Bear Down Vegas wrote:Cal is def not a great basketball option - but the best school option. Like it or not, UNR is a legit basketball option now. As good as UofA? We're all biased and probably not, but Reno & Musselman are far from a bad option these days. Hard not to get optimistic about this though from our perspective.
If there's a big question about Nevada, it's how long Musselman is at Nevada. He's a legit rising star in the coaching world, and it would not shock anyone to see him get looks at major programs immediately.
Well that and do the twins come back or just go pro? If they come back then with brown they are a legit final four contender. If they don't then they're not worth shit quite frankly.
Are the twins a package to stay/go? What are their prospects? How long could that realistically go?
You almost never see twins not make the same exact decision. I've seen Caleb slotted in the early 2nd round and Cody in the latter end of the 2nd round. I think they're both at the point where they can't raise their draft stock with another year, so it'll be interesting to see what they do.
Is the 1AD rule change effecting any of these fringe 1st/2nd's'? Better go while there is less competition for spots?
Re: let's talk '18
Posted: Mon May 07, 2018 12:56 pm
by ChooChooCat
Well all the heavy hitters (Gershon and Daniels) have started to pick Nevada for Jordan Brown in the crystal ball and they don't typically do that unless they know it's a done deal. Time to move on.
Re: let's talk '18
Posted: Mon May 07, 2018 1:11 pm
by Spaceman Spiff
ChooChooCat wrote:Well all the heavy hitters (Gershon and Daniels) have started to pick Nevada for Jordan Brown in the crystal ball and they don't typically do that unless they know it's a done deal. Time to move on.
I'm ok either way. Still on cloud 9 from BWill. I thought he was our must get this year and we did it. Now just need to get back in the groove with future classes.
Re: let's talk '18
Posted: Mon May 07, 2018 1:29 pm
by ChooChooCat
Spaceman Spiff wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:Well all the heavy hitters (Gershon and Daniels) have started to pick Nevada for Jordan Brown in the crystal ball and they don't typically do that unless they know it's a done deal. Time to move on.
I'm ok either way. Still on cloud 9 from BWill. I thought he was our must get this year and we did it. Now just need to get back in the groove with future classes.
Yeah just dont know what our answer to the question: Who is our backup 5 this year?
Re: let's talk '18
Posted: Mon May 07, 2018 1:38 pm
by Beachcat97
ChooChooCat wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:Well all the heavy hitters (Gershon and Daniels) have started to pick Nevada for Jordan Brown in the crystal ball and they don't typically do that unless they know it's a done deal. Time to move on.
I'm ok either way. Still on cloud 9 from BWill. I thought he was our must get this year and we did it. Now just need to get back in the groove with future classes.
Yeah just dont know what our answer to the question: Who is our backup 5 this year?
Yep. We're an injury away from having an unbelievably small team.
Re: let's talk '18
Posted: Mon May 07, 2018 1:39 pm
by azgreg
Our backup 5 is two 4's.
Re: let's talk '18
Posted: Mon May 07, 2018 1:48 pm
by SunnyAZ
azgreg wrote:Our backup 5 is two 4's.
yes, that is called basketball in 2018. Nova starts a PF at center and only get smaller after that. GS Warriors run Draymond at center in winning time. The Cavs start Love at center. The Celtics play most of the game with Horford at center. etc. etc.
This is an advantage. Yes, let's prosper with modern basketball.
Re: let's talk '18
Posted: Mon May 07, 2018 2:00 pm
by goslingswagg
SunnyAZ wrote:
azgreg wrote:Our backup 5 is two 4's.
yes, that is called basketball in 2018. Nova starts a PF at center and only get smaller after that. GS Warriors run Draymond at center in winning time. The Cavs start Love at center. The Celtics play most of the game with Horford at center. etc. etc.
This is an advantage. Yes, let's prosper with modern basketball.
Couldn't agree more. I truly believe Ira Lee is primarily a modern 5 in college basketball, and I think Luther can play there some as well. Akot should be playing a ton at the 4. As much as I would love a commitment from another 5 star talent, I think it is exciting to imagine finally playing a more modern style here...we should be embracing that.
Re: let's talk '18
Posted: Mon May 07, 2018 2:08 pm
by YoDeFoe
I kinda dig Ira Lee as a small ball five. He showed some really promising moves last year, moved the ball well, good bounce to the basket. Plays a lot bigger than 6’7” down there.
Re: let's talk '18
Posted: Mon May 07, 2018 2:32 pm
by Spaceman Spiff
ChooChooCat wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:Well all the heavy hitters (Gershon and Daniels) have started to pick Nevada for Jordan Brown in the crystal ball and they don't typically do that unless they know it's a done deal. Time to move on.
I'm ok either way. Still on cloud 9 from BWill. I thought he was our must get this year and we did it. Now just need to get back in the groove with future classes.
Yeah just dont know what our answer to the question: Who is our backup 5 this year?
Ira Lee/Luther with Akot and maybe Thielmans as a small 4 to chew up extra post minutes if needed.
Re: let's talk '18
Posted: Mon May 07, 2018 2:46 pm
by goslingswagg
Spaceman Spiff wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:Well all the heavy hitters (Gershon and Daniels) have started to pick Nevada for Jordan Brown in the crystal ball and they don't typically do that unless they know it's a done deal. Time to move on.
I'm ok either way. Still on cloud 9 from BWill. I thought he was our must get this year and we did it. Now just need to get back in the groove with future classes.
Yeah just dont know what our answer to the question: Who is our backup 5 this year?
Ira Lee/Luther with Akot and maybe Thielmans as a small 4 to chew up extra post minutes if needed.
I see Thielemans as the biggest wildcard of our team next year...for some reason I have more optimism than I should in him being ready to contribute year one, and in him having a big time future. I think he absolutely can play some small ball 4 just based on his highlights.
Re: let's talk '18
Posted: Mon May 07, 2018 2:46 pm
by ChooChooCat
Spaceman Spiff wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:Well all the heavy hitters (Gershon and Daniels) have started to pick Nevada for Jordan Brown in the crystal ball and they don't typically do that unless they know it's a done deal. Time to move on.
I'm ok either way. Still on cloud 9 from BWill. I thought he was our must get this year and we did it. Now just need to get back in the groove with future classes.
Yeah just dont know what our answer to the question: Who is our backup 5 this year?
Ira Lee/Luther with Akot and maybe Thielmans as a small 4 to chew up extra post minutes if needed.
Yeah I get it and I'm totally with you guys. Akot at the 4 in general is something I love.
I just know Sean Miller though and homie don't play that.
Re: let's talk '18
Posted: Mon May 07, 2018 2:56 pm
by Spaceman Spiff
ChooChooCat wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:Well all the heavy hitters (Gershon and Daniels) have started to pick Nevada for Jordan Brown in the crystal ball and they don't typically do that unless they know it's a done deal. Time to move on.
I'm ok either way. Still on cloud 9 from BWill. I thought he was our must get this year and we did it. Now just need to get back in the groove with future classes.
Yeah just dont know what our answer to the question: Who is our backup 5 this year?
Ira Lee/Luther with Akot and maybe Thielmans as a small 4 to chew up extra post minutes if needed.
Yeah I get it and I'm totally with you guys. Akot at the 4 in general is something I love.
I just know Sean Miller though and homie don't play that.
I agree in the sense it's pretty unlikely/impossible to be Plan A. Injury, foul trouble, etc, we have 3 guys in the post unless Brown commits, so sooner or later, we might need to get to Plans B and C.
Re: let's talk '18
Posted: Mon May 07, 2018 3:05 pm
by goslingswagg
ChooChooCat wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:Well all the heavy hitters (Gershon and Daniels) have started to pick Nevada for Jordan Brown in the crystal ball and they don't typically do that unless they know it's a done deal. Time to move on.
I'm ok either way. Still on cloud 9 from BWill. I thought he was our must get this year and we did it. Now just need to get back in the groove with future classes.
Yeah just dont know what our answer to the question: Who is our backup 5 this year?
Ira Lee/Luther with Akot and maybe Thielmans as a small 4 to chew up extra post minutes if needed.
Yeah I get it and I'm totally with you guys. Akot at the 4 in general is something I love.
I just know Sean Miller though and homie don't play that.
Very true. That's why the only hope is to just not have the personnel to play big...hence why I'm a bit torn on wanting Jordan Brown. I just hope we don't add an inferior big man and play him decent minutes next year just because of Miller's proclivity for playing big...that's my nightmare scenario.
Re: let's talk '18
Posted: Mon May 07, 2018 3:09 pm
by TatetheGreat
Playing small only works if you have elite shooters. Rebounding will become an issue if we go cold. Look what happened to ASU last year.
Re: let's talk '18
Posted: Mon May 07, 2018 3:14 pm
by Beachcat97
TatetheGreat wrote:Playing small only works if you have elite shooters. Rebounding will become an issue if we go cold. Look what happened to ASU last year.
I'm not sure it's realistic to say that any of our returning/incoming guys is an "elite shooter." Smith, BW, Randolph...they can all shoot. Not sure about Coleman or Doutrive. But I don't think we have anyone who can heat up the way those ASU guys could last year.
Re: let's talk '18
Posted: Mon May 07, 2018 3:15 pm
by zonagrad
ChooChooCat wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:Well all the heavy hitters (Gershon and Daniels) have started to pick Nevada for Jordan Brown in the crystal ball and they don't typically do that unless they know it's a done deal. Time to move on.
I'm ok either way. Still on cloud 9 from BWill. I thought he was our must get this year and we did it. Now just need to get back in the groove with future classes.
Yeah just dont know what our answer to the question: Who is our backup 5 this year?
Ira Lee/Luther with Akot and maybe Thielmans as a small 4 to chew up extra post minutes if needed.
Yeah I get it and I'm totally with you guys. Akot at the 4 in general is something I love.
I just know Sean Miller though and homie don't play that.
That's not entirely true. Miller threw Solomon Hill at the 4 and went small. It's a double edged sword with big men. Everyone wants size and rebounding advantages, which Arizona always seems to have and properly exploits. But in tournament match ups, our size gets neutralized by speed. Hence, I'm not a fan at all of immobile guys like Tarc & Ristic. Now, that may change if you have exceptional guards who can create. I guess the main thing is you need versatility. And we haven't had that.
Re: let's talk '18
Posted: Mon May 07, 2018 3:32 pm
by midnightx
Beachcat97 wrote:
TatetheGreat wrote:Playing small only works if you have elite shooters. Rebounding will become an issue if we go cold. Look what happened to ASU last year.
I'm not sure it's realistic to say that any of our returning/incoming guys is an "elite shooter." Smith, BW, Randolph...they can all shoot. Not sure about Coleman or Doutrive. But I don't think we have anyone who can heat up the way those ASU guys could last year.
Great shooting is not easy to come by. And as far as the ASU guards are concerned, they lived and died by shooting that ultimately became unreliable and facilitated finish near the bottom of a second-rate Pac 12. A team needs other parts to fill in when the shooting cools off. That is when a top-tier point guard can make a huge difference - moving the ball and establishing an offense.
Re: let's talk '18
Posted: Mon May 07, 2018 3:41 pm
by ChooChooCat
In theory Williams, Coleman, Randolph, Smith, Akot, and Luther are all capable 3 point shooters. We won't live and die by the 3 though.
Re: let's talk '18
Posted: Mon May 07, 2018 3:48 pm
by Spaceman Spiff
ChooChooCat wrote:In theory Williams, Coleman, Randolph, Smith, Akot, and Luther are all capable 3 point shooters. We won't live and die by the 3 though.
Hopefully we live and die on offense more by penetration than by the 3. We have some guys who can get to the rim and 3's are always better off the kick.
Hopefully our real bread and butter is D. If we are actually good next year, it is almost 100% linked to D, IMO.
Re: let's talk '18
Posted: Mon May 07, 2018 3:54 pm
by SunnyAZ
TatetheGreat wrote:Playing small only works if you have elite shooters. Rebounding will become an issue if we go cold. Look what happened to ASU last year.
Well they did have elite shooting. Their problem was they played a bunch of midgets and were terrible defensively. Teams give up a little rebounding to have better players on the court. It can even be an advantage on defense (us last year as an example of being big being a disadvantage) because you are faster and can switch actions stalling the other teams movement/passing.
Almost every NBA team plays small for parts of the game because you are generally playing against good players and bigs get exposed against good players (with the exception of super mobile bigs). In college it isn't at important because you aren't playing against players that can consistently take advantage with their skillset and decision making.
Re: let's talk '18
Posted: Mon May 07, 2018 4:17 pm
by Spaceman Spiff
SunnyAZ wrote:
TatetheGreat wrote:Playing small only works if you have elite shooters. Rebounding will become an issue if we go cold. Look what happened to ASU last year.
Well they did have elite shooting. Their problem was they played a bunch of midgets and were terrible defensively. Teams give up a little rebounding to have better players on the court. It can even be an advantage on defense (us last year as an example of being big being a disadvantage) because you are faster and can switch actions stalling the other teams movement/passing.
Almost every NBA team plays small for parts of the game because you are generally playing against good players and bigs get exposed against good players (with the exception of super mobile bigs). In college it isn't at important because you aren't playing against players that can consistently take advantage with their skillset and decision making.
The big thing is that postups are relatively inefficient compared to the focus on layups and 3's teams like the Warriors and Rockets use. I'll link a reddit discussion on how many NBA players are poor in the post, with about 0.9 ppp being the mean. Then another article spotlighting how far below postups fall.
I'd imagine that post-ups are especially inefficient in the college game due to the nature of the defensive rules, which allow zone defenses and specifically have no defensive three second rule to keep a team from packing the paint.
Re: let's talk '18
Posted: Mon May 07, 2018 6:24 pm
by YoDeFoe
BWill highlights from the Ball is Life game this past weekend.
Re: let's talk '18
Posted: Mon May 07, 2018 7:40 pm
by CatHoops
Jordan Brown visiting this weekend!!
Re: let's talk '18
Posted: Mon May 07, 2018 7:50 pm
by YoDeFoe
STFU
Re: let's talk '18
Posted: Mon May 07, 2018 8:02 pm
by Beachcat97
CatHoops wrote:Jordan Brown visiting this weekend!!
Wait, seriously??
Re: let's talk '18
Posted: Mon May 07, 2018 8:11 pm
by 3goggles
CatHoops wrote:Jordan Brown visiting this weekend!!
Proof? tweet?
Re: let's talk '18
Posted: Mon May 07, 2018 8:13 pm
by ChooChooCat
Tits or gtfo....errr I mean link or gtfo!
Re: let's talk '18
Posted: Mon May 07, 2018 8:16 pm
by 3goggles
ChooChooCat wrote:Tits or gtfo....errr I mean link or gtfo!
Damn auto correct!!!
Re: let's talk '18
Posted: Mon May 07, 2018 8:17 pm
by Spaceman Spiff
ChooChooCat wrote:Tits or gtfo....errr I mean link or gtfo!
Re: let's talk '18
Posted: Mon May 07, 2018 8:19 pm
by Beachcat97
I can't find anything on JB visiting.
Re: let's talk '18
Posted: Mon May 07, 2018 8:19 pm
by TucsonClip
SunnyAZ wrote:
azgreg wrote:Our backup 5 is two 4's.
yes, that is called basketball in 2018. Nova starts a PF at center and only get smaller after that. GS Warriors run Draymond at center in winning time. The Cavs start Love at center. The Celtics play most of the game with Horford at center. etc. etc.
This is an advantage. Yes, let's prosper with modern basketball.
The system has to match the personnel... I've been asking for the adjustment for years, and I'll believe it when I see it.
Re: let's talk '18
Posted: Mon May 07, 2018 8:49 pm
by TatetheGreat
They've been money so far
Just got word that Jordan Brown will be taking his final official visit to Arizona this weekend! He is also tentatively planning to announce his school on 5/15/18
Just got word that Jordan Brown will be taking his final official visit to Arizona this weekend! He is also tentatively planning to announce his school on 5/15/18
Just got word that Jordan Brown will be taking his final official visit to Arizona this weekend! He is also tentatively planning to announce his school on 5/15/18
Just got word that Jordan Brown will be taking his final official visit to Arizona this weekend! He is also tentatively planning to announce his school on 5/15/18
