Bear Down Wildcats

There are only two news worthy things here.

1) the investigation we all knew was coming has started. It was always gonna happen. Just hap pool en know instead of this summer like when I thought it would
2) Miller MAY testify. Either he is a total liar or we have nothing to worry about. If he lied he will never coach again and Robbins sure went to bat for him and put his ass on the line for Miller so what does the school have that gave Robbins the confidence to back Miller so big?

If Miller lied, it’ll be pretty demoralizing.

That said, I don’t think he lied.

I’m struggling to figure out what info in that article is exactly new.

Chicat wrote:I’m struggling to figure out what info in that article is exactly new.

Thing new for me is Yahoo writing it, that's mostly it

Newportcat wrote:

Chicat wrote:I’m struggling to figure out what info in that article is exactly new.

Thing new for me is Yahoo writing it, that's mostly it

Which is unfortunate, but there’s nothing there that’s going to linger beyond the same general stench of corruption that was previously dissipating.

The only thing that makes me pause is the Luke connection. Unless that is just pure "this is happening and that is happening and....MAKE THEM HAPPEN TOGETHER" guessing. But if this is real reporting, someone is making Luke's name hit this story, and that is both interesting and concerning

I wouldn’t get our hopes up about Luke ever coaching AZ. Doesn’t seem to be in his career plans.

EVCat wrote:The only thing that makes me pause is the Luke connection. Unless that is just pure "this is happening and that is happening and....MAKE THEM HAPPEN TOGETHER" guessing. But if this is real reporting, someone is making Luke's name hit this story, and that is both interesting and concerning

As a general rule, factual info comes in the first three paragraphs of an article then the rest is background and conjecture. Unless you’re Mark Schlabach in which case it’s all bullshit based on nothing.

Luke is on the hot seat.
Miller is on the hot seat.
Luke went to Arizona.
Shake and pour and you’ve got yourself a juicy rumor cocktail.

EVCat wrote:The only thing that makes me pause is the Luke connection. Unless that is just pure "this is happening and that is happening and....MAKE THEM HAPPEN TOGETHER" guessing. But if this is real reporting, someone is making Luke's name hit this story, and that is both interesting and concerning

It's not real reporting, it's speculation, mixed in with sources being literally Dawkins's lawyer.

Everyone heard Miller say at the red and blue that he will be so happy when he can openly talk about the situation. He has never given any reason not to believe his word so until than I do.

Holy shit. Among other things, this idea that upper administration has some hard choices to make about what to do with Miller now that... now that what? Now that this article appeared, telling everyone what’s already common knowledge? The notion that the university would weigh its decision based on the incoming class is especially golden.

Spaceman Spiff wrote:On the whole, this is a ton of repackaged speculation that adds nothing new other than a claim about one source.

It’s hilarious that there are three writers on that byline. Meanwhile, 97% of it was copied and pasted from other reports.

Yahoo is just trying to keep up the appearance that their blockbuster story hasn’t fizzled out in a rash of plea deals.

PHXCATS wrote:There are only two news worthy things here.

1) the investigation we all knew was coming has started. It was always gonna happen. Just hap pool en know instead of this summer like when I thought it would
2) Miller MAY testify. Either he is a total liar or we have nothing to worry about. If he lied he will never coach again and Robbins sure went to bat for him and put his ass on the line for Miller so what does the school have that gave Robbins the confidence to back Miller so big?

oh yeah, theres no way Miller is a total liar just trying to save his hide, LMFAO. Dawkins has no allegiance to UA or Miller like Book did and no incentive to hide anything for our benefit. A supeona would be potentially devastating to the program, program-defining.

Would Robbins and Heeke even let Miller go on the stand while he's the coach?

RiseAndFire wrote:

PHXCATS wrote:There are only two news worthy things here.

1) the investigation we all knew was coming has started. It was always gonna happen. Just hap pool en know instead of this summer like when I thought it would
2) Miller MAY testify. Either he is a total liar or we have nothing to worry about. If he lied he will never coach again and Robbins sure went to bat for him and put his ass on the line for Miller so what does the school have that gave Robbins the confidence to back Miller so big?

oh yeah, theres no way Miller is a total liar just trying to save his hide, LMFAO. Dawkins has no allegiance to UA or Miller like Book did and no incentive to hide anything for our benefit. A supeona would be potentially devastating to the program, program-defining.

Would Robbins and Heeke even let Miller go on the stand while he's the coach?

Wow, your legal opinions are just as educated as your basketball opinions.

Spaceman Spiff wrote:

RiseAndFire wrote:

PHXCATS wrote:There are only two news worthy things here.

1) the investigation we all knew was coming has started. It was always gonna happen. Just hap pool en know instead of this summer like when I thought it would
2) Miller MAY testify. Either he is a total liar or we have nothing to worry about. If he lied he will never coach again and Robbins sure went to bat for him and put his ass on the line for Miller so what does the school have that gave Robbins the confidence to back Miller so big?

oh yeah, theres no way Miller is a total liar just trying to save his hide, LMFAO. Dawkins has no allegiance to UA or Miller like Book did and no incentive to hide anything for our benefit. A supeona would be potentially devastating to the program, program-defining.

Would Robbins and Heeke even let Miller go on the stand while he's the coach?

Wow, your legal opinions are just as educated as your basketball opinions.

If Miller was smart, he would employ a zone defense on the stand.

Chicat wrote:

Spaceman Spiff wrote:

RiseAndFire wrote:

PHXCATS wrote:There are only two news worthy things here.

1) the investigation we all knew was coming has started. It was always gonna happen. Just hap pool en know instead of this summer like when I thought it would
2) Miller MAY testify. Either he is a total liar or we have nothing to worry about. If he lied he will never coach again and Robbins sure went to bat for him and put his ass on the line for Miller so what does the school have that gave Robbins the confidence to back Miller so big?

oh yeah, theres no way Miller is a total liar just trying to save his hide, LMFAO. Dawkins has no allegiance to UA or Miller like Book did and no incentive to hide anything for our benefit. A supeona would be potentially devastating to the program, program-defining.

Would Robbins and Heeke even let Miller go on the stand while he's the coach?

Wow, your legal opinions are just as educated as your basketball opinions.

If Miller was smart, he would employ a zone defense on the stand.

And push the pace of questioning.

I want to preface this by saying I have no legal experience whatsoever.

But it seems to me that if the FBI does not have Miller on tape talking to Dawkins, there would be no reason to get him to testify.

Didn’t Bowen SR claim that Dawkins told him AZ offered money?
I always thought this was Dawkins making stuff up and Bowen repeating it.

To me, the worst part, if true, is that Miller let Dawkins hang out at practice a lot.


Also, I didn’t realize someone who went to school in the Phoenix area was a “local”.

BBQ wildcat wrote:I want to preface this by saying I have no legal experience whatsoever.

But it seems to me that if the FBI does not have Miller on tape talking to Dawkins, there would be no reason to get him to testify.

The FBI does have Miller on tape talking to Dawkins. That doesn't mean anything is incriminating though.

ChooChooCat wrote:

BBQ wildcat wrote:I want to preface this by saying I have no legal experience whatsoever.

But it seems to me that if the FBI does not have Miller on tape talking to Dawkins, there would be no reason to get him to testify.

The FBI does have Miller on tape talking to Dawkins. That doesn't mean anything is incriminating though.

Exactly. We have known this since Miller admitted to it in March 2018. Talking to Dawkins is not a violation

Dawkins was running Bowen’s recruitment from my understanding. It would make since for Miller to have some kind of contact and does not mean any foul play. Arizona backed off Bowen and he committed to Louisville.

Chicat wrote:

Spaceman Spiff wrote:

RiseAndFire wrote:

PHXCATS wrote:There are only two news worthy things here.

1) the investigation we all knew was coming has started. It was always gonna happen. Just hap pool en know instead of this summer like when I thought it would
2) Miller MAY testify. Either he is a total liar or we have nothing to worry about. If he lied he will never coach again and Robbins sure went to bat for him and put his ass on the line for Miller so what does the school have that gave Robbins the confidence to back Miller so big?

oh yeah, theres no way Miller is a total liar just trying to save his hide, LMFAO. Dawkins has no allegiance to UA or Miller like Book did and no incentive to hide anything for our benefit. A supeona would be potentially devastating to the program, program-defining.

Would Robbins and Heeke even let Miller go on the stand while he's the coach?

Wow, your legal opinions are just as educated as your basketball opinions.

If Miller was smart, he would employ a zone defense on the stand.

This is one of the funniest things I have read on this site

Either people have short memories or do nor read or lack basic comprehension skills:

UA has spent nearly 1.4 MILLION dollars on legal fees regarding this investigation...those fee's INCLUDE a comprehensive INTERNAL investigation...

IF (big fucking IF here) Miller was guilty of anything other than pissing off ESPN and the rest of the Yahoo's out there they would surely have called him in, disciplined him or fired him by now...

In-FUCKING_Stead we have the AD and Prez covering Millers back, defending him and standing by him in front of the ABOR...

Do the damn math.

Now here is an interesting scenario that is very unlikely as I doubt the judge will allow the defense to call Miller and if they do it will most likely only be to discuss the crimes the FBI is charging. But what would happen if this happens? Miller testifies, says he is aware of players getting paid but he did not authorize any of it, and he blows the lid on how every player gets paid by every shoe company? Would the NCAA punish then or would the NCAA be forced to fold or change so quickly that there would be no way UA would be punished?

I'm gonna lose my shit if this ABOR meeting results in bad news for us.

Come this far to run scared at the potential of being subpoenaed? Seems like they would have known that might be coming from the start.

Is the report of another meeting concerning the hoops program legit? Phxcats you got anything

From Pete Thamel at yahoo. Twitter

CatFanOneMil wrote:Either people have short memories or do nor read or lack basic comprehension skills:

UA has spent nearly 1.4 MILLION dollars on legal fees regarding this investigation...those fee's INCLUDE a comprehensive INTERNAL investigation...

IF (big fucking IF here) Miller was guilty of anything other than pissing off ESPN and the rest of the Yahoo's out there they would surely have called him in, disciplined him or fired him by now...

In-FUCKING_Stead we have the AD and Prez covering Millers back, defending him and standing by him in front of the ABOR...

Do the damn math.

This is exactly right.

goslingswagg wrote:I'm gonna lose my shit if this ABOR meeting results in bad news for us.

Arizona men's basketball is one of eight sub-items on the agenda concerning legal advice. Why would this portend something?

azcat49 wrote:Come this far to run scared at the potential of being subpoenaed? Seems like they would have known that might be coming from the start.

Is the report of another meeting concerning the hoops program legit? Phxcats you got anything

Nothing to worry about at all. This meeting was already scheduled, just added a discussion about it since they Yahoo article came out and there is some talk locally about it here in PHX

Yeah I’m with CatFan and Longhorned on this. Arizona has been investigating this for what over a year now. If something was there it would of come up by now I’m sure.

MC1983 wrote:Yeah I’m with CatFan and Longhorned on this. Arizona has been investigating this for what over a year now. If something was there it would of come up by now I’m sure.

This is where I think people do not use the brains god gave them (or evolution if you're not a god person)...

The UA gets bushwhacked by Book Richardsons greedy ass...no one saw this coming (he was a playa and played his role and did his job but who could see how fucking greedy he was except maybe that fuckwit Ace?)...came completely out of left field and surprised everyone...immediately they go into triage mode...see where the viper bite is...it starts and ends with Book and Vegas...

Miller gets called in...(remember he was as blindsided by this as anyone, probably more-so since he had allowed Book to stay after his LAST disciplinary action/which Sean probably has said about a thousands times "I should have fired his fucking ass!")...tells the Admin/UA/AD "I did nothing wrong"...hires his OWN LAWYER...because...well fuck who knows what the new AD will do...?

Dave stands by his man...goes to bat...gets the UA on-board they hire the biggest baddest law team compiled since Perry Mason parked his wheel chair...

This law team has several jobs...PROTECT THE UNIVERSITY...is job #1...that means investigate to such a degree as NO culpability is possible should any other investigative body come to the gates...

That also means that should the NCAA come knocking have evidence in hand and a defense in place so if at worst to push back if need be, or at best provide ample proof that Miller/et al were innocent and actually victimized in the situation...

We have not heard a peep out of Millers personal lawyers...no filings, no pleadings, no request to the courts at all...nothing...nada...its almost like they don't even need to be there.

These are corporations...hired to defend a State Institution...if you think the NCAA can just waltz in and start arbitrarily investigating a STATE OWNED BODY
you have no idea how virtually powerless the NCAA really is...they have a limited scope of power that applies to a limited realm of collegiate sports...the rest is fucking states rights.

Longhorned wrote:

goslingswagg wrote:I'm gonna lose my shit if this ABOR meeting results in bad news for us.

Arizona men's basketball is one of eight sub-items on the agenda concerning legal advice. Why would this portend something?

If you subtract 1 from 8, you get 7 and that's the cursed number.

Can someone explain how this destroys Arizona basketball?

AZCatGirl wrote:

Can someone explain how this destroys Arizona basketball?

In the court of public opinion on one end of the spectrum.

The first move toward shit-canning Miller on the other.

I would really love some insider info right now, because this is really, really strange. The guy not even implicated in the FBI investigation?

Chicat wrote:In the court of public opinion on one end of the spectrum.

The first move toward shit-canning Miller on the other.

But firing Miller doesn't make any sense.

I seriously don't get what's been going on the past few days. People seem to be going crazy over nothing.

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If this is it...WTF.

Just sick to my stomach over this bullshit. Posted in the Sean Miller thread earlier today. At least the big money boosters still support Miller.

Just sick to my stomach over this bullshit. Posted in the Sean Miller thread earlier today. At least the big money boosters still support Miller.

Build their case? What's changed that he now needs to be fired?

Seriously WTF happened?

Phelps hasn't been found guilty of anything, but you put him on admin leave for one reason and that's to make Sean Miller's program and leadership look inept, so you have the grounds to fire him. It doesnt matter if Phelps is guilty or not, the optics will already make it look bad enough to where you sell the fact that you have to let him go.

This is pure garbage guys and quite honestly possibly the death of Arizona basketball as this won't sit well with any of the donors, especially with what Miller had coming in. Fucking heads will roll.

Thanks for explaining Choo. That's what it sounded like was going on.

Holy shit am I pissed right now. Does the school not get that you don't fucking implode the basketball program? Like, that's our MAIN SOURCE OF MONEY AND PRIDE.

Nah, we're gonna be scared of the NCAA so fuck it all.

ChooChooCat wrote:Phelps hasn't been found guilty of anything, but you put him on admin leave for one reason and that's to make Sean Miller's program and leadership look inept, so you have the grounds to fire him. It doesnt matter if Phelps is guilty or not, the optics will already make it look bad enough to where you sell the fact that you have to let him go.

This is pure garbage guys and quite honestly possibly the death of Arizona basketball as this won't sit well with any of the donors, especially with what Miller had coming in. Fucking heads will roll.

If that's correct, that is just horrifying decision making.

Is there a way to email Heeke or Robbins? That level of cowardice and incompetence is ridiculous. There is no justification for dropping over a million on an investigation of Miller, letting time elapse and building a case for his firing from some other BS.

If that's actually what it is, **** the admin.

Spaceman Spiff wrote:

ChooChooCat wrote:Phelps hasn't been found guilty of anything, but you put him on admin leave for one reason and that's to make Sean Miller's program and leadership look inept, so you have the grounds to fire him. It doesnt matter if Phelps is guilty or not, the optics will already make it look bad enough to where you sell the fact that you have to let him go.

This is pure garbage guys and quite honestly possibly the death of Arizona basketball as this won't sit well with any of the donors, especially with what Miller had coming in. Fucking heads will roll.

If that's correct, that is just horrifying decision making.

Is there a way to email Heeke or Robbins? That level of cowardice and incompetence is ridiculous. There is no justification for dropping over a million on an investigation of Miller, letting time elapse and building a case for his firing from some other BS.

If that's actually what it is, **** the admin.

Well... if that's what's happening (and it's hard to believe), Robbins won't be for long in his position.

Longhorned wrote:

Spaceman Spiff wrote:

ChooChooCat wrote:Phelps hasn't been found guilty of anything, but you put him on admin leave for one reason and that's to make Sean Miller's program and leadership look inept, so you have the grounds to fire him. It doesnt matter if Phelps is guilty or not, the optics will already make it look bad enough to where you sell the fact that you have to let him go.

This is pure garbage guys and quite honestly possibly the death of Arizona basketball as this won't sit well with any of the donors, especially with what Miller had coming in. Fucking heads will roll.

If that's correct, that is just horrifying decision making.

Is there a way to email Heeke or Robbins? That level of cowardice and incompetence is ridiculous. There is no justification for dropping over a million on an investigation of Miller, letting time elapse and building a case for his firing from some other BS.

If that's actually what it is, **** the admin.

Well... if that's what's happening (and it's hard to believe), Robbins won't be for long in his position.

What else could they be doing? This is just the most bizarre timing. It concerns me this appears indefinite too.

Why suspend early in the process like this? Hell, it's like we learned nothing from UNC's aggressiveness with the NCAA.