Bear Down Wildcats

KaibabKat wrote:Perhaps PJC didn't play like Mike Bibby tonight but he was not the reason that we lost this game. Chance Comanche and Keanu Pindar both had their worst games of the young season but nobody seems to be pointing fingers at them.

if AZ is relying on Chance Comanche and Keanu Pindar to beat Butler on a nuetrql floor, Sean Miller has bigger problems.

plenty of blame can be spread around, but unsteady and soft PG play is a major problem. Especially down the stretch of games.

97cats wrote:he was not good in the last 2:30, at all.

skin that as you may.

Fixed it for you.

Yeah except for that layup to put us up 4 with 2 mins to go. Soft. Not good at all.

PennZona20 wrote:

97cats wrote:he was not good in the last 2:30, at all.

skin that as you may.

Fixed it for you.

i don't agree

Olsondogg wrote:Yeah except for that layup to put us up 4 with 2 mins to go. Soft. Not good at all.

one play for any player doesn't make a game. Cartwright is uneven and small with an off shot which is a bad trio when you turn the ball over late in games.

i have no confidence in him in the tough games. None

97cats wrote:

PennZona20 wrote:

97cats wrote:he was not good in the last 2:30, at all.

skin that as you may.

Fixed it for you.

i don't agree

Then your bias and bitterness for PJC and his team being the reason we didn't get a high-potential prospect like Thorton is showing.

PJC certainly isn't TJ, but he can be good enough for a final 4 w some improving and some help from the supporting cast. I do worry he's just not enough of a killer though. He just doesn't seem confident enough in his shot when he shoots it. And those turnovers late were God awful.

PennZona20 wrote:
PJC certainly isn't TJ, but he can be good enough for a final 4 w some improving and some help from the supporting cast.

see, we just disagree.

more Trier god help us all

97cats wrote:

Olsondogg wrote:Yeah except for that layup to put us up 4 with 2 mins to go. Soft. Not good at all.

one play for any player doesn't make a game. Cartwright is uneven and small with an off shot which is a bad trio when you turn the ball over late in games.

i have no confidence in him in the tough games. None

Yeah we know you don't. You discount any positives at all in his game, or negatives of anyone else in the game. I know he must have made KA miss those FT or let this man get to the rim and foul him for an and 1.

Someday this year you'll eat a ton of crow. Hope you can do it with a smile instead of personal insults.

i haven't insulted once, I've critiqued a player, who in my opinion is not good.

if that changes, I will be the first in line.

however, I have zero confidence in that.

Haven't insulted on THIS board...

Olsondogg wrote:Haven't insulted on THIS board...

stop your whining

Cartwright is not a player I have confidence in to date.

you disagree, fine

I don't have to agree with you.

Likewise. And I also don't need feel the need to beat the same drum over and over.

Looking forward to hearing who the worst player was on both ends of the floor every night.

Thanks for the critique

97cats wrote:i haven't insulted once, I've critiqued a player, who in my opinion is not good.

if that changes, I will be the first in line.

however, I have zero confidence in that.

For that "first in line" to be true, you have to acknowledge that he's had good games so far this year. If you only pop in after losses or nail biters and critique/blame only PJC, it will strike many as an axe to grind. If you're going to be silent during a stretch of wins where he had a 10-1 TO/A ratio, it's hard to claim objectivity when you want to talk about him having a mediocre or bad game.

Much like with Rise&Fire who has a hard-on for Miller and the packline, but absolutely refuses to acknowledge when coaching or defense wins us games. Largely he's ignored and made fun of because he's become a sort of parody. You're obviously far more knowledgeable than that joker, so it would pain me to see people treat your posts the same way.

he's had two good games this season, IMO -- and it was against Sacred Heart and NoCo.

he has been abysmal in several others including last night.

my point, he's a good back up player and nice young man, but he's not a 30+ min PG guy on a final four contending team, IMO.

that's almost all of which I've said for the better part of three years now. last night in another physical and hard fought tight game he came up zeros AGAIN when AZ needed him most.

people can disagree, that's more than fine, but I don't see it with him nor do I get it.

Cartwright will have his occasional "great" game at home, but largely he is outmatched against stiffer competition.

and this isn't an attack on the young man as it is on the coaches, mainly Miller, who have put all their eggs in the Cartwright basket.

to me that's the rub, as the coaches know his limitations.

i hope I'm wrong, but to me Cartwright is far from the PG thats going to pop millers final four cherry. if I'm wrong, line me up -- and if I'm right, I won't say I told ya so.

deal?

I agree with 97. PJC is just too soft/small/not good enough to lead us to a title. Wichita State and last night's game are proof enough for me. Can't have your PG getting ripped and not being in control when the game is tight.

Actually, this was the first game where I felt that PJC is good enough and he has been showing this in the last 3 games.

The one thing I applaud Butler for is switching to a 1-3-1 zone at the end of the game. The team and PJC sputtered against it but I see that as a learning experience. Up to that point, I thought PJC was doing really well.

Part of that is on Miller because (and this is one of the things I think he does badly as a coach) is that he uses all the time outs long before the end of the game. That made the 1-3-1 even better because it was done after Miller burned the last TO.

97cats wrote:

KaibabKat wrote:Perhaps PJC didn't play like Mike Bibby tonight but he was not the reason that we lost this game. Chance Comanche and Keanu Pindar both had their worst games of the young season but nobody seems to be pointing fingers at them.

if AZ is relying on Chance Comanche and Keanu Pindar to beat Butler on a nuetrql floor, Sean Miller has bigger problems.

plenty of blame can be spread around, but unsteady and soft PG play is a major problem. Especially down the stretch of games.

If the refs didn't remove Lauri from the game, Keanu and Chance don't need to do what they did.

Parker, this just wasn't a good game. The best thing he did was 8 assists, but 3 to's and 2-7 shooting really take the luster off. You can blame Miller for the zone, but PJC went deer in the headlights against it.

Really, he played a competent game before the end. Take out the two huge turnovers and he would have had a nice a/t ratio. He made the one nice drive, but other than that, he had a bad finish. Coincidentally, it was the exact same time our team did too.

Daryl Zero wrote:Actually, this was the first game where I felt that PJC is good enough and he has been showing this in the last 3 games.

The one thing I applaud Butler for is switching to a 1-3-1 zone at the end of the game. The team and PJC sputtered against it but I see that as a learning experience. Up to that point, I thought PJC was doing really well.

Part of that is on Miller because (and this is one of the things I think he does badly as a coach) is that he uses all the time outs long before the end of the game. That made the 1-3-1 even better because it was done after Miller burned the last TO.

Spot on. My confidence in Parker grew with this game. Wasn't happy with the final two minutes, but it can be a learning experience. I suspect he will defer more if Trier returns and/or Simmons and Alkins gain confidence and savvy.

No LM, Ray Smith or Trier down the stretch. Dealt a tough hand. Tried to do more than he normally would. Definitely our best option at the PG.

Here's why I can't be too positive. Against the two teams with a pulse we've played, here's Parker's stats.

6-18 from the floor.
1-7 from three.
11 assists, 5 turnovers.

That just doesn't win games. At best, it doesn't lose them.

Edit: neither Nairn or whoever Butler's pg was were close to the best on their team, so it isn't like these were really top flight pg's he faced.

Upperclassmen shouldn't turn the ball over two consecutive times within two minutes. Especially in a tight game. He is the only option we have at PG, so as he goes, so does the team.

A/TO

PJC -- 36/10 (ratio: 6/1.6). Third in league in assists. Second in AT/0.
KS -- 7/5
LM -- 6/5
RA -- 9/17
DS -- 4/7
KA -- 3/5
CC -- 2/10
KP -- 2/9

The low assist totals for all the other players a bigger problem. Only RA and KS average more than 1 a game (barely). Chance has the same number of turnovers as Parker, in 93 fewer minutes.

We're 11th in the conference in assists ... 7th in AT/O. Need better ball movement and sharing, period.

P.S. Lonzo Ball's numbers are insane.

Is that counting offensive fouls as TO's?

http://pac-12.com/content/mens-basketball-statistics" target="_blank

Probably, given Rawle's total.

gumby wrote:http://pac-12.com/content/mens-basketball-statistics

Probably, given Rawle's total.

That's what jumped out at me too. Rawle has picked up a fair number of charges. Chance's to's are probably significantly attributable to that. I know he had 2 offensive fouls vs Butler and it might have even been 3.

LM -- six assists/six games. He's going to get more attention as the season goes along. Hope he can find the open man. We need more creators. Almost all on Parker at the moment.

gumby wrote:LM -- six assists/six games. He's going to get more attention as the season goes along. Hope he can find the open man. We need more creators. Almost all on Parker at the moment.

I think we are getting to the truth about "Parker" here. It's about the team and not him. Down the stretch in the loss Miller blames himself more than Parker and I agree with him.


“He’s been great at taking care of the ball,” Miller said. “His assist-turnover ratio is almost 4-1. Obviously, he had some decisions down the stretch he didn't want to do, we didn’t want him to do it. But that’s not just on him, trust me, that’s on the other four guys, that’s one his coach for not having his team organized.

“And for Parker it’s learning how that turnover happened so the next time he’s that much more ready. But we were 5-0 with Parker having the ball in his hands and a big reason we were 5-0 because of his decision-making and incredible assist-turnover ratio. He’s one of the guys I’m talking to. He’s never played this many minutes. He’s never been the true starter and although he’s experienced, he’s not experienced in that role you just saw. So things like this sometimes happen."


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So any word? We are nervous up here

rgdeuce wrote:So any word? We are nervous up here

Knee injury. He's out for the 2nd half.

Seems odd he gets hurt and the announcers say nothing. He is out for the game with who knows how serious of an injury and not one single about him. Very odd.

Perfect timing. Hope he's good for Gonzaga

rgdeuce wrote:Perfect timing. Hope he's good for Gonzaga

You don't spend all game in the locker room and have the orthopedic doctor be called in and not miss numerous games.

Point guards are over rated. Give duce the ball he has the skills lol

gumby wrote:LM -- six assists/six games. He's going to get more attention as the season goes along. Hope he can find the open man. We need more creators. Almost all on Parker at the moment.

He must have read this post. 5 assists tonight

rgdeuce wrote:Perfect timing. Hope he's good for Gonzaga

After reading this thread I am wondering if he will ever be good.

I don't know if he will ever walk again

Alieberman wrote:I don't know if he will ever walk again

R.I.P.

ChooChooCat wrote:

rgdeuce wrote:Perfect timing. Hope he's good for Gonzaga

You don't spend all game in the locker room and have the orthopedic doctor be called in and not miss numerous games.

Thanks for posting that before that post!

I want to use a belt sander on my ears every-time I hear Dick V announce a game, but these two bozo's were the worst announcers I have ever heard on a Pac 12 game and that includes ALL of Bill Waltons drug induced trips down Grateful dead lane...

They were terrible never even commented much on the game it was like a competition of who could say the most distracting irrelevant thing about old players...

They need to be retired forever from broadcasting...go call a jr. high spelling bee.

Miller said that PJC has a high ankle sprain and will miss a considerable amount of time.

CatFanOneMil wrote:I want to use a belt sander on my ears every-time I hear Dick V announce a game, but these two bozo's were the worst announcers I have ever heard on a Pac 12 game and that includes ALL of Bill Waltons drug induced trips down Grateful dead lane...

They were terrible never even commented much on the game it was like a competition of who could say the most distracting irrelevant thing about old players...

They need to be retired forever from broadcasting...go call a jr. high spelling bee.

It's not just their fault. They have a producer in their ears who also dropped the ball.

PJC high ankle sprain out for considerable time per Millers presser...my god we need to get rid of the goat ...

Dude this is a fuckin joke.

They desperately need to hire a trainer to work the guys from the knees on down...different shoes, some fucking thing...I've never seen more twisted ankles, more ACL tears, more knee sprains on one team in my life...

When does baseball season start

Now would be an optimal time to hear some good news on Trier.

(I know, I know)

A broken ankle would've been a better diagnosis than a high ankle sprain.