Re: I'm confused and pessimistic
Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2018 12:07 pm
Overthiking or in other words, not thinking.
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The ball going in does not define whether it's a good or bad shot. If PJC pulls from the opposite ft line with 28 seconds on the shot clock, it's a terrible shot. If it goes in, it's still terrible.PHXCATS wrote:The FBI thing is way bigger, no denying that. Personally I think it is a bad look and I dont see it sitting well with recruits that their coach is acting like that after the ball goes in. But maybe it isn't and I am overthinking it. And maybe I am overthinking it because of how Miller crossed the line last week vs Stanford. But yes the FBI thing is the biggest issue to future classes.ChooChooCat wrote:Lol hurts future recruiting. He told a senior to stfu MFer clear as day after the senior told him to calm down. Yeah that didny hurt recruiting one bit and neither would this. I mean if you're truly concerned with recruiting a FBI investigation is much more of a concern.PHXCATS wrote:Dusan had the hot hand, I had no issue with the shot but I get why Miller did. But honestly, I think his reaction to it especially after it went in was a bad look and I think it hurts future recruiting. Do guys want to play for a coach who acts that way when you make a vitally important shot in a tight game when you know you are feeling it?
I am sure some will take this as me hating on Miller. I dont hate him. I just dont like the way he has acted the last two Saturdays but I dont hate him. I have seen him make some adjustments this year which I really like. I feel like he is doing a pretty good job this year all things considered.
The reaction to the shot before it goes in or bounces off the rim is fine by Miller to me. The reaction of his after the ball went is is the issue for me.Spaceman Spiff wrote:The ball going in does not define whether it's a good or bad shot. If PJC pulls from the opposite ft line with 28 seconds on the shot clock, it's a terrible shot. If it goes in, it's still terrible.PHXCATS wrote:The FBI thing is way bigger, no denying that. Personally I think it is a bad look and I dont see it sitting well with recruits that their coach is acting like that after the ball goes in. But maybe it isn't and I am overthinking it. And maybe I am overthinking it because of how Miller crossed the line last week vs Stanford. But yes the FBI thing is the biggest issue to future classes.ChooChooCat wrote:Lol hurts future recruiting. He told a senior to stfu MFer clear as day after the senior told him to calm down. Yeah that didny hurt recruiting one bit and neither would this. I mean if you're truly concerned with recruiting a FBI investigation is much more of a concern.PHXCATS wrote:Dusan had the hot hand, I had no issue with the shot but I get why Miller did. But honestly, I think his reaction to it especially after it went in was a bad look and I think it hurts future recruiting. Do guys want to play for a coach who acts that way when you make a vitally important shot in a tight game when you know you are feeling it?
I am sure some will take this as me hating on Miller. I dont hate him. I just dont like the way he has acted the last two Saturdays but I dont hate him. I have seen him make some adjustments this year which I really like. I feel like he is doing a pretty good job this year all things considered.
That's the point of my post, that whether a shot goes in or not doesn't impact if it is a good shot or not. Bad shots fall, good shots miss. You maximize your effectiveness by taking good shots because they are the most likely to benefit and go in.PHXCATS wrote:The reaction to the shot before it goes in or bounces off the rim is fine by Miller to me. The reaction of his after the ball went is is the issue for me.Spaceman Spiff wrote:The ball going in does not define whether it's a good or bad shot. If PJC pulls from the opposite ft line with 28 seconds on the shot clock, it's a terrible shot. If it goes in, it's still terrible.PHXCATS wrote:The FBI thing is way bigger, no denying that. Personally I think it is a bad look and I dont see it sitting well with recruits that their coach is acting like that after the ball goes in. But maybe it isn't and I am overthinking it. And maybe I am overthinking it because of how Miller crossed the line last week vs Stanford. But yes the FBI thing is the biggest issue to future classes.ChooChooCat wrote:Lol hurts future recruiting. He told a senior to stfu MFer clear as day after the senior told him to calm down. Yeah that didny hurt recruiting one bit and neither would this. I mean if you're truly concerned with recruiting a FBI investigation is much more of a concern.PHXCATS wrote:Dusan had the hot hand, I had no issue with the shot but I get why Miller did. But honestly, I think his reaction to it especially after it went in was a bad look and I think it hurts future recruiting. Do guys want to play for a coach who acts that way when you make a vitally important shot in a tight game when you know you are feeling it?
I am sure some will take this as me hating on Miller. I dont hate him. I just dont like the way he has acted the last two Saturdays but I dont hate him. I have seen him make some adjustments this year which I really like. I feel like he is doing a pretty good job this year all things considered.
I had no issue since Dusan was feeling it and was the best player at least on offense in the game. But I get why it wasnt what Miller wanted and I have no issue with him being upset about the play.
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I don't think anyone can declaratively call Dusan's shot as a "bad shot." First, the shot was a designed play, just not a SM designed play. Indeed, it was a play coming from a fluid, Lute style, offense that most of us here pine for. PJC should get as much credit as Dusan. It's worthy noting PJC was away from the Arizona bench where SM couldn't shout at him like he does all game long, every game.Spaceman Spiff wrote:
That's the point of my post, that whether a shot goes in or not doesn't impact if it is a good shot or not. Bad shots fall, good shots miss. You maximize your effectiveness by taking good shots because they are the most likely to benefit and go in.
I know it looks like I am trolling you, but I cannot believe some of your takes.PHXCATS wrote:The FBI thing is way bigger, no denying that. Personally I think it is a bad look and I dont see it sitting well with recruits that their coach is acting like that after the ball goes in. But maybe it isn't and I am overthinking it. And maybe I am overthinking it because of how Miller crossed the line last week vs Stanford. But yes the FBI thing is the biggest issue to future classes.ChooChooCat wrote:Lol hurts future recruiting. He told a senior to stfu MFer clear as day after the senior told him to calm down. Yeah that didny hurt recruiting one bit and neither would this. I mean if you're truly concerned with recruiting a FBI investigation is much more of a concern.PHXCATS wrote:Dusan had the hot hand, I had no issue with the shot but I get why Miller did. But honestly, I think his reaction to it especially after it went in was a bad look and I think it hurts future recruiting. Do guys want to play for a coach who acts that way when you make a vitally important shot in a tight game when you know you are feeling it?
I am sure some will take this as me hating on Miller. I dont hate him. I just dont like the way he has acted the last two Saturdays but I dont hate him. I have seen him make some adjustments this year which I really like. I feel like he is doing a pretty good job this year all things considered.
Baloney. Ayton didn't have his man "pinned." Ayton had some positioning but he had a man strongly fronting him. I've seen many such passes fail as overhead passes have to be accurate and are the cause of many turnovers.IndianaZonaFan wrote:You are clueless. The play was called to have a 7 foot Dusan at the top of the key to throw over the top to a 7 foot Ayton, who had his man pinned for an easy layup/dunk. Watch again and you will see why Miller was pissed. I would much rather have the ball go to the block than to have Dusan shooting a contested 3 with 17 seconds left on the shot clock. With that said, I’m glad it went in and happy for Dusan. He deserves it. Bear Down
I keep my gametime Pez Dispenser loaded with Xanex...MrMeow wrote:TherapyChicat wrote:They have pills for that.pc in NM wrote:I'm confused and pessimistic
Hank of sb wrote:Baloney. Ayton didn't have his man "pinned." Ayton had some positioning but he had a man strongly fronting him. I've seen many such passes fail as overhead passes have to be accurate and are the cause of many turnovers.IndianaZonaFan wrote:You are clueless. The play was called to have a 7 foot Dusan at the top of the key to throw over the top to a 7 foot Ayton, who had his man pinned for an easy layup/dunk. Watch again and you will see why Miller was pissed. I would much rather have the ball go to the block than to have Dusan shooting a contested 3 with 17 seconds left on the shot clock. With that said, I’m glad it went in and happy for Dusan. He deserves it. Bear Down
If that was "the play" Miller called then Dusan either didn't know about the call, disobeyed the call, or had the option to shoot if, in his estimation, Ayton did NOT have his man "pinned" as you suggest.
I don't think "normal people" have any idea how afflicted we are.pc in NM wrote:I keep my gametime Pez Dispenser loaded with Xanex...MrMeow wrote:TherapyChicat wrote:They have pills for that.pc in NM wrote:I'm confused and pessimistic
.. and. I'm a licensed therapist.
However, being a sports fan appears to be a chronic and, unfortunately, untreatable condition.
Um....nothing.Olsondogg wrote:Hank of sb wrote:Baloney. Ayton didn't have his man "pinned." Ayton had some positioning but he had a man strongly fronting him. I've seen many such passes fail as overhead passes have to be accurate and are the cause of many turnovers.IndianaZonaFan wrote:You are clueless. The play was called to have a 7 foot Dusan at the top of the key to throw over the top to a 7 foot Ayton, who had his man pinned for an easy layup/dunk. Watch again and you will see why Miller was pissed. I would much rather have the ball go to the block than to have Dusan shooting a contested 3 with 17 seconds left on the shot clock. With that said, I’m glad it went in and happy for Dusan. He deserves it. Bear Down
If that was "the play" Miller called then Dusan either didn't know about the call, disobeyed the call, or had the option to shoot if, in his estimation, Ayton did NOT have his man "pinned" as you suggest.
Um...
LOL, you need me to screen shot the play before when Ayton was fronting him the other way? Or better yet, the white dude on Tah had Ayton pinned.Hank of sb wrote:Um....nothing.Olsondogg wrote:Hank of sb wrote:Baloney. Ayton didn't have his man "pinned." Ayton had some positioning but he had a man strongly fronting him. I've seen many such passes fail as overhead passes have to be accurate and are the cause of many turnovers.IndianaZonaFan wrote:You are clueless. The play was called to have a 7 foot Dusan at the top of the key to throw over the top to a 7 foot Ayton, who had his man pinned for an easy layup/dunk. Watch again and you will see why Miller was pissed. I would much rather have the ball go to the block than to have Dusan shooting a contested 3 with 17 seconds left on the shot clock. With that said, I’m glad it went in and happy for Dusan. He deserves it. Bear Down
If that was "the play" Miller called then Dusan either didn't know about the call, disobeyed the call, or had the option to shoot if, in his estimation, Ayton did NOT have his man "pinned" as you suggest.
Um...
You froze the picture when the shot was already in the air. The picture shows Ayton sealing off for a rebound. There was no chance of entry pass as Ayton was fronted. Granted, a overhead lob might have worked as long as the pass was accurate, but Arizona turnovers all year long have come from such ORDERS to get Ayton the ball.
Either no play was called, or Ristic had an option that Miller didn't like as the right decision.
I'm in the camp that Miller's reaction was "over the top."
I wish SM wouldf sit down with his other coaches.
You are either blind (unlikely)... talk out your ass (undoubtedly)... or are as dumb as a rock.Hank of sb wrote:Um....nothing.Olsondogg wrote:Hank of sb wrote:Baloney. Ayton didn't have his man "pinned." Ayton had some positioning but he had a man strongly fronting him. I've seen many such passes fail as overhead passes have to be accurate and are the cause of many turnovers.IndianaZonaFan wrote:You are clueless. The play was called to have a 7 foot Dusan at the top of the key to throw over the top to a 7 foot Ayton, who had his man pinned for an easy layup/dunk. Watch again and you will see why Miller was pissed. I would much rather have the ball go to the block than to have Dusan shooting a contested 3 with 17 seconds left on the shot clock. With that said, I’m glad it went in and happy for Dusan. He deserves it. Bear Down
If that was "the play" Miller called then Dusan either didn't know about the call, disobeyed the call, or had the option to shoot if, in his estimation, Ayton did NOT have his man "pinned" as you suggest.
Um...
You froze the picture when the shot was already in the air. The picture shows Ayton sealing off for a rebound. There was no chance of entry pass as Ayton was fronted. Granted, a overhead lob might have worked as long as the pass was accurate, but Arizona turnovers all year long have come from such ORDERS to get Ayton the ball.
Either no play was called, or Ristic had an option that Miller didn't like as the right decision.
I'm in the camp that Miller's reaction was "over the top."
I wish SM wouldf sit down with his other coaches.
Are you sure Miller's secret plan isn't more secondary break threes from Dusan?IndianaZonaFan wrote:You are clueless. The play was called to have a 7 foot Dusan at the top of the key to throw over the top to a 7 foot Ayton, who had his man pinned for an easy layup/dunk. Watch again and you will see why Miller was pissed. I would much rather have the ball go to the block than to have Dusan shooting a contested 3 with 17 seconds left on the shot clock. With that said, I’m glad it went in and happy for Dusan. He deserves it. Bear Down
This is basically a variant of the old Kansas secondary break. I learned it in HS.Olsondogg wrote:What's great about this is the fact that play is run a few times every game, even when Ayton is double or triple teamed...
The difference with Ayton is, providing the pass is high enough, it doesn't matter if he has 2 or 3 or the whole damn bench on him. Just throw the lob in the right spot...which is why you can see Miller in exasperation even before Ristic decides to shoot it.Spaceman Spiff wrote:This is basically a variant of the old Kansas secondary break. I learned it in HS.Olsondogg wrote:What's great about this is the fact that play is run a few times every game, even when Ayton is double or triple teamed...
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The shot comes on the swing to the trailing 4 in the diagrams listed. We don't always run the back screen to Dusan, but it's the exact setup and it is a setup designed for early post offense.
Miller called multiple sets for Ayton down the stretch, many of which resulted in other guys taking a shots without even getting Ayton a touch (such as the Dusan three you are discussing). This exact set is a horns dive ISO for Ayton. That is a fact. We run it all the time, including multiple times in that game.Hank of sb wrote:Um....nothing.Olsondogg wrote:Hank of sb wrote:Baloney. Ayton didn't have his man "pinned." Ayton had some positioning but he had a man strongly fronting him. I've seen many such passes fail as overhead passes have to be accurate and are the cause of many turnovers.IndianaZonaFan wrote:You are clueless. The play was called to have a 7 foot Dusan at the top of the key to throw over the top to a 7 foot Ayton, who had his man pinned for an easy layup/dunk. Watch again and you will see why Miller was pissed. I would much rather have the ball go to the block than to have Dusan shooting a contested 3 with 17 seconds left on the shot clock. With that said, I’m glad it went in and happy for Dusan. He deserves it. Bear Down
If that was "the play" Miller called then Dusan either didn't know about the call, disobeyed the call, or had the option to shoot if, in his estimation, Ayton did NOT have his man "pinned" as you suggest.
Um...
You froze the picture when the shot was already in the air. The picture shows Ayton sealing off for a rebound. There was no chance of entry pass as Ayton was fronted. Granted, a overhead lob might have worked as long as the pass was accurate, but Arizona turnovers all year long have come from such ORDERS to get Ayton the ball.
Either no play was called, or Ristic had an option that Miller didn't like as the right decision.
I'm in the camp that Miller's reaction was "over the top."
I wish SM wouldf sit down with his other coaches.
Yup, see my above post.Spaceman Spiff wrote:There's a 0% chance the play was designed to lead to the shot by Dusan.IndianaZonaFan wrote:You are clueless. The play was called to have a 7 foot Dusan at the top of the key to throw over the top to a 7 foot Ayton, who had his man pinned for an easy layup/dunk. Watch again and you will see why Miller was pissed. I would much rather have the ball go to the block than to have Dusan shooting a contested 3 with 17 seconds left on the shot clock. With that said, I’m glad it went in and happy for Dusan. He deserves it. Bear Down
TucsonClip wrote:Yup, see my above post.Spaceman Spiff wrote:There's a 0% chance the play was designed to lead to the shot by Dusan.IndianaZonaFan wrote:You are clueless. The play was called to have a 7 foot Dusan at the top of the key to throw over the top to a 7 foot Ayton, who had his man pinned for an easy layup/dunk. Watch again and you will see why Miller was pissed. I would much rather have the ball go to the block than to have Dusan shooting a contested 3 with 17 seconds left on the shot clock. With that said, I’m glad it went in and happy for Dusan. He deserves it. Bear Down
Go back and watch as I have like 10 times since hearing that.Hank of sb wrote:Baloney. Ayton didn't have his man "pinned." Ayton had some positioning but he had a man strongly fronting him. I've seen many such passes fail as overhead passes have to be accurate and are the cause of many turnovers.IndianaZonaFan wrote:You are clueless. The play was called to have a 7 foot Dusan at the top of the key to throw over the top to a 7 foot Ayton, who had his man pinned for an easy layup/dunk. Watch again and you will see why Miller was pissed. I would much rather have the ball go to the block than to have Dusan shooting a contested 3 with 17 seconds left on the shot clock. With that said, I’m glad it went in and happy for Dusan. He deserves it. Bear Down
If that was "the play" Miller called then Dusan either didn't know about the call, disobeyed the call, or had the option to shoot if, in his estimation, Ayton did NOT have his man "pinned" as you suggest.
We'd have lost in the Elite Eight to Colorado.Longhorned wrote:For the confused and pessimistic, think of it this way: If WSU could somehow make it to the national title game and last night were it, today Arizona would be the national champions.
Hey Hank the db, I am waiting for your response to the photo above...Harvey Specter wrote:You are either blind (unlikely)... talk out your ass (undoubtedly)... or are as dumb as a rock.Hank of sb wrote:Um....nothing.Olsondogg wrote:Hank of sb wrote:Baloney. Ayton didn't have his man "pinned." Ayton had some positioning but he had a man strongly fronting him. I've seen many such passes fail as overhead passes have to be accurate and are the cause of many turnovers.IndianaZonaFan wrote:You are clueless. The play was called to have a 7 foot Dusan at the top of the key to throw over the top to a 7 foot Ayton, who had his man pinned for an easy layup/dunk. Watch again and you will see why Miller was pissed. I would much rather have the ball go to the block than to have Dusan shooting a contested 3 with 17 seconds left on the shot clock. With that said, I’m glad it went in and happy for Dusan. He deserves it. Bear Down
If that was "the play" Miller called then Dusan either didn't know about the call, disobeyed the call, or had the option to shoot if, in his estimation, Ayton did NOT have his man "pinned" as you suggest.
Um...
You froze the picture when the shot was already in the air. The picture shows Ayton sealing off for a rebound. There was no chance of entry pass as Ayton was fronted. Granted, a overhead lob might have worked as long as the pass was accurate, but Arizona turnovers all year long have come from such ORDERS to get Ayton the ball.
Either no play was called, or Ristic had an option that Miller didn't like as the right decision.
I'm in the camp that Miller's reaction was "over the top."
I wish SM wouldf sit down with his other coaches.
The ball has not yet left Dusan's hands in this one; in fact, he has not yet even started his shooting motion.
STFU and go back to your UCLA boards. Being an asshole is not a crime, nor is being stupid, but the combination makes you unwelcome in most places.
You shouldn't be fronting on Ayton.EVCat wrote:Dude fronting has zero chance on a 7' to 7' lob. That is the definition of pinned