Re: Allonzo Trier
Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2018 10:06 pm
Shocking but Alonzo declared
Will be surprised if he makes the league
Will be surprised if he makes the league
Damn, you sound like such a dick. You won't root for TJ? For AG? For Lauri?PHXCATS wrote:Rawle and Trier should come back. For the benefit of their futures in and outside of basketball. But if they leave then so be it. Wont ever care about them again and I am sure they wont ever care about me again. And that goes for every guy after they leave UA. If they arent on the Suns I dont care. It is what it is. Dont wish them harm or bad luck, hope they all do well in life and in basketball, but I wont be following them or care to.
Does sound terribledcZONAfan wrote:Damn, you sound like such a dick. You won't root for TJ? For AG? For Lauri?PHXCATS wrote:Rawle and Trier should come back. For the benefit of their futures in and outside of basketball. But if they leave then so be it. Wont ever care about them again and I am sure they wont ever care about me again. And that goes for every guy after they leave UA. If they arent on the Suns I dont care. It is what it is. Dont wish them harm or bad luck, hope they all do well in life and in basketball, but I wont be following them or care to.
I hope they do well but I won't be paying attention to them.dcZONAfan wrote:Damn, you sound like such a dick. You won't root for TJ? For AG? For Lauri?PHXCATS wrote:Rawle and Trier should come back. For the benefit of their futures in and outside of basketball. But if they leave then so be it. Wont ever care about them again and I am sure they wont ever care about me again. And that goes for every guy after they leave UA. If they arent on the Suns I dont care. It is what it is. Dont wish them harm or bad luck, hope they all do well in life and in basketball, but I wont be following them or care to.
It's very strange to me that an Arizona fan would not really care about Arizona players in the pros or want to follow them.PHXCATS wrote:I hope they do well but I won't be paying attention to them.dcZONAfan wrote:Damn, you sound like such a dick. You won't root for TJ? For AG? For Lauri?PHXCATS wrote:Rawle and Trier should come back. For the benefit of their futures in and outside of basketball. But if they leave then so be it. Wont ever care about them again and I am sure they wont ever care about me again. And that goes for every guy after they leave UA. If they arent on the Suns I dont care. It is what it is. Dont wish them harm or bad luck, hope they all do well in life and in basketball, but I wont be following them or care to.
Like I said, don't wish any harm or bad luck on them. Hope all of them do well on and off the court. But I won't be paying attention and I won't worry about it at all
I just really don't like the NBA so that might have something to do with it.Spaceman Spiff wrote:It's very strange to me that an Arizona fan would not really care about Arizona players in the pros or want to follow them.PHXCATS wrote:I hope they do well but I won't be paying attention to them.dcZONAfan wrote:Damn, you sound like such a dick. You won't root for TJ? For AG? For Lauri?PHXCATS wrote:Rawle and Trier should come back. For the benefit of their futures in and outside of basketball. But if they leave then so be it. Wont ever care about them again and I am sure they wont ever care about me again. And that goes for every guy after they leave UA. If they arent on the Suns I dont care. It is what it is. Dont wish them harm or bad luck, hope they all do well in life and in basketball, but I wont be following them or care to.
Like I said, don't wish any harm or bad luck on them. Hope all of them do well on and off the court. But I won't be paying attention and I won't worry about it at all
Going to the NBA is like moving to Mars.Spaceman Spiff wrote:It's very strange to me that an Arizona fan would not really care about Arizona players in the pros or want to follow them.PHXCATS wrote:I hope they do well but I won't be paying attention to them.dcZONAfan wrote:Damn, you sound like such a dick. You won't root for TJ? For AG? For Lauri?PHXCATS wrote:Rawle and Trier should come back. For the benefit of their futures in and outside of basketball. But if they leave then so be it. Wont ever care about them again and I am sure they wont ever care about me again. And that goes for every guy after they leave UA. If they arent on the Suns I dont care. It is what it is. Dont wish them harm or bad luck, hope they all do well in life and in basketball, but I wont be following them or care to.
Like I said, don't wish any harm or bad luck on them. Hope all of them do well on and off the court. But I won't be paying attention and I won't worry about it at all
Spaceman Spiff wrote:It's very strange to me that an Arizona fan would not really care about Arizona players in the pros or want to follow them.PHXCATS wrote:I hope they do well but I won't be paying attention to them.dcZONAfan wrote:Damn, you sound like such a dick. You won't root for TJ? For AG? For Lauri?PHXCATS wrote:Rawle and Trier should come back. For the benefit of their futures in and outside of basketball. But if they leave then so be it. Wont ever care about them again and I am sure they wont ever care about me again. And that goes for every guy after they leave UA. If they arent on the Suns I dont care. It is what it is. Dont wish them harm or bad luck, hope they all do well in life and in basketball, but I wont be following them or care to.
Like I said, don't wish any harm or bad luck on them. Hope all of them do well on and off the court. But I won't be paying attention and I won't worry about it at all
There is a direct relation between our players in the NBA, their performance, and our future players decision to come to Arizona...PHXCATS wrote:I hope they do well but I won't be paying attention to them.dcZONAfan wrote:Damn, you sound like such a dick. You won't root for TJ? For AG? For Lauri?PHXCATS wrote:Rawle and Trier should come back. For the benefit of their futures in and outside of basketball. But if they leave then so be it. Wont ever care about them again and I am sure they wont ever care about me again. And that goes for every guy after they leave UA. If they arent on the Suns I dont care. It is what it is. Dont wish them harm or bad luck, hope they all do well in life and in basketball, but I wont be following them or care to.
Like I said, don't wish any harm or bad luck on them. Hope all of them do well on and off the court. But I won't be paying attention and I won't worry about it at all
Agree, the more people we get to the association the better and the better those people do in the association the better. But how does me, a diehard UA fan and booster, not caring about their NBA careers unless they are on the Suns hurt that?EVCat wrote:There is a direct relation between our players in the NBA, their performance, and our future players decision to come to Arizona...PHXCATS wrote:I hope they do well but I won't be paying attention to them.dcZONAfan wrote:Damn, you sound like such a dick. You won't root for TJ? For AG? For Lauri?PHXCATS wrote:Rawle and Trier should come back. For the benefit of their futures in and outside of basketball. But if they leave then so be it. Wont ever care about them again and I am sure they wont ever care about me again. And that goes for every guy after they leave UA. If they arent on the Suns I dont care. It is what it is. Dont wish them harm or bad luck, hope they all do well in life and in basketball, but I wont be following them or care to.
Like I said, don't wish any harm or bad luck on them. Hope all of them do well on and off the court. But I won't be paying attention and I won't worry about it at all
None. It just seems odd that you wouldn't care at all about a factor that impacts our recruiting. If you follow some, why wouldn't you at least check their stats, or maybe at the very least say "I don't watch...but I sure hope they kill it up there so the success impacts our recruiting?"PHXCATS wrote:Agree, the more people we get to the association the better and the better those people do in the association the better. But how does me, a diehard UA fan and booster, not caring about their NBA careers unless they are on the Suns hurt that?EVCat wrote:There is a direct relation between our players in the NBA, their performance, and our future players decision to come to Arizona...PHXCATS wrote:I hope they do well but I won't be paying attention to them.dcZONAfan wrote:Damn, you sound like such a dick. You won't root for TJ? For AG? For Lauri?PHXCATS wrote:Rawle and Trier should come back. For the benefit of their futures in and outside of basketball. But if they leave then so be it. Wont ever care about them again and I am sure they wont ever care about me again. And that goes for every guy after they leave UA. If they arent on the Suns I dont care. It is what it is. Dont wish them harm or bad luck, hope they all do well in life and in basketball, but I wont be following them or care to.
Like I said, don't wish any harm or bad luck on them. Hope all of them do well on and off the court. But I won't be paying attention and I won't worry about it at all
Ayton most definitely will!zonagrad wrote: If Trier & Ayton don't get an NBA opportunity
Ha ha. Yes, that Ayton guy might get a look.Merkin wrote:Ayton most definitely will!zonagrad wrote: If Trier & Ayton don't get an NBA opportunity
Did you mean Alkins?
At least they will have college degrees after basketball is over.....................CalStateTempe wrote:Will trier be Europe or China? Rawle?
PHXCATS wrote:At least they will have college degrees after basketball is over.....................CalStateTempe wrote:Will trier be Europe or China? Rawle?
Same here. Used to be a big Detroit Tigers and Lions fan, even the Red Wings when Gordie Howe played for them.azcat49 wrote:I have not watched an NBA games in about 5 years. In fact I watch very few professional games anymore. The level of play is outstanding but I guess their is just so much movement withe free agents and roster turnover.
Try to keep up with the cats in the league but do it mostly through the comments on this board
Same here. Actually it's nice to have my Thursday and Saturdays back without having to watch UA sports! It's good to take a break.EVCat wrote: I cannot devote the same time I used to devote to sports. I have to pick and choose.
Summers are very productive...Merkin wrote:Same here. Actually it's nice to have my Thursday and Saturdays back without having to watch UA sports! It's good to take a break.EVCat wrote: I cannot devote the same time I used to devote to sports. I have to pick and choose.
I won $20 from one of my high school teachers for that series. McClain won 30 games in the regular season. Lolich got pitched to death - his arm turned to rubber after the next season.Merkin wrote:Same here. Used to be a big Detroit Tigers and Lions fan, even the Red Wings when Gordie Howe played for them.azcat49 wrote:I have not watched an NBA games in about 5 years. In fact I watch very few professional games anymore. The level of play is outstanding but I guess their is just so much movement withe free agents and roster turnover.
Try to keep up with the cats in the league but do it mostly through the comments on this board
I can still probably name the starting lineups of the 1968 Tigers that won the World Series. Big star pitcher Denny McClain only won game in the series, fatboy Mickey Lolich won 3! Beat the mighty Bob Gibson and a tough St Louis team. Tigers had a weak hitting shortstop, so the manager Mayo Smith moved center fielder Mickey Stanley to shortstop.
Right fielder Al Kaline finished and ended his career with the Tigers, all 22 years. First basemen Norm Cash played all 15 years with the Tigers.
Do people do that any more in pro sports? Yes, I do realize that was all before free agency and bidding wars.
One of the best trades the Tigers ever made was trading Lolich for Rusty Staub. By then the DH started, and Kaline finished out his career at it making it to 3K hits he might not have made otherwise.RichardCranium wrote: I won $20 from one of my high school teachers for that series. McClain won 30 games in the regular season. Lolich got pitched to death - his arm turned to rubber after the next season.
Big D, I am a St Louis cardinal fan and I can name the starting line up for the birds as well LOL. I cried when we blew that 3 games to 1 lead. Great series though.Merkin wrote:Same here. Used to be a big Detroit Tigers and Lions fan, even the Red Wings when Gordie Howe played for them.azcat49 wrote:I have not watched an NBA games in about 5 years. In fact I watch very few professional games anymore. The level of play is outstanding but I guess their is just so much movement withe free agents and roster turnover.
Try to keep up with the cats in the league but do it mostly through the comments on this board
I can still probably name the starting lineups of the 1968 Tigers that won the World Series. Big star pitcher Denny McClain only won game in the series, fatboy Mickey Lolich won 3! Beat the mighty Bob Gibson and a tough St Louis team. Tigers had a weak hitting shortstop, so the manager Mayo Smith moved center fielder Mickey Stanley to shortstop.
Right fielder Al Kaline finished and ended his career with the Tigers, all 22 years. First basemen Norm Cash played all 15 years with the Tigers.
Do people do that any more in pro sports? Yes, I do realize that was all before free agency and bidding wars.
Wow J! Cards must have been the favorite with 2 of the best and most popular players at the time, Bob Gibson and Lou Brock.azcat49 wrote: Big D, I am a St Louis cardinal fan and I can name the starting line up for the birds as well LOL. I cried when we blew that 3 games to 1 lead. Great series though.
Recruiting is the selfish motive to care even if you don't really care about how it shakes out for a player. Having Arizona players making it big on the next level is a huge recruiting selling point. Being the school that produces lottery picks yearly is something we hold over other west coast programs. We've had a lottery pick in 4 of the last 5 drafts. UCLA, Oregon, Gonzaga, etc can't sell the chance to be the guy who continues that run.zonagrad wrote:If it helps recruiting, great.
If Trier & Ayton don't get an NBA opportunity, it tells me Arizona overachieved this season. It also tells me the people who do these NBA draft projections are off quite often. And actually, they do more harm by raising expectations on players that shouldn't really be high at all.
I get it in a way, but honestly, were any of our recent one and done lottery picks not going to be lottery picks if they didn't come to Arizona? Sure Miller might of made them better but I see it as Arizona is where better players go instead of they come here to become lottery picks. Unless I'm forgetting someone, DWill is the only lottery pick in the Miller era that played more than one year of college.Spaceman Spiff wrote:Recruiting is the selfish motive to care even if you don't really care about how it shakes out for a player. Having Arizona players making it big on the next level is a huge recruiting selling point. Being the school that produces lottery picks yearly is something we hold over other west coast programs. We've had a lottery pick in 4 of the last 5 drafts. UCLA, Oregon, Gonzaga, etc can't sell the chance to be the guy who continues that run.zonagrad wrote:If it helps recruiting, great.
If Trier & Ayton don't get an NBA opportunity, it tells me Arizona overachieved this season. It also tells me the people who do these NBA draft projections are off quite often. And actually, they do more harm by raising expectations on players that shouldn't really be high at all.
As if there is a plethora of lottery picks that stay more than one year of college elsewhere?DrWildcat wrote:I get it in a way, but honestly, were any of our recent one and done lottery picks not going to be lottery picks if they didn't come to Arizona? Sure Miller might of made them better but I see it as Arizona is where better players go instead of they come here to become lottery picks. Unless I'm forgetting someone, DWill is the only lottery pick in the Miller era that played more than one year of college.Spaceman Spiff wrote:Recruiting is the selfish motive to care even if you don't really care about how it shakes out for a player. Having Arizona players making it big on the next level is a huge recruiting selling point. Being the school that produces lottery picks yearly is something we hold over other west coast programs. We've had a lottery pick in 4 of the last 5 drafts. UCLA, Oregon, Gonzaga, etc can't sell the chance to be the guy who continues that run.zonagrad wrote:If it helps recruiting, great.
If Trier & Ayton don't get an NBA opportunity, it tells me Arizona overachieved this season. It also tells me the people who do these NBA draft projections are off quite often. And actually, they do more harm by raising expectations on players that shouldn't really be high at all.
Thats my point... A lot of lottery picks tend to be projected as lottery picks before the go to a school.Olsondogg wrote:As if there is a plethora of lottery picks that stay more than one year of college elsewhere?DrWildcat wrote:I get it in a way, but honestly, were any of our recent one and done lottery picks not going to be lottery picks if they didn't come to Arizona? Sure Miller might of made them better but I see it as Arizona is where better players go instead of they come here to become lottery picks. Unless I'm forgetting someone, DWill is the only lottery pick in the Miller era that played more than one year of college.Spaceman Spiff wrote:Recruiting is the selfish motive to care even if you don't really care about how it shakes out for a player. Having Arizona players making it big on the next level is a huge recruiting selling point. Being the school that produces lottery picks yearly is something we hold over other west coast programs. We've had a lottery pick in 4 of the last 5 drafts. UCLA, Oregon, Gonzaga, etc can't sell the chance to be the guy who continues that run.zonagrad wrote:If it helps recruiting, great.
If Trier & Ayton don't get an NBA opportunity, it tells me Arizona overachieved this season. It also tells me the people who do these NBA draft projections are off quite often. And actually, they do more harm by raising expectations on players that shouldn't really be high at all.
THIS IS NOT SAYING MILLER IS A BAD COACH OR BAD DEVELOPER OF TALENT.DrWildcat wrote:I get it in a way, but honestly, were any of our recent one and done lottery picks not going to be lottery picks if they didn't come to Arizona? Sure Miller might of made them better but I see it as Arizona is where better players go instead of they come here to become lottery picks. Unless I'm forgetting someone, DWill is the only lottery pick in the Miller era that played more than one year of college.Spaceman Spiff wrote:Recruiting is the selfish motive to care even if you don't really care about how it shakes out for a player. Having Arizona players making it big on the next level is a huge recruiting selling point. Being the school that produces lottery picks yearly is something we hold over other west coast programs. We've had a lottery pick in 4 of the last 5 drafts. UCLA, Oregon, Gonzaga, etc can't sell the chance to be the guy who continues that run.zonagrad wrote:If it helps recruiting, great.
If Trier & Ayton don't get an NBA opportunity, it tells me Arizona overachieved this season. It also tells me the people who do these NBA draft projections are off quite often. And actually, they do more harm by raising expectations on players that shouldn't really be high at all.
Absolutely trueOlsondogg wrote:I could make the argument that Miller has several dudes that have been in the NBA that nobody, including posters here, thought was possible.
Kadeem Allen and Solomon Hill.Postmaster wrote:Who besides TJ?
Not arguing, just wondering.
This seems more valuable in recruiting to me.Olsondogg wrote:I could make the argument that Miller has several dudes that have been in the NBA that nobody, including posters here, thought was possible.
You could also make the argument nobody believed Kobi would be on a roster last year at this time.Postmaster wrote:Who besides TJ?
Not arguing, just wondering.
Olsondogg wrote:You could also make the argument nobody believed Kobi would be on a roster last year at this time.Postmaster wrote:Who besides TJ?
Not arguing, just wondering.
Maybe. There are a lot of guys who play themselves out of the lottery (Cliff Alexander, Harry Giles, etc.) in a year. Having kids hit their potential is underrated.DrWildcat wrote:I get it in a way, but honestly, were any of our recent one and done lottery picks not going to be lottery picks if they didn't come to Arizona? Sure Miller might of made them better but I see it as Arizona is where better players go instead of they come here to become lottery picks. Unless I'm forgetting someone, DWill is the only lottery pick in the Miller era that played more than one year of college.Spaceman Spiff wrote:Recruiting is the selfish motive to care even if you don't really care about how it shakes out for a player. Having Arizona players making it big on the next level is a huge recruiting selling point. Being the school that produces lottery picks yearly is something we hold over other west coast programs. We've had a lottery pick in 4 of the last 5 drafts. UCLA, Oregon, Gonzaga, etc can't sell the chance to be the guy who continues that run.zonagrad wrote:If it helps recruiting, great.
If Trier & Ayton don't get an NBA opportunity, it tells me Arizona overachieved this season. It also tells me the people who do these NBA draft projections are off quite often. And actually, they do more harm by raising expectations on players that shouldn't really be high at all.
It was kind of bs that Miller benched Kobi going into the final stretch of the season. The kid was very good and productive, having a bench can make a huge difference in the post season.Postmaster wrote:Olsondogg wrote:You could also make the argument nobody believed Kobi would be on a roster last year at this time.Postmaster wrote:Who besides TJ?
Not arguing, just wondering.
But that is in spite of Miller, not because of him.
He didn't bench him. His minutes were reduced because of Trier's return. Simmons isn't a productive player. His shooting percentage is low. Miller had to space minutes between Trier, Alkins, Allen, Simmons and PJC. None of them were effective point guards. It's amazing we went 16-2 & won the conference tourney.elriop20 wrote:It was kind of bs that Miller benched Kobi going into the final stretch of the season. The kid was very good and productive, having a bench can make a huge difference in the post season.Postmaster wrote:Olsondogg wrote:You could also make the argument nobody believed Kobi would be on a roster last year at this time.Postmaster wrote:Who besides TJ?
Not arguing, just wondering.
But that is in spite of Miller, not because of him.
elriop20 wrote:It was kind of bs that Miller benched Kobi going into the final stretch of the season. The kid was very good and productive, having a bench can make a huge difference in the post season.Postmaster wrote:Olsondogg wrote:You could also make the argument nobody believed Kobi would be on a roster last year at this time.Postmaster wrote:Who besides TJ?
Not arguing, just wondering.
But that is in spite of Miller, not because of him.
well he did help his team lose by 61 points the other day, so it's not really a NBA roster lol.Olsondogg wrote:You could also make the argument nobody believed Kobi would be on a roster last year at this time.Postmaster wrote:Who besides TJ?
Not arguing, just wondering.
OMG, I think they were prohibitive favorites. Gibson had a microscopic 1.12 ERA that year. He was unhittable with the mound at the level it was back then. They had McCarver, Cepeda, Javier Shannon and maxville on the infield and Brock Flood and Maris in the outfield. Maris was the oldest of the starters in his early 30's and they were the defending champs.Merkin wrote:Wow J! Cards must have been the favorite with 2 of the best and most popular players at the time, Bob Gibson and Lou Brock.azcat49 wrote: Big D, I am a St Louis cardinal fan and I can name the starting line up for the birds as well LOL. I cried when we blew that 3 games to 1 lead. Great series though.
Looking at the stats, Lolich had more hits than Bill Freehan, the catcher: https://www.baseball-reference.com/post ... 8_WS.shtml" target="_blank
No, he wasn'tPostmaster wrote:Wasnt Solomon hill supposed to be a one or two year college player?
I'll be first to admit that I didn't think he would make it in NBA.
You remember Jason "Rooftop" Thompson? He was my dad's best friend growing up. Another one of my father's friends, Dan Gonzales, had a cup of coffee with the Tigers as well. You likely won't recall him, but he came up through the minors with many of the studs from that 84 title team (Morris, Parrish, Brookens, Gibson, etc.)Merkin wrote:Same here. Used to be a big Detroit Tigers and Lions fan, even the Red Wings when Gordie Howe played for them.azcat49 wrote:I have not watched an NBA games in about 5 years. In fact I watch very few professional games anymore. The level of play is outstanding but I guess their is just so much movement withe free agents and roster turnover.
Try to keep up with the cats in the league but do it mostly through the comments on this board
I can still probably name the starting lineups of the 1968 Tigers that won the World Series. Big star pitcher Denny McClain only won game in the series, fatboy Mickey Lolich won 3! Beat the mighty Bob Gibson and a tough St Louis team. Tigers had a weak hitting shortstop, so the manager Mayo Smith moved center fielder Mickey Stanley to shortstop.
Right fielder Al Kaline finished and ended his career with the Tigers, all 22 years. First basemen Norm Cash played all 15 years with the Tigers.
Do people do that any more in pro sports? Yes, I do realize that was all before free agency and bidding wars.