Bear Down Wildcats

NYCat wrote:

Spaceman Spiff wrote:

ChooChooCat wrote:

CatHoops wrote:Even if they get Andy Miller's records they'll still have to prove the kids knew about it and it wasn't the parents getting it. Not to mention he's been an agent along time so no telling how far back it goes. I think ncaa makes some rule changes before next year and most of this is handled with minor penalties over the next few years. NCAA will say all the right things but will be kinda swept away

https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-spread ... 18078.html" target="_blank

I've always felt ok if it focused on ASM. Arizona had no ex-players in their client list, so if they were dropping money on our guys, you'd assume it was (at the least) significantly less than othe schools.

Lists Zeus as a client here

https://basketball.realgm.com/info/agen ... -Miller/14" target="_blank

Also here, idk if he's still a client

NYCat wrote:

Spaceman Spiff wrote:

ChooChooCat wrote:

CatHoops wrote:Even if they get Andy Miller's records they'll still have to prove the kids knew about it and it wasn't the parents getting it. Not to mention he's been an agent along time so no telling how far back it goes. I think ncaa makes some rule changes before next year and most of this is handled with minor penalties over the next few years. NCAA will say all the right things but will be kinda swept away

https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-spread ... 18078.html" target="_blank

I've always felt ok if it focused on ASM. Arizona had no ex-players in their client list, so if they were dropping money on our guys, you'd assume it was (at the least) significantly less than othe schools.

Lists Zeus as a client here

https://basketball.realgm.com/info/agen ... -Miller/14" target="_blank

Also here, idk if he's still a client

ChooChooCat wrote:

This is accurate, if Miller seriously created a fricken spreadsheet about how much he was illegally paying players then he's the biggest idiot in history.

Longhorned wrote:If true, this would implicate every decent high major and mid major program in America. That's exactly what you want if you're a fan of Arizona, Louisville, Auburn, or USC. It lays a system-wide reality on the doorstep of the NCAA, making it hard to punish a scapegoat.

azcat49 wrote:Hansen's article today was so depressing comparing us to the Miller era OSU Beavers

NYCat wrote:

Spaceman Spiff wrote:

ChooChooCat wrote:

CatHoops wrote:Even if they get Andy Miller's records they'll still have to prove the kids knew about it and it wasn't the parents getting it. Not to mention he's been an agent along time so no telling how far back it goes. I think ncaa makes some rule changes before next year and most of this is handled with minor penalties over the next few years. NCAA will say all the right things but will be kinda swept away

https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-spread ... 18078.html" target="_blank

I've always felt ok if it focused on ASM. Arizona had no ex-players in their client list, so if they were dropping money on our guys, you'd assume it was (at the least) significantly less than othe schools.

Lists Zeus as a client here

https://basketball.realgm.com/info/agen ... -Miller/14" target="_blank

Also here, idk if he's still a client

Spaceman Spiff wrote:

azcat49 wrote:Hansen's article today was so depressing comparing us to the Miller era OSU Beavers

Hansen is getting really old with every article clamoring for drama and scandal and constantly injecting the possibility of firing, sanctioning, etc.

Just have a rotating column asking if we'll get sanctioned and Sean Miller will be regarded like (worst coach in opponent this week's) history. Rehash some FBI talking points, play Mad Libs with only negative words, and you basically have his columns.

He seems like a turd.

Spaceman Spiff wrote:That realgm list has to be old. It has Lorenzen Wright as a client and he died in 2010.

NYCat wrote:Even if he's not a Miller client currently, he signed with ASM & Miller immediately after college and that's makes me nervous tbh. Could've been a relationship/payment/etc beforehand. Hopefully Zeus is not in a stupid spreadsheet.

NYCat wrote:

Spaceman Spiff wrote:That realgm list has to be old. It has Lorenzen Wright as a client and he died in 2010.

NYCat wrote:Even if he's not a Miller client currently, he signed with ASM & Miller immediately after college and that's makes me nervous tbh. Could've been a relationship/payment/etc beforehand. Hopefully Zeus is not in a stupid spreadsheet.

Here's the press release when Zeus & others got signed

http://www.asmsports.com/welcome-to-the ... ss-of-2016" target="_blank

To me even if he's not an current client isn't even important, but he was coming out of college which is a bigger deal. Zeus could've been involved with Miller.

EVCat wrote:This sounds so much like a leak/non-specific specifics to try to get someone to talk.

Some of the stuff is just fantasy level...

"If your school produced a first-round pick in the past three years, be worried." Really. ASM has paid every frickin' 1st round pick and gotten who? That's such bullshit.

"Nearly 5 months have passed..." with that kind of information? About activity that is not a crime at the player level, only at the coach/bag man level? They are shaking it down with player payments, but players aren't breaking a law, and the FBI is supposedly sitting on this EXPLOSIVE, ALL ENCOMPASSING DATA to arrest 50 coaches? For knowing their players were paid? For steering players like Book?

This reads like a hard boiled detective series...

Spaceman Spiff wrote:

EVCat wrote:This sounds so much like a leak/non-specific specifics to try to get someone to talk.

Some of the stuff is just fantasy level...

"If your school produced a first-round pick in the past three years, be worried." Really. ASM has paid every frickin' 1st round pick and gotten who? That's such bullshit.

"Nearly 5 months have passed..." with that kind of information? About activity that is not a crime at the player level, only at the coach/bag man level? They are shaking it down with player payments, but players aren't breaking a law, and the FBI is supposedly sitting on this EXPLOSIVE, ALL ENCOMPASSING DATA to arrest 50 coaches? For knowing their players were paid? For steering players like Book?

This reads like a hard boiled detective series...

Look, it's not just ASM. Agents have no reason not to pay players. Agents don't have to maintain NCAA eligibility. It strains credulity that Andy Miller pays but other agents are pure as the driven snow.

It's a legit statement, IMO, that all first rounders have received some sort of benefit. That's more an indictment of the NCAA than anything. Sadly, the NCAA will probably double down on the hypocrisy of the current system.

Spaceman Spiff wrote:

azcat49 wrote:Hansen's article today was so depressing comparing us to the Miller era OSU Beavers

Hansen is getting really old with every article clamoring for drama and scandal and constantly injecting the possibility of firing, sanctioning, etc.

Just have a rotating column asking if we'll get sanctioned and Sean Miller will be regarded like (worst coach in opponent this week's) history. Rehash some FBI talking points, play Mad Libs with only negative words, and you basically have his columns.

He seems like a turd.

jsbowl16 wrote:This must be important. They are talking about it on ESPN. I hope we get to hear from Bilas and JWill this morning about how clean Duke is.

Newportcat wrote:

Spaceman Spiff wrote:

azcat49 wrote:Hansen's article today was so depressing comparing us to the Miller era OSU Beavers

Hansen is getting really old with every article clamoring for drama and scandal and constantly injecting the possibility of firing, sanctioning, etc.

Just have a rotating column asking if we'll get sanctioned and Sean Miller will be regarded like (worst coach in opponent this week's) history. Rehash some FBI talking points, play Mad Libs with only negative words, and you basically have his columns.

He seems like a turd.

So does Hansen write an article now saying every college basketball program is going to be the OSU Beavers?

He just writes things to get attention

Sean Olson wrote:So if Trier has to sit for throwing a couple grains of sand in a swimming pool what happens to the current players mentioned in this article? They should have to sit immediately right?

Chicat wrote:

No mention of Arizona except for background on Book’s arrest. Lot of our rivals mentioned though...

Longhorned wrote:Nova is documented with that record about its coaches.

NYCat wrote:Quinerly to NC State

Spaceman Spiff wrote:

97cats wrote:every top 50 program for the last 25 years has paid for the vast majority of their top players.

the top, top programs pay for a much higher percentage due to the fact that they get a higher percentage of top players -- its been a know practice and somewhat accepted for as long as i can remember, and yes, Arizona is right there with the best of them.

the programs with the pedigree, resources, and willingness to "do what it takes" have had the clear advantage in landing the top stars.

where this falls on Adidas is that they have long been cornered with direct benefits to the teams they sponsor, whereas other programs like Arizona have had a deft process and tight secrecy.

Book exposed Arizona thru a channel it has never used, Adidas, for his own personal greed and gain -- not to mention 5k...and therein lies where all Arizona fans should be infuriated, fucking Book Richardson did this for 5k, 5 fucking k, and did so by going outside of the model that was so effective and un-penetrable up to this point.

so, its not about if the teams cheat, its how they cheat, and Arizona did it as good or better than anyone.

and one last thing, how do you guys think i know all the inside information i know? is it because you think i talk to Sean Miller everyday? or that Greg Byrne and Jim Livengood used to call me and tell me that Stanley Johnson was going to commit, or Aaron Gordon was coming to Arizona or that Chase Budinger was going to stay for his Jr year or that Sean Miller met with our main booster in Santa Fe or that John Calipari convinced Miller to come to AZ?

no, its because the web of involvement of people not directly affiliated with the program are intertwined in the mix, they are the ones who pull the strings and cover the man holes, and its like that at every school that handles their business effectively at this level.

its the darkest kept secret of of a 1000 or so people around the country at various universities who are not employees or staff members who are vital to the culture of college basketball today, and that culture is a culture of greed and billions and billions of dollars on the line.... from CBS and FOX to ESPN and Adidas and NIKE and Under Armor and Foot Locker and McDonalds and on and on and on.....

This is why I can't buy Longhorned's argument about restoring the game. Wooden's dynasty was built on payment in the 60's and 70's.

For what it's worth, I've posted about walking on to a D1 program. This was very much my experience in HS in the 90's and college in the early 2000's. Relationships are everything, and the relationships are inherently dirty. The entire process is basically speculative investment in 15-18 year olds.

Everyone is using the system for something, and it's been like that constantly.