Re: let's talk '18
Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2017 10:16 pm
Wow, for some reason I didn't expect Quinerly to come. Love being surprised!
Reddish already narrowed it to 5 schools and we didnt make his list. We're in it for Barrett for sure, but Little would be an excellent consolation prize.PennZona20 wrote:Why not get real greedy and go get Barrett or Reddish instead. I know Reddish is a long shot but we have pulled guys from that area before (RHJ) as it's Miller fam stomping grounds and Barrett did say we are recruiting him the hardest.ChooChooCat wrote:I'll take Little over Liddell if I have a choice.baycat93 wrote:
Bol and liddel would fill this team out nicely. A Center transfer/redshirt makes a lot of sense just in case Jeter blows up and jumps
Could u imagine a frosh class of
Bol
Barrett
Q
Bwill
Oneal
Freaking Shaqs kid may be our lowest rated guy lol.
We've always done well in the East under Miller. Zeus was northeast and top ten. Guys like Momo and Parrom weren't quite as highly rated, but still competitive pulls. Randolph is another for the list.Beachcat97 wrote:CSM's nationwide recruiting dominance is really something to behold. This is at least the third elite east coast player he's gotten: RHJ, RA, JQ.
Practicing with God! Man, if he can emulate that dude's game (anyone remember the OT game with Providence in 97?), we are golden! Barrett dropped 19 on us in that tourney loss to Seton Hall in 2004. Then again, we decided not to defend that season.When I’m not playing in tournaments or traveling or working on my game with God Shammgod or Andre Barrett I just hang out with my friends and playing NBA 2K.
I don’t want to be cliché like all of the other bloggers and say that I’m the King of 2K, but all I’m gonna say is that I’ve got bodies in 2k! Haha!
I was undefeated on my visit to Arizona. DeAndre Ayton got it, Emmanuel Akot got it!
Trevon Duval knows what it is too.
They all know.
Arizona, UNC, St. Johns, Georgia Tech, and probably Duke.NYCat wrote:
He hasn't played in a competitive game yet, but with knee surgery (non-ACL) in January I'd expect him to be in good form by now.loomer wrote:Love Quinerley's game. Is Brandon Williams 100% now?
I'm afraid you'll have to cut and paste this one here, Jefe. Not all of us are ESPN insiders...Jefe wrote:Any insiders care to post the whole article?
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basket ... gram-needs" target="_blank
Jahvon Quinerly is about to solve Arizona's point guard problem
Next years team is probably going to have the most guard abilities (breakdown defenses, push the ball, pass, run the PnR, etc) that Miller has ever had.baycat93 wrote:
Definitely going to need more, i would say we have 9 scholarship players now:
1 Brandon Williams 6'1" 165 Fr
1 Jhavon Quinerly 6'0" 170 Fr
1/2 Alex Barcello 6'2 190 So
2/3 Dylan Smith 6'5" 200 Rs Jr
2/3 Brandon Randolph 6'6"180 So
3/4 Emmanuel Akot 6'7" 190 S0
4/3 Ira Lee 6'7" 235 So
4 Shareef O'Neil 6'9"200 Fr
5 Chase Jeter 6'10 240 RsJr
and Akot may not be a lock if he pushes his way into time this year.
Before the millennials in Tucson were old enough to remember, there was Damon Stoudamire. There was Mike Bibby, Jason Terry, Jason Gardner and Reggie Geary.skyblue wrote:I'm afraid you'll have to cut and paste this one here, Jefe. Not all of us are ESPN insiders...Jefe wrote:Any insiders care to post the whole article?
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basket ... gram-needs" target="_blank
Jahvon Quinerly is about to solve Arizona's point guard problem
Jefe wrote:Any insiders care to post the whole article?
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basket ... gram-needs" target="_blank
Jahvon Quinerly is about to solve Arizona's point guard problem
Before the millennials in Tucson were old enough to remember, there was Damon Stoudamire. There was Mike Bibby, Jason Terry, Jason Gardner and Reggie Geary.
Legendary coach Lute Olson and Arizona churned them out at such a rapid clip, it was deemed Point Guard U.
However, Tucson has hardly been a haven for top-notch point guards since the turn of the century -- and that has ultimately held Sean Miller back from competing for the school's first national title since 1997.
Miller is hoping that will change following a verbal commitment Tuesday night from arguably the best point guard in the country: Jahvon Quinerly (No. 16 in the Class of 2018 ESPN 100). He joins Brandon Williams (No. 43) to give the Wildcats two of the nation's best at the position.
With all due respect to T.J. McConnell, the Duquesne transfer who was the heart and soul of two Elite Eight teams in Tucson, it's been a mess at the position -- dating back to before Miller's arrival.
Mustafa Shakur was supposed to make everyone forget about Jason Gardner. Instead, he quickly ended any debate on whether he or Chris Paul was the best point guard in the 2003 class. Then came Nic Wise, who had a solid career in what wound up being a forgettable era in Arizona basketball.
Miller was forced to scramble after inheriting a depleted roster. First there was Lamont "Momo" Jones and Jordin Mayes.
Josiah Turner was supposed to finally get Arizona on the road back to being Point Guard U, but he was a mess and flamed out after just one season. Miller was forced to bring in one-year Xavier transfer Mark Lyons as a stop-gap.
McConnell directed Arizona to 67 victories in 2014 and 2015 and was hardly the reason why the Wildcats came up just shy of a Final Four appearance, but he had offensive limitations.
Justin Simon was heralded coming out of high school, but after one season two things were apparent: He wasn't a point guard and he wasn't good enough to warrant a lead role at Arizona. He left after his freshman season for St. John's. Kobi Simmons came aboard last season after Miller and the staff were desperate after not landing De'Aaron Fox or Andrew Jones. Simmons departed after a disappointing campaign.
Parker Jackson-Cartwright was ranked by just about everyone as a top 100 player. He's now a senior, but remains the primary obstacle standing between Arizona and a national title. There's a chance Miller could put the ball in the hands of wing Allonzo Trier -- or even Rawle Alkins this season.
The Wildcats are considered a national title favorite, but most champions have had a high-end point guard running the show. Look at the list: Arizona had Bibby when it rolled through a trio of No. 1 seeds in 1997 to win it all. North Carolina's Joel Berry II was the MVP of the 2017 national championship game. Villanova boasted a pair of point guards two seasons ago with Ryan Arcidiacono and Jalen Brunson. Duke had Tyus Jones in 2015. Shabazz Napier carried UConn in 2014. Peyton Siva did the job for Louisville in 2013. There was Marquis Teague for Kentucky (yes, he was a first-round pick) in 2012. Kemba Walker carried UConn in 2011. Duke converted Jon Scheyer in 2010. Raymond Felton ran the show in 2009 at North Carolina. Kansas had three in 2008 with Mario Chalmers, Russell Robinson and Sherron Collins.
Now Miller is going double-barreled at the point guard position. After landing Williams, a California native and top 50 player who has seen his stock dip while recovering from a knee injury, Miller went to the other coast and secured a pledge on Tuesday night from Quinerly. He is a floor leader out of Hudson Catholic who earned New Jersey player of the year honors as a junior over senior Nick Richards and top 10 junior Naz Reid.
Quinerly is arguably the most complete offensive point guard in the class. He can score, is able to make those around him better and possesses a high basketball IQ.
"Quinerly might wind up being the best college point guard in the class," one head coach who recruited him told ESPN. "Maybe not the highest ceiling, but he's a winner -- and he doesn't have any glaring weaknesses."
Williams is more of a mystery because he didn't play on the summer circuit while continuing to rehab, but he's drawn comparisons to a young Brandon Jennings due to his quickness and ability to thrive in transition. A year ago, Williams played with two of the top big men in the country, DeAndre Ayton and Brandon McCoy, in the summer. He was more of a distributor until McCoy got hurt -- and that's when he displayed his scoring ability.
"Williams is super-talented," another coach said. "He has crazy upside. And if he was healthy, we'd be talking about him among the best point guards in the country. But no one saw him this past summer. So it's out of sight, out of mind -- and that's why his stock has dropped."
Miller isn't the only one excited about putting two high-end point guards on the floor together. Williams told ESPN that there's no concern on his end about Arizona adding Quinerly. In fact, he welcomes the prospect of playing alongside another point guard in what has become a position-less game. He and Quinerly have been communicating about forming one of the best backcourts in the country.
The hope is to put both Quinerly and Williams on the court together, and watch each make plays for themselves and for others. This also gives Miller some leeway in case one of them doesn't live up to the expectations -- as was the case with Turner and Simmons.
There's optimism in Tucson that Quinerly and Williams will not only be able to re-ignite what was once considered the ultimate destination for elite point guards, but also help get Arizona back to the Final Four for the first time in nearly two decades.
Ha, well for some really strange reason I only get insider on my phone. I don't pay for it, and yet it has shown up on my phone for like 6 years. So, I tried doing that with my phone and, well, you saw the end resultprh wrote:dc, the trick is to use the print view
Thanks for this DC.dcZONAfan wrote:Josiah Turner was supposed to finally get Arizona on the road back to being Point Guard U, but he was a mess and flamed out after just one season. Miller was forced to bring in one-year Xavier transfer Mark Lyons as a stop-gap.
McConnell directed Arizona to 67 victories in 2014 and 2015 and was hardly the reason why the Wildcats came up just shy of a Final Four appearance, but he had offensive limitations.
Justin Simon was heralded coming out of high school, but after one season two things were apparent: He wasn't a point guard and he wasn't good enough to warrant a lead role at Arizona. He left after his freshman season for St. John's. Kobi Simmons came aboard last season after Miller and the staff were desperate after not landing De'Aaron Fox or Andrew Jones. Simmons departed after a disappointing campaign.
Parker Jackson-Cartwright was ranked by just about everyone as a top 100 player. He's now a senior, but remains the primary obstacle standing between Arizona and a national title. There's a chance Miller could put the ball in the hands of wing Allonzo Trier -- or even Rawle Alkins this season.
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Before the millennials in Tucson were old enough to remember, there was Damon Stoudamire. There was Mike Bibby, Jason Terry, Jason Gardner and Reggie Geary.
Legendary coach Lute Olson and Arizona churned them out at such a rapid clip, it was deemed Point Guard U.
However, Tucson has hardly been a haven for top-notch point guards since the turn of the century -- and that has ultimately held Sean Miller back from competing for the school's first national title since 1997.
Miller is hoping that will change following a verbal commitment Tuesday night from arguably the best point guard in the country: Jahvon Quinerly (No. 16 in the Class of 2018 ESPN 100). He joins Brandon Williams (No. 43) to give the Wildcats two of the nation's best at the position.
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Quinerly, No. 3 PG in 2018, chooses Arizona
The Wildcats got their second five-star prospect Tuesday, when point guard Jahvon Quinerly, the No. 16 overall player in the ESPN 100, committed to Arizona over Villanova.
Scout's take: ESPN 100 PG Jahvon Quinerly picks Arizona
Arizona got more help when five-star point guard Jahvon Quinerly opted for the Wildcats over Villanova.
With all due respect to T.J. McConnell, the Duquesne transfer who was the heart and soul of two Elite Eight teams in Tucson, it's been a mess at the position -- dating back to before Miller's arrival.
Mustafa Shakur was supposed to make everyone forget about Jason Gardner. Instead, he quickly ended any debate on whether he or Chris Paul was the best point guard in the 2003 class. Then came Nic Wise, who had a solid career in what wound up being a forgettable era in Arizona basketball.
Miller was forced to scramble after inheriting a depleted roster. First there was Lamont "Momo" Jones and Jordin Mayes.
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Josiah Turner was supposed to finally get Arizona on the road back to being Point Guard U, but he was a mess and flamed out after just one season. Miller was forced to bring in one-year Xavier transfer Mark Lyons as a stop-gap.
McConnell directed Arizona to 67 victories in 2014 and 2015 and was hardly the reason why the Wildcats came up just shy of a Final Four appearance, but he had offensive limitations.
Justin Simon was heralded coming out of high school, but after one season two things were apparent: He wasn't a point guard and he wasn't good enough to warrant a lead role at Arizona. He left after his freshman season for St. John's. Kobi Simmons came aboard last season after Miller and the staff were desperate after not landing De'Aaron Fox or Andrew Jones. Simmons departed after a disappointing campaign.
Parker Jackson-Cartwright was ranked by just about everyone as a top 100 player. He's now a senior, but remains the primary obstacle standing between Arizona and a national title. There's a chance Miller could put the ball in the hands of wing Allonzo Trier -- or even Rawle Alkins this season.
Is Jahvon Quinerly the answer to all of Arizona's point guard problems? AP Photot/Gregory Payan
The Wildcats are considered a national title favorite, but most champions have had a high-end point guard running the show. Look at the list: Arizona had Bibby when it rolled through a trio of No. 1 seeds in 1997 to win it all. North Carolina's Joel Berry II was the MVP of the 2017 national championship game. Villanova boasted a pair of point guards two seasons ago with Ryan Arcidiacono and Jalen Brunson. Duke had Tyus Jones in 2015. Shabazz Napier carried UConn in 2014. Peyton Siva did the job for Louisville in 2013. There was Marquis Teague for Kentucky (yes, he was a first-round pick) in 2012. Kemba Walker carried UConn in 2011. Duke converted Jon Scheyer in 2010. Raymond Felton ran the show in 2009 at North Carolina. Kansas had three in 2008 with Mario Chalmers, Russell Robinson and Sherron Collins.
Now Miller is going double-barreled at the point guard position. After landing Williams, a California native and top 50 player who has seen his stock dip while recovering from a knee injury, Miller went to the other coast and secured a pledge on Tuesday night from Quinerly. He is a floor leader out of Hudson Catholic who earned New Jersey player of the year honors as a junior over senior Nick Richards and top 10 junior Naz Reid.
Quinerly is arguably the most complete offensive point guard in the class. He can score, is able to make those around him better and possesses a high basketball IQ.
"Quinerly might wind up being the best college point guard in the class," one head coach who recruited him told ESPN. "Maybe not the highest ceiling, but he's a winner -- and he doesn't have any glaring weaknesses."
Williams is more of a mystery because he didn't play on the summer circuit while continuing to rehab, but he's drawn comparisons to a young Brandon Jennings due to his quickness and ability to thrive in transition. A year ago, Williams played with two of the top big men in the country, DeAndre Ayton and Brandon McCoy, in the summer. He was more of a distributor until McCoy got hurt -- and that's when he displayed his scoring ability.
"Williams is super-talented," another coach said. "He has crazy upside. And if he was healthy, we'd be talking about him among the best point guards in the country. But no one saw him this past summer. So it's out of sight, out of mind -- and that's why his stock has dropped."
Miller isn't the only one excited about putting two high-end point guards on the floor together. Williams told ESPN that there's no concern on his end about Arizona adding Quinerly. In fact, he welcomes the prospect of playing alongside another point guard in what has become a position-less game. He and Quinerly have been communicating about forming one of the best backcourts in the country.
The hope is to put both Quinerly and Williams on the court together, and watch each make plays for themselves and for others. This also gives Miller some leeway in case one of them doesn't live up to the expectations -- as was the case with Turner and Simmons.
There's optimism in Tucson that Quinerly and Williams will not only be able to re-ignite what was once considered the ultimate destination for elite point guards, but also help get Arizona back to the Final Four for the first time in nearly two decades.
There's optimism in Tucson that Quinerly and Williams will not only be able to re-ignite what was once considered the ultimate destination for elite point guards, but also help get Arizona back to the Final Four
ChooChooCat wrote:Arizona, UNC, St. Johns, Georgia Tech, and probably Duke.NYCat wrote:
Not saying we'll land him, but Arizona has put itself in a great spot, just have to get the visit set up.Jefe wrote:247 still has Little 69% UNC 31% AZ
ChooChooCat wrote:Not saying we'll land him, but Arizona has put itself in a great spot, just have to get the visit set up.Jefe wrote:247 still has Little 69% UNC 31% AZ
I remember Coach Miller demanding that TJ do more to create his own offense - shoot more consistently from three and force the other team to respect him as a scorer. Do we not all remember that?rgdeuce wrote:TJ had offensive limitations? Dude shot 50% from the floor as a senior. Outside of his 32% from 3 his senior year (a better 36 as a junior), TJ was more than fine offensively and had a nice mid-range pull-up game, especially when you consider the weapons around him.
I remember that vividly. A lot of us here were calling for TJ to be more assertive when needed, to take those open jumpers they were giving him. I just dont find "offensive limitations" and lack of assertiveness to be the same thing. We had spacing issues both of TJ's years and while he certainly didn't help when he let teams sag off, it became much more of a dire situation when the ball got in AG, Rondae and Stanley's (during his shooting slump) hands on the perimeter. 36% from 3 (TJs JR year) is more than respectable for a pass-first point. While that dipped to 32% as a senior, his ability to knock down a jumper off the dribble one or two steps inside the arc more than made up for it. TJ in the NBA game, I agree, those are limitations, but in college, he just needed someone to get on him about taking the shots he should be taking (he did learn), and to me that isnt a limitation.YoDeFoe wrote:I remember Coach Miller demanding that TJ do more to create his own offense - shoot more consistently from three and force the other team to respect him as a scorer. Do we not all remember that?rgdeuce wrote:TJ had offensive limitations? Dude shot 50% from the floor as a senior. Outside of his 32% from 3 his senior year (a better 36 as a junior), TJ was more than fine offensively and had a nice mid-range pull-up game, especially when you consider the weapons around him.
Yes TJ evolved his midrange and floater game to be lethal, but his outside shot was sorely lacking and he was definitely a pass first guard who on a team without many shooters (Gordon, RHJ, Zeus, Ashley all lacked range) caused some spacing problems when he allowed teams to sag off of him.
NYCat wrote:How is that alphabetical?!
NYCat wrote:How is that alphabetical?!
Well we know 29% of peeps are wrongJefe wrote:The Logo Alphabet duh![]()
247 says 57% Duke 29% KU 14% UK
Oh?Main Event wrote:That was an eventful 10 minutes
Interesting that he's cut to just us and LSU though if he's a heavy LSU lean. I would assume it's a first come, first serve basis? Does this put any presssure on Bol to speed up his commit? Thanks!NYCat wrote:Always been LSU. I mean I hope so because I rather have Bol.