Role player at Arizona is not a bad thing. You'll play at a very high level.
But he's got be realistic/ honest about his own skill level within an extremely competitive environment.
Re: lets talk '16
Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2016 11:44 am
by Merkin
Didn't he leave Oregon due to that he (or his dad) felt that Altman was misusing him?
Unless he/dad have grown up since then I really doubt he is looking to be a scrub again, even at a high level.
Re: lets talk '16
Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2016 11:52 am
by Spaceman Spiff
Merkin wrote:Didn't he leave Oregon due to that he (or his dad) felt that Altman was misusing him?
Unless he/dad have grown up since then I really doubt he is looking to be a scrub again, even at a high level.
He averaged 8 and 6 at UNLV in a down year for them in 24 mpg as a 4th year junior. If he expects more than 20 mpg at a high major, well, that's on him. To be a rotation guy, sure. To be showcased? He'd better hit up a low major for that.
Re: lets talk '16
Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2016 12:03 pm
by CalStateTempe
Pass.
Re: lets talk '16
Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2016 12:55 pm
by Merkin
Spaceman Spiff wrote:
Merkin wrote:Didn't he leave Oregon due to that he (or his dad) felt that Altman was misusing him?
Unless he/dad have grown up since then I really doubt he is looking to be a scrub again, even at a high level.
He averaged 8 and 6 at UNLV in a down year for them in 24 mpg as a 4th year junior. If he expects more than 20 mpg at a high major, well, that's on him. To be a rotation guy, sure. To be showcased? He'd better hit up a low major for that.
Another key stat is that he only started 12 games in his career.
So imagine he will end up at ASU, unless he wants to be a small fish in a big pond.
Re: lets talk '16
Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2016 5:00 pm
by gumby
Spaceman Spiff wrote:
gumby wrote:If he doesn't mind being a role player.
He averaged 8 ppg for a middling UNLV team. If he wants a starring role, it should be clear that Arizona (or Mich St, Miami or NCSU) are not for him.
As long as it's clear ...
Re: lets talk '16
Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2016 9:29 pm
by Irish27
Re: lets talk '16
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2016 8:16 am
by Spaceman Spiff
gumby wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:
gumby wrote:If he doesn't mind being a role player.
He averaged 8 ppg for a middling UNLV team. If he wants a starring role, it should be clear that Arizona (or Mich St, Miami or NCSU) are not for him.
As long as it's clear ...
If it isn't, it never will be for him. If you transfer from a .500 MWC team to a top ten team and you expect to expand your role when it was a rotation player on the MWC team...well, you are a huge optimist.
Re: lets talk '16
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2016 12:44 pm
by gumby
Clearly ...
Re: lets talk '16
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2016 3:27 pm
by Bear Down Vegas
For what it's worth, Ben Carter is one of (& maybe the most of) the departures that rebel fans are bummed out over. He is absolutely a role player...but he plays hard every night & he's mostly solid fundamentally. I wouldn't mind him on the squad at all.
Re: lets talk '16
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2016 4:09 pm
by Spaceman Spiff
Bear Down Vegas wrote:For what it's worth, Ben Carter is one of (& maybe the most of) the departures that rebel fans are bummed out over. He is absolutely a role player...but he plays hard every night & he's mostly solid fundamentally. I wouldn't mind him on the squad at all.
That is saying something when you're down to 2 scholarship players.
Re: lets talk '16
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2016 11:45 am
by Merkin
Re: lets talk '16
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2016 4:07 pm
by midnightx
Merkin wrote:
Hurley sells him on being "the man" in the offense or at least a starter next year, Miller sells him on adding front court depth for a national title contender. If the kid thinks he has a shot at the NBA, he chooses the former.
Re: lets talk '16
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2016 4:15 pm
by Spaceman Spiff
midnightx wrote:
Merkin wrote:
Hurley sells him on being "the man" in the offense or at least a starter next year, Miller sells him on adding front court depth for a national title contender. If the kid thinks he has a shot at the NBA, he chooses the former.
Eh, being a role player on a really good team will get you exposure equal to being a key player on a sub .500 team. All you need to know about that is playing where in the world is Jahii Carson. He was more a featured guy than TJ, and...
Re: lets talk '16
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2016 4:38 pm
by MountainCat
Spaceman Spiff wrote:
midnightx wrote:
Merkin wrote:
Hurley sells him on being "the man" in the offense or at least a starter next year, Miller sells him on adding front court depth for a national title contender. If the kid thinks he has a shot at the NBA, he chooses the former.
Eh, being a role player on a really good team will get you exposure equal to being a key player on a sub .500 team. All you need to know about that is playing where in the world is Jahii Carson. He was more a featured guy than TJ, and...
Yeah, but what if he wants to be "the next Christian Laettner"?
Re: lets talk '16
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2016 5:00 pm
by Spaceman Spiff
MountainCat wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:
midnightx wrote:
Merkin wrote:
Hurley sells him on being "the man" in the offense or at least a starter next year, Miller sells him on adding front court depth for a national title contender. If the kid thinks he has a shot at the NBA, he chooses the former.
Eh, being a role player on a really good team will get you exposure equal to being a key player on a sub .500 team. All you need to know about that is playing where in the world is Jahii Carson. He was more a featured guy than TJ, and...
Yeah, but what if he wants to be "the next Christian Laettner"?
At ASU? Then he'd better hope a last second J to beat KY and go to the Final Four is comparable to hitting a last second J to only lose by five to Oregon State, cover the spread, and lock the Devils into the 10 seed in the Pac tourney.
Re: lets talk '16
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2016 7:44 pm
by luteformayor2
97cats wrote:Arizona is now two and three yrs ahead of the curve in terms of recruiting -- Coach Miller has developed the flexibility to be super selective in who he takes; below for '16 is no different.
TJ Leaf -- verbal commit
top prospects
Derryck Thornton Jr
Josh Jackson
M.J. Cage
thats top 5 class again -- and most likely there would be one more addition.
win win win
With Derryck Thornton now "cutting his list to 4" and starting to visit schools as if he was coming out of high school for the 1st time, this thread has gone full circle.
Re: lets talk '16
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2016 10:26 pm
by az91
luteformayor2 wrote:
97cats wrote:Arizona is now two and three yrs ahead of the curve in terms of recruiting -- Coach Miller has developed the flexibility to be super selective in who he takes; below for '16 is no different.
TJ Leaf -- verbal commit
top prospects
Derryck Thornton Jr
Josh Jackson
M.J. Cage
thats top 5 class again -- and most likely there would be one more addition.
win win win
With Derryck Thornton now "cutting his list to 4" and starting to visit schools as if he was coming out of high school for the 1st time, this thread has gone full circle.
We didn't make the cut .
Re: lets talk '16
Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2016 5:12 am
by ChooChooCat
luteformayor2 wrote:
97cats wrote:Arizona is now two and three yrs ahead of the curve in terms of recruiting -- Coach Miller has developed the flexibility to be super selective in who he takes; below for '16 is no different.
TJ Leaf -- verbal commit
top prospects
Derryck Thornton Jr
Josh Jackson
M.J. Cage
thats top 5 class again -- and most likely there would be one more addition.
win win win
With Derryck Thornton now "cutting his list to 4" and starting to visit schools as if he was coming out of high school for the 1st time, this thread has gone full circle.
Haha wow, this 97 post just illustrates how fluid recruiting really is. Arizona ended up with 4 guys that nobody was talking about in regards to Arizona recruiting a year prior. Gotta love it.
Re: lets talk '16
Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2016 11:20 pm
by Harvey Specter
az91 wrote:
luteformayor2 wrote:
97cats wrote:Arizona is now two and three yrs ahead of the curve in terms of recruiting -- Coach Miller has developed the flexibility to be super selective in who he takes; below for '16 is no different.
TJ Leaf -- verbal commit
top prospects
Derryck Thornton Jr
Josh Jackson
M.J. Cage
thats top 5 class again -- and most likely there would be one more addition.
win win win
With Derryck Thornton now "cutting his list to 4" and starting to visit schools as if he was coming out of high school for the 1st time, this thread has gone full circle.
We didn't make the cut .
That would be an ohfer... Looks like last minute efforts outweigh being 2-3 years ahead of the curve.
Wasn't Hazzard a preferred walkon? So that's probably what it means.
Re: lets talk '16
Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2016 5:07 pm
by UAEebs86
Preferred walk-ons don't have to try out, they are on the team automatically. All other walk-ons have to go through tryouts with other potential walkons. Usually applies more to football.
Re: lets talk '16
Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2016 5:46 pm
by Merkin
I imagine they get a scholie too if one opens up, but only for that year.
Strengths:
Desjardins has a nice lean frame with long arms and he is a solid athlete as well. He is a prolific jump shooter that has great range on his shot and his release is impeccable. He is more effective shooting off the catch, but he can also nail mid-range jump
Now official:
Re: lets talk '16
Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2016 6:06 pm
by Beachcat97
Wait, so we added two players today? Both end of bench guys?
Re: lets talk '16
Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2016 6:08 pm
by HiCat
Great opportunity for both kids. Good times a coming.
Re: lets talk '16
Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2016 6:17 pm
by Irish27
Irish27 wrote:
You all knew this was going to happen a week ago. Why pay monthly fees when many of us know what will happen without paying.
Re: lets talk '16
Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2016 6:22 pm
by az91
Beachcat97 wrote:Wait, so we added two players today? Both end of bench guys?
Practice bodies?
Re: lets talk '16
Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2016 7:24 pm
by Merkin
az91 wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:Wait, so we added two players today? Both end of bench guys?
Practice bodies?
With experience too, going to help the 5 star freshmen coming in.
These 2 guys get the best seats in the house and get to practice against some of the best players in the nation.
Re: lets talk '16
Posted: Wed May 04, 2016 9:37 am
by Merkin
Olsondogg wrote:Everyone is running away from Vegas. Ben Carter? How many times can that dude transfer...and is he gonna end his career as a Wildcat?
Re: lets talk '16
Posted: Wed May 04, 2016 11:53 am
by ChooChooCat
Well looks like we will play against Ben Carter for every year of his college career and he will have gone to 3 different schools in 3 different conferences. That's pretty damn impressive.
Re: lets talk '16
Posted: Wed May 04, 2016 1:18 pm
by az91
Merkin wrote:
Olsondogg wrote:Everyone is running away from Vegas. Ben Carter? How many times can that dude transfer...and is he gonna end his career as a Wildcat?
Just waiting on Keanu Pinder. If Arizona lands him then it'll filled all holes/depth it needs/wants for next year.
Re: lets talk '16
Posted: Sat May 14, 2016 7:51 pm
by UAEebs86
Re: lets talk '16
Posted: Sat May 14, 2016 8:25 pm
by Chicat
I think the book was closed when he stepped away from the team. Adios Elliott.
Re: lets talk '16
Posted: Sat May 14, 2016 8:25 pm
by cpt
Pinder to Arizona
Re: lets talk '16
Posted: Sun May 15, 2016 12:06 am
by az91
Chicat wrote:I think the book was closed when he stepped away from the team. Adios Elliott.
This is a good thing. He will no longer be a distraction to the team. It closes the book on what was a bizarre and disappointing tenure at U of A.
Re: lets talk '16
Posted: Sun May 15, 2016 5:40 am
by luteformayor2
az91 wrote:
Chicat wrote:I think the book was closed when he stepped away from the team. Adios Elliott.
This is a good thing. He will no longer be a distraction to the team. It closes the book on what was a bizarre and disappointing tenure at U of A.
How long until the rumors come to light?
Re: lets talk '16
Posted: Sun May 15, 2016 6:40 am
by ChooChooCat
luteformayor2 wrote:
az91 wrote:
Chicat wrote:I think the book was closed when he stepped away from the team. Adios Elliott.
This is a good thing. He will no longer be a distraction to the team. It closes the book on what was a bizarre and disappointing tenure at U of A.
How long until the rumors come to light?
I seriously doubt an official word will ever be put out. In the end the university and basketball program did the right thing and both parties have obviously moved on for the better.
Arizona has certainly filled all its holes with this class and will be utilizing all 13 scholarships for the first time since....forever? I'm glad we filled the PF depth with a JUCO guy who can be in the program for 2-3 years as opposed to a grad transfer for this specific team.
Re: lets talk '16
Posted: Sun May 15, 2016 9:43 am
by Newportcat
The Pitts story is weird, wacky, and will be interesting to see if it ever comes out.
I like the Keanu pick up as we needed another athletic big man who can play defense
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