Tommy Lloyd

[TheCat]

So, for a first time in a long time post, in general, I get any pushback.

I’ll begin by saying what this post isn’t: it is not me demanding Lloyd be on hot seat. I can see and appreciate the small changes (but big for Lloyd) that he’s made to radically change the fortunes of the season and improve the upside of the roster. I’ll argue some it it was forced on him with Krivas injury, and I’ll argue some of it is still slow-played as I’d like to see more from Carter right now, but needed to see more from him earlier and early in Big12 play so he could be more settled now.

What I will say is Tommy has a BIG recruiting problem for several reasons.

1. He’s better with transfers but Transfers will dry up after all the Covid Seniors are done. Redshirts aren’t a thing, so he’s going to need to be super aggressive early or he will not get the level of Pelle or Ballo or Awaka and especially Bradley or Love types of multi-year transfers.

2. His “special” offers and isolated recruitment of just a handful of prospects per class has him too limited in a time players have too much leverage. We have see Lloyd get bullied by NIL for years now. Kaluma, KJ Evans, Will Riley and this season with Tounde prior to Baylor commit, and now having time used to leverage more NIL/guarantees from Arizona/Tommy because Koa and Burries are his only plays left.

3. He does not offer early enough to create special relationships and does not eval, recruit, offer enough to have options. He needs 20+ offers per class. He needs them by start of junior year. In 2025 he had like 8 real offers, 3 of which used Arizona offer to leverage NIL elsewhere (Tounde, Khemena, Mikal Brown), and the backups all decided early”. Right now he has 4 total offers for 2026 and 2027 with just one commit in 2025.

4. Thus far he has not recruited to scheme and needs as much as you’d think. His greatest success came with Miller recruits. He’s mimic’d Mathurin with Love, but he’s not come close to finding Terry or Koloko in 3 classes. Not even in Transfer. He hasn’t prioritized shooting enough. And his International have been largely mismatches as his system needs athletic versatile bigs like Henri, not plodders like Krivas, and doesn’t need high usage ball stoppers like Bal or Pauli, although I think Pauli had a place on this team in place of Townsend.

5. Winger once said the Euro recruits would impact Prep Recruiting. But Tommy has not over-recruited Europe over Domestic Preps in 2 cycles. But something is slow playing how domestic preps and coaches and handlers use Tommy and Arizona and view Tommy and Arizona. Hopefully Carter Bryant developing and getting drafted helps remedy this. Hopefully he helps land a Burries and a Koa Peat.

But right now Tommy isn’t getting the top-transfers in a transfer market getting tighter on talent and inflated in need/price, and he’s not landing the isolated special preps he “focuses” on in the numbers or the timing needed to make smart roster decisions.

There’s a chance Koa doesn’t decide until the Portal. So, he won’t know the following:
1. If he has Carter due to NBA testing
2. If he has Koa due to him waiting to see Carter and if portal woes open new NIL options.
3. If he needs to recruit the portal for a starting caliber PF because of Koa.

In my opinion Tommy needs to do the following:

1. Have 20+ offers out by start of junior year. Smarter evals of skill, fit, patience, etc. Recruit ranks 40-85 hard. Offer 5 or so in the 85-120 range for long term development hoping one sticks. We are wasting scholarships on walk-ons. And offer 6-10 in the 1-40 range and do it early, but sophomore year (unlike Cody Williams).

2. Use Europe intermittently for wing-forward/center types with athleticism. That’s it. The Henri Philosophy.

3. Use portal to recruit one traditional transfer sophomore or junior every year.

But domestic prep recruiting has to become more of a focus. Recruit wing athletes with motors, recruit physical point of attack guards, recruit a mix of bruisers and athlete up front. Make sure some are facilitators, make sure some are shooters.

This team is almost fortunate to be this good. Roster is a mess. The Krivas injury simplified things and allowed for Henri to be used more alongside Trey and Carter uses more at PF alongside Awaka, or both Carter and Henri used together. How Krivas fits back in is beyond me. He’s a lesser Ballo with worse hands and worse perimeter quickness.

Stephen is a project but is the Brute type I know we need and Tommy must sell him on the Awaka role but with Athleticism and height.

But wing shooting and facilitation is iffy even with Burries and bad without even if Bradley returns.

Hope this doesn’t feel too bleak. Probably what happens when I take 2 years worth of my critiques and make one post out of it.

But Arizona should not be struggling this badly with domestic recruiting. We have enough of a NIL and success to be at the top of 30 players options, but the Tommy squeeze has us choking a bit too often.

That said, and here’s the hope, if Tommy can have a team like this year competing this hard with this many obvious flaws, imagine what he can do when recruiting catches up to his development and scheme?

He’s a keeper. But he needs to learn, adapt, grow, and do it faster than small steps in half a decade.

Well I don't agree with some of the things you have said an actually find that they have no basis in reality. I will point out a few:
1. "Transfers will dry up after all the Covid Seniors are done." Well either you have not been following the number of players (especially underclassman not affected by COVID) that are now transferring or you have some insight that the rest of the basketball world does not seem to grasp.

2." He’s going to need to be super aggressive early or he will not get the level of Pelle or Ballo or Awaka". I'm not sure I even understand this since his strategy pulled in Awaka and if you think Ballo was a high level transfer we just disagree on that. That high level transfer averaged about 1.5 points per game. Tommy along with the conditioning staff developed Ballo. That high level transfer averaged about 1.5 points per game. Period.

3. "He hasn’t prioritized shooting enough." AGREED. Although I think we picked up a good shooter in ADO he can not play defense good enough to stay on the floor and he can't use his other skills to get his shot off. A situational player only. Carter Bryant is an exception but he is sometimes loss on defense but has really surprised me with his rebounding (++)

4. "his system needs athletic versatile bigs like Henri, not plodders like Krivas" First we completely disagree about the value of Krivas. I don't see him as a plodder at all. I think he would be our best big this year and I love all of them. Athletic versatile big hardly describes Ballo or Hunter Dickerson or last years player of the year from Purdue. I think Tommy has figured out a way to capitalize on the skills of his bigs and recognize them for what they are. I also think the thought process was to use Henri and Krivas in a high low situation but injury curtailed that.

5. "He does not offer early enough to create special relationships and does not eval, recruit, offer enough to have options." It is interesting when players are asked who is contacting them the most I often hear Arizona in the mix. This includes folks that have decided to go elsewhere. I think it is a matter of recruiting styles and some are shotgun recruiter (Miller)and some are precision recruiters. Don't know which one is better. It brought us Carter and a 5 star next year. Could it be better? Sure we could have 5 five stars.
You have no idea how many players the staff evaluates so not sure how you know it is not enough.

The last thing I will fall back on is results. Did anyone here think we would be tied for second in the BIG 12 at this point? I think it is likely we end up 4th. Did anyone realistically see us in the top 20 in the country after losing 80% of our starters? We walk on a razors edge with this team. They have performed well and I contribute that to good coaching and player development. If you recall when everyone nationally was surprised at Henri there was one that was not. Tommy. Said we never forgot about him and believed in him.

[dmjcat]

So, for a first time in a long time post, in general, I get any pushback.

I’ll begin by saying what this post isn’t: it is not me demanding Lloyd be on hot seat. I can see and appreciate the small changes (but big for Lloyd) that he’s made to radically change the fortunes of the season and improve the upside of the roster. I’ll argue some it it was forced on him with Krivas injury, and I’ll argue some of it is still slow-played as I’d like to see more from Carter right now, but needed to see more from him earlier and early in Big12 play so he could be more settled now.

What I will say is Tommy has a BIG recruiting problem for several reasons.

1. He’s better with transfers but Transfers will dry up after all the Covid Seniors are done. Redshirts aren’t a thing, so he’s going to need to be super aggressive early or he will not get the level of Pelle or Ballo or Awaka and especially Bradley or Love types of multi-year transfers.

2. His “special” offers and isolated recruitment of just a handful of prospects per class has him too limited in a time players have too much leverage. We have see Lloyd get bullied by NIL for years now. Kaluma, KJ Evans, Will Riley and this season with Tounde prior to Baylor commit, and now having time used to leverage more NIL/guarantees from Arizona/Tommy because Koa and Burries are his only plays left.

3. He does not offer early enough to create special relationships and does not eval, recruit, offer enough to have options. He needs 20+ offers per class. He needs them by start of junior year. In 2025 he had like 8 real offers, 3 of which used Arizona offer to leverage NIL elsewhere (Tounde, Khemena, Mikal Brown), and the backups all decided early”. Right now he has 4 total offers for 2026 and 2027 with just one commit in 2025.

4. Thus far he has not recruited to scheme and needs as much as you’d think. His greatest success came with Miller recruits. He’s mimic’d Mathurin with Love, but he’s not come close to finding Terry or Koloko in 3 classes. Not even in Transfer. He hasn’t prioritized shooting enough. And his International have been largely mismatches as his system needs athletic versatile bigs like Henri, not plodders like Krivas, and doesn’t need high usage ball stoppers like Bal or Pauli, although I think Pauli had a place on this team in place of Townsend.

5. Winger once said the Euro recruits would impact Prep Recruiting. But Tommy has not over-recruited Europe over Domestic Preps in 2 cycles. But something is slow playing how domestic preps and coaches and handlers use Tommy and Arizona and view Tommy and Arizona. Hopefully Carter Bryant developing and getting drafted helps remedy this. Hopefully he helps land a Burries and a Koa Peat.

But right now Tommy isn’t getting the top-transfers in a transfer market getting tighter on talent and inflated in need/price, and he’s not landing the isolated special preps he “focuses” on in the numbers or the timing needed to make smart roster decisions.

There’s a chance Koa doesn’t decide until the Portal. So, he won’t know the following:
1. If he has Carter due to NBA testing
2. If he has Koa due to him waiting to see Carter and if portal woes open new NIL options.
3. If he needs to recruit the portal for a starting caliber PF because of Koa.

In my opinion Tommy needs to do the following:

1. Have 20+ offers out by start of junior year. Smarter evals of skill, fit, patience, etc. Recruit ranks 40-85 hard. Offer 5 or so in the 85-120 range for long term development hoping one sticks. We are wasting scholarships on walk-ons. And offer 6-10 in the 1-40 range and do it early, but sophomore year (unlike Cody Williams).

2. Use Europe intermittently for wing-forward/center types with athleticism. That’s it. The Henri Philosophy.

3. Use portal to recruit one traditional transfer sophomore or junior every year.

But domestic prep recruiting has to become more of a focus. Recruit wing athletes with motors, recruit physical point of attack guards, recruit a mix of bruisers and athlete up front. Make sure some are facilitators, make sure some are shooters.

This team is almost fortunate to be this good. Roster is a mess. The Krivas injury simplified things and allowed for Henri to be used more alongside Trey and Carter uses more at PF alongside Awaka, or both Carter and Henri used together. How Krivas fits back in is beyond me. He’s a lesser Ballo with worse hands and worse perimeter quickness.

Stephen is a project but is the Brute type I know we need and Tommy must sell him on the Awaka role but with Athleticism and height.

But wing shooting and facilitation is iffy even with Burries and bad without even if Bradley returns.

Hope this doesn’t feel too bleak. Probably what happens when I take 2 years worth of my critiques and make one post out of it.

But Arizona should not be struggling this badly with domestic recruiting. We have enough of a NIL and success to be at the top of 30 players options, but the Tommy squeeze has us choking a bit too often.

That said, and here’s the hope, if Tommy can have a team like this year competing this hard with this many obvious flaws, imagine what he can do when recruiting catches up to his development and scheme?

He’s a keeper. But he needs to learn, adapt, grow, and do it faster than small steps in half a decade.

I would tend to disagree with you on several points:

2. His “special” offers and isolated recruitment of just a handful of prospects per class has him too limited in a time players have too much leverage. We have see Lloyd get bullied by NIL for years now. Kaluma, KJ Evans, Will Riley and this season with Tounde prior to Baylor commit, and now having time used to leverage more NIL/guarantees from Arizona/Tommy because Koa and Burries are his only plays left.

3. He does not offer early enough to create special relationships and does not eval, recruit, offer enough to have options. He needs 20+ offers per class. He needs them by start of junior year. In 2025 he had like 8 real offers, 3 of which used Arizona offer to leverage NIL elsewhere (Tounde, Khemena, Mikal Brown), and the backups all decided early”. Right now he has 4 total offers for 2026 and 2027 with just one commit in 2025.


The reality is that I don't believe you (or anyone else outside the program) knows just how many offers CTL is putting out or how early he is offering. CTL has been extremely close to the vest when it comes to recruiting.....unlike Miller who had assistants like Book who were blabbering to all sorts of "journalists".

But Arizona should not be struggling this badly with domestic recruiting. We have enough of a NIL and success to be at the top of 30 players options, but the Tommy squeeze has us choking a bit too often.

We do NOT have the NIL/Money to be going all in on Top 30 players. Based on what we know of NIL it would appear that the UA is definitely NOT in the Top 20. And with revenue sharing coming into effect next year our position is going to get MUCH worse. How far we fall in the pecking order is anyones guess but we know that all of the SEC/B1G as well as a dozen or so well funded schools are going to pony up the $20M + to their football/basketball players. Thats a hell of a lot of additional $$$$$$$$$ which the UA will not be able to match. We are definitely going to be in the 50+ range when it comes to compensation in football and basketball won't be much better. Both Brennan and CTL are going to be carrying plastic forks to machine gun battles when it comes to recruiting.

A more realistic recruiting strategy would be to:

1) Leverage CTL's experience in Europe to continue to attract high level Euros
2) Concentrate on the 51-100 (4 star) basketball players in the US. Its just a waste of time to pursue the Top 25 when
we simply can't afford them. We could put all of our eggs in 1 basket and try to get 1 or 2 top players but you need 7-8 players
to be competitive
3) Carefully pick what talent is available in the Portal. We won't be competitive for the top players (Think ADO/Townsend level players) but
we may be able to plug a few holes.

The UA needs to be a developmental program. A place where the Non-Elite can come and develop. Hopefully we can get at least 1-2 years
out of a player before they run for greener pastures

In the meantime we need to pray for Congressional action to put at least some sort of "Amateur" back in in College athletics. Guardrails on NIL/Revenue sharing that would severely restrict what players can receive is the only realistic hope for cash-strapped Arizona.

[JMarkJohns]

People arguing with me on abject facts not knowing or caring I’m privy to so much excess of communication and knowledge, that’s fine, it’s your choice.

But everything I typed holds a strong foundation in fact and reality.

People like to disagree, which is fine. I expected pushback. And some aren’t as familiar with me and my past with info/analysis.

Fact or the matter is Tommy isn’t doing near enough in any realm of recruiting and it is having on-court impacts from a talent, a depth, and a development standpoint. And it’s something not fixed in 4 recruiting cycles and hasn’t been fixed yet for the next two.

Lloyd holds a lot of upside, but he’s far from a product worth of unquestioned defense.

[dmjcat]

People arguing with me on abject facts not knowing or caring I’m privy to so much excess of communication and knowledge, that’s fine, it’s your choice.

But everything I typed holds a strong foundation in fact and reality.

People like to disagree, which is fine. I expected pushback. And some aren’t as familiar with me and my past with info/analysis.

Fact or the matter is Tommy isn’t doing near enough in any realm of recruiting and it is having on-court impacts from a talent, a depth, and a development standpoint. And it’s something not fixed in 4 recruiting cycles and hasn’t been fixed yet for the next two.

Lloyd holds a lot of upside, but he’s far from a product worth of unquestioned defense.

"Abject facts"...........Please stop.

The UA is NOT in an elite position. We are NOT in the SEC/B!G with their oversized TV$$ contracts.

We are not a rich independent like Notre Dame/Miami.

The UA athletic dept. had to be subsidized to the tune of 36.2 Million$$ last year.

Those are FACTS. They are not abject.

Some People need to wake up to the existing reality we live in. Its no longer 2014. Players are being paid large sums of money. The UA doesn't have a lot of $$$$$. We are not going to be beating out SEC/B1G teams for multiple 5 star players every year. Its really as simple as that.

I posted these articles in another thread. I suggest you read them. They are full of FACTS.

https://www.sportico.com/leagues/colleg ... 234828187/

https://www.cbssports.com/college-footb ... ncaa-next/

[JMarkJohns]

You keep harping on 5* players. I never ever made that argument. I never said Tommy should be outspending programs with big money.

I said he’s been bullied by NIL. Which is abjectly true. He has lost multiple of his “select few” offers by programs coming in late and dropping bags.

Nobody, and I mean literally nobody, has been more on top of Arizona’s issues. I have argued the worthlessness of Robbins and Heeke for years, going on half a decade bowl

I’m not a complainer.

I’m not someone who posts in every thread.

If I take the time to say something, it’s because there’s a wealth of effort and knowledge behind it.

As I said, I assumed pushback based on overperforming to that point.

Talent is a major issue. Not just immediate 5* prep talent. International talent. System fit talent. Shooting talent. Facilitation talent. Athletic talent. And, even, despite being his best used talent pool, even Transfer talent.

We can all finger point at records. But that’s the easy, superficial out.

The how and the why of things are more significant in time than the what of the now.


Again, I get I’ve not made a substantive post on basketball here in a hot minute.

But I’m not someone who just bullshits.

[MrKyle]

People arguing with me on abject facts not knowing or caring I’m privy to so much excess of communication and knowledge, that’s fine, it’s your choice.

But everything I typed holds a strong foundation in fact and reality.

People like to disagree, which is fine. I expected pushback. And some aren’t as familiar with me and my past with info/analysis.

Fact or the matter is Tommy isn’t doing near enough in any realm of recruiting and it is having on-court impacts from a talent, a depth, and a development standpoint. And it’s something not fixed in 4 recruiting cycles and hasn’t been fixed yet for the next two.

Lloyd holds a lot of upside, but he’s far from a product worth of unquestioned defense.

Good to see you back JMJ! Solid points and analysis IMO in your post.

I think the next year or two are going to be very telling on CTL in regards to recruiting, he needs to pick it up.

[Lando05]

You keep harping on 5* players. I never ever made that argument. I never said Tommy should be outspending programs with big money.

I said he’s been bullied by NIL. Which is abjectly true. He has lost multiple of his “select few” offers by programs coming in late and dropping bags.

Nobody, and I mean literally nobody, has been more on top of Arizona’s issues. I have argued the worthlessness of Robbins and Heeke for years, going on half a decade bowl

I’m not a complainer.

I’m not someone who posts in every thread.

If I take the time to say something, it’s because there’s a wealth of effort and knowledge behind it.

As I said, I assumed pushback based on overperforming to that point.

Talent is a major issue. Not just immediate 5* prep talent. International talent. System fit talent. Shooting talent. Facilitation talent. Athletic talent. And, even, despite being his best used talent pool, even Transfer talent.

We can all finger point at records. But that’s the easy, superficial out.

The how and the why of things are more significant in time than the what of the now.


Again, I get I’ve not made a substantive post on basketball here in a hot minute.

But I’m not someone who just bullshits.

You are spot on JMark and welcome back.

[Merkin]

One thing I thought odd was his presser a few days back, when Pascoe(?) asked him about Trey's concussion status. Tommy said he didn't know, he was way too busy, and he'll just wait until the doctor tells him he can play. I realize that being a head coach in the NCAA is a 70 hour a week job, but figured your players' health would be a primary concern.

Or maybe I just heard it wrong.

[Chicat]

So, for a first time in a long time post, in general, I get any pushback.

I’ll begin by saying what this post isn’t: it is not me demanding Lloyd be on hot seat….

This was an excellent post. Happy to have you back JMJ.

My question is if results matter when it comes to recruiting. If Tommy isn’t getting highly rated guys and isn’t putting tons of guys into the league, and we don’t have some huge NIL fund where we can entice players based on money alone, will he be stuck trying to coach up incomplete rosters and playing guys who aren’t BigXII level for the foreseeable future even if we are consistently vying for conference championships and top seeds in the tourney?

I think you’re right about Carter Bryant being a lynchpin there. McD’s AAs tend to attract other All Americans. If he comes back and blows up, does that give us enough juice in recruiting circles to pull in more kids like him even if we aren’t blowing them away with NIL funds.

[Merkin]

Do people really expect Bryant to be back? Seems Lloyd is all in on Koa Peat. Looking him up on 247, Houston is warmer, UA is warm.

Lloyd has said he never talks NIL first.

[JMarkJohns]

So, for a first time in a long time post, in general, I get any pushback.

I’ll begin by saying what this post isn’t: it is not me demanding Lloyd be on hot seat….

This was an excellent post. Happy to have you back JMJ.

My question is if results matter when it comes to recruiting. If Tommy isn’t getting highly rated guys and isn’t putting tons of guys into the league, and we don’t have some huge NIL fund where we can entice players based on money alone, will he be stuck trying to coach up incomplete rosters and playing guys who aren’t BigXII level for the foreseeable future even if we are consistently vying for conference championships and top seeds in the tourney?

I think you’re right about Carter Bryant being a lynchpin there. McD’s AAs tend to attract other All Americans. If he comes back and blows up, does that give us enough juice in recruiting circles to pull in more kids like him even if we aren’t blowing them away with NIL funds.

To be fair, I think Tommy is trying to play the game, he’s just slower to it. My biggest issue with this “new environment” argument is that Tommy wasn’t some old guard coach set in his ways. Gonzaga has outbid Arizona for multiple players in the Tommy era, so clearly they weren’t taken aback within the zags culture. So to me it’s a Tommy thing moreso than a Culture thing.

But he is “trying”… this year he got involved with twice the amount of 5* prospects compared to previous years. While NIL has mostly back a mid-stage conversation and bottom line determining factor, Tommy has recruited Koa and Burries and Arenas for years now and they have always been NIL focused. He updated how he approaches NIL from very communal to prioritizing NIL for certain special players.

And biggest indicator he’s willing to play the game is recruiting and securing the commit of Bryce James. Being part of the LeBron word, with an inside track for SoCal teammates/prospects, having an edge with Klutch clients (Burries and Peat, both). All of this is a good thing.

But end of the day, Arizona and Lloyd is slow or late or missing on the early eval, early offer, depth of offer scene.

Yes, for some 5*… I’ll never understand not recruiting Cody Williams hard until the last 6 months of this recruitment.

But mostly for the 40-85 range prospects that we almost never offer en masse and mostly not until it’s too late.

This shift in NIL could be a good thing for Transfers, where, which improved Prep recruiting/development, eventually the Transfer NIL can be pooled and used in a better quality transfer, earlier in the process.

Of course, if Arizona can rally its brand and tap into its Billion Dollar Contract Alumni, maybe leverage LeBron for some strategic partnerships to improve NIL, then Arizona will have some advantages.

Until then, my focus for Tommy prioritizing more 40-85 range recruits becomes more important. Gotta get it figured out.

[JMarkJohns]

Do people really expect Bryant to be back? Seems Lloyd is all in on Koa Peat. Looking him up on 247, Houston is warmer, UA is warm.

Lloyd has said he never talks NIL first.

Houston already has multiple 5* frontcourt players, and Koa is looking for opportunity as much as NIL. Now, I am of the mindset a Peat/Arizona commit is a transactional one, not one of actually wanting to attend Arizona. He has had many opportunities to commit to Arizona and hasn’t. Same with Burries. Maybe it’s just to ink every ounce of NIL leverage out of things, or, they are still open to new opportunities.

Supposedly Arizona is recruiting each very hard. This is good. Just hope it plus new NIL shift is good enough for at least one of them.

[JMarkJohns]

TucsonClip, not sure he posts here as much as he used, has used what San Diego State is doing as an example of what Arizona should be doing in evals, who and how many and when, and priority, and development.

Given they have overachieved in March where Tommy has underachieved, and given we recruited one of their types to maximize in our system, yeah, I’d say he’s on to something.

[Beachcat97]

Do people really expect Bryant to be back? Seems Lloyd is all in on Koa Peat. Looking him up on 247, Houston is warmer, UA is warm.

Lloyd has said he never talks NIL first.

Reading the tea leaves, I don't expect KP to come to AZ.

[JMarkJohns]

Do people really expect Bryant to be back? Seems Lloyd is all in on Koa Peat. Looking him up on 247, Houston is warmer, UA is warm.

Lloyd has said he never talks NIL first.

Reading the tea leaves, I don't expect KP to come to AZ.

It’s a coin flip, but several do anticipate him coming, but he will likely be the absolute last to commit and it was be after all the roster dust settles and he can assess:

1. Immediate opportunity
2. NIL
3. System fit
4. NBA Defections/Transfers
5. Coaching/Firings

Arizona will likely check off all or most of these boxes for them. Will largely depend on if a new team with need and maybe larger role or NIL is created from 4 and 5.

[Beachcat97]

Do people really expect Bryant to be back? Seems Lloyd is all in on Koa Peat. Looking him up on 247, Houston is warmer, UA is warm.

Lloyd has said he never talks NIL first.

Reading the tea leaves, I don't expect KP to come to AZ.

It’s a coin flip, but several do anticipate him coming, but he will likely be the absolute last to commit and it was be after all the roster dust settles and he can assess:

1. Immediate opportunity
2. NIL
3. System fit
4. NBA Defections/Transfers
5. Coaching/Firings

Arizona will likely check off all or most of these boxes for them. Will largely depend on if a new team with need and maybe larger role or NIL is created from 4 and 5.

The only guy I absolutely expect to leave early is Bryant. KJ would be smart to test the waters. Maybe Bradley.

[JMarkJohns]

KJ tested last year. Not sure he can again and return. I don’t recall if Bradley did or didn’t. Both are fringe NBA but could stick with a halfway decent 35/36% perimeter shot.

Carter should test, but return. He’s a floater right now. He doesn’t impose a single thing and only plays well as the game, scheme, or inconsistent perimeter shot allow.

Tommy needs to be frank with him and discuss what happened with Dalen. He’s now a lame duck contract barely playing for a potential fired coach in a movement more likely to clean house entirely than develop previous regime’s draftees, and still no actual NBA skill beyond Swiss army upside.

[TheCat]

People arguing with me on abject facts not knowing or caring I’m privy to so much excess of communication and knowledge, that’s fine, it’s your choice.

But everything I typed holds a strong foundation in fact and reality.

People like to disagree, which is fine. I expected pushback. And some aren’t as familiar with me and my past with info/analysis.

Fact or the matter is Tommy isn’t doing near enough in any realm of recruiting and it is having on-court impacts from a talent, a depth, and a development standpoint. And it’s something not fixed in 4 recruiting cycles and hasn’t been fixed yet for the next two.

Lloyd holds a lot of upside, but he’s far from a product worth of unquestioned defense.

JMJ you are categorically wrong about transfers drying up. Show me one statistic other than your superior knowledge/connections that prove that. You are just wrong and won't admit it. Period. End of discussion. Just look at how many people are in the portal year by year. Numbers ain't going down. No one is providing "unquestionable defense" of Tommy Lloyd. What we are recognizing is his results after 3.5 years. Second most wins in 3 years ever. 10th fastest to 100 victories, second place currently (I think we will end up 4th) in the BIG 12 which everyone wondered if we could compete. Where is that in your "not hot seat" analysis?
I don't know what your credentials are, I am unfamiliar with your past analysis/info or who your contacts are. I do know that you undervalue Krivas. I heard that from many good sources including our coach as well as some national announcers (not sure that is a great source).
Just one last question...if your players are lacking and you are not developing them and getting bad transfers how are you successful in your first year in a tougher league? I guess I'll just ponder that for awhile.

[Winger]

Killer read thanks JMJ et al.

[azcat49]

Never will understand the NBA or kids jumping to quick. Terry wasn’t ready and now he will pay the price. KJ is no where near ready and Bryant needs another year and show he can be the man and has that type of attitude.

[Chicat]

Terry wasn’t ready but he got a draft slot promise and decided to take the leap rather than come back and risk injury (or get found out that he couldn’t shoot or really handle the ball).

I don’t blame him at all.

[JMarkJohns]

Terry wasn’t ready but he got a draft slot promise and decided to take the leap rather than come back and risk injury (or get found out that he couldn’t shoot or really handle the ball).

I don’t blame him at all.

The worst thing for a young player is to enter the NBA unplayable. Terry was basically unplayable for 2 years and even now in his third is spot minutes.

Not a guarantee, but entering with a more mature mindset and developed skillset can almost guarantee a role and likelier second contract. Pelle is already a Heat fan favorite and NOBODY would have guessed he was a rotation player as an NBA rookie over how little Terry is as a third year back in 2022.

It chalks up to developed mentality and NBA skills, even if not elite, they don’t lose you games.

[JMarkJohns]

People arguing with me on abject facts not knowing or caring I’m privy to so much excess of communication and knowledge, that’s fine, it’s your choice.

But everything I typed holds a strong foundation in fact and reality.

People like to disagree, which is fine. I expected pushback. And some aren’t as familiar with me and my past with info/analysis.

Fact or the matter is Tommy isn’t doing near enough in any realm of recruiting and it is having on-court impacts from a talent, a depth, and a development standpoint. And it’s something not fixed in 4 recruiting cycles and hasn’t been fixed yet for the next two.

Lloyd holds a lot of upside, but he’s far from a product worth of unquestioned defense.

JMJ you are categorically wrong about transfers drying up. Show me one statistic other than your superior knowledge/connections that prove that. You are just wrong and won't admit it. Period. End of discussion. Just look at how many people are in the portal year by year. Numbers ain't going down. No one is providing "unquestionable defense" of Tommy Lloyd. What we are recognizing is his results after 3.5 years. Second most wins in 3 years ever. 10th fastest to 100 victories, second place currently (I think we will end up 4th) in the BIG 12 which everyone wondered if we could compete. Where is that in your "not hot seat" analysis?
I don't know what your credentials are, I am unfamiliar with your past analysis/info or who your contacts are. I do know that you undervalue Krivas. I heard that from many good sources including our coach as well as some national announcers (not sure that is a great source).
Just one last question...if your players are lacking and you are not developing them and getting bad transfers how are you successful in your first year in a tougher league? I guess I'll just ponder that for awhile.

Man, I love being taken out of context.

Yes, 100% fact certain kinds of transfers will dry up. There will not be as many because the 5th Year Covid players are now done. This flooded the market yearly. They are gone. This will have a trickle down to the immediate impact nature of upper classmen transfers and those highly talented underclassmen will become more heavily sought after and thus someone like Lloyd in patience or lack of NIL aggression or whatever, will not even be in position to find his middling transfer prospects like Larsson and Ballo and Bradley.

[Merkin]

Never will understand the NBA or kids jumping to quick. Terry wasn’t ready and now he will pay the price. KJ is no where near ready and Bryant needs another year and show he can be the man and has that type of attitude.

Some kids just don't like going to school. Chance Comanche comes to mind who was late 2nd round at best. Have to deal with homework and deadlines, or just play basketball for a decent living. I have no problem with that at all.

[UAEebs86]

Never will understand the NBA or kids jumping to quick. Terry wasn’t ready and now he will pay the price. KJ is no where near ready and Bryant needs another year and show he can be the man and has that type of attitude.

Some kids just don't like going to school. Chance Comanche comes to mind who was late 2nd round at best. Have to deal with homework and deadlines, or just play basketball for a decent living. I have no problem with that at all.

Well he's really killing it now.

Too soon?

[dmjcat]

People arguing with me on abject facts not knowing or caring I’m privy to so much excess of communication and knowledge, that’s fine, it’s your choice.

But everything I typed holds a strong foundation in fact and reality.

People like to disagree, which is fine. I expected pushback. And some aren’t as familiar with me and my past with info/analysis.

Fact or the matter is Tommy isn’t doing near enough in any realm of recruiting and it is having on-court impacts from a talent, a depth, and a development standpoint. And it’s something not fixed in 4 recruiting cycles and hasn’t been fixed yet for the next two.

Lloyd holds a lot of upside, but he’s far from a product worth of unquestioned defense.

JMJ you are categorically wrong about transfers drying up. Show me one statistic other than your superior knowledge/connections that prove that. You are just wrong and won't admit it. Period. End of discussion. Just look at how many people are in the portal year by year. Numbers ain't going down. No one is providing "unquestionable defense" of Tommy Lloyd. What we are recognizing is his results after 3.5 years. Second most wins in 3 years ever. 10th fastest to 100 victories, second place currently (I think we will end up 4th) in the BIG 12 which everyone wondered if we could compete. Where is that in your "not hot seat" analysis?
I don't know what your credentials are, I am unfamiliar with your past analysis/info or who your contacts are. I do know that you undervalue Krivas. I heard that from many good sources including our coach as well as some national announcers (not sure that is a great source).
Just one last question...if your players are lacking and you are not developing them and getting bad transfers how are you successful in your first year in a tougher league? I guess I'll just ponder that for awhile.

Man, I love being taken out of context.

Yes, 100% fact certain kinds of transfers will dry up. There will not be as many because the 5th Year Covid players are now done. This flooded the market yearly. They are gone. This will have a trickle down to the immediate impact nature of upper classmen transfers and those highly talented underclassmen will become more heavily sought after and thus someone like Lloyd in patience or lack of NIL aggression or whatever, will not even be in position to find his middling transfer prospects like Larsson and Ballo and Bradley.

Wrong again. NCAA statistics show the number of players entering the portal is increasing.......not decreasing.

https://www.ncaa.org/sports/2022/4/25/t ... rends.aspx

[JMarkJohns]

I can’t be wrong.

Literally the 5th Year Covid Seniors are all gone. They are done. Which means much of the immediate impact transfers are diminished.

You keep arguing things I’m not arguing. Both of you.

Stop it.

I said specific types of transfers are done, which directly impacts top-end impact, which then creates a deficit market.

I don’t care about options. Townsend and Dell’Orso were options. I said quality impact options are decreasing which boosts the opportunities of the middle-pack type of Transfer Tommy has more successfully landed. In the future, they are going where the NIL and opportunities are, not coming to Arizona to come off the bench for a year or more.

I didn’t stutter.

[Chicat]

NCAA statistics show the number of players entering the portal is increasing.......not decreasing.

https://www.ncaa.org/sports/2022/4/25/t ... rends.aspx

Congrats, you’ve proved there were still Covid transfers in 2023.

[Chicat]

Terry wasn’t ready but he got a draft slot promise and decided to take the leap rather than come back and risk injury (or get found out that he couldn’t shoot or really handle the ball).

I don’t blame him at all.

The worst thing for a young player is to enter the NBA unplayable. Terry was basically unplayable for 2 years and even now in his third is spot minutes.

Not a guarantee, but entering with a more mature mindset and developed skillset can almost guarantee a role and likelier second contract. Pelle is already a Heat fan favorite and NOBODY would have guessed he was a rotation player as an NBA rookie over how little Terry is as a third year back in 2022.

It chalks up to developed mentality and NBA skills, even if not elite, they don’t lose you games.

I don’t disagree with anything you’ve said here, but Dalen had to make a business decision about his immediate future and about taking care of some people close to him. Did he make the right choice long term? HIGHLY debatable obviously, but for where he was drafted versus his actual skill set, he could have done a lot worse. I don’t know that he would have gotten better skills-wise in college, and in fact he may have stagnated.

[JMarkJohns]

NCAA statistics show the number of players entering the portal is increasing.......not decreasing.

https://www.ncaa.org/sports/2022/4/25/t ... rends.aspx

Congrats, you’ve proved there were still Covid transfers in 2023.

Remove the Covid Upperclassmen of 2023-2025 and you remove many of the proven and immediate impact options. Which means upside will once again become important. Liked getting former McDAA Bradley to transfer here mid-May as a backup option when Nembhard went sideways? Tough. He won’t be available as a backup option any longer and will certainly have more options for immediate PT and bigger NIL.

That’s my point. The types of Transfers Tommy had done well with have been from the middle-tier, secondary markets. His transfer rankings are pretty low. His production from his transfers is high vs expectation, but his actual transfer class ranks are low.

He has missed on several of his early priorities, and, got lucky when Caleb emerged from the Michigan debacle. Luck and Hope aren’t a strategy.

Tommy has brought in 3 transfers each of the last two classes.

That CANNOT be the norm moving forward, no matter what. Arizona doesn’t have the NIL for that, and Tommy isn’t aggressive enough in sales or leverage of options to secure the early wave of talent. If the old middle tier is the new early wave, then do we really want Arizona bringing in 3 per class from the new middle tier made up of the old lower tier? Hell No.

Nothing I’m saying should be controversial.

Tommy needs a better prep recruiting strategy, to be more aggressive earlier and more often, enter the transfer portal with a largely finished prep class, maybe even a signed one, and then leverage want not need for one, maybe two at most transfers, one immediate impact for depth, one for development as a transfer underclassman.

Then use Europe intermittently. Or recruit the transferring International talent like Ballo and Larsson.

What’s funny is my prep recruiting strategy of more early evals, more early offers would actually make Transfer Market recruiting easier because he’d have more secondary relationships. That’s how we got in with Bradley as a backup option to Nembhard. Tommy recruited Bradley as a senior.

[azcat49]

Terry wasn’t ready but he got a draft slot promise and decided to take the leap rather than come back and risk injury (or get found out that he couldn’t shoot or really handle the ball).

I don’t blame him at all.

Nor do I but you have to wonder if he stayed and led the team the following year, would that maturity have allowed him to stick?

I see similarities in Bryant, although CB is a much better shooter overall. If I am an NBA Scout, I would love to see CB improve his handles. Beat people off the bounce, elevate and get his own and dish some. I think another year would do him well

[JMarkJohns]

Terry wasn’t ready but he got a draft slot promise and decided to take the leap rather than come back and risk injury (or get found out that he couldn’t shoot or really handle the ball).

I don’t blame him at all.

Nor do I but you have to wonder if he stayed and led the team the following year, would that maturity have allowed him to stick?

I see similarities in Bryant, although CB is a much better shooter overall. If I am an NBA Scout, I would love to see CB improve his handles. Beat people off the bounce, elevate and get his own and dish some. I think another year would do him well

I saw a draft post a few weeks back.

Basically Carter is in bottom 10% of points from own facilitation, and isn’t viewed widely enough as a defender yet to be trusted as a 3/D prospect, and, the post went on to say historically, Carter has never flashed the shooting he is now, so many worry it’s a one-off.

Now, they drafted Terry because of secondary facilitation and switchable defense with a proven improved shot that regressed once in the NBA.

But right now Carter isn’t those first two things. To be a SF at the NBA level he needs at least the switchable defense, if not facilitation. And if he is more of a combo forward at next level, he needs to show much more toughness and consistency on outside shot to be a stretch four.

But he holds enough upside and the second half of those draft is so bad, I don’t doubt he can go pro late 1st if he chooses that option.

[SCCats]

Never will understand the NBA or kids jumping to quick.

Yeah it’s always been tough for me to understand too.

[TheCat]

Never will understand the NBA or kids jumping to quick. Terry wasn’t ready and now he will pay the price. KJ is no where near ready and Bryant needs another year and show he can be the man and has that type of attitude.

Terry was a terrible shooter except for about a month in his carreer at Arizona. He would have been crazy not to go with a guarantee.

[TucsonClip]

TucsonClip, not sure he posts here as much as he used, has used what San Diego State is doing as an example of what Arizona should be doing in evals, who and how many and when, and priority, and development.

Given they have overachieved in March where Tommy has underachieved, and given we recruited one of their types to maximize in our system, yeah, I’d say he’s on to something.

Yeah, just getting around to this, but the fact SDSU has out evaluated UA for some many guys who would have been good fits for Miller, and now Lloyd, is a bit baffling to me. I know Miller killed the recruiting trail for a while, and Lloyd is a "developer" of talent. But all these dudes could easily have played here:

Here was my post:

I don't want either to leave SDSU, but two guys id keep an eye on are Miles Byrd (former fringe Miller recruit) and Magoon Gwath

I'll tell ya what, if we could find the gem developmental guys SDSU has for a decade, id be a happy man.

Miller should have been recruiting SDSU style players, and Lloyd should be getting the Byrds, Gwath, Compton's to develop.

Get me Burries and Peat, or give me Byrd and maybe Gwath ... Or death.

Miles Byrd
Magoon Gwath
Pharaoh Compton
Keshad Johnson
Lamont Butler
Nathan Mensa
Adam Seiko
Jordan Schakel
Jalen McDaniels
Malik Pope

Like how the F is SDSU out evaluating and developing us for guys that are perfect for Miller, and even Lloyd in many cases?

You mix in a 5* like Bryant, a transfer like Bradley and one or two of those dudes to develop every year, and we're sitting pretty.

My overall point being, we need to land HS recruits who, by year 2, can be rotation players and continue developing. No more patching holes with mid major transfers to play major roles, taking the fringe overseas recruit and ignoring the dudes within 500 miles.

[JMarkJohns]

Yeah. I know we both frontlines on this issue.

[TheCat]

People arguing with me on abject facts not knowing or caring I’m privy to so much excess of communication and knowledge, that’s fine, it’s your choice.

But everything I typed holds a strong foundation in fact and reality.

People like to disagree, which is fine. I expected pushback. And some aren’t as familiar with me and my past with info/analysis.

Fact or the matter is Tommy isn’t doing near enough in any realm of recruiting and it is having on-court impacts from a talent, a depth, and a development standpoint. And it’s something not fixed in 4 recruiting cycles and hasn’t been fixed yet for the next two.

Lloyd holds a lot of upside, but he’s far from a product worth of unquestioned defense.

JMJ you are categorically wrong about transfers drying up. Show me one statistic other than your superior knowledge/connections that prove that. You are just wrong and won't admit it. Period. End of discussion. Just look at how many people are in the portal year by year. Numbers ain't going down. No one is providing "unquestionable defense" of Tommy Lloyd. What we are recognizing is his results after 3.5 years. Second most wins in 3 years ever. 10th fastest to 100 victories, second place currently (I think we will end up 4th) in the BIG 12 which everyone wondered if we could compete. Where is that in your "not hot seat" analysis?
I don't know what your credentials are, I am unfamiliar with your past analysis/info or who your contacts are. I do know that you undervalue Krivas. I heard that from many good sources including our coach as well as some national announcers (not sure that is a great source).
Just one last question...if your players are lacking and you are not developing them and getting bad transfers how are you successful in your first year in a tougher league? I guess I'll just ponder that for awhile.

Man, I love being taken out of context.

Yes, 100% fact certain kinds of transfers will dry up. There will not be as many because the 5th Year Covid players are now done. This flooded the market yearly. They are gone. This will have a trickle down to the immediate impact nature of upper classmen transfers and those highly talented underclassmen will become more heavily sought after and thus someone like Lloyd in patience or lack of NIL aggression or whatever, will not even be in position to find his middling transfer prospects like Larsson and Ballo and Bradley.

Well you have obviously not looked at the classes of the players in the portal. Of course certain transfers will dry up because they wont have eligibility. That does not mean there will be less transfers available. I would not call Larsson a middling transfer would you? Arizona will hopefully find players that fit their needs. Tobey has been great in most games especially rebounding the ball. Arizona is still running the ball when it has the opportunity. No superstars on this team just good basketball players. BYU will be a huge challenge. Caleb was able to answer every time they made a run in the last game. Hopefully able to win that one.

[Fishclamps]

Except if you take out all the covid players that could transfer it does shrink the pool, and by the same effect having less super seniors on teams across the country means there's less reason for others to enter the portal due to issues like playing time and where they fit in the rotation.

Now you're still gonna get plenty of transfers looking for a better NIL package and others who are unhappy with their minutes, but it's just straight up math that there will be less overall players in college basketball after this season.

[UAEebs86]

[TheCat]

No one is saying there is not going to be less players eligible. What I am simply trying to say is if you remove super seniors this year the number of players in the portal have increased. In other words more underclass players are in the portal. Is that inaccurate?

[TheCat]

Back to Tommy Lloyd. Anyone remember when we carved up a zone defense like last night?

Tommy will do something that only ONE team in the Big 12 was able to do last year. End the season with a winning record on the road. Pretty remarkable considering it is our first year in the conference and playing in places that support their teams.

[Fishclamps]

No one is saying there is not going to be less players eligible. What I am simply trying to say is if you remove super seniors this year the number of players in the portal have increased. In other words more underclass players are in the portal. Is that inaccurate?

I'm not saying there weren't less or more underclassmen in the portal this past cycle, I would assume there are more. It was only the 2nd cycle of the NIL era I think, so once you see how it works of course more are going to jump in.

That's not the argument though because the covid seniors were still getting ready to play their final seasons so minutes were harder to come by across every team in the country. With those extra players gone there will be more minutes to go around to players with the standard amount of eligibility. That would lead one to the conclusion that without covid seniors eating up minutes that there will be less players of any class in the portal since they will end up playing more.

[Winger]

TucsonClip, not sure he posts here as much as he used, has used what San Diego State is doing as an example of what Arizona should be doing in evals, who and how many and when, and priority, and development.

Given they have overachieved in March where Tommy has underachieved, and given we recruited one of their types to maximize in our system, yeah, I’d say he’s on to something.

Yeah, just getting around to this, but the fact SDSU has out evaluated UA for some many guys who would have been good fits for Miller, and now Lloyd, is a bit baffling to me. I know Miller killed the recruiting trail for a while, and Lloyd is a "developer" of talent. But all these dudes could easily have played here:

Here was my post:

I don't want either to leave SDSU, but two guys id keep an eye on are Miles Byrd (former fringe Miller recruit) and Magoon Gwath

I'll tell ya what, if we could find the gem developmental guys SDSU has for a decade, id be a happy man.

Miller should have been recruiting SDSU style players, and Lloyd should be getting the Byrds, Gwath, Compton's to develop.

Get me Burries and Peat, or give me Byrd and maybe Gwath ... Or death.

Miles Byrd
Magoon Gwath
Pharaoh Compton
Keshad Johnson
Lamont Butler
Nathan Mensa
Adam Seiko
Jordan Schakel
Jalen McDaniels
Malik Pope

Like how the F is SDSU out evaluating and developing us for guys that are perfect for Miller, and even Lloyd in many cases?

You mix in a 5* like Bryant, a transfer like Bradley and one or two of those dudes to develop every year, and we're sitting pretty.

My overall point being, we need to land HS recruits who, by year 2, can be rotation players and continue developing. No more patching holes with mid major transfers to play major roles, taking the fringe overseas recruit and ignoring the dudes within 500 miles.

I am with you on the job SDSU has done and I know I have posted this a million times, but, especially prior to his recruiting going off the tracks, the last thing in the world Sean Miller wanted was developmental players.

Now, as to why Lloyd can't find better transfers in this era and what in the wide wide world of sports was going through his mind on ADO and Townsend, on that I have zero clue.

[TheCat]

I can’t be wrong.

Literally the 5th Year Covid Seniors are all gone. They are done. Which means much of the immediate impact transfers are diminished.

You keep arguing things I’m not arguing. Both of you.

Stop it.

I said specific types of transfers are done, which directly impacts top-end impact, which then creates a deficit market.

I don’t care about options. Townsend and Dell’Orso were options. I said quality impact options are decreasing which boosts the opportunities of the middle-pack type of Transfer Tommy has more successfully landed. In the future, they are going where the NIL and opportunities are, not coming to Arizona to come off the bench for a year or more.

I didn’t stutter.

Here is what you said, "Transfers will dry up after all the Covid Seniors are done." You did not say all COVID transfers will lose eligibility which no one would argue. What you said was that transfers will dry up. Simply not true. In all of Division 1 transfers increased by 75% in 2023 from 2021. Transfers will not dry up and I will bet that after COVID players are gone they will increase even more. Now you're saying "Which means much of the immediate impact transfers are diminished." Of the Division 1 portal entries in 2023 going to graduate school (no breakout for COVID but I assume they are seniors) a relatively high number did not get picked up and about 8% stayed where they were. I know of no stat that says COVID seniors are more impactful but there may be one. I don't know where I would find it. The NCAA tracks if they are going to graduate school. Transfers are a new way of life and a source that I hope Arizona find success with. I agree that they will look from NIL opportunities but hopefully Tommy's development of players and style of play will be attractive and bring them to Arizona.

You didn't stutter you were just wrong.

[JMarkJohns]

You’re annoying at how much you’re overthinking things everyone else understood and even argued for.

I’m not wrong. It was abundantly clear.

You’re just incapable of understanding independent of semantics.

[azcat49]

Give it up JMJ, he is like a dog with a bone and won’t ever stop. Glad you are back and contributing here once again

[JMarkJohns]

Tommy has learned and adapted in a number ways the last two seasons. Been happy to see it. Now it must extend to prep recruitment or the talent simply will not be there consistently enough to compete at the levels we want. The writing is there. Replace Robinson with a recruiting guru, make wary ins, get quality evals by junior year, blanket 15-20 offers by junior year, follow up aggressively, leverage.

Try to bring in one impact starter, one rotation player, and on occasion one developmental player of either a facilitator, wing athlete, or mobile big.

Enter senior year knowing what is needed with last few offers or transfer market. Dont need 3 transfers yearly.

That’s the ideal.

[Frybry02]

I do not question Lloyd’s and his staff’s ability to coach. They have done a bang up job given the state of current roster. But is disappointing thinking about how good this team could be with a wing or guard that can shoot and isn’t a defensive liability.

[JMarkJohns]

I do not question Lloyd’s and his staff’s ability to coach. They have done a bang up job given the state of current roster. But is disappointing thinking about how good this team could be with a wing or guard that can shoot and isn’t a defensive liability.

Exactly. Everyone should be angry or annoyed but the iffy recruiting. Better prep recruiting unlocks everything special about Lloyd. It is the upside unseen. If he can do this with flawed teams short on NBA talent to fringe talent at best, with glaring issues like 4 centers and one playable PG, no shooting beyond one player who is your worst defender, and a transfer PF who is the most completely Mid-level player I have ever seen, then imagine if he had real players. Arizona players. Players befitting a program that has had multiple top-level NBA picks. Multiple All-Stars, several All-NBA, whose players were the first program to earn 1 Billion in career earnings at the NBA level.

It’s doable. With effort, prioritizing, strategy. Can’t be late. Can’t be slow. Can’t be indifferent. Proactive, every class, every year.

Just do it.

[Alieberman]

I'm angry and annoyed at lots of shit these days.

Tommy Lloyd and the AZ Wildcats are way the fuck down on that list though.