Re: The 2019-2020 Season Thread
Posted: Sat Feb 29, 2020 2:23 pm
What’s the word on Hazzard??
Not the best source but it's all I can find at the momentPostmaster wrote:What’s the word on Hazzard??
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Not the best source but it's all I can find at the momentPostmaster wrote:What’s the word on Hazzard??
"personal reasons" is Latin for "I'm not really feeling this coach or this team, so yeah, I'm done"PieceOfMeat wrote:"personal reasons" eh.
also ucla thread is up
Why would Max even travel with the team then? If he was done, wouldn’t he just walk away?Beachcat97 wrote:"personal reasons" is Latin for "I'm not really feeling this coach or this team, so yeah, I'm done"PieceOfMeat wrote:"personal reasons" eh.
also ucla thread is up
And yet somehow was persuaded to come to AZ for his final college season when he had other offers. Weird.Bordercat wrote:
But Max hates Miller.
Postmaster wrote:You would think Jacob would have provided an in-depth review of Miller.
Anyway, my speculation is that max and CSM had a blow up right before the Failin’ in Galen.
I don’t think we could fall out. Maybe an 11 or 12 seed thoughASUHATER! wrote:lose one of the games next weekend and we could be facing potentially missing the tournament
lose to UW and lose in the first round of the conference tournament and we're 20-12. If we get in it would be as one of the last 4 in at that point. As is, right now our ceiling is like a 6 seed currently, and thats if we win out and win the pac 12 tournament.IndianaZonaFan wrote:I don’t think we could fall out. Maybe an 11 or 12 seed thoughASUHATER! wrote:lose one of the games next weekend and we could be facing potentially missing the tournament
Doesn’t seem to have the conditioning necessary at this level.97cats wrote:i have to believe Arizona sweeps out at home and shows well enough in Vegas.
Mannion has not been the player at the end of games.
being young is an underrated and impatient topic for many these days, he needs experience and an off season to mature.
the fitness is different at this level, the speed too.
He doesn’t want the ball in his hands late. Passes aren’t crisp, tentative decision making and unwillingness to look for shooters. Also, Max dribbling off his foot is just fucking perfect, cannot execute a simple dribble when they need a basket.97cats wrote:i have to believe Arizona sweeps out at home and shows well enough in Vegas.
Mannion has not been the player at the end of games.
being young is an underrated and impatient topic for many these days, he needs experience and an off season to mature.
the fitness is different at this level, the speed too.
No.ASUHATER! wrote:lose one of the games next weekend and we could be facing potentially missing the tournament
I doubt they’d announce that unless it was really bad.Beachcat97 wrote:So is Josh done for the season? This strikes me as an important question.
Too bad we’ll never see it. Again. It’s like a broken record.97cats wrote:being young is an underrated and impatient topic for many these days, he needs experience and an off season to mature.
the fitness is different at this level, the speed too.
ChooChooCat wrote:No.ASUHATER! wrote:lose one of the games next weekend and we could be facing potentially missing the tournament
Don't worry, there's always next year.zonagrad wrote:Three freshmen have done the heavy lifting all season. And like it or not, they haven’t answered the bell in the most critical moments of big games.
My biggest fear last off-season was that Dylan Smith would be playing significant minutes. And here we are and he continues to amaze me with ill-advised shots and critical turnovers. And that is 100% on Sean Miller. And frankly, I’m not convinced there’s a better option. Baker was garbage again tonight and Hazzard choked on a critical possession. Miller has hitched the program to some really bad players. And the young stars aren’t quite great enough or experienced enough to make up the difference.
Thankfully, we’ll be done with Dylan Smith. Nothing personal with him as he’s conducted himself well and represented the program. But his on court abilities will not be missed. I can’t remember another player who has lacked the talent to perform yet has played so many minutes in the history of the program.ChooChooCat wrote:Don't worry, there's always next year.zonagrad wrote:Three freshmen have done the heavy lifting all season. And like it or not, they haven’t answered the bell in the most critical moments of big games.
My biggest fear last off-season was that Dylan Smith would be playing significant minutes. And here we are and he continues to amaze me with ill-advised shots and critical turnovers. And that is 100% on Sean Miller. And frankly, I’m not convinced there’s a better option. Baker was garbage again tonight and Hazzard choked on a critical possession. Miller has hitched the program to some really bad players. And the young stars aren’t quite great enough or experienced enough to make up the difference.
Neither are remotely mature enough for the NBA. They should watch RJ Barrett and think twice about going early.Beachcat97 wrote:Anyone else catch RJ not-so-subtly arguing that Nico and Josh are nuts to go pro after a year of college? He said Baron Davis was way better than Nico and played two years at UCLA. Iggy was way better than Josh and also played two years. Baron and Iggy had (or for Iggy, “have had”) long, productive careers, and were drafted highly.
RJ is making 16 mil over 2 years. Ready or not you take that money.SabinoDrifter wrote:Neither are remotely mature enough for the NBA. They should watch RJ Barrett and think twice about going early.Beachcat97 wrote:Anyone else catch RJ not-so-subtly arguing that Nico and Josh are nuts to go pro after a year of college? He said Baron Davis was way better than Nico and played two years at UCLA. Iggy was way better than Josh and also played two years. Baron and Iggy had (or for Iggy, “have had”) long, productive careers, and were drafted highly.
Dosia wrote:RJ is making 16 mil over 2 years. Ready or not you take that money.SabinoDrifter wrote:Neither are remotely mature enough for the NBA. They should watch RJ Barrett and think twice about going early.Beachcat97 wrote:Anyone else catch RJ not-so-subtly arguing that Nico and Josh are nuts to go pro after a year of college? He said Baron Davis was way better than Nico and played two years at UCLA. Iggy was way better than Josh and also played two years. Baron and Iggy had (or for Iggy, “have had”) long, productive careers, and were drafted highly.
I'll have to side with Dosia on this argument. As the Godfather said "Its not personal, its strictly business". These kids need to make the best business/financial decision.gronk4heisman wrote:Dosia wrote:RJ is making 16 mil over 2 years. Ready or not you take that money.SabinoDrifter wrote:Neither are remotely mature enough for the NBA. They should watch RJ Barrett and think twice about going early.Beachcat97 wrote:Anyone else catch RJ not-so-subtly arguing that Nico and Josh are nuts to go pro after a year of college? He said Baron Davis was way better than Nico and played two years at UCLA. Iggy was way better than Josh and also played two years. Baron and Iggy had (or for Iggy, “have had”) long, productive careers, and were drafted highly.
RJ went third, these guys are not going in the top 10. And as RJ made the case, its about longevity not that first contract. A better comp for these guys are someone like James Young and Jordan Adams, both left after one year made $5M on their rookie deal and are out of the league at 25. Want more examples?
2012 Freshman who didn't go in the lottery:
Mo Harkless (15), still around
Tony Wroten (25), Out of the league by 22
Marquise Teague (29) Out of the league by 20
Quincy Miller (38), out of league by 22
Also, many Sophomores who left early and flamed out
Meanwhile, upperclassman who went later in that Draft still hanging around:
Jae Crowder (34)
Draymond Green (35)
Mike Scott (43)
Darius Miller (46)
Kyle OQuinn (49) (has quietly made $18M)
2013 Freshman who didn't go in the lottery:
Shabazz Muhammad (14), out of the league by 25
Archie Goodwin (29), out of league by 22
Grant Jarret (40), out of league by 21 (made $1.7M LOL)
Ricky Ledo (43), out of league by 22 (made $900K)
Meanwhile, upperclassman who went later in that Draft still hanging around:
Mason Plumlee (22)
Solomon Hill (23)
TIm Hardaway Jr. (24)
Andre Roberson (26)
Allen Crabbe (31)
Seth Curry, Robert Covington, Troy Daniels, Ian Clark, Matthew Delladova, Dwayne Dedmond (undrafted)
2014 Freshman who didn't go in the lottery:
James Young (17), out of the league by 22
Tyler Ennis (18), out of the league by 23
Meanwhile, upperclassman who went later in that Draft still hanging around:
Joe Harris (33), Spencer Dinwiddie (38), Dwight Powell (45), Jordan Clarkson (46)
I will stop there since more recent drafts can still potentially be on their rookie contracts. But one thing to note, these lists are not cherry picking. They cover every freshman to leave early during this three year period who did not go in the lottery. Of the ten freshman listed 9 of the 10 are already out of the league. So, getting money quick is cool but maybe some guys should listen to RJ. He ended up going 13th and made $116M over his career. Hell, even Nick Johnson who barely played in the league ended up making more than that Grant Jarrett guy. Hell, even Solomon Hill ended up making more than the number 2 pick Derrick Williams.
Beachcat97 wrote:I’d be thrilled if any of our freshmen stayed another year. But this is AZ, and apparently, we can’t have nice things.
When will our luck turn around?
And that is it, in a nutshell. Dutrive was a starter, Williams didn't come back from his injury. Miller has to work with who he has. Hazzard has definitely not lived up to expectations, and neither has Baker.zonagrad wrote:Three freshmen have done the heavy lifting all season. And like it or not, they haven’t answered the bell in the most critical moments of big games.
My biggest fear last off-season was that Dylan Smith would be playing significant minutes. And here we are and he continues to amaze me with ill-advised shots and critical turnovers. And that is 100% on Sean Miller. And frankly, I’m not convinced there’s a better option. Baker was garbage again tonight and Hazzard choked on a critical possession. Miller has hitched the program to some really bad players. And the young stars aren’t quite great enough or experienced enough to make up the difference.
UAEebs86 wrote:Beachcat97 wrote:I’d be thrilled if any of our freshmen stayed another year. But this is AZ, and apparently, we can’t have nice things.
When will our luck turn around?
SEVUN!
One nickname, two different approaches to roster compilation, two contrasting styles of play, and two divergent NCAA tournament fates:
Watching Villanova blast through March Madness yet again, I couldn’t help but compare the Wildcats to those from Arizona.
Until a few years, let’s not forget, the programs had identical NCAA accomplishments:
One national title, one runner-up finish and four appearances in the Final Four.
Since then, their tournament performances have taken opposite paths.
Villanova just won its second championship in three years; Arizona has been bounced from the NCAAs by double-digit seeds in three consecutive tournaments.
(Two of those losses to double-digit seeds were by double-digit points, by the way.)
But based on the level of raw talent acquired and forwarded on (to the NBA) by the programs, you might expect the March results to be reversed:
* Arizona’s past five recruiting classes (2013-17) have an average ranking of No. 6 nationally (per 247sports).
* Villanova’s past five recruiting classes have an average ranking of No. 37.
* Arizona has signed 19 recruits of the 4- or 5-star classification (again per 247).
* Villanova has signed nine.
* In that same window, Arizona has produced six first-round draft picks (including Deandre Ayton).
* Villanova has produced two (including Mikal Bridges).
So what accounts for the disparity in the NCAAs?
Villanova’s success is, above all, a reflection of coach Jay Wright’s system — not just the offense but the entire system of recruiting, development and on-court structure.
Unlike Arizona’s Sean Miller, Wright doesn’t stock his roster with has many one-and-done, Lottery Pick-level talents as it can hold.
Instead, Wright recruits very good players — even a few elites, like Jalen Brunson — who fit ideally into his system and are likely to remain in school for several years.
The lack of dizzying roster turnover creates cohesion within the system. (That turnover helps account for the disparity in the number of recruits Villanova and Arizona sign each year.)
And let’s not discount the significance of the system itself, a free-flowing perimeter approach that creates mismatches and open shots and defines the postmodern game.
The NCAA tournament, contrary to popular opinion, is not about defense.
Yes, you must be reasonably stout to survive the opening weekend (Arizona was not reasonably stout this season).
But reaching the Final Four, and playing on the final Monday, is about fluid, efficient offense … about being versatile and difficult to defend … about ball movement and spacing.
It’s not about grinding — good luck grinding your way to six wins.
Too often over the years, Arizona has been easy to stop. Too often, it has gone long stretches without scoring, without running the offense through its best players.
The result is a program that consistently signs top-10 classes consistently gets eliminated by double-digit seeds.
In the NCAAs, every defense is well prepared and locked in for 40 minutes.
The difference is offense.
Wright has it figured out:
Very good players ideally suited for the system, combined with chemistry forged over several seasons and supported by a mismatch-causing style, can be a powerful force in March.
It’s an approach those other Wildcats should consider.