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Could just hire a recruit's brother
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Good news for Puff is that they’ll just make up classes for him that only exist on paper and he won’t have to attend. Enjoy that buddy.
Of the 12 coaches, Rush picked the one whose fans have the deepest passion, the longest memories, the greatest lung capacity and … did I mention deep passion?
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does Miller go all out for Zaire Williams?
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I mean he's already trying. At this point it looks like he'll stay in the state of California.Frybry02 wrote:does Miller go all out for Zaire Williams?
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The impending NCAA sanctions hanging over the UA like a Sword of Damocles is obviously hurting us in this recruiting cycle.
We should have been proactive and dealt with this mess 18 months ago.
We should have been proactive and dealt with this mess 18 months ago.
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Yawn.dmjcat wrote:The impending NCAA sanctions hanging over the UA like a Sword of Damocles is obviously hurting us in this recruiting cycle.
We should have been proactive and dealt with this mess 18 months ago.
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Thats probably the most cognizant argument you are capable of making.ChooChooCat wrote:Yawn.dmjcat wrote:The impending NCAA sanctions hanging over the UA like a Sword of Damocles is obviously hurting us in this recruiting cycle.
We should have been proactive and dealt with this mess 18 months ago.
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Gotta think Kerwin is a must-get now.ChooChooCat wrote:I mean he's already trying. At this point it looks like he'll stay in the state of California.Frybry02 wrote:does Miller go all out for Zaire Williams?
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Yeah, same thing that happened to UNC resulting in ..... *checks notes* ..... two Final Fours and a National Championship.dmjcat wrote:The impending NCAA sanctions hanging over the UA like a Sword of Damocles is obviously hurting us in this recruiting cycle.
We should have been proactive and dealt with this mess 18 months ago.
Of the 12 coaches, Rush picked the one whose fans have the deepest passion, the longest memories, the greatest lung capacity and … did I mention deep passion?
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Chicat wrote:Yeah, same thing that happened to UNC resulting in ..... *checks notes* ..... two Final Fours and a National Championship.dmjcat wrote:The impending NCAA sanctions hanging over the UA like a Sword of Damocles is obviously hurting us in this recruiting cycle.
We should have been proactive and dealt with this mess 18 months ago.
UA is NOT UNC. Just ask Puff Johnson.
At this point its difficult to realistically make the argument that we shouldn't have self sanctioned. What would have happened if we had?
1) We would have avoided the embarrassment of the Buffalo beat-down on National TV
2) We would not have the sanctions boogey-man hanging over our heads.......and screwing up our 2020 recruiting
3) We would already be 18 months past the bad headlines.....and all of the talking heads would be picking on some
other program
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None of your talking points are true. The sports media isn't guaranteed to be quiet, and could still hammer Arizona as the example. Just because we self-sanction doesn't mean more sanctions won't be added on. And we wouldn't be past the bad headlines (undeserved).dmjcat wrote:Chicat wrote:Yeah, same thing that happened to UNC resulting in ..... *checks notes* ..... two Final Fours and a National Championship.dmjcat wrote:The impending NCAA sanctions hanging over the UA like a Sword of Damocles is obviously hurting us in this recruiting cycle.
We should have been proactive and dealt with this mess 18 months ago.
UA is NOT UNC. Just ask Puff Johnson.
At this point its difficult to realistically make the argument that we shouldn't have self sanctioned. What would have happened if we had?
1) We would have avoided the embarrassment of the Buffalo beat-down on National TV
2) We would not have the sanctions boogey-man hanging over our heads.......and screwing up our 2020 recruiting
3) We would already be 18 months past the bad headlines.....and all of the talking heads would be picking on some
other program
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What if we take off and nuke the Arizona campus from orbit? It’s the only way to be sure...dmjcat wrote:Chicat wrote:Yeah, same thing that happened to UNC resulting in ..... *checks notes* ..... two Final Fours and a National Championship.dmjcat wrote:The impending NCAA sanctions hanging over the UA like a Sword of Damocles is obviously hurting us in this recruiting cycle.
We should have been proactive and dealt with this mess 18 months ago.
UA is NOT UNC. Just ask Puff Johnson.
At this point its difficult to realistically make the argument that we shouldn't have self sanctioned. What would have happened if we had?
1) We would have avoided the embarrassment of the Buffalo beat-down on National TV
2) We would not have the sanctions boogey-man hanging over our heads.......and screwing up our 2020 recruiting
3) We would already be 18 months past the bad headlines.....and all of the talking heads would be picking on some
other program
Of the 12 coaches, Rush picked the one whose fans have the deepest passion, the longest memories, the greatest lung capacity and … did I mention deep passion?
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First of all if we would've self sanctioned it wouldn't have been for the Deandre Ayton season, so #1 is null and void.dmjcat wrote:Chicat wrote:Yeah, same thing that happened to UNC resulting in ..... *checks notes* ..... two Final Fours and a National Championship.dmjcat wrote:The impending NCAA sanctions hanging over the UA like a Sword of Damocles is obviously hurting us in this recruiting cycle.
We should have been proactive and dealt with this mess 18 months ago.
UA is NOT UNC. Just ask Puff Johnson.
At this point its difficult to realistically make the argument that we shouldn't have self sanctioned. What would have happened if we had?
1) We would have avoided the embarrassment of the Buffalo beat-down on National TV
2) We would not have the sanctions boogey-man hanging over our heads.......and screwing up our 2020 recruiting
3) We would already be 18 months past the bad headlines.....and all of the talking heads would be picking on some
other program
Second of all even if we self-sanctioned we would have ZERO idea if that would serve the bloodlust that the NCAA requires. Maybe they would've been satisfied with a self-imposed postseason ban last year, maybe not, and we'd still have the sanctions boogey-man hanging over our head until guess what? The NCAA lobbied said sanctions. Us self-imposing wouldn't have sped up their timeline whatsoever. We'd still be waiting just like we are right now without self-imposing. So #2 is null and void.
Third of all, the bad headlines would've continued regardless the second we decided to retain Sean Miller. Low and behold #3 is also null and void.
Also Sean Miller doesn't cry, Roy Williams does. That's literally why we lost Puff. Not because UA isn't UNC. If that was the case we wouldn't have Josh Green & Zeke Nnaji on our roster right now.
Your entire post is bullshit. Every single word of it.
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Chicat wrote:What if we take off and nuke the Arizona campus from orbit? It’s the only way to be sure...dmjcat wrote:Chicat wrote:Yeah, same thing that happened to UNC resulting in ..... *checks notes* ..... two Final Fours and a National Championship.dmjcat wrote:The impending NCAA sanctions hanging over the UA like a Sword of Damocles is obviously hurting us in this recruiting cycle.
We should have been proactive and dealt with this mess 18 months ago.
UA is NOT UNC. Just ask Puff Johnson.
At this point its difficult to realistically make the argument that we shouldn't have self sanctioned. What would have happened if we had?
1) We would have avoided the embarrassment of the Buffalo beat-down on National TV
2) We would not have the sanctions boogey-man hanging over our heads.......and screwing up our 2020 recruiting
3) We would already be 18 months past the bad headlines.....and all of the talking heads would be picking on some
other program
LOL, your "argument" is even less cognizant than Choo's yawn
At some point most rational people admit when they are wrong.
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Yawn x2.dmjcat wrote:Chicat wrote:What if we take off and nuke the Arizona campus from orbit? It’s the only way to be sure...dmjcat wrote:Chicat wrote:Yeah, same thing that happened to UNC resulting in ..... *checks notes* ..... two Final Fours and a National Championship.dmjcat wrote:The impending NCAA sanctions hanging over the UA like a Sword of Damocles is obviously hurting us in this recruiting cycle.
We should have been proactive and dealt with this mess 18 months ago.
UA is NOT UNC. Just ask Puff Johnson.
At this point its difficult to realistically make the argument that we shouldn't have self sanctioned. What would have happened if we had?
1) We would have avoided the embarrassment of the Buffalo beat-down on National TV
2) We would not have the sanctions boogey-man hanging over our heads.......and screwing up our 2020 recruiting
3) We would already be 18 months past the bad headlines.....and all of the talking heads would be picking on some
other program
LOL, your "argument" is even less cognizant than Choo's yawn
At some point most rational people admit when they are wrong.
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Yup.goslingswagg wrote:Gotta think Kerwin is a must-get now.ChooChooCat wrote:I mean he's already trying. At this point it looks like he'll stay in the state of California.Frybry02 wrote:does Miller go all out for Zaire Williams?
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Let's just get the infinity stones and snap the campus out of existence instead, it'll be less messier....outside of the ashes of course.Chicat wrote:What if we take off and nuke the Arizona campus from orbit? It’s the only way to be sure...dmjcat wrote:Chicat wrote:Yeah, same thing that happened to UNC resulting in ..... *checks notes* ..... two Final Fours and a National Championship.dmjcat wrote:The impending NCAA sanctions hanging over the UA like a Sword of Damocles is obviously hurting us in this recruiting cycle.
We should have been proactive and dealt with this mess 18 months ago.
UA is NOT UNC. Just ask Puff Johnson.
At this point its difficult to realistically make the argument that we shouldn't have self sanctioned. What would have happened if we had?
1) We would have avoided the embarrassment of the Buffalo beat-down on National TV
2) We would not have the sanctions boogey-man hanging over our heads.......and screwing up our 2020 recruiting
3) We would already be 18 months past the bad headlines.....and all of the talking heads would be picking on some
other program
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ChooChooCat wrote:Let's just get the infinity stones and snap the campus out of existence instead, it'll be less messier....outside of the ashes of course.Chicat wrote:What if we take off and nuke the Arizona campus from orbit? It’s the only way to be sure...dmjcat wrote:Chicat wrote:Yeah, same thing that happened to UNC resulting in ..... *checks notes* ..... two Final Fours and a National Championship.dmjcat wrote:The impending NCAA sanctions hanging over the UA like a Sword of Damocles is obviously hurting us in this recruiting cycle.
We should have been proactive and dealt with this mess 18 months ago.
UA is NOT UNC. Just ask Puff Johnson.
At this point its difficult to realistically make the argument that we shouldn't have self sanctioned. What would have happened if we had?
1) We would have avoided the embarrassment of the Buffalo beat-down on National TV
2) We would not have the sanctions boogey-man hanging over our heads.......and screwing up our 2020 recruiting
3) We would already be 18 months past the bad headlines.....and all of the talking heads would be picking on some
other program
Another "rational" argument.
If you actually have some reasonable argument....please make it. Otherwise stop wasting bandwidth.
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My argument is that you remind me of Bill Paxton’s character in Aliens.dmjcat wrote:Chicat wrote:What if we take off and nuke the Arizona campus from orbit? It’s the only way to be sure...dmjcat wrote:Chicat wrote:Yeah, same thing that happened to UNC resulting in ..... *checks notes* ..... two Final Fours and a National Championship.dmjcat wrote:The impending NCAA sanctions hanging over the UA like a Sword of Damocles is obviously hurting us in this recruiting cycle.
We should have been proactive and dealt with this mess 18 months ago.
UA is NOT UNC. Just ask Puff Johnson.
At this point its difficult to realistically make the argument that we shouldn't have self sanctioned. What would have happened if we had?
1) We would have avoided the embarrassment of the Buffalo beat-down on National TV
2) We would not have the sanctions boogey-man hanging over our heads.......and screwing up our 2020 recruiting
3) We would already be 18 months past the bad headlines.....and all of the talking heads would be picking on some
other program
LOL, your "argument" is even less cognizant than Choo's yawn
At some point most rational people admit when they are wrong.
Secure that shit Hudson.
Of the 12 coaches, Rush picked the one whose fans have the deepest passion, the longest memories, the greatest lung capacity and … did I mention deep passion?
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Can you imagine the feeding frenzy and destruction if we had admitted guilt. That course of action would have made Arizona basketball Arizona football
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UA is NOT UNC. Just ask Puff Johnson.
At this point its difficult to realistically make the argument that we shouldn't have self sanctioned. What would have happened if we had?
1) We would have avoided the embarrassment of the Buffalo beat-down on National TV
2) We would not have the sanctions boogey-man hanging over our heads.......and screwing up our 2020 recruiting
3) We would already be 18 months past the bad headlines.....and all of the talking heads would be picking on some
other program[/quote]
What if we take off and nuke the Arizona campus from orbit? It’s the only way to be sure...[/quote]
LOL, your "argument" is even less cognizant than Choo's yawn
At some point most rational people admit when they are wrong.[/quote]
My argument is that you remind me of Bill Paxton’s character in Aliens.
Secure that shit Hudson.[/quote]
In other words, you don't have an argument. Not surprised.
At this point its difficult to realistically make the argument that we shouldn't have self sanctioned. What would have happened if we had?
1) We would have avoided the embarrassment of the Buffalo beat-down on National TV
2) We would not have the sanctions boogey-man hanging over our heads.......and screwing up our 2020 recruiting
3) We would already be 18 months past the bad headlines.....and all of the talking heads would be picking on some
other program[/quote]
What if we take off and nuke the Arizona campus from orbit? It’s the only way to be sure...[/quote]
LOL, your "argument" is even less cognizant than Choo's yawn
At some point most rational people admit when they are wrong.[/quote]
My argument is that you remind me of Bill Paxton’s character in Aliens.
Secure that shit Hudson.[/quote]
In other words, you don't have an argument. Not surprised.
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Using the quote feature is hard.
But apparently it’s harder to wrap your head around the fact that only idiots self-sanction.
But apparently it’s harder to wrap your head around the fact that only idiots self-sanction.
Of the 12 coaches, Rush picked the one whose fans have the deepest passion, the longest memories, the greatest lung capacity and … did I mention deep passion?
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azcat49 wrote:Can you imagine the feeding frenzy and destruction if we had admitted guilt. That course of action would have made Arizona basketball Arizona football
In case you haven't noticed we are already in the middle of a feeding frenzy...........and have been since Books idiocy on tape came to light.
How many negative articles/posts/tweets has the UA been subjected to over the past two years?
The continued feeding frenzy has done more damage than any self sanctioning would have ever done. If we had dealt with the Book mess proactively we would not have sanctions hanging over our head and could be telling recruits that our problems are behind us.
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Still haven't presented a rational argument.Chicat wrote:Using the quote feature is hard.
But apparently it’s harder to wrap your head around the fact that only idiots self-sanction.
Are you contending that getting clobbered in recruiting right now is preferable to have taken our lumps (which would have been very limited) 18 months ago??? Real Weak Sauce
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I made an argument in a post prior that you completely overlooked genius. Every argument you had was pure unadulterated bullshit and I made sure to detail out why. Your act is tired.dmjcat wrote:
Another "rational" argument.
If you actually have some reasonable argument....please make it. Otherwise stop wasting bandwidth.
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You actually haven’t proven that any difficulty we may be experiencing in recruiting right now is tied to impending sanctions. It certainly did not hurt us this past recruiting cycle.
Of the 12 coaches, Rush picked the one whose fans have the deepest passion, the longest memories, the greatest lung capacity and … did I mention deep passion?
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That level would have been intensified if we would have told the NCAA, hey your investigation into Alkins and Ayton and Quinnerly was wrong and we did pay these guys so forget you cleared them to play.
Your thinking would have buried us for a millennial. With you in charge you probably would have told him you have a tape the FBI could never get snd it has Miller on it
Your thinking would have buried us for a millennial. With you in charge you probably would have told him you have a tape the FBI could never get snd it has Miller on it
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To be fair they are hurting us along with a mix of a few other issues that solely have to do with the 2020 recruiting class on the west coast as is, but as I detailed out in my long response to dmj, self-sanctioning wouldn't have improved our recruiting in any form of reality whatsoever, because we'd still be waiting on the NCAA to, you know, levy their actual decision on sanctions. They don't just say "ok what you self-sanctioned is good enough for us, carry on." The NCAA is ALWAYS harder on you when you literally ADMIT GUILT. Dmj is too feeble minded to understand that though.Chicat wrote:You actually haven’t proven that any difficulty we may be experiencing in recruiting right now is tied to impending sanctions. It certainly did not hurt us this past recruiting cycle.
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You have not refuted a single point I made or made any rational counter-argument.ChooChooCat wrote:I made an argument in a post prior that you completely overlooked genius. Every argument you had was pure unadulterated bullshit and I made sure to detail out why. Your act is tired.dmjcat wrote:
Another "rational" argument.
If you actually have some reasonable argument....please make it. Otherwise stop wasting bandwidth.
Your alleged "insider" act has been tired for a looooooonnnnnnnnnnggggggggggg time.
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Here I'll copy and paste it for you since you're so fucking obtuse. Your blathering couldn't be further from reality let alone rational. Here's my coherent rational reply to your ridiculous mess.dmjcat wrote:You have not refuted a single point I made or made any rational counter-argument.ChooChooCat wrote:I made an argument in a post prior that you completely overlooked genius. Every argument you had was pure unadulterated bullshit and I made sure to detail out why. Your act is tired.dmjcat wrote:
Another "rational" argument.
If you actually have some reasonable argument....please make it. Otherwise stop wasting bandwidth.
Your alleged "insider" act has been tired for a looooooonnnnnnnnnnggggggggggg time.
You're an idiot. Go to your hole.ChooChooCat wrote:First of all if we would've self sanctioned it wouldn't have been for the Deandre Ayton season, so #1 is null and void.
Second of all even if we self-sanctioned we would have ZERO idea if that would serve the bloodlust that the NCAA requires. Maybe they would've been satisfied with a self-imposed postseason ban last year, maybe not, and we'd still have the sanctions boogey-man hanging over our head until guess what? The NCAA lobbied said sanctions. Us self-imposing wouldn't have sped up their timeline whatsoever. We'd still be waiting just like we are right now without self-imposing. So #2 is null and void.
Third of all, the bad headlines would've continued regardless the second we decided to retain Sean Miller. Low and behold #3 is also null and void.
Also Sean Miller doesn't cry, Roy Williams does. That's literally why we lost Puff. Not because UA isn't UNC. If that was the case we wouldn't have Josh Green & Zeke Nnaji on our roster right now.
Your entire post is bullshit. Every single word of it.
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I don't think anyone is arguing that we won't get hit by the NCAA on some level. What that is? Who really knows, its the NCAA we are talking about.
In hindsight, it is easy to say we should have self-sanctioned because those seasons sucked anyway but honestly, has self-sanctioning really ever helped anyone?
In hindsight, it is easy to say we should have self-sanctioned because those seasons sucked anyway but honestly, has self-sanctioning really ever helped anyone?
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No, it hasn't, ever.DrWildcat wrote:has self-sanctioning really ever helped anyone?
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I can't think of an example of a school that self sanctioned that got off easier. Anyways, I'm begginning to think that if the NCAA had anything on Arizona they'd would've brought it up by now.ChooChooCat wrote:No, it hasn't, ever.DrWildcat wrote:has self-sanctioning really ever helped anyone?
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Geez. If someone is gonna argue with Choo, they should make sure that it's about something on the court...not behind the scenes or in recruiting.
I can't think of a single thing that guy has gotten wrong in that arena.
Don't be an idiot.
I can't think of a single thing that guy has gotten wrong in that arena.
Don't be an idiot.
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Also, if people thought that negative recruiting wouldn't hurt us in some way then they are naive...the NCAA will do whatever, and Miller will do whatever.
Enjoy the current year and trust in the process.
Enjoy the current year and trust in the process.
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You have not refuted a single point I made or made any rational counter-argument.
Your alleged "insider" act has been tired for a looooooonnnnnnnnnnggggggggggg time.[/quote]
Here I'll copy and paste it for you since you're so fucking obtuse. Your blathering couldn't be further from reality let alone rational. Here's my coherent rational reply to your ridiculous mess.
ZERO idea??? Hardly. The vast majority of schools that self sanction don't face additional penalties....for someone who claims to be an "insider" you know very little about how the NCAA operates.
We could have self sanctioned last year.......and lost almost ZERO for it.
You have NO idea how the press would have reacted. The talking heads would have likely moved on to another target.
So you claim to KNOW that we lost Puff because Roy Cried???
How in the hell do you know that???? Were you in the room with Puff/Roy or did you plant a microphone on Puff?
Your claims are getting more ludicrous by the minute.
Your alleged "insider" act has been tired for a looooooonnnnnnnnnnggggggggggg time.[/quote]
Here I'll copy and paste it for you since you're so fucking obtuse. Your blathering couldn't be further from reality let alone rational. Here's my coherent rational reply to your ridiculous mess.
You're an idiot. Go to your hole.[/quote]ChooChooCat wrote:First of all if we would've self sanctioned it wouldn't have been for the Deandre Ayton season, so #1 is null and void.
Second of all even if we self-sanctioned we would have ZERO idea if that would serve the bloodlust that the NCAA requires. Maybe they would've been satisfied with a self-imposed postseason ban last year, maybe not, and we'd still have the sanctions boogey-man hanging over our head until guess what? The NCAA lobbied said sanctions. Us self-imposing wouldn't have sped up their timeline whatsoever. We'd still be waiting just like we are right now without self-imposing. So #2 is null and void.
Third of all, the bad headlines would've continued regardless the second we decided to retain Sean Miller. Low and behold #3 is also null and void.
Also Sean Miller doesn't cry, Roy Williams does. That's literally why we lost Puff. Not because UA isn't UNC. If that was the case we wouldn't have Josh Green & Zeke Nnaji on our roster right now.
Your entire post is bullshit. Every single word of it.
ZERO idea??? Hardly. The vast majority of schools that self sanction don't face additional penalties....for someone who claims to be an "insider" you know very little about how the NCAA operates.
We could have self sanctioned last year.......and lost almost ZERO for it.
You have NO idea how the press would have reacted. The talking heads would have likely moved on to another target.
So you claim to KNOW that we lost Puff because Roy Cried???
How in the hell do you know that???? Were you in the room with Puff/Roy or did you plant a microphone on Puff?
Your claims are getting more ludicrous by the minute.
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If you are arguing to "self-sanction" then yes, you are an idiot. There doesn't need to be more discussion about it...you are just an idiot.
Self-sanctioning should never, ever be done. Period.
Self-sanctioning should never, ever be done. Period.
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You’re right, and I should have said “solely”.ChooChooCat wrote:To be fair they are hurting us along with a mix of a few other issues that solely have to do with the 2020 recruiting class on the west coast as is, but as I detailed out in my long response to dmj, self-sanctioning wouldn't have improved our recruiting in any form of reality whatsoever, because we'd still be waiting on the NCAA to, you know, levy their actual decision on sanctions. They don't just say "ok what you self-sanctioned is good enough for us, carry on." The NCAA is ALWAYS harder on you when you literally ADMIT GUILT. Dmj is too feeble minded to understand that though.Chicat wrote:You actually haven’t proven that any difficulty we may be experiencing in recruiting right now is tied to impending sanctions. It certainly did not hurt us this past recruiting cycle.
And as you’ve pointed out, self sanctioning would do absolutely nothing to speed up the NCAA’s timeline. I can’t remember a school self imposing a punishment and the NCAA coming in a couple weeks later with their own punishment or verdict. All self sanctioning would have likely done is lost us the majority of the ‘19/20 class and we might still be sitting here wondering about ‘20/21 and beyond.
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BYU self-sanctioned, the NCAA sanctioned more.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/n ... /38459199/" target="_blank
Ole Miss self-sanctioned, the NCAA sanctioned more.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/s ... tions-ncaa" target="_blank
Hell Arizona self-sanctioned for buying Jamelle Horne a slice of pizza and the NCAA sanctioned us more.
It's what they do. You're either willfully ignorant to this process or you're trolling dmj. I really hope it's the latter.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/n ... /38459199/" target="_blank
Ole Miss self-sanctioned, the NCAA sanctioned more.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/s ... tions-ncaa" target="_blank
Hell Arizona self-sanctioned for buying Jamelle Horne a slice of pizza and the NCAA sanctioned us more.
It's what they do. You're either willfully ignorant to this process or you're trolling dmj. I really hope it's the latter.
Re: let's talk '20
Olsondogg wrote:If you are arguing to "self-sanction" then yes, you are an idiot. There doesn't need to be more discussion about it...you are just an idiot.
Self-sanctioning should never, ever be done. Period.
And your rational argument for not proactively dealing with Books mess is??????????????
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Can you provide an example of a school that self sanctioned and the NCAA stated it would not have penalized them as much?dmjcat wrote:The vast majority of schools that self sanction don't face additional penalties.
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You can self sanction and still be sanctioned additionally. 8t would still be hanging over us, and the NCAA could use it as a confession of guilt.dmjcat wrote:UA is NOT UNC. Just ask Puff Johnson.Chicat wrote:Yeah, same thing that happened to UNC resulting in ..... *checks notes* ..... two Final Fours and a National Championship.dmjcat wrote:The impending NCAA sanctions hanging over the UA like a Sword of Damocles is obviously hurting us in this recruiting cycle.
We should have been proactive and dealt with this mess 18 months ago.
At this point its difficult to realistically make the argument that we shouldn't have self sanctioned. What would have happened if we had?
1) We would have avoided the embarrassment of the Buffalo beat-down on National TV
2) We would not have the sanctions boogey-man hanging over our heads.......and screwing up our 2020 recruiting
3) We would already be 18 months past the bad headlines.....and all of the talking heads would be picking on some
other program
Self sanctioning would be a horrendous strategy, and our current recruiting class clearly shows we can still recruit.
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ChooChooCat wrote:BYU self-sanctioned, the NCAA sanctioned more.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/n ... /38459199/" target="_blank
Ole Miss self-sanctioned, the NCAA sanctioned more.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/s ... tions-ncaa" target="_blank
Hell Arizona self-sanctioned for buying Jamelle Horne a slice of pizza and the NCAA sanctioned us more.
It's what they do. You're either willfully ignorant to this process or you're trolling dmj. I really hope it's the latter.
And the VAST majority of schools that self sanction DON't get hit with additional sanctions. If you don't know that (or are unwilling to admit it) then you shouldn't be posting on message boards.
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Self sanctioning would be beyond idiotic
i was going to put the ua/asu records here...but i forgot what they were.
i'll just go with fuck asu.
i'll just go with fuck asu.
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They fired Book immediately. The only way to take it further would've been to fire Sean Miller. Is that what you would've proposed?dmjcat wrote:Olsondogg wrote:If you are arguing to "self-sanction" then yes, you are an idiot. There doesn't need to be more discussion about it...you are just an idiot.
Self-sanctioning should never, ever be done. Period.
And your rational argument for not proactively dealing with Books mess is??????????????
Hell the AD even overreacted and fired Mark Phelps without having proof FFS. Right or wrong or both they certainly dealt with the messes they felt they had. Now from a PR standpoint yeah...they dropped the ball significantly there by not combatting any and all bogus reporting.
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My rational argument is stated in this thread by multiple posters who know more than you do about the way things work, apparently.dmjcat wrote:Olsondogg wrote:If you are arguing to "self-sanction" then yes, you are an idiot. There doesn't need to be more discussion about it...you are just an idiot.
Self-sanctioning should never, ever be done. Period.
And your rational argument for not proactively dealing with Books mess is??????????????
I'm done with your "look at me" naysaying bullshit.
I fly like a hawk, or better yet an eagle--a seagull. I sniff suckers out like a beagle...My ego is off and running and gone, Cause I'm about the best and if you diss than that's wrong
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Ok. Goodbye troll.dmjcat wrote:ChooChooCat wrote:BYU self-sanctioned, the NCAA sanctioned more.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/n ... /38459199/" target="_blank
Ole Miss self-sanctioned, the NCAA sanctioned more.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/s ... tions-ncaa" target="_blank
Hell Arizona self-sanctioned for buying Jamelle Horne a slice of pizza and the NCAA sanctioned us more.
It's what they do. You're either willfully ignorant to this process or you're trolling dmj. I really hope it's the latter.
And the VAST majority of schools that self sanction DON't get hit with additional sanctions. If you don't know that (or are unwilling to admit it) then you shouldn't be posting on message boards.
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LOL, thats about the 10th time you have made that statement in the past couple of years.ChooChooCat wrote:Ok. Goodbye troll.dmjcat wrote:ChooChooCat wrote:BYU self-sanctioned, the NCAA sanctioned more.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/n ... /38459199/" target="_blank
Ole Miss self-sanctioned, the NCAA sanctioned more.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/s ... tions-ncaa" target="_blank
Hell Arizona self-sanctioned for buying Jamelle Horne a slice of pizza and the NCAA sanctioned us more.
It's what they do. You're either willfully ignorant to this process or you're trolling dmj. I really hope it's the latter.
And the VAST majority of schools that self sanction DON't get hit with additional sanctions. If you don't know that (or are unwilling to admit it) then you shouldn't be posting on message boards.
My argument stands (and not very many people have made a cognizant response other than name-calling) The constant drip-drip-drip
Chinese torture of this whole mess would have been better dealt with 18 months age.
Now if Miller turns recruiting around, and the NCAA decides not to sanction us, and the press gets off our back........then I will cheerfully admit I was wrong. Which is obviously a lot more than some posters are capable of doing.
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I think dmjcat just hates Nico and Josh and Zeke....because self sanctioning means we probably get none of them.
At this point I just want to ride out the storm and then dump Sean Miller after we come out the other end and get an actually decent in game coach. Granted I am probably in the minority who thinks Sean Miller is not a top 25 coach (great recruiter) who can take us where we all want to go.
At this point I just want to ride out the storm and then dump Sean Miller after we come out the other end and get an actually decent in game coach. Granted I am probably in the minority who thinks Sean Miller is not a top 25 coach (great recruiter) who can take us where we all want to go.