Bear Down Wildcats

AZCatGirl wrote:I'm glad we're getting more 4 year players again, for the record. But Miller's other problem is that players don't seem to be improving as the season goes along anymore. If the team doesn't show any growth once again, I'm not sure I'd give him the benefit of the doubt and extend his contract.

Could it be that we are looking for more dramatic in-season improvement because we know the kids won’t be here that long? With 3 and 4 year players we talk about how excited we are to see what they can do with another offseason of work.

That's true, but it felt like the team we saw in March was pretty much the same team we saw in November. I know we'll never know what could've happened, but the last game we won felt more like an aberration rather than progress.

Maybe a team full of kids that don't have one foot out the door already will make a difference in their willingness to want to get better. I'm sure Miller is betting on that as well.

SCCats wrote:

IndianaZonaFan wrote:You can’t complain abot talent level of the starters and then preach that we need 4 year guys....THESE ARE THE FOUR YEAR GUYS!!!!! Pick a side

So we are now officially trying to pull four year guys?

Is that the “pivot” here?

So now some want to give credit for bringing the fbi, getting no results, destroying the roster and then completely pivoting (by choice or...???) to a new strategy that will nicely take three years to properly implement?

Excuses for days. Like mana from heaven.

Pivot??

I see no evidence of a "Pivot".

What I see is that we crapped out on all of the top drawer talent we were pursuing and ended up signing some less highly rated players. We might end up better off in the long run without the OAD's but I would not call this years class a pivot.

The 2020 class on the west coast was weird this year to put it nicely. That greatly impacted our recruiting for this class. If you want I can go into detail, but all you gotta do is look at the top west coast guys in this class and you can easily figure it out.

ChooChooCat wrote:The 2020 class on the west coast was weird this year to put it nicely. That greatly impacted our recruiting for this class. If you want I can go into detail, but all you gotta do is look at the top west coast guys in this class and you can easily figure it out.

I am not sure I follow, was it due to allegiances to shoe companies? Not sure I fully get why we missed out and didn't recruit so many top guys out west. I get Mobley, Jalen Green, MarJon and Boston. I do not get not hitting on a single one of Nix, Zaire, Christopher, Askew and Puff

gronk4heisman wrote:

ChooChooCat wrote:The 2020 class on the west coast was weird this year to put it nicely. That greatly impacted our recruiting for this class. If you want I can go into detail, but all you gotta do is look at the top west coast guys in this class and you can easily figure it out.

I am not sure I follow, was it due to allegiances to shoe companies? Not sure I fully get why we missed out and didn't recruit so many top guys out west. I get Mobley, Jalen Green, MarJon and Boston. I do not get not hitting on a single one of Nix, Zaire, Christopher, Askew and Puff

Nix - UnderArmour
Ziaire - We were in it, but family pushed Stanford for obvious reasons
Christopher - Was not going to pick Arizona when his bro is at ASU
Askew - He went to Kentucky dude, that's not exactly odd.
Puff - You're really going to call him a west coast guy? Ok. Do I really need to explain why he chose UNC?

In a normal world Arizona lands Marjon Beauchamp this year.

Choo, do you know why Beauchamp dropped in the rankings?

Going pro (kinda) made sense when he was a top 25/20 5* prospect early in the rankings but he's dropped to the mid 30s to high 40s since then

RondaeShimmy wrote:Choo, do you know why Beauchamp dropped in the rankings?

Going pro (kinda) made sense when he was a top 25/20 5* prospect early in the rankings but he's dropped to the mid 30s to high 40s since then

Honestly I stopped paying attention to him altogether when he announced his moronic decision. My guess is just some other guys behind him got better.

dmjcat wrote:

SCCats wrote:

IndianaZonaFan wrote:You can’t complain abot talent level of the starters and then preach that we need 4 year guys....THESE ARE THE FOUR YEAR GUYS!!!!! Pick a side

So we are now officially trying to pull four year guys?

Is that the “pivot” here?

So now some want to give credit for bringing the fbi, getting no results, destroying the roster and then completely pivoting (by choice or...???) to a new strategy that will nicely take three years to properly implement?

Excuses for days. Like mana from heaven.

Pivot??

I see no evidence of a "Pivot".

What I see is that we crapped out on all of the top drawer talent we were pursuing and ended up signing some less highly rated players. We might end up better off in the long run without the OAD's but I would not call this years class a pivot.

What I see is there’s zero value for one-and-done players for the one season that’s unlikely to take place at all.

I don't see Walton getting playing time at UNC with their recruiting class. Maybe a transfer to Minnesota after one year, and a parade of strippers?

BigSkyCatinMT wrote:I don't see Walton getting playing time at UNC with their recruiting class. Maybe a transfer to Minnesota after one year, and a parade of strippers?

Is our program radioactive at the moment or is UNC just sexier? Maybe both.

Hasn’t UNC always been sexier?

Chicat wrote:Hasn’t UNC always been sexier?

Even for old timers, it always has been. What true basketball fanatic would not want to be part of the Tobacco Road rivalries?

Although Smith's 4 corners offense was extremely painful to watch.

Beachcat97 wrote:

BigSkyCatinMT wrote:I don't see Walton getting playing time at UNC with their recruiting class. Maybe a transfer to Minnesota after one year, and a parade of strippers?

Is our program radioactive at the moment or is UNC just sexier? Maybe both.

UNC is his dream school. That doesn't always matter to guys (see Josh Green), but to some it does. I doubt he sticks there, but he can at least say he ended up at his dream school for a bit.

Chicat wrote:Hasn’t UNC always been sexier?

Throughout most of history, yes. But there’ve been some moments, some stretches, where we actually were among the sexiest programs. Our on-court success coupled with our track record for getting guys to the NBA made us the premier program in the West. Lute and Sean have been able to recruit nationally, drawing interest from all corners and landing elite recruits again and again.

But UNC has numerous championships, numerous all time great players, and they’ve got MJ. So, yes, they’re sexier. But they’re also coming off a really bad season by their standards. Just like us. So I’m not sure their sexiness is as strong as it has been.

Who was the last great shooter we’ve had?

Fill Torres, but he got benched after going 1 for 1.

Lauri Markkanen FG .492 3p .423 ft .835
Derrick Williams fg .595 3p .568 ft .746

Postmaster wrote:Who was the last great shooter we’ve had?

Kevin O'Neill?

UAEebs86 wrote:

Postmaster wrote:Who was the last great shooter we’ve had?

Kevin O'Neill?

aaaaaaaaaaand Cut! You win for tonight. Take your trophy and pour yourself a strong one.

UAEebs86 wrote:

Postmaster wrote:Who was the last great shooter we’ve had?

Kevin O'Neill?

I've resisted saying so for years but fuck it. That's zonagrad.

Every thing about that picture is amazing.

Longhorned wrote:

UAEebs86 wrote:

Postmaster wrote:Who was the last great shooter we’ve had?

Kevin O'Neill?

I've resisted saying so for years but fuck it. That's zonagrad.

That’s absolutely NOT me. I’m way better looking.

That pic still remains one of my all time favorites!

Alieberman wrote:That pic still remains one of my all time favorites!

That pic, and the one where Ivan Radenovic is being molested by a dude with chin nuts at a Hooters, brings back so many memories.

It’s not just the fact of the chin nuts, it’s how it hit the boards. Dude came out of nowhere and came to boast. Ivan was clearly drunk and there was no doubt he mistook the guy’s forearm for the Hooter girl’s. And then the guy had no answer when the whole board laughed him off the internet.

Good ol’ chinnuts. Those were the days.

Merk posted the pic in another thread.

Get 'er done

Lineup looking something like this?

J. Akinjo- 6’1”- Guard-RS Sophomore
J. Baker- 6’4”- Guard- Senior
B. Mathurin- 6’6”- Wing- Freshman
A. Tubelis- 6’9”- Big- Freshman
J. Brown- 6’11”- Big- RS Sophomore

Bench
I. Lee- 6’8”- Big- Senior
C. Koloko- 7’0”- Big- Sophomore
D. Terry- 6’6”- Guard- Freshman
K. Kriisa- 6’2”- Guard- Freshman
T. Brown- 6’1”- Guard- Senior GT

Garbage Time
D. Batcho- 6’10”- Big- Freshman
T. Tubelis- 6’7”- Wing- Freshman
T. Gorener- 6’8”- Wing- Freshman

IndianaZonaFan wrote:Lineup looking something like this?

J. Akinjo- 6’1”- Guard-RS Sophomore
J. Baker- 6’4”- Guard- Senior
B. Mathurin- 6’6”- Wing- Freshman
A. Tubelis- 6’9”- Big- Freshman
J. Brown- 6’11”- Big- RS Sophomore

Bench
I. Lee- 6’8”- Big- Senior
C. Koloko- 7’0”- Big- Sophomore
D. Terry- 6’6”- Guard- Freshman
K. Kriisa- 6’2”- Guard- Freshman
T. Brown- 6’1”- Guard- Senior GT

Garbage Time
D. Batcho- 6’10”- Big- Freshman
T. Tubelis- 6’7”- Wing- Freshman
T. Gorener- 6’8”- Wing- Freshman

I believe Baker would be a junior. He can have a big impact on this team for the next two years if he stays healthy.

IndianaZonaFan wrote:Lineup looking something like this?

J. Akinjo- 6’1”- Guard-RS Sophomore
J. Baker- 6’4”- Guard- Senior
B. Mathurin- 6’6”- Wing- Freshman
A. Tubelis- 6’9”- Big- Freshman
J. Brown- 6’11”- Big- RS Sophomore

Bench
I. Lee- 6’8”- Big- Senior
C. Koloko- 7’0”- Big- Sophomore
D. Terry- 6’6”- Guard- Freshman
K. Kriisa- 6’2”- Guard- Freshman
T. Brown- 6’1”- Guard- Senior GT

Garbage Time
D. Batcho- 6’10”- Big- Freshman
T. Tubelis- 6’7”- Wing- Freshman
T. Gorener- 6’8”- Wing- Freshman

IndianaZonaFan wrote:Lineup looking something like this?

J. Akinjo- 6’1”- Guard-RS Sophomore
J. Baker- 6’4”- Guard- Senior
B. Mathurin- 6’6”- Wing- Freshman
A. Tubelis- 6’9”- Big- Freshman
J. Brown- 6’11”- Big- RS Sophomore

Bench
I. Lee- 6’8”- Big- Senior
C. Koloko- 7’0”- Big- Sophomore
D. Terry- 6’6”- Guard- Freshman
K. Kriisa- 6’2”- Guard- Freshman
T. Brown- 6’1”- Guard- Senior GT

Garbage Time
D. Batcho- 6’10”- Big- Freshman
T. Tubelis- 6’7”- Wing- Freshman
T. Gorener- 6’8”- Wing- Freshman

Baker is a Junior and Akinjo is apparently a Junior according to Scheer. So if he doesn't get a waiver to play in the fall he'll only play 1.5 years at Arizona. Jordan Brown also isn't a redshirt, he just sat out a year when he transferred.

I pretty much agree with the starters and bench. Choo thinks Kriisa starts from the get go and I somewhat agree. I think Terrell Brown will start for a bit then Kriisa takes over during conference play.

Usually there's a 7-8 man core that will play the most and only play in tight, close games. I think that 7-8 man rotation will be something like..

Akinjo
Kriisa
Mathurin
Tubelis
J. Brown

Baker
Terry
Koloko

RondaeShimmy wrote:

IndianaZonaFan wrote:Lineup looking something like this?

J. Akinjo- 6’1”- Guard-RS Sophomore
J. Baker- 6’4”- Guard- Senior
B. Mathurin- 6’6”- Wing- Freshman
A. Tubelis- 6’9”- Big- Freshman
J. Brown- 6’11”- Big- RS Sophomore

Bench
I. Lee- 6’8”- Big- Senior
C. Koloko- 7’0”- Big- Sophomore
D. Terry- 6’6”- Guard- Freshman
K. Kriisa- 6’2”- Guard- Freshman
T. Brown- 6’1”- Guard- Senior GT

Garbage Time
D. Batcho- 6’10”- Big- Freshman
T. Tubelis- 6’7”- Wing- Freshman
T. Gorener- 6’8”- Wing- Freshman

Baker is a Junior and Akinjo is apparently a Junior according to Scheer. So if he doesn't get a waiver to play in the fall he'll only play 1.5 years at Arizona. Jordan Brown also isn't a redshirt, he just sat out a year when he transferred.

I pretty much agree with the starters and bench. Choo thinks Kriisa starts from the get go and I somewhat agree. I think Terrell Brown will start for a bit then Kriisa takes over during conference play.

Usually there's a 7-8 man core that will play the most and only play in tight, close games. I think that 7-8 man rotation will be something like..

Akinjo
Kriisa
Mathurin
Tubelis
J. Brown

Baker
Terry
Koloko

I listed Brown as a RS just to show he’s older than a sophomore. Also I believe Baker is technically a senior. He got a waiver to play immediately when he transferred but I don’t think that waiver reinstated any extra year(s) of eligibility. I could be wrong, and I’m sure if he wanted to he could get a medical RS for one of his years at UK. This years guard rotation is hard to determine, and I don’t know how Miller is going to bump Ira Lee out of the rotation. He has to have improved and at least keep his 13 minutes from last year right?

Baker has played two years, he does not need to apply for a medical redshirt he can just use a normal redshirt for his Freshman year in which he didn't play. On the school website he was considered a RS Sophomore last year. Additionally, you are correct that Jordan Brown is a redshirt Sophomore, you need to use a redshirt in the year you sit out during a transfer.

gronk4heisman wrote:Baker has played two years, he does not need to apply for a medical redshirt he can just use a normal redshirt for his Freshman year in which he didn't play. On the school website he was considered a RS Sophomore last year.

Thanks! Appreciate it

IndianaZonaFan wrote:and I don’t know how Miller is going to bump Ira Lee out of the rotation. He has to have improved and at least keep his 13 minutes from last year right?

Correct me if I'm wrong but Lee hasn't really played many crunch time minutes. With Tubelis being far better and Jordan the same but can play PF and C, I just don't see his minutes improving.

Imo you mostly make a jump from freshman to your sophomore season. Lee is who he is at this point, I don't think he can be more than a role player.

Akinjo 25/Krissa 15
Baker 20/Krissa 5/Brown 10/Terry 5
Mathurin 25/Terry 15
Tubelis 20/Brown 10/Lee 10
Brown 15/Koloko 15/Tubelis 5/Batcho 5
Groener RS
Tubelis RS

Ultimately, I think the crunch time/tournament rotation is:
Akinjo
Krissa
Baker
Mathurin
Terry
Tubelis
Brown
Koloko

baycat93 wrote:Akinjo 25/Krissa 15
Baker 20/Krissa 5/Brown 10/Terry 5
Mathurin 25/Terry 15
Tubelis 20/Brown 10/Lee 10
Brown 15/Koloko 15/Tubelis 5/Batcho 5
Groener RS
Tubelis RS

Ultimately, I think the crunch time/tournament rotation is:
Akinjo
Krissa
Baker
Mathurin
Terry
Tubelis
Brown
Koloko

I am really getting too old to try and remember so many new faces each and every year! Fortunately this group may stay around

IndianaZonaFan wrote:Lineup looking something like this?

J. Akinjo- 6’1”- Guard-RS Sophomore
J. Baker- 6’4”- Guard- Senior
B. Mathurin- 6’6”- Wing- Freshman
A. Tubelis- 6’9”- Big- Freshman
J. Brown- 6’11”- Big- RS Sophomore

Bench
I. Lee- 6’8”- Big- Senior
C. Koloko- 7’0”- Big- Sophomore
D. Terry- 6’6”- Guard- Freshman
K. Kriisa- 6’2”- Guard- Freshman
T. Brown- 6’1”- Guard- Senior GT

Garbage Time
D. Batcho- 6’10”- Big- Freshman
T. Tubelis- 6’7”- Wing- Freshman
T. Gorener- 6’8”- Wing- Freshman

The All-Who Are These Guys team.

enfuego wrote:

IndianaZonaFan wrote:Lineup looking something like this?

J. Akinjo- 6’1”- Guard-RS Sophomore
J. Baker- 6’4”- Guard- Senior
B. Mathurin- 6’6”- Wing- Freshman
A. Tubelis- 6’9”- Big- Freshman
J. Brown- 6’11”- Big- RS Sophomore

Bench
I. Lee- 6’8”- Big- Senior
C. Koloko- 7’0”- Big- Sophomore
D. Terry- 6’6”- Guard- Freshman
K. Kriisa- 6’2”- Guard- Freshman
T. Brown- 6’1”- Guard- Senior GT

Garbage Time
D. Batcho- 6’10”- Big- Freshman
T. Tubelis- 6’7”- Wing- Freshman
T. Gorener- 6’8”- Wing- Freshman

The All-Who Are These Guys team.

Isn't that what Kansas was saying in Birmingham back in '97?

Chicat wrote:

IndianaZonaFan wrote:Lineup looking something like this?

J. Akinjo- 6’1”- Guard-RS Sophomore
J. Baker- 6’4”- Guard- Senior
B. Mathurin- 6’6”- Wing- Freshman
A. Tubelis- 6’9”- Big- Freshman
J. Brown- 6’11”- Big- RS Sophomore

Bench
I. Lee- 6’8”- Big- Senior
C. Koloko- 7’0”- Big- Sophomore
D. Terry- 6’6”- Guard- Freshman
K. Kriisa- 6’2”- Guard- Freshman
T. Brown- 6’1”- Guard- Senior GT

Garbage Time
D. Batcho- 6’10”- Big- Freshman
T. Tubelis- 6’7”- Wing- Freshman
T. Gorener- 6’8”- Wing- Freshman

Chicat wrote:

enfuego wrote:The All-Who Are These Guys team.

See, when I say it, it's funny. When you say it, it's not.

Maybe it's the delivery. Maybe it's your face...

enfuego wrote:

IndianaZonaFan wrote:Lineup looking something like this?

J. Akinjo- 6’1”- Guard-RS Sophomore
J. Baker- 6’4”- Guard- Senior
B. Mathurin- 6’6”- Wing- Freshman
A. Tubelis- 6’9”- Big- Freshman
J. Brown- 6’11”- Big- RS Sophomore

Bench
I. Lee- 6’8”- Big- Senior
C. Koloko- 7’0”- Big- Sophomore
D. Terry- 6’6”- Guard- Freshman
K. Kriisa- 6’2”- Guard- Freshman
T. Brown- 6’1”- Guard- Senior GT

Garbage Time
D. Batcho- 6’10”- Big- Freshman
T. Tubelis- 6’7”- Wing- Freshman
T. Gorener- 6’8”- Wing- Freshman

The All-Who Are These Guys team.

Dude, have you seen your incoming recruiting class?

ChooChooCat wrote:

enfuego wrote:

IndianaZonaFan wrote:Lineup looking something like this?

J. Akinjo- 6’1”- Guard-RS Sophomore
J. Baker- 6’4”- Guard- Senior
B. Mathurin- 6’6”- Wing- Freshman
A. Tubelis- 6’9”- Big- Freshman
J. Brown- 6’11”- Big- RS Sophomore

Bench
I. Lee- 6’8”- Big- Senior
C. Koloko- 7’0”- Big- Sophomore
D. Terry- 6’6”- Guard- Freshman
K. Kriisa- 6’2”- Guard- Freshman
T. Brown- 6’1”- Guard- Senior GT

Garbage Time
D. Batcho- 6’10”- Big- Freshman
T. Tubelis- 6’7”- Wing- Freshman
T. Gorener- 6’8”- Wing- Freshman

The All-Who Are These Guys team.

Dude, have you seen your incoming recruiting class?

Probably not. He’s too busy hate stalking Arizona.

ChooChooCat wrote:

enfuego wrote:

IndianaZonaFan wrote:Lineup looking something like this?

J. Akinjo- 6’1”- Guard-RS Sophomore
J. Baker- 6’4”- Guard- Senior
B. Mathurin- 6’6”- Wing- Freshman
A. Tubelis- 6’9”- Big- Freshman
J. Brown- 6’11”- Big- RS Sophomore

Bench
I. Lee- 6’8”- Big- Senior
C. Koloko- 7’0”- Big- Sophomore
D. Terry- 6’6”- Guard- Freshman
K. Kriisa- 6’2”- Guard- Freshman
T. Brown- 6’1”- Guard- Senior GT

Garbage Time
D. Batcho- 6’10”- Big- Freshman
T. Tubelis- 6’7”- Wing- Freshman
T. Gorener- 6’8”- Wing- Freshman

The All-Who Are These Guys team.

Dude, have you seen your incoming recruiting class?

Yep. #1 Juco 2g/sf, Top 20 combo guard, Top 100 PF/C, a rs pg and a project pg. Filled our needs nicely.

enfuego wrote:

ChooChooCat wrote:

enfuego wrote:

IndianaZonaFan wrote:Lineup looking something like this?

J. Akinjo- 6’1”- Guard-RS Sophomore
J. Baker- 6’4”- Guard- Senior
B. Mathurin- 6’6”- Wing- Freshman
A. Tubelis- 6’9”- Big- Freshman
J. Brown- 6’11”- Big- RS Sophomore

Bench
I. Lee- 6’8”- Big- Senior
C. Koloko- 7’0”- Big- Sophomore
D. Terry- 6’6”- Guard- Freshman
K. Kriisa- 6’2”- Guard- Freshman
T. Brown- 6’1”- Guard- Senior GT

Garbage Time
D. Batcho- 6’10”- Big- Freshman
T. Tubelis- 6’7”- Wing- Freshman
T. Gorener- 6’8”- Wing- Freshman

The All-Who Are These Guys team.

Dude, have you seen your incoming recruiting class?

Yep. #1 Juco 2g/sf, Top 20 combo guard, Top 100 PF/C, a rs pg and a project pg. Filled our needs nicely.

Translation: 1 5 star guy and 3 guys ranked far under every Arizona recruit except one.

Which one did Snoop fire a money gun at?

enfuego wrote:

ChooChooCat wrote:

enfuego wrote:

IndianaZonaFan wrote:Lineup looking something like this?

J. Akinjo- 6’1”- Guard-RS Sophomore
J. Baker- 6’4”- Guard- Senior
B. Mathurin- 6’6”- Wing- Freshman
A. Tubelis- 6’9”- Big- Freshman
J. Brown- 6’11”- Big- RS Sophomore

Bench
I. Lee- 6’8”- Big- Senior
C. Koloko- 7’0”- Big- Sophomore
D. Terry- 6’6”- Guard- Freshman
K. Kriisa- 6’2”- Guard- Freshman
T. Brown- 6’1”- Guard- Senior GT

Garbage Time
D. Batcho- 6’10”- Big- Freshman
T. Tubelis- 6’7”- Wing- Freshman
T. Gorener- 6’8”- Wing- Freshman

The All-Who Are These Guys team.

Dude, have you seen your incoming recruiting class?

Yep. #1 Juco 2g/sf, Top 20 combo guard, Top 100 PF/C, a rs pg and a project pg. Filled our needs nicely.

And who is coaching if Self is suspended for the season?

ChooChooCat wrote:

enfuego wrote:

ChooChooCat wrote:

enfuego wrote:

IndianaZonaFan wrote:Lineup looking something like this?

J. Akinjo- 6’1”- Guard-RS Sophomore
J. Baker- 6’4”- Guard- Senior
B. Mathurin- 6’6”- Wing- Freshman
A. Tubelis- 6’9”- Big- Freshman
J. Brown- 6’11”- Big- RS Sophomore

Bench
I. Lee- 6’8”- Big- Senior
C. Koloko- 7’0”- Big- Sophomore
D. Terry- 6’6”- Guard- Freshman
K. Kriisa- 6’2”- Guard- Freshman
T. Brown- 6’1”- Guard- Senior GT

Garbage Time
D. Batcho- 6’10”- Big- Freshman
T. Tubelis- 6’7”- Wing- Freshman
T. Gorener- 6’8”- Wing- Freshman

The All-Who Are These Guys team.

Dude, have you seen your incoming recruiting class?

Yep. #1 Juco 2g/sf, Top 20 combo guard, Top 100 PF/C, a rs pg and a project pg. Filled our needs nicely.

Translation: 1 5 star guy and 3 guys ranked far under every Arizona recruit except one.

Bingo.