Bear Down Wildcats

Merkin wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 9:54 am

RondaeShimmy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 9:40 am The offensive flow is much better with Terry running things.

Kier running things reminds me of the typical non Arizona college basketball (terrible to watch) offenses. He also kind stands still and telegraphs passes into the post. It looks so obvious what he's about to do, similar to Tubelis.

Reminds me of Daniel Dillon. Outside of his cool hair, he really added nothing to the offense.

When Kier started Senior Day v. Cal, the Cats played them even until Kriisa came in and took over for Kier, then the UA pulled away.

EastCoastCat wrote: ↑Mon Mar 21, 2022 5:16 am And the joy to which he plays with is so important to the this team. Love DT!

dmjcat wrote: ↑Mon Mar 21, 2022 9:37 am Terry does need to drive to the basket, and seek out contact, more often.

He looks like he intentionally tries to avoid contact when he drives to the hole. In the full contact sport that is the
NCAA tournament, one needs to draw blood.

IrishAzCat wrote: ↑Mon Mar 21, 2022 12:06 pm

Jefe wrote: ↑Mon Mar 21, 2022 2:33 pm Imagine if that dunk at the end of regulation counted

A1RZONA wrote: ↑Fri Apr 22, 2022 12:18 pm so he just declared with option to return...

AzCatFan2 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 22, 2022 2:17 pm Nothing to lose, but could possibly work himself into the Association. Worst case? Gets good feedback on what he needs to work on to be drafted for sure next year. Smart decision.

I too expect DT back next year. At 6'6" and under 200 lbs, his body just isn't NBA ready. Needs another 15 pounds of muscle, which will help him rebound and finish at the rim. His outside shot improved a lot, but not sure if there is enough sample size yet to prove consistency. If he can match close to what Benn did last year from distance, that will improve his draft stock in my opinion.

Beachcat97 wrote: ↑Fri May 06, 2022 12:00 pm Shit. Are we losing him?

Beachcat97 wrote: ↑Fri May 06, 2022 12:00 pm Shit. Are we losing him?

Chicat wrote: ↑Fri May 06, 2022 12:53 pm

Beachcat97 wrote: ↑Fri May 06, 2022 12:00 pm Shit. Are we losing him?

Are we losing him to…… what? A late second round draft slot or the possibility of going undrafted and having to fight his way into the NBA from the G League?

I doubt it.

YoDeFoe wrote: ↑Fri May 06, 2022 1:11 pm

Chicat wrote: ↑Fri May 06, 2022 12:53 pm

Beachcat97 wrote: ↑Fri May 06, 2022 12:00 pm Shit. Are we losing him?

Are we losing him to…… what? A late second round draft slot or the possibility of going undrafted and having to fight his way into the NBA from the G League?

I doubt it.

Sam Vecenie (of the Athletic) has Terry as the 28th best available player. I think that's high but equally I think late second / undrafted is unreasonably low.

Still... 40th pick puts Terry in the G-League / prove it situation and I agree that it's not his best path for growth. Come back and take 12 FGAs a game and puts some numbers on the board.

Chicat wrote: ↑Fri May 06, 2022 1:35 pm

YoDeFoe wrote: ↑Fri May 06, 2022 1:11 pm

Chicat wrote: ↑Fri May 06, 2022 12:53 pm

Beachcat97 wrote: ↑Fri May 06, 2022 12:00 pm Shit. Are we losing him?

Are we losing him to…… what? A late second round draft slot or the possibility of going undrafted and having to fight his way into the NBA from the G League?

I doubt it.

Sam Vecenie (of the Athletic) has Terry as the 28th best available player. I think that's high but equally I think late second / undrafted is unreasonably low.

Still... 40th pick puts Terry in the G-League / prove it situation and I agree that it's not his best path for growth. Come back and take 12 FGAs a game and puts some numbers on the board.

Here’s where I think Terry’s potential improvement arc hurts him. If I’m an NBA GM, I don’t want to pick him in the 38-48 range, sign him to a two year deal (something like what Ayo Dosunmu got), watch him blow up, and then leave for a contract I can’t afford. I’d rather he make that leap in college and then get him mid-first round next year where I’ll have more time and control with the contract.

The Bulls are somewhat panicking knowing that they need to keep Ayo. He’s a hometown kid who played well above their expectations and became an easy fan favorite. I’d rather not be in that situation so my advice to a guy like Terry who I KNOW is going to improve is to blow up at UA and I’ll see him as a top-15 pick next year.

Spaceman Spiff wrote: ↑Fri May 06, 2022 1:46 pm

Chicat wrote: ↑Fri May 06, 2022 1:35 pm

YoDeFoe wrote: ↑Fri May 06, 2022 1:11 pm

Chicat wrote: ↑Fri May 06, 2022 12:53 pm

Beachcat97 wrote: ↑Fri May 06, 2022 12:00 pm Shit. Are we losing him?

Are we losing him to…… what? A late second round draft slot or the possibility of going undrafted and having to fight his way into the NBA from the G League?

I doubt it.

Sam Vecenie (of the Athletic) has Terry as the 28th best available player. I think that's high but equally I think late second / undrafted is unreasonably low.

Still... 40th pick puts Terry in the G-League / prove it situation and I agree that it's not his best path for growth. Come back and take 12 FGAs a game and puts some numbers on the board.

Here’s where I think Terry’s potential improvement arc hurts him. If I’m an NBA GM, I don’t want to pick him in the 38-48 range, sign him to a two year deal (something like what Ayo Dosunmu got), watch him blow up, and then leave for a contract I can’t afford. I’d rather he make that leap in college and then get him mid-first round next year where I’ll have more time and control with the contract.

The Bulls are somewhat panicking knowing that they need to keep Ayo. He’s a hometown kid who played well above their expectations and became an easy fan favorite. I’d rather not be in that situation so my advice to a guy like Terry who I KNOW is going to improve is to blow up at UA and I’ll see him as a top-15 pick next year.

I have to disagree bit. I don't see Terry going top 15 regardless of improvement. I do think he has a strong chance to get to the first round with a return.

Some of how attractive Terry is depends on what sort of contract he wants. You can offer 4 years to a second rounder. If Terry would be interested in 4 years with 2 guaranteed and a team option for the last 2...I could see him being very attractive.

First round doesn't give you more control because second doesn't have length limits. If the Bulls are in a tough place with Dosunmu, it's because he bet on himself or the Bulls effed up.

ChooChooCat wrote: ↑Fri May 06, 2022 1:48 pm

Spaceman Spiff wrote: ↑Fri May 06, 2022 1:46 pm I have to disagree bit. I don't see Terry going top 15 regardless of improvement. I do think he has a strong chance to get to the first round with a return.

Some of how attractive Terry is depends on what sort of contract he wants. You can offer 4 years to a second rounder. If Terry would be interested in 4 years with 2 guaranteed and a team option for the last 2...I could see him being very attractive.

First round doesn't give you more control because second doesn't have length limits. If the Bulls are in a tough place with Dosunmu, it's because he bet on himself or the Bulls effed up.

What 15 guys would you have above him? He’s a top 15 pick next year Spiff. I don’t even think it’s debatable.

Spaceman Spiff wrote: ↑Fri May 06, 2022 2:13 pm

ChooChooCat wrote: ↑Fri May 06, 2022 1:48 pm

Spaceman Spiff wrote: ↑Fri May 06, 2022 1:46 pm I have to disagree bit. I don't see Terry going top 15 regardless of improvement. I do think he has a strong chance to get to the first round with a return.

Some of how attractive Terry is depends on what sort of contract he wants. You can offer 4 years to a second rounder. If Terry would be interested in 4 years with 2 guaranteed and a team option for the last 2...I could see him being very attractive.

First round doesn't give you more control because second doesn't have length limits. If the Bulls are in a tough place with Dosunmu, it's because he bet on himself or the Bulls effed up.

What 15 guys would you have above him? He’s a top 15 pick next year Spiff. I don’t even think it’s debatable.

Lead in, I know this is an unpopular take on this board that a lot of people disagree with. I'm also open to friendly bets on this issue, so I'll fully do a signature bet to put my "money" where my mouth is.

I think Terry is a low ceiling, high floor NBA prospect who will never get out of the 20's. One thing people disagree with me here is I see him as an average athlete for the NBA, and given the plethora of wings, his athletic limits keep him out of the lottery.

https://nbadraftroom.com/p/2023-nba-mock-draft/

Not that draftroom is the best, but every player in their top 14 is a one and done. That is very much the profile of the guys who will go ahead of Terry, elite athletes with physical tools he doesn't have.

You want future stars in the lottery, not 7th or 8th men.

Ending where I began, I know this opinion is unpopular, but it's mine and not a slam on Terry.

ChooChooCat wrote: ↑Fri May 06, 2022 2:48 pm

Spaceman Spiff wrote: ↑Fri May 06, 2022 2:13 pm

ChooChooCat wrote: ↑Fri May 06, 2022 1:48 pm

Spaceman Spiff wrote: ↑Fri May 06, 2022 1:46 pm I have to disagree bit. I don't see Terry going top 15 regardless of improvement. I do think he has a strong chance to get to the first round with a return.

Some of how attractive Terry is depends on what sort of contract he wants. You can offer 4 years to a second rounder. If Terry would be interested in 4 years with 2 guaranteed and a team option for the last 2...I could see him being very attractive.

First round doesn't give you more control because second doesn't have length limits. If the Bulls are in a tough place with Dosunmu, it's because he bet on himself or the Bulls effed up.

What 15 guys would you have above him? He’s a top 15 pick next year Spiff. I don’t even think it’s debatable.

Lead in, I know this is an unpopular take on this board that a lot of people disagree with. I'm also open to friendly bets on this issue, so I'll fully do a signature bet to put my "money" where my mouth is.

I think Terry is a low ceiling, high floor NBA prospect who will never get out of the 20's. One thing people disagree with me here is I see him as an average athlete for the NBA, and given the plethora of wings, his athletic limits keep him out of the lottery.

https://nbadraftroom.com/p/2023-nba-mock-draft/

Not that draftroom is the best, but every player in their top 14 is a one and done. That is very much the profile of the guys who will go ahead of Terry, elite athletes with physical tools he doesn't have.

You want future stars in the lottery, not 7th or 8th men.

Ending where I began, I know this opinion is unpopular, but it's mine and not a slam on Terry.

I’ll take the bet. Also notice that link you sent didn’t show him being included in that 2023 draft. Me thinks if he officially returns they’ll show him in the lottery as well.

YoDeFoe wrote: ↑Fri May 06, 2022 3:27 pm Spiff and I are often in agreement on NBA draft decisions and potential. I disagree here only in the absolute that Spiff offers: that Terry has no shot at getting to lottery status. Terry could certainly get there and it'll depend on one thing:

Shooting. That's it.

If Terry can continue to improve as a shooter - if he takes another 4% increase in his three point percentage the same as he did the last offseason - he's a lottery pick. 40% three point shooting with his size and vision and defense? Lottery.

I'd look at Chris Duarte as an easy comp in that regard. Dude shot the lights out (43%) in his final season with Oregon while distributing and playing tough D. He went 13th and should have gone higher in retrospect. Older than Terry, not even the athlete that Terry is, shorter with a much smaller wingspan. Lacks the vision and passing that Terry possesses. So why not Terry?

Now here's where folks should be up in arms. Terry has shown little ability to be the versatile shooting threat that Duarte was at Oregon. BUT - its possible. I didn't think Terry could shoot at all after his freshman season... he came back and gave us 36% on 77 attempts. That's solid shooting.

That's what Terry is going to need to show in order to move into the lottery. The ability to shoot at an NBA level. Really, that's what he'll need to show whichever route he takes. I think that's easier done at Arizona with this system and staff, with the greenlight and safety net that he'll have here. Hopefully he agrees.