Bear Down Wildcats

UAEebs86 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 23, 2022 11:35 am I think one of the companies my dad worked for sold that crappy floor covering.

Fishclamps wrote: ↑Sun Jan 23, 2022 12:20 pm No game thread for today?

Alieberman wrote: ↑Sun Jan 23, 2022 3:05 pm On to UCLA... Let's kick their fucking ass!

TheCat wrote: ↑Sun Jan 23, 2022 3:15 pm We got a look at the twin towers and also 5 guard offense. We are going to be a tough out in the tourney because of how different we can play. Hope to continue to see Bal and Nowell get minutes and confidence. We just got a glimpse of what we look like in a decent turnover game.

97cats wrote: ↑Sun Jan 23, 2022 3:49 pm kenpom #2

adjO = 8
adjD = 8

magic numbers

Beachcat97 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 23, 2022 3:54 pm

97cats wrote: ↑Sun Jan 23, 2022 3:49 pm kenpom #2

adjO = 8
adjD = 8

magic numbers

Is there some kind of historical figure about teams ranked in the top 10 in these two categories? I get that it's incredibly rare to be this good in both but am wondering if it correlates with tourney performance.

97cats wrote: ↑Sun Jan 23, 2022 4:43 pm Kentucky 2011/12 - adjO(8) adjD(2)
Louisville 2012/13 - adjO(21) adjD(1)
UCONN 2013/14 - adjO(53) adjD(39)
Duke 2014/15 - adjO(1) adjD(16)
Villanova in 2015/16 - adjO(2) adjD(10)
North Carolina 2016/17 - adjO(9) adjD(10)
Villanova 2017/18 - adjO(2) adjD(25)
Virginia 2018/19 - adjO(8) adjD(5)
Baylor 2020/21 - adjO(3) adjD(9)

EastCoastCat wrote: ↑Sun Jan 23, 2022 6:24 pmNerds.

Beachcat97 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 23, 2022 4:54 pm Does Miller get partial credit if we get to the FF this year?

U.P. Zona Fan wrote: ↑Sun Jan 23, 2022 6:37 pm I like nerds.

97cats wrote: ↑Sun Jan 23, 2022 4:43 pm Kentucky 2011/12 - adjO(8) adjD(2)
Louisville 2012/13 - adjO(21) adjD(1)
UCONN 2013/14 - adjO(53) adjD(39)
Duke 2014/15 - adjO(1) adjD(16)
Villanova in 2015/16 - adjO(2) adjD(10)
North Carolina 2016/17 - adjO(9) adjD(10)
Villanova 2017/18 - adjO(2) adjD(25)
Virginia 2018/19 - adjO(8) adjD(5)
Baylor 2020/21 - adjO(3) adjD(9)

ZagCatFan wrote: ↑Sat Jan 22, 2022 11:14 am

Spaceman Spiff wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 12:50 pm Hey, it's his first post, no Mark Few DUI jokes yet. Let him settle in.

Thanks for warm welcome.

Believe me Zag fans were some of the loudest critics.

Some blamed Arizona for taking away his designated driver. )

Ballo had nice game against Stanford. The kid has always had a nice stroke from free throw line.

Spaceman Spiff wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 5:43 pm

RawleArenas wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 4:35 pm

Spaceman Spiff wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 3:38 pm

PennZona20 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 1:13 pm

RawleArenas wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 10:03 am In regards to recruiting, I've gone on the record saying that Lloyd has been extremely disappointing. Bruce Pascoe said that Lloyd is waiting till after the season to push the gas pedal, after he determines which players are staying. I have not heard anything from Lloyd on this, but I'm almost certain that he understands how serious the stakes are, so we'll see.

To be fair, one thing people miss out on this team is not that they're just talented, but they are the sum of Miller's maturity as a coach. Everything that Miller learned about program building, roster management, and juggling egos was put into last years team. I mean if we had both Brown's and Batcho frorm last year, even without Akinjo, this team would have been downright menacing. I've made this point in previous posts, but Miller got to the point that he was able to put together championship rosters in one year, a skill 99 percent of coaches don't have. That being said, I am excited to see that Lloyd was able to take Miller's value meal of international players and supersize it. It's been a joy to watch. It feels bad to say this, but it almost makes you think that if Miller was Lloyd's recruiting coordinator, UofA would be unstoppable for years to come. Lloyd's systems and Miller's scouting/recruiting go together like peanut butter and jelly.

This team reminds me of the 2001 squad. I remember in the Final Four against Michigan where Jim Nantz said that you could almost make the case that every player in the starting five could earn player of the game honors. Billy Packer followed by stating that's the reason why they were going to play in the national championship. You get the feeling from watching them play that this team has a similar ceiling. Every player in the rotation has the ability to be a gamechanger. If we play the way we're capable of we have a strong chance to be the #1 overall seed. Even Zag fans are worried about the possibility.

Comparing this team to 01 and it’s almost a wash.

Gardner v Kerr - gotta give advantage Gardner dude was such a good defender for his size and NEVER got tired.

Benn v Gil - i would say Benn (we are only talking AT UA for the one year. Benn is legit a NPOY candidate and I’m not sure Gil was even the best player on the team (Gil could have nights though where the ceiling was just as high)

RJ v Terry - i love Terry but RJ is the answer here all day. They are close in D but RJ was a much more potent scorer even if Terry does a little bit more of everything than RJ did.

Wright v Tubelis - this one is tough. In todays game I’d rather have Tubelis as we don’t need a high/low post game w two guys in the paint always like we had w Woods and Wright but Wright was our most consistent threat in 01. He’s the guy we went to w two Collins twins draped all over him in the final moments. For each team , I’d call this a push, maybe slightest of edges to Tubelis.

Woods v C-Lo - another tough one. I’d prob lean slightly to Woods as he really did take over the title game and keep us in it and he had a few double digit block games, which C-Lo can’t quite say he has. This one is very close as well.

Bench - maybe this is recency bias after last night but i think this bench mob is better than 01 by a decent margin. I loved Walton but Anderson RS that year and Edgerson was a banger but basically he, wessel, Frazier and Hanour were just bodies to steal a few minutes for the starters to rest. Our bench this year legit has 3 guys who can give u double digit points on any given night. And Kier is a well rounded bucket getter.

So you add it up and I’d give PG and C slightly to 01, SF decently to 01; but PF and SG slightly to 21, and bench decently to 21. Pretty equal teams in terms of talent imo.

I thought it was a rule we could only compare teams to 1997?

I'd go 2001 by double digits in a game. I think Woods is comparable to Koloko, with Koloko slightly better as a rim protector but Woods being more of a post threat.

Wright was a rock on D and the glass in a way Tubelis isn't. Tubelis is more explosive on O, but I'd take Wright.

RJ > Terry, that's an easy call.

Gil over Benn. Benn is really good, but Gil had the type of offensive game to be a 30 ppg guy in the NBA and was a high level defender. I'm just not rating any 2 guard in Arizona history over Gil.

Gardner over Kerr. Kerr is good, but Gardner is just a more mature, solid version. Gardner in 2001 is who Kerr might be as a junior or senior.

Bench, Walton just outdoes current. Frankly, Walton is a better type of Dalen Terry. Our current bench has decent players, but Edgerson, Wessel and Frazier are sort of the caliber of player I'd class Ballo, Kier and Larsson as. That's not an insult, as I'm saying they're rotation guys on a potential national runner up who could have easily won it all.

I was using the '01 team as a comparison in terms of impact personnel, I wasn't saying they were equivalent or better. But to Postmaster's point , if this team existed in the late 90's era, we'd still have Josh Green, Zeke Nnaji and Nico to complement our starting five. If that were the case, you could absolutely make comparisons to the 2001 team.

Gil was a supernova type player. You could make an argument that he was the most developed player ever to come out of the program, even with DWill and Benn in the discussion. The larger point I was making was that this team will be hard to beat in the tournament if they tighten it up and get focused. We can play a lot of different ways and when we're playing great defense and limit turnovers, we can run over quality, ranked teams.

I wasn't being super serious, please do not take offense. I had hoped my statment that 97 is the only allowed comparison would make it non-serious.

No disrespect.

The GOAT "if it were the 90's" team would be TJ, NJ, Stanley, RHJ, Aaron Gordon, Ashley and Zeus or maybe Nico, Green, Alkins, Simmons, Dylan Smith, Lauri, Zeke and Ayton.

RawleArenas wrote: ↑Mon Jan 24, 2022 8:19 am

Spaceman Spiff wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 5:43 pm

RawleArenas wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 4:35 pm

Spaceman Spiff wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 3:38 pm

PennZona20 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 1:13 pm



Comparing this team to 01 and it’s almost a wash.

Gardner v Kerr - gotta give advantage Gardner dude was such a good defender for his size and NEVER got tired.

Benn v Gil - i would say Benn (we are only talking AT UA for the one year. Benn is legit a NPOY candidate and I’m not sure Gil was even the best player on the team (Gil could have nights though where the ceiling was just as high)

RJ v Terry - i love Terry but RJ is the answer here all day. They are close in D but RJ was a much more potent scorer even if Terry does a little bit more of everything than RJ did.

Wright v Tubelis - this one is tough. In todays game I’d rather have Tubelis as we don’t need a high/low post game w two guys in the paint always like we had w Woods and Wright but Wright was our most consistent threat in 01. He’s the guy we went to w two Collins twins draped all over him in the final moments. For each team , I’d call this a push, maybe slightest of edges to Tubelis.

Woods v C-Lo - another tough one. I’d prob lean slightly to Woods as he really did take over the title game and keep us in it and he had a few double digit block games, which C-Lo can’t quite say he has. This one is very close as well.

Bench - maybe this is recency bias after last night but i think this bench mob is better than 01 by a decent margin. I loved Walton but Anderson RS that year and Edgerson was a banger but basically he, wessel, Frazier and Hanour were just bodies to steal a few minutes for the starters to rest. Our bench this year legit has 3 guys who can give u double digit points on any given night. And Kier is a well rounded bucket getter.

So you add it up and I’d give PG and C slightly to 01, SF decently to 01; but PF and SG slightly to 21, and bench decently to 21. Pretty equal teams in terms of talent imo.

I thought it was a rule we could only compare teams to 1997?

I'd go 2001 by double digits in a game. I think Woods is comparable to Koloko, with Koloko slightly better as a rim protector but Woods being more of a post threat.

Wright was a rock on D and the glass in a way Tubelis isn't. Tubelis is more explosive on O, but I'd take Wright.

RJ > Terry, that's an easy call.

Gil over Benn. Benn is really good, but Gil had the type of offensive game to be a 30 ppg guy in the NBA and was a high level defender. I'm just not rating any 2 guard in Arizona history over Gil.

Gardner over Kerr. Kerr is good, but Gardner is just a more mature, solid version. Gardner in 2001 is who Kerr might be as a junior or senior.

Bench, Walton just outdoes current. Frankly, Walton is a better type of Dalen Terry. Our current bench has decent players, but Edgerson, Wessel and Frazier are sort of the caliber of player I'd class Ballo, Kier and Larsson as. That's not an insult, as I'm saying they're rotation guys on a potential national runner up who could have easily won it all.

I was using the '01 team as a comparison in terms of impact personnel, I wasn't saying they were equivalent or better. But to Postmaster's point , if this team existed in the late 90's era, we'd still have Josh Green, Zeke Nnaji and Nico to complement our starting five. If that were the case, you could absolutely make comparisons to the 2001 team.

Gil was a supernova type player. You could make an argument that he was the most developed player ever to come out of the program, even with DWill and Benn in the discussion. The larger point I was making was that this team will be hard to beat in the tournament if they tighten it up and get focused. We can play a lot of different ways and when we're playing great defense and limit turnovers, we can run over quality, ranked teams.

I wasn't being super serious, please do not take offense. I had hoped my statment that 97 is the only allowed comparison would make it non-serious.

No disrespect.

The GOAT "if it were the 90's" team would be TJ, NJ, Stanley, RHJ, Aaron Gordon, Ashley and Zeus or maybe Nico, Green, Alkins, Simmons, Dylan Smith, Lauri, Zeke and Ayton.

None taken Spiff, I've always enjoyed your takes (love metrics and analytics) although including Dylan Smith is uh.... suspect.

KaibabKat wrote: ↑Sun Jan 23, 2022 6:17 pm Median Values for National Champion Teams since 1985 (2003 for Pomeroy data}:
These are all Post Season numbers - after the tournament has been played.
Only 15 of 36 won their post season conference tournaments.

33 wins
5 losses
3 Preseason AP ranking
3 Final AP ranking
3 RPI
1 seed
2 Sagarin ranking
12 Sagarin SOS (11 Pomeroy SOS)
1 Pomeroy ranking
2 AdjO
10 AdjD
131 AdjTempo
50 Non Conference SOS
103 Experience
39 Effective Height
61 Free Throw %
43 2 point %
26 3 point %
119 Luck

EastCoastCat wrote: ↑Mon Jan 24, 2022 8:56 am Spiff, please don't jinx us with any of this Dylan Smith or PJC talk.

Geez.

Spaceman Spiff wrote: ↑Mon Jan 24, 2022 9:56 am

EastCoastCat wrote: ↑Mon Jan 24, 2022 8:56 am Spiff, please don't jinx us with any of this Dylan Smith or PJC talk.

Geez.

Are you saying PJC single handedly drove our height metric below where it needed to be for a NC on Kaibab's scale?

Alieberman wrote: ↑Mon Jan 24, 2022 10:16 am Is this good?

g32knights wrote: ↑Mon Jan 24, 2022 10:11 am Still number 3, but got one first place vote this week.

I bet it was Seth Davis.

EastCoastCat wrote: ↑Mon Jan 24, 2022 10:19 am It feels like a #1 seed that's for sure.

PennZona20 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 24, 2022 10:47 am Are we making up the UsC and ASU game or are they just donezo?