Re: España
Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2017 1:26 pm
Just got an email response from Flohoops about how long it takes for the video replays to become available on their website.... 5-7 days. What a joke
84Cat wrote:Favorite tweet of the day goes to BR's mom
Have heard the possibility that Pinder may very well redshirt this year now that the Ayton issue has been taken care of. Not 100% on that, but it's definitely a major option being discussed.azcat49 wrote:Certainly appears we have 11 capable guys. Who are the odd guys with very reduced roles?
What was his overall Sulk%?gumby wrote:Bad sign: Enhanced box score shows Randolph clapped for the ball more times than Trier.
Some fantastic per minute production.SunnyAZ wrote:
As of this moment Barcello is your 2nd string PG, Akot is your 3rd, and Trier behind him for an emergency. I still think Smith at this moment is on the outside looking in regardless of how well he played today.azcat49 wrote:Would make sense considering Akot reclassified. The hard one for me is Barcelona. He is the only other natural looking PG as Smith, Trier or Akot wouldn't be my back up PG.
Miller is going to earn his dough this year and he may need tyo extend that bench to 10 like he did in the DWill year
I agree with the premise but have a slightly different take on the conclusion. I think that a seasoned Akot at point can solve some of PJC's issues against better teams. He will be much better defensively, and he will not be a primary ball handler, but be a more capable offensive player off the ball. While PJC can be a good playmaker at times, when push comes to shove in the tourney, he isn't going to be the guy running the show. Off the ball, his primary offensive skill is shooting the 3.Longhorned wrote:I don't understand. To me, the point guard position is going to hit a wall as soon as Arizona faces a quality team in the tourney. I can't imagine a non-elite freshman combo guard to be of any value as a point guard in a real, face-in-the-toilet-water tourney game. Just sayin'
I potentially agree as far as Akot goes, at least insofar as he's an elite recruit. I was responding to Choo's depth chart where Barcello is ahead of Akot.prh wrote:I agree with the premise but have a slightly different take on the conclusion. I think that a seasoned Akot at point can solve some of PJC's issues against better teams. He will be much better defensively, and he will not be a primary ball handler, but be a more capable offensive player off the ball. While PJC can be a good playmaker at times, when push comes to shove in the tourney, he isn't going to be the guy running the show. Off the ball, his primary offensive skill is shooting the 3.Longhorned wrote:I don't understand. To me, the point guard position is going to hit a wall as soon as Arizona faces a quality team in the tourney. I can't imagine a non-elite freshman combo guard to be of any value as a point guard in a real, face-in-the-toilet-water tourney game. Just sayin'
I think our needs at PG are non traditional, and therefore I think a non traditional route may be optimal in the tourney. However, this would require rolling Akot at PG a lot more during the season to get him to that point. This would cause some growing pains but I think the extra option would be worth it in March (and April). Just some thoughts, although I'll admit to having views similar to 97 regarding our PG situation and its impact on a FF trip.
Oh my bad, I've just been on Akot at PG train and missed you were referring to Barcello. I definitely agree on him. It's an interesting long term situation with Barcello/Akot and the guys coming in next year.Longhorned wrote:I potentially agree as far as Akot goes, at least insofar as he's an elite recruit. I was responding to Choo's depth chart where Barcello is ahead of Akot.prh wrote:I agree with the premise but have a slightly different take on the conclusion. I think that a seasoned Akot at point can solve some of PJC's issues against better teams. He will be much better defensively, and he will not be a primary ball handler, but be a more capable offensive player off the ball. While PJC can be a good playmaker at times, when push comes to shove in the tourney, he isn't going to be the guy running the show. Off the ball, his primary offensive skill is shooting the 3.Longhorned wrote:I don't understand. To me, the point guard position is going to hit a wall as soon as Arizona faces a quality team in the tourney. I can't imagine a non-elite freshman combo guard to be of any value as a point guard in a real, face-in-the-toilet-water tourney game. Just sayin'
I think our needs at PG are non traditional, and therefore I think a non traditional route may be optimal in the tourney. However, this would require rolling Akot at PG a lot more during the season to get him to that point. This would cause some growing pains but I think the extra option would be worth it in March (and April). Just some thoughts, although I'll admit to having views similar to 97 regarding our PG situation and its impact on a FF trip.
Broke Salim's freshman record.Chicat wrote:What was his overall Sulk%?gumby wrote:Bad sign: Enhanced box score shows Randolph clapped for the ball more times than Trier.
I don't necessarily think it's too early to say that if we lose in the tourney, all eyes are going to the pg position.prh wrote:I agree with the premise but have a slightly different take on the conclusion. I think that a seasoned Akot at point can solve some of PJC's issues against better teams. He will be much better defensively, and he will not be a primary ball handler, but be a more capable offensive player off the ball. While PJC can be a good playmaker at times, when push comes to shove in the tourney, he isn't going to be the guy running the show. Off the ball, his primary offensive skill is shooting the 3.Longhorned wrote:I don't understand. To me, the point guard position is going to hit a wall as soon as Arizona faces a quality team in the tourney. I can't imagine a non-elite freshman combo guard to be of any value as a point guard in a real, face-in-the-toilet-water tourney game. Just sayin'
I think our needs at PG are non traditional, and therefore I think a non traditional route may be optimal in the tourney. However, this would require rolling Akot at PG a lot more during the season to get him to that point. This would cause some growing pains but I think the extra option would be worth it in March (and April). Just some thoughts, although I'll admit to having views similar to 97 regarding our PG situation and its impact on a FF trip.
Last year the Zags and NC both had top level point guards leading their team.Beachcat97 wrote:Don't have time to look it up right now, but have most champs from recent seasons had star-level PG play? Is average PG play effectively a deal-breaker?
By the way, I'm probably in the minority here in thinking PJC will be good enough to help us to a FF this season.
Last team that won it all that really didn't have a quality point guard was Duke in 2010 with Jon Scheyer manning the 1 for them.Beachcat97 wrote:Don't have time to look it up right now, but have most champs from recent seasons had star-level PG play? Is average PG play effectively a deal-breaker?
By the way, I'm probably in the minority here in thinking PJC will be good enough to help us to a FF this season.
You have seen him play a bit, I am guessingChooChooCat wrote: I think Barcello's ...intrinsical ability to play hard all the time will ensure he gets PT this year.
It's probably a deal breaker if you want to win a title, not if you want to get to a Final Four.Beachcat97 wrote:Don't have time to look it up right now, but have most champs from recent seasons had star-level PG play? Is average PG play effectively a deal-breaker?
By the way, I'm probably in the minority here in thinking PJC will be good enough to help us to a FF this season.
Scheyer was a quality point. Scheyer wasn't a pure point but he was great at being a game manager and he was proficient on defense. Overall, he's really underrated.ChooChooCat wrote: Last team that won it all that really didn't have a quality point guard was Duke in 2010 with Jon Scheyer manning the 1 for them.
Truthfully you just described a best case scenario for PJC, although Scheyer obviously scored way more than PJC will ever have to. God what a crap year of college basketball that was though. That Duke team wouldn't even make the final four in most years.loomer wrote:
Scheyer was a quality point. Scheyer wasn't a pure point but he was great at being a game manager and he was proficient on defense. Overall, he's really underrated.
I think this shows the situation with PJC.loomer wrote:It's probably a deal breaker if you want to win a title, not if you want to get to a Final Four.Beachcat97 wrote:Don't have time to look it up right now, but have most champs from recent seasons had star-level PG play? Is average PG play effectively a deal-breaker?
By the way, I'm probably in the minority here in thinking PJC will be good enough to help us to a FF this season.
2017 - Berry (a bit overrated)
2016 - Arch + Brunson
2015 - Jones
2014 - Napier
2013 - Siva + Smith (excellent on defense, always had trouble offensively)
2012 - Teague (weakest on the list)
2011 - Kemba
2010 - Scheyer
Scheyer was a quality point. Scheyer wasn't a pure point but he was great at being a game manager and he was proficient on defense. Overall, he's really underrated.ChooChooCat wrote: Last team that won it all that really didn't have a quality point guard was Duke in 2010 with Jon Scheyer manning the 1 for them.
Well, I couldn't get to the game in Valencia (three hour train ride from Barcelona and I have friends in town visiting) but I will most certainly be in the stands the next two gamesazcat49 wrote:I can't get over the fact we had fans (maybe parents and of course DC from this board) representing. I find that incredible given it was in Spain.
Oh man. Tell us how you really feel, 97.97cats wrote:counting on middling freshman PG's to win on the road in conf play and in March is a bad business plan.
once again Sean Miller has put his never been before final four hopes in the hands of a small, injury prone, complementary player, two freshman who arent PG's, and a shooting guard who wants to shoot.
just dont say i didnt tell ya so.....
how do you get in the fb group? When I click the link it just says the link may have expired or isn't available because you aren't in the audience.Jefe wrote: If you guys aren't in the FB group you could request to join and watch the game. Someone streamed it in 2 parts:
https://www.facebook.com/michael.quiroz ... 935879108/" target="_blank
https://www.facebook.com/michael.quiroz ... 162844782/" target="_blank
I never really played BB seriously. Just a bit in PE class mainly. I am really much too short.Main Event wrote:
I've said it before, 'Zo is the best in college basketball at making 3 steps look like two when he's on a fast break. He's as good as anyone I've ever seen, to be honest. It's different from the Eurostep, which is just a really slow, awkward looking non-travelRichardCranium wrote:I never really played BB seriously. Just a bit in PE class mainly. I am really much too short.Main Event wrote:
But in 'my day' almost every shot shown in that highlight real would have been waved off for traveling. Clearly times have changed and I have no idea when it happened.
Especially Trier's shots - he took 2 or 3 steps on every layup. Every shot that was shown, he was traveling except for the one from the corner at around the 52 second mark, and he almost shuffled his feet on that one (why did the ref signal that was a two point shot - is that a thing in Euro ball?).
Are we counting on Alex Barcello to win us close games? Pretty sure he's expected to contribute maybe 10m/g. It's possible that Barcello is an above average player (though it may take a year for that player to emerge). Barcello's success prior to joining the Cats is impressive. Two time state champion. Two time Gatorade AZ POY. All American Honorable Mention. Nike EYBL Peach MVP. NBPA All Tournament First Team selection along with Jaylen Hands and Zion Williamson.97cats wrote:counting on middling freshman PG's to win on the road in conf play and in March is a bad business plan.
Who was the last small, injury prone, complementary player to lead a Final Four caliber Arizona team at the PG position? Let me know so we can talk about "again."97cats wrote:Once again Sean Miller has put his never been before final four hopes in the hands of a small, injury prone, complementary player, two freshman who arent PG's, and a shooting guard who wants to shoot.
Just translating:YoDeFoe wrote:Are we counting on Alex Barcello to win us close games? Pretty sure he's expected to contribute maybe 10m/g. It's possible that Barcello is an above average player (though it may take a year for that player to emerge). Barcello's success prior to joining the Cats is impressive. Two time state champion. Two time Gatorade AZ POY. All American Honorable Mention. Nike EYBL Peach MVP. NBPA All Tournament First Team selection along with Jaylen Hands and Zion Williamson.97cats wrote:counting on middling freshman PG's to win on the road in conf play and in March is a bad business plan.
Who was the last small, injury prone, complementary player to lead a Final Four caliber Arizona team at the PG position? Let me know so we can talk about "again."97cats wrote:Once again Sean Miller has put his never been before final four hopes in the hands of a small, injury prone, complementary player, two freshman who arent PG's, and a shooting guard who wants to shoot.
Also... what does "two freshmen who aren't PGs" mean. Is that bad? That we have freshman players? Who are the two? Ayton, a top 5 draft pick, and Akot, a top 20 recruit? What are you even talking about? And a shooting guard who wants to shoot.
I honestly regret responding at all.