuity.
Simmons was a huge factor for us when we had injuries early, but was just a freshman and made mistakes and had huge talent ahead of him. He bolted for the league, and is successful, given his draft status. Jerrett left too early. If he stays, we are likely 2014 national champs...he was very effective for a freshman playing behind some super players at his position his freshman year. Simon was a good eval...he just didn't like having others recruited for his position. He went off to St Johns and has been a good college player. Comanche, again, never bothered to be taught how to play...he left his development up to the pros, and that's not a good idea if you are entering as an expendable piece.
The PG situation was infuriating. But look who we really wanted (I REALLY wanted) that the PJC dad block seemed to affect most...Derryck Thornton, Jr. He flamed out at Duke, is serviceable at USC. Miller with him for 3 or 4 years? Is there any doubt he'd be better than he is now? He was such a fluid player with strong handle and seemingly ambidextrous...
Newsflash: a 7 ft statue like Dusan should be defending near the basket, not away from the basket. Zone isnt the answer all the time but it keeps Dusan (or Ayton, or Tarc) near the basket. If a smaller quicker player wants to drive to the basket well guess what 7' Dusan is waiting for him instead of being on the perimeter somewhere hard hedging. Advantage 7ft statue. This is called "putting your players in position to succeed". Or you can be Captain DoWhatWeDo and watch them fail and then after say they weren't playing defense with enough "effort" or "nastiness" or some other cop out.Chicat wrote:So playing zone defense makes the other team play big slow people Dusan could guard?RiseAndFire wrote:That's the point, there is nobody bigger and slower in the conference. And yet Miller STILL had him running out and hedging the 3pt line in his inflexible man-only system. How many times did we get burned on PnR with Dus out on the perimeter? Its yet another example of not putting the players you have in position to be most successful, watching them fail and doing nothign about it other than blame their effort.Chicat wrote:Dusan guarded the opposing Center. Was there some bigger and slower sixth man out there that Dusan should have been guarding?RiseAndFire wrote:(stuck playing man against smaller and quicker opponents in this unadjustable system)
Newsflash: Just because you use a zone doesn’t mean you eliminate mismatches. In fact, quite the opposite. Try watching basketball some time. You might learn something.
Newsflash: It doesn’t take much to pull a center out of position in a zone by running a 1-3-1 and attacking the short corners. So instead of seeing Dusan hedge & recover you would have seen him dunked on after back cuts. Fun!RiseAndFire wrote:Newsflash: a 7 ft statue like Dusan should be defending near the basket, not away from the basket. Zone isnt the answer all the time but it keeps Dusan (or Ayton, or Tarc) near the basket. If a smaller quicker player wants to drive to the basket well guess what 7' Dusan is waiting for him instead of being on the perimeter somewhere hard hedging. Advantage 7ft statue. This is called "putting your players in position to succeed". Or you can be Captain DoWhatWeDo and watch them fail and then after say they weren't playing defense with enough "effort" or "nastiness" or some other cop out.Chicat wrote:So playing zone defense makes the other team play big slow people Dusan could guard?RiseAndFire wrote:That's the point, there is nobody bigger and slower in the conference. And yet Miller STILL had him running out and hedging the 3pt line in his inflexible man-only system. How many times did we get burned on PnR with Dus out on the perimeter? Its yet another example of not putting the players you have in position to be most successful, watching them fail and doing nothign about it other than blame their effort.Chicat wrote:Dusan guarded the opposing Center. Was there some bigger and slower sixth man out there that Dusan should have been guarding?RiseAndFire wrote:(stuck playing man against smaller and quicker opponents in this unadjustable system)
Newsflash: Just because you use a zone doesn’t mean you eliminate mismatches. In fact, quite the opposite. Try watching basketball some time. You might learn something.
That's a rather narrow definition of "misevaluation". Mental makeup and character is important and Miller has either missed on that or missed in physical talent evaluations by thinking they were more ready than they are. This is why I don't celebrate Miller's recruiting titles the way some on here do. If you're going to recruit like Duke and UK, then you need to get 3-4 top-10/15 level guys a year and expect a new starting group of super talented freshmen every year. If you're not doing that, then you need to recruit a balanced roster of your one impact freshman a year and guys who are actually willing to stay around. He's gotten caught in the middle of recruiting guys just below that level that maybe other teams aren't chasing quite as hard because they know it's not a guy who will make an impact yet and won't have the mentality to fight for it for 3 years.Spaceman Spiff wrote:Kobi wasn't a bad evaluation. He contributed until Trier returned. Then, he just got cut out of the rotation because Kadeem, Trier and Rawle were all ahead of him and contributing big time.EVCat wrote:Did he miss on Simmons, Jerret, or Simon? I would think Comanche is, at worst, an incomplete.baycat93 wrote: MIssing on guys like Simmons, Jerret, Randolph, Comanche, Simon, Akot destroy his ability to keep a productive bench and get continuity.
Simmons was a huge factor for us when we had injuries early, but was just a freshman and made mistakes and had huge talent ahead of him. He bolted for the league, and is successful, given his draft status. Jerrett left too early. If he stays, we are likely 2014 national champs...he was very effective for a freshman playing behind some super players at his position his freshman year. Simon was a good eval...he just didn't like having others recruited for his position. He went off to St Johns and has been a good college player. Comanche, again, never bothered to be taught how to play...he left his development up to the pros, and that's not a good idea if you are entering as an expendable piece.
The PG situation was infuriating. But look who we really wanted (I REALLY wanted) that the PJC dad block seemed to affect most...Derryck Thornton, Jr. He flamed out at Duke, is serviceable at USC. Miller with him for 3 or 4 years? Is there any doubt he'd be better than he is now? He was such a fluid player with strong handle and seemingly ambidextrous...
Simon was more a developmental guy and didn't like being developmental. He had tools, but to today at SJU, he's a shaky jump shooter.
Guys who leave before they have much chance to develop aren't truly misevaluations. I thought Comanche was developing well. He got much stronger and developed his post game. He just didn't want to be here. There's a difference between a missed eval and a guy who just wants to leave.
As I've posted before, the average is 40% of players transferring. I think it's unrealistic to hold Miller to a standard when we've actually had fewer early departures than the national average.legallykenny wrote:That's a rather narrow definition of "misevaluation". Mental makeup and character is important and Miller has either missed on that or missed in physical talent evaluations by thinking they were more ready than they are. This is why I don't celebrate Miller's recruiting titles the way some on here do. If you're going to recruit like Duke and UK, then you need to get 3-4 top-10/15 level guys a year and expect a new starting group of super talented freshmen every year. If you're not doing that, then you need to recruit a balanced roster of your one impact freshman a year and guys who are actually willing to stay around. He's gotten caught in the middle of recruiting guys just below that level that maybe other teams aren't chasing quite as hard because they know it's not a guy who will make an impact yet and won't have the mentality to fight for it for 3 years.Spaceman Spiff wrote:Kobi wasn't a bad evaluation. He contributed until Trier returned. Then, he just got cut out of the rotation because Kadeem, Trier and Rawle were all ahead of him and contributing big time.EVCat wrote:Did he miss on Simmons, Jerret, or Simon? I would think Comanche is, at worst, an incomplete.baycat93 wrote: MIssing on guys like Simmons, Jerret, Randolph, Comanche, Simon, Akot destroy his ability to keep a productive bench and get continuity.
Simmons was a huge factor for us when we had injuries early, but was just a freshman and made mistakes and had huge talent ahead of him. He bolted for the league, and is successful, given his draft status. Jerrett left too early. If he stays, we are likely 2014 national champs...he was very effective for a freshman playing behind some super players at his position his freshman year. Simon was a good eval...he just didn't like having others recruited for his position. He went off to St Johns and has been a good college player. Comanche, again, never bothered to be taught how to play...he left his development up to the pros, and that's not a good idea if you are entering as an expendable piece.
The PG situation was infuriating. But look who we really wanted (I REALLY wanted) that the PJC dad block seemed to affect most...Derryck Thornton, Jr. He flamed out at Duke, is serviceable at USC. Miller with him for 3 or 4 years? Is there any doubt he'd be better than he is now? He was such a fluid player with strong handle and seemingly ambidextrous...
Simon was more a developmental guy and didn't like being developmental. He had tools, but to today at SJU, he's a shaky jump shooter.
Guys who leave before they have much chance to develop aren't truly misevaluations. I thought Comanche was developing well. He got much stronger and developed his post game. He just didn't want to be here. There's a difference between a missed eval and a guy who just wants to leave.
legallykenny wrote:That's a rather narrow definition of "misevaluation". Mental makeup and character is important and Miller has either missed on that or missed in physical talent evaluations by thinking they were more ready than they are. This is why I don't celebrate Miller's recruiting titles the way some on here do. If you're going to recruit like Duke and UK, then you need to get 3-4 top-10/15 level guys a year and expect a new starting group of super talented freshmen every year. If you're not doing that, then you need to recruit a balanced roster of your one impact freshman a year and guys who are actually willing to stay around. He's gotten caught in the middle of recruiting guys just below that level that maybe other teams aren't chasing quite as hard because they know it's not a guy who will make an impact yet and won't have the mentality to fight for it for 3 years.Spaceman Spiff wrote:Kobi wasn't a bad evaluation. He contributed until Trier returned. Then, he just got cut out of the rotation because Kadeem, Trier and Rawle were all ahead of him and contributing big time.EVCat wrote:Did he miss on Simmons, Jerret, or Simon? I would think Comanche is, at worst, an incomplete.baycat93 wrote: MIssing on guys like Simmons, Jerret, Randolph, Comanche, Simon, Akot destroy his ability to keep a productive bench and get continuity.
Simmons was a huge factor for us when we had injuries early, but was just a freshman and made mistakes and had huge talent ahead of him. He bolted for the league, and is successful, given his draft status. Jerrett left too early. If he stays, we are likely 2014 national champs...he was very effective for a freshman playing behind some super players at his position his freshman year. Simon was a good eval...he just didn't like having others recruited for his position. He went off to St Johns and has been a good college player. Comanche, again, never bothered to be taught how to play...he left his development up to the pros, and that's not a good idea if you are entering as an expendable piece.
The PG situation was infuriating. But look who we really wanted (I REALLY wanted) that the PJC dad block seemed to affect most...Derryck Thornton, Jr. He flamed out at Duke, is serviceable at USC. Miller with him for 3 or 4 years? Is there any doubt he'd be better than he is now? He was such a fluid player with strong handle and seemingly ambidextrous...
Simon was more a developmental guy and didn't like being developmental. He had tools, but to today at SJU, he's a shaky jump shooter.
Guys who leave before they have much chance to develop aren't truly misevaluations. I thought Comanche was developing well. He got much stronger and developed his post game. He just didn't want to be here. There's a difference between a missed eval and a guy who just wants to leave.
Trevon Duval left Duke after one year. Where is he now?EVCat wrote:heck...we have a Duke transfer (Jeter) and have played against a Duke transfer (Thornton, Jr.). Both are playing major D1 minutes.
2017 signee Jordan Tucker transferred from Duke along with Jeter and Thornton. He's a 10 and 5 guy in his first season at Butler.
2017 signee Gary Trent, Jr. bounced after one year, and was no one's lottery pick. 2nd round, 37th pick. He is averaging 4 minutes a game in Portland after being traded from Sacramento...I guess he is one of the fortunate ones that has a roster spot as a 2nd rounder. The one year requirement was to keep the NBA from missing on all these kids who weren't ready, but Trent just up and got the fk out of town when the new class was coming in. Didn't even try to compete with this year's Duke super class.
That's just Duke. There's 4 recent "high profile" players who left a HOF coach. Was it mental makeup and character, and did K misevaluate them?
Or is recruiting really not a science, and you can't just pick who you want? The closest there is in the land in being able to grocery shop for talent is Duke, and even they have huge turnover.
Probably akin to leaving early for the pros too. Brian Williams/Bison Dele was Lute's very first player to declare for the pros early. Sean Elliott certainly didn't need to stay all 4 years, but he did.Spaceman Spiff wrote:
Trevon Duval left Duke after one year. Where is he now?
It's a fairly constant thing nowadays.
Gary Trent Jr. had a successful year. And when he bounced Duke replaced him with another top-3 overall recruit. My point was exactly this -- Sean doesn't bring in multiple kids at that level every year to replace ones who leave (whether as successes or too-early departures) the way Duke does. So he needs kids who will stick around.EVCat wrote:heck...we have a Duke transfer (Jeter) and have played against a Duke transfer (Thornton, Jr.). Both are playing major D1 minutes.
2017 signee Jordan Tucker transferred from Duke along with Jeter and Thornton. He's a 10 and 5 guy in his first season at Butler.
2017 signee Gary Trent, Jr. bounced after one year, and was no one's lottery pick. 2nd round, 37th pick. He is averaging 4 minutes a game in Portland after being traded from Sacramento...I guess he is one of the fortunate ones that has a roster spot as a 2nd rounder. The one year requirement was to keep the NBA from missing on all these kids who weren't ready, but Trent just up and got the fk out of town when the new class was coming in. Didn't even try to compete with this year's Duke super class.
That's just Duke. There's 4 recent "high profile" players who left a HOF coach. Was it mental makeup and character, and did K misevaluate them?
Or is recruiting really not a science, and you can't just pick who you want? The closest there is in the land in being able to grocery shop for talent is Duke, and even they have huge turnover.
It was a different world back then. Shaquille O'Neal spent 3 years at LSU. Today, he's one and done under all circumstances. Times have changed.Merkin wrote:Probably akin to leaving early for the pros too. Brian Williams/Bison Dele was Lute's very first player to declare for the pros early. Sean Elliott certainly didn't need to stay all 4 years, but he did.Spaceman Spiff wrote:
Trevon Duval left Duke after one year. Where is he now?
It's a fairly constant thing nowadays.
Krzyzewski didn't have anyone declare early until 1999.
Yes and no. Miller's had top shelf talent every year from the point he really started recruiting until this one, and the lack of it this year is the FBI/ESPN debacle.legallykenny wrote:Gary Trent Jr. had a successful year. And when he bounced Duke replaced him with another top-3 overall recruit. My point was exactly this -- Sean doesn't bring in multiple kids at that level every year to replace ones who leave (whether as successes or too-early departures) the way Duke does. So he needs kids who will stick around.EVCat wrote:heck...we have a Duke transfer (Jeter) and have played against a Duke transfer (Thornton, Jr.). Both are playing major D1 minutes.
2017 signee Jordan Tucker transferred from Duke along with Jeter and Thornton. He's a 10 and 5 guy in his first season at Butler.
2017 signee Gary Trent, Jr. bounced after one year, and was no one's lottery pick. 2nd round, 37th pick. He is averaging 4 minutes a game in Portland after being traded from Sacramento...I guess he is one of the fortunate ones that has a roster spot as a 2nd rounder. The one year requirement was to keep the NBA from missing on all these kids who weren't ready, but Trent just up and got the fk out of town when the new class was coming in. Didn't even try to compete with this year's Duke super class.
That's just Duke. There's 4 recent "high profile" players who left a HOF coach. Was it mental makeup and character, and did K misevaluate them?
Or is recruiting really not a science, and you can't just pick who you want? The closest there is in the land in being able to grocery shop for talent is Duke, and even they have huge turnover.
The main problem is guys like Trent tell Coach K they intend to be one and dones going into the year, because they think their draft status will be high enough to deem it worthy enough to be one and done. Well what is Coach K supposed to do when guys like Trent tell him that? Not recruit their replacement just in case it doesn't work out that way? No, you go and get that replacement and get him to sign in November (the same month the season starts). Now what happens is the draft stock that Trent thinks he would garner doesn't come to fruition after the season has ended, but Coach K has already done his job and recruited his replacement. That leaves Trent and his ilk 1 of 3 options: 1. Return to the same school, but likely lose minutes or maybe even your starting position to the guy coach recruited to replace you, and further hurting any chance of raising your draft stock 2. Transfer out of that school, but have to wait a year to play and in turn waste 2 more years of not making money playing basketball or 3. Just go pro and take your chances.EVCat wrote:Duke could use Trent right now.
Which is the point. They lose depth every year. They just haven't had to tap into it like we have the last two years.
Lose talent, recruit and reload. We do it like Duke does, this year our ability to recruit and reload got gutted.EVCat wrote:Duke could use Trent right now.
Which is the point. They lose depth every year. They just haven't had to tap into it like we have the last two years.
Good points Choo.ChooChooCat wrote:The main problem is guys like Trent tell Coach K they intend to be one and dones going into the year, because they think their draft status will be high enough to deem it worthy enough to be one and done. Well what is Coach K supposed to do when guys like Trent tell him that? Not recruit their replacement just in case it doesn't work out that way? No, you go and get that replacement and get him to sign in November (the same month the season starts). Now what happens is the draft stock that Trent thinks he would garner doesn't come to fruition after the season has ended, but Coach K has already done his job and recruited his replacement. That leaves Trent and his ilk 1 of 3 options: 1. Return to the same school, but likely lose minutes or maybe even your starting position to the guy coach recruited to replace you, and further hurting any chance of raising your draft stock 2. Transfer out of that school, but have to wait a year to play and in turn waste 2 more years of not making money playing basketball or 3. Just go pro and take your chances.EVCat wrote:Duke could use Trent right now.
Which is the point. They lose depth every year. They just haven't had to tap into it like we have the last two years.
Now this sort of arrangement has happened many times at Arizona too, Nick Johnson could've came back, but we had Stanley ready to go to replace him. Brandon Ashley could've came back, but we had Ryan Anderson in the wings. I mean it's an endless story and the coach has to do his job and replace guys who tell them they're not coming back even if circumstances after the year would've change their mind. It sucks, but it's the current climate we live in until the draft age changes.
ESPN is total shitCalStateTempe wrote:Man that fbi espn bullshit was like a torpedo hit to this program.
He and/or his handlers certainly can't point to lack of opportunity... lead the team with almost 32 minutes last night.billk78 wrote:Is Brandon Randolph playing himself off of next year's team? I guess that's a longshot? But man he looks awful. Unless there's an injury I don't know about, he seems to have simply lost any ability to shoot, score, defend, etc. I want to see him do well...but right now---even with a bad team--he hurts more than he helps. IMO Barcello and Doutrive have outplayed him. When does this "slump" become more of a question of whether he is actually good enough for this program?
That's why at this point of this season I don't care about a W unless singularly it predicates player development or extends our season in order to do the same. Lee, AB and DD won't be our head and shoulders next year but they will be our torso and core. This is good therapy for me but I tell myself it is good for Miller as well. Isn't this the mission that founded the love most coaches have for the game? As a fan it liberates me not to value our record over our development. Maybe Coach lets himself (remember) think that way as well. With all the crap that's going on, the man deserves some sanctuary: no better place to find it than in the source.Spaceman Spiff wrote:That's the thing. Even if we lose, these games are very valuable for Lee, DD and Barcello. They may not be our stars next year, but learning how to play on this level is severely underrated.