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Sidd Finch is the kid we need to look at. Grad transfer from the Flushing Meadows area. Get on it, Book!Spaceman Spiff wrote:April 1 is the day Paulo Cruz declares for the NBA, and Lauri won't want to steal his thunder.Jefe wrote:Awfully close to April 1...If Lauri doesn't hire an agent in the next 2 days I bet theres a press conference to announce he's coming back
Too soon?
Love ya, Pop!Pop McKale wrote:First, have to say I love your posts and your perspective.rgdeuce wrote: There is no perfect scenario. 3 years is too much without the options you proposed. 2 years may be a fair balance, but its not completely necessary IMO and even then, you may be pushing some more to Europe. At least with 1, we get to see the best compete against great comp once or twice a week on TV if you have the sports package on cable. You get to see the next Lebron James or Kobe Bryant actually play in March Madness games. Id rather have that than deal with what baseball does, where most of the elite talent is not going to play in the NCAA. Why would they? NCAA baseball loses a ton of talent to JUCO and guys being drafted out of HS. Generally speaking, baseball is a white, middle to upper middle class game in America. Most stars in the NBA do not fall within the same demographics. You dangle a $50,000 signing bonus in front of a kid from a poor urban neighborhood, what you think is going to happen? $50,000 to someone who has nothing is not the same as Blake, whose parents live in a $300,000 house in a nice neighborhood, whose dad has business ties so if baseball falls through, he still has his UCLA degree and can hit the ground running. IMO, this is blatantly setting up young urban blacks up to fail and would only lead to even more exploitation. Minor league baseball is cut throat. There are no guaranteed contracts and they can give you your walking papers at any time. Its bad for the kids and bad for the fans.
Not sure I understand why adding a year to the college commitment or just letting kids go direct from HS is so much worse and why the OAD rule is the best compromise. Without making this a huge socio-economic debate, many young urban blacks are already set up to fail in far more serious ways. So, I can't make that leap with you. Besides, most of these kids have someone or many someones in their ear from age...what?...5? 8? 10? saying they can be like Mike. A lot may have the best of intentions, many may just be gravy-training. Has nothing to do with NCAA or NBA policy. The percentages are what they are for all professional sports. Your odds are slim. Really slim. Who is telling them this while also encouraging them to get jobs, stay in school, get good grades, etc.? That said, there's absolutely exploitation going on from both sides. I'm pretty fatigued by it. Maybe numb is a better adjective. Those feel-good chest-thumping NCAA ads about student athletes going professional in something besides sports? Let's have a little honesty and show the kids who are lining up the hats on the table or shedding 3 different jerseys and making a general self-indulgent spectacle of themselves and their "commitments". Meanwhile, I'll take a lower standard of play any day with kids who want to be in school, want to play college ball, and are serious about getting degrees. I love college sports above all others. I enjoy getting to know these kids beyond their exploits on the court 30-35 days in the fall/winter. One thing I like about Miller is he has a knack for assembling teams full of genuinely good dudes. I love seeing them develop from year to year under a coach I really admire and appreciate. I have zero interest in salary caps, constantly changing rosters, trade demands, or gauging the NBA prospects of our incoming classes year after year before they've even checked into their dorms at UofA.
Your previous post talks about the minor league system and how much more the NBA would have to add to have anything remotely close to a farm system. Well, OK. They seem to be doing pretty f'ing well as far as revenue is concerned, so get to work! To be clear, I don't blame any player for leaving early and I'll cheer like hell for them while they're in our godawful unis. If they can get paid to play ball then go for it. I just want the charade to end and the system to be radically changed as gumby suggests.
Congratulations Coach!HiCat wrote:Joe Pasternack leaving Wildcats to be head coach at UC Santa Barbara
http://www.azdesertswarm.com/basketball ... recruiting" target="_blank
As long as Miller is still coaching here and we are still the U of A, do you really think they would back out because an assistant got his shot at coaching a mid-major (something that I don't believe is all that uncommon)gumby wrote:Lead recruiter for Ira Lee, Alex Barcello and Emmanuel Akot. Do they waiver?
In any event, congrats.
And my guess, part of the sales pitch was selling them on Miller as the coach.ChooChooCat wrote:Barcello, Lee, Akot didn't commit for Joe. He didn't hurt, but they committed because they wanted to go to Arizona.
That's predominantly due to the fact head bball coaches are more involved with recruiting and building relationships than head football coaches are, that has pretty much every thing to do with how many recruits you're after in a cycle of course. Sean Miller of course is involved, especially when he has decided to specifically target a guy. In certain instances like Lute towards the end, he wasn't involved in recruiting much at all, and he let namely Pastner choose who to prioritize and let them build the relationships solely pretty much. Obviously there were reasons for Lute's laid back stance on recruiting toward the end and why most basketball coaches are not that way and can not afford to be that way.Chicat wrote:I feel like recruits reconsidering when their recruiter takes a different job happens way more often in football than basketball.
Someone explain this to me.Main Event wrote:
He doesn't want to be in college. His PT isn't increasing unless Trier leaves and Bowen doesn't come.elriop20 wrote:Someone explain this to me.Main Event wrote:
He isn't ready for the NBA and his play time is only going to increase here. If he was a 3-4 year player he could play his way into a long term NBA career.
He's just throwing away his future.
He disagrees.elriop20 wrote:Someone explain this to me.Main Event wrote:
He isn't ready for the NBA and his play time is only going to increase here. If he was a 3-4 year player he could play his way into a long term NBA career.
He's just throwing away his future.
Probably because he stopped going to class at the beginning of the semester, as do most players who know they are leaving. Not because of grades during the fall semester. That would have him ineligible in the spring.Jefe wrote:Academic issues? Choo said he would probably be ineligible if he stayed
stupid stupid stupid
Bingo.EVCat wrote:Probably because he stopped going to class at the beginning of the semester, as do most players who know they are leaving. Not because of grades during the fall semester. That would have him ineligible in the spring.Jefe wrote:Academic issues? Choo said he would probably be ineligible if he stayed
stupid stupid stupid
Gut feeling we're losing him, need to go after McCoy hard.ChooChooCat wrote:Comanche may not be a smart "declare and get info" move. This may very well be another Grant Jerrett situation and if that's the case there is something wrong with the culture of our program or at the very least the players we target. UNC just won the title with a 5 star senior at the 4 and a 4 star senior at the 5, yet we may possibly lose a 4 star sophomore who came off the bench? GARBAGE.
Dear NBA Waters,NYCat wrote:Chief,
If he can't defend the basket in college, how can he do it in the league?NYCat wrote:Chief,
He's not coming.NYCat wrote:Gut feeling we're losing him, need to go after McCoy hard.ChooChooCat wrote:Comanche may not be a smart "declare and get info" move. This may very well be another Grant Jerrett situation and if that's the case there is something wrong with the culture of our program or at the very least the players we target. UNC just won the title with a 5 star senior at the 4 and a 4 star senior at the 5, yet we may possibly lose a 4 star sophomore who came off the bench? GARBAGE.
Woh. How do you stop going to class and stay eligible for 2-3 months?EVCat wrote:Probably because he stopped going to class at the beginning of the semester, as do most players who know they are leaving. Not because of grades during the fall semester. That would have him ineligible in the spring.
Jefe wrote:Woh. How do you stop going to class and stay eligible for 2-3 months?EVCat wrote:Probably because he stopped going to class at the beginning of the semester, as do most players who know they are leaving. Not because of grades during the fall semester. That would have him ineligible in the spring.
You aren't ineligible until the semester grades come in. So, he has a few weeks to turn it around academically!Jefe wrote:Woh. How do you stop going to class and stay eligible for 2-3 months?EVCat wrote:Probably because he stopped going to class at the beginning of the semester, as do most players who know they are leaving. Not because of grades during the fall semester. That would have him ineligible in the spring.
Fucking irks me to no end. Isaiah Hicks, a 5 star recruit out of HS, played 18 minutes per game as a Junior at UNC, which is the same amount of time Comanche, a 4 star developmental player, played as a Sophomore. Playing time? Fuck off. He will be handed nearly 30 minutes per game as a senior and certainly no less than the 18 he just got last year as a Junior.NYCat wrote:If I had to guess, it's playing time. And declaring for the NBA is faster than transferring.
Looks like we should look at a transfer and pickup Jeter
But come on, chance couldn't beat out effing Ristic
Grades dont post until the class is doneJefe wrote:Woh. How do you stop going to class and stay eligible for 2-3 months?EVCat wrote:Probably because he stopped going to class at the beginning of the semester, as do most players who know they are leaving. Not because of grades during the fall semester. That would have him ineligible in the spring.
Our tax dollars paid for his wasted scholarship and our after tax dollars were spent on game tickets. Its personalMain Event wrote:You guys take this way too personal
Its not personal. If you dont go to class you don't fulfill your end of the deal, so you dont deserve the benefits given to others who do.Main Event wrote:You guys take this way too personal
Was it useless after the UCLA or Michigan St? You're bitter a kid left your favorite school earlier than you liked. Kobi's not the first kid to stop going to class and won't be the last, get over it.Jefe wrote:Our tax dollars paid for his useless scholarship and our after tax dollar were spent on game tickets. Its personalMain Event wrote:You guys take this way too personal
The benefits of Joe Message Board wishing you good luck? I doubt he's losing sleep over not getting a presserPHXCATS wrote:Its not personal. If you dont go to class you don't fulfill your end of the deal, so you dont deserve the benefits given to others who do.Main Event wrote:You guys take this way too personal
Exactly. In what universe does Comanche think he'll get paid to play ball next year? Whoever is advising him is an idiot. And Chance is an idiot if he's advising himself or listening to anyone telling him to go pro. Every UA fan on the planet knows he's crazy for even considering turning pro. I hate this. Why does this stupid stuff happen to Arizona and not other programs?ChooChooCat wrote:Fucking irks me to no end. Isaiah Hicks, a 5 star recruit out of HS, played 18 minutes per game as a Junior at UNC, which is the same amount of time Comanche, a 4 star developmental player, played as a Sophomore. Playing time? Fuck off. He will be handed nearly 30 minutes per game as a senior and certainly no less than the 18 he just got last year as a Junior.NYCat wrote:If I had to guess, it's playing time. And declaring for the NBA is faster than transferring.
Looks like we should look at a transfer and pickup Jeter
But come on, chance couldn't beat out effing Ristic
You firstMain Event wrote:Was it useless after the UCLA or Michigan St? You're bitter a kid left your favorite school earlier than you liked. Kobi's not the first kid to stop going to class and won't be the last, get over it.
Lets be honest, this is much worse than GJ