Who's staying? Who's going?

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Mon Apr 10, 2017 1:19 pm

I still don't undersntd why chase would leave. He has star standout all over him with a weak draft class if he comes back.

Right now at best he's destined for Europe.

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Mon Apr 10, 2017 1:24 pm

Can anyone really be that surprised that one would make a seemingly risky move if his name was Chance?

zonagrad · Post by **zonagrad** » Mon Apr 10, 2017 1:32 pm

Alieberman wrote:Can anyone really be that surprised that one would make a seemingly risky move if his name was Chance?

That was good.

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Mon Apr 10, 2017 1:33 pm

Big picture: A lot of players are using the opportunity. The list is really long. Aaron Holiday and Thomas Welch just added to it. Most are not hiring agents.

Doesn't mean they're not coming back. A lot of conclusion jumping going on. This isn't just a UofA thing.

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Mon Apr 10, 2017 1:35 pm

Alieberman wrote:Can anyone really be that surprised that one would make a seemingly risky move if his name was Chance?

My Chief concern is ...

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Mon Apr 10, 2017 1:39 pm

gumby wrote:Big picture: A lot of players are using the opportunity. The list is really long. Aaron Holiday and Thomas Welch just added to it. Most are not hiring agents.

Doesn't mean they're not coming back. A lot of conclusion jumping going on.

Maybe they know something we don't and they're not telling us because that would be no fun for them.

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Mon Apr 10, 2017 1:45 pm

"They" being?

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Mon Apr 10, 2017 1:49 pm

Hopefully both Kobi and Chance left in good academic standing, as to not hurt the team APR. Don't know what the latest rules are, but from what I have read Kobi stopped going to class for some time.

NYCat · Post by **NYCat** » Mon Apr 10, 2017 1:54 pm

According to his Snapchat, Chance is still in LA today.

Hmm

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Mon Apr 10, 2017 1:58 pm

If Chance isn't going to class he should not get any privileges when he returns.

Really hope Miller Book and Romar can bring in smarter players who will stick around and completely buy into Arizona Basketball

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Mon Apr 10, 2017 2:54 pm

PHXCATS wrote:If Chance isn't going to class he should not get any privileges when he returns.

Really hope Miller Book and Romar can bring in smarter players who will stick around and completely buy into Arizona Basketball

We don't get those players. They go to UNC Duke mich st and Kansas.

We get the 5* with some dings on the record who look at Arizona as a pit stop.

Jefe · Post by **Jefe** » Mon Apr 10, 2017 3:06 pm

whatisee wrote:Dusan is a white mans Eugene Edgerson without the afro and beating anyone up.

Worst comparison ever. 2 completely different games.

cpt · Post by **cpt** » Mon Apr 10, 2017 3:31 pm

Merkin wrote:New DX list out.

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2017/" target="_blank

Lauri still 7.

Kobi at 52.

No other Cats listed.

This is why I'm not an NBA Scout: I would figure Dillon Brooks to be a top 10 pick for sure.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Mon Apr 10, 2017 3:49 pm

cpt wrote:
Merkin wrote:New DX list out.

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2017/" target="_blank

Lauri still 7.

Kobi at 52.

No other Cats listed.
This is why I'm not an NBA Scout: I would figure Dillon Brooks to be a top 10 pick for sure.

Tweeners without major athleticism never are projected to be a high pick.

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Mon Apr 10, 2017 4:00 pm

Jefe wrote:
whatisee wrote:Dusan is a white mans Eugene Edgerson without the afro and beating anyone up.
Worst comparison ever. 2 completely different games.

Agreed. Sean Rooks maybe but in no way is he EE and Rooks was in the NBA for 10 years plus with his offensive moves and being a plus in the locker room

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Mon Apr 10, 2017 4:25 pm

Jefe wrote:
whatisee wrote:Dusan is a white mans Eugene Edgerson without the afro and beating anyone up.
Worst comparison ever. 2 completely different games.

Yeah. That was weird. Gene was an undersized EnerGizer Bunny with zero post moves.

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Mon Apr 10, 2017 4:26 pm

cpt wrote:
Merkin wrote:New DX list out.

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2017/" target="_blank

Lauri still 7.

Kobi at 52.

No other Cats listed.
This is why I'm not an NBA Scout: I would figure Dillon Brooks to be a top 10 pick for sure.

Justin Jackson demonstrated why he isn't. NBA filled with guys longer and quicker than Brooks at that position.

TucsonClip · Post by **TucsonClip** » Mon Apr 10, 2017 4:40 pm

ChooChooCat wrote:
cpt wrote:
Merkin wrote:New DX list out.

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2017/" target="_blank

Lauri still 7.

Kobi at 52.

No other Cats listed.
This is why I'm not an NBA Scout: I would figure Dillon Brooks to be a top 10 pick for sure.
Tweeners without major athleticism never are projected to be a high pick.

Not a fan at all. Hes a situational scorer who is going to have to play SF. Hes not athletic enough to make more of an impact at that position, nor is he long or strong enough to play PF. Not a big fan of his at the next level. Situational role player at best, IMO.

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Mon Apr 10, 2017 4:54 pm

gumby wrote:"They" being?

Just a general, resentful, self-defeating "they."

McKale Midwest · Post by **McKale Midwest** » Mon Apr 10, 2017 5:35 pm

Tyler Dorsey just declared for the draft and will sign an agent. That's got to be a good thing for Arizona, just another wing that would go ahead of Trier in the draft... Plus we don't have to watch him light it up another year, and think "what could have been".

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Mon Apr 10, 2017 5:43 pm

TucsonClip wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
cpt wrote:
Merkin wrote:New DX list out.

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2017/" target="_blank

Lauri still 7.

Kobi at 52.

No other Cats listed.
This is why I'm not an NBA Scout: I would figure Dillon Brooks to be a top 10 pick for sure.
Tweeners without major athleticism never are projected to be a high pick.
Not a fan at all. Hes a situational scorer who is going to have to play SF. Hes not athletic enough to make more of an impact at that position, nor is he long or strong enough to play PF. Not a big fan of his at the next level. Situational role player at best, IMO.

This. Brooks is good in college, but NBA wise, he has to play the 3. At that position, not much stands out.

I remember people saying Rondae would have shut him down. In the NBA, there are a lot of Rondae's.

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Mon Apr 10, 2017 5:53 pm

Spaceman Spiff wrote:
TucsonClip wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
cpt wrote:
Merkin wrote:New DX list out.

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2017/" target="_blank

Lauri still 7.

Kobi at 52.

No other Cats listed.
This is why I'm not an NBA Scout: I would figure Dillon Brooks to be a top 10 pick for sure.
Tweeners without major athleticism never are projected to be a high pick.
Not a fan at all. Hes a situational scorer who is going to have to play SF. Hes not athletic enough to make more of an impact at that position, nor is he long or strong enough to play PF. Not a big fan of his at the next level. Situational role player at best, IMO.
This. Brooks is good in college, but NBA wise, he has to play the 3. At that position, not much stands out.

I remember people saying Rondae would have shut him down. In the NBA, there are a lot of Rondae's.

What about the part where you can do anything you put your mind to if you work hard enough and never stop believing in yourself?

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Tue Apr 11, 2017 9:29 am

Longhorned wrote:
gumby wrote:"They" being?
Just a general, resentful, self-defeating "they."

Love "them."

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Tue Apr 11, 2017 9:31 am

McKale Midwest wrote:Tyler Dorsey just declared for the draft and will sign an agent. That's got to be a good thing for Arizona, just another wing that would go ahead of Trier in the draft... Plus we don't have to watch him light it up another year, and think "what could have been".

Or what could've been if our wings went to Oregon rather than play for a coach who is anti-offense and anti-zone.

Signed,

R&F

az91 · Post by **az91** » Tue Apr 11, 2017 5:35 pm

PHXCATS wrote:If Chance isn't going to class he should not get any privileges when he returns.

Really hope Miller Book and Romar can bring in smarter players who will stick around and completely buy into Arizona Basketball

If Chance isn't going to class, it is unlikely that he returns. Even if he did return, would he be eligible without attending class for weeks if not months?

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Tue Apr 11, 2017 6:42 pm

Lauri left today for Finland after finishing classes.

If Chance and Kobi couldn't do that, the heck with them.

McKale Midwest · Post by **McKale Midwest** » Tue Apr 11, 2017 6:47 pm

Tony Romo is about to get more minutes in the NBA than CC and Kobi. LOL

NYCat · Post by **NYCat** » Tue Apr 11, 2017 6:54 pm

McKale Midwest · Post by **McKale Midwest** » Tue Apr 11, 2017 7:11 pm

NYCat wrote:

I think playing in front of the nations best fans in a packed house in McKale would be what I would miss the most... But what do I know?

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Tue Apr 11, 2017 7:18 pm

Well, I miss AZ gas prices too! And warm summer nights.

Need a Pastner out there chasing rebounds for Alkins.

McKale Midwest · Post by **McKale Midwest** » Wed Apr 12, 2017 5:23 am

I've heard that Trier is likely to announce his decision this week, and is leaning towards declaring for the draft. Has anybody heard similar news?

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Wed Apr 12, 2017 5:32 am

McKale Midwest wrote:I've heard that Trier is likely to announce his decision this week, and is leaning towards declaring for the draft. Has anybody heard similar news?

It's always been expected he will declare without an agent and go through the process, ditto with Rawle of course. They'd both be stupid not to do so as there's no repercussions at all to declaring without an agent. Have always been told if Trier does not get a 1st round promise then the expectation is that he will return. I'm not sure what it would take for Rawle to stay in the draft, but the final expectations are the same as Zo. Anything could happen though.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Wed Apr 12, 2017 6:47 am

ChooChooCat wrote:
McKale Midwest wrote:I've heard that Trier is likely to announce his decision this week, and is leaning towards declaring for the draft. Has anybody heard similar news?
It's always been expected he will declare without an agent and go through the process, ditto with Rawle of course. They'd both be stupid not to do so as there's no repercussions at all to declaring without an agent. Have always been told if Trier does not get a 1st round promise then the expectation is that he will return. I'm not sure what it would take for Rawle to stay in the draft, but the final expectations are the same as Zo. Anything could happen though.

The only caveat I would put on that is you can only go through the process once. If I were Rawle or Trier and thought I'm a second rounder right now and borderline first next year, I'd try to save the eval to get that first round promise next year if I thought it was unlikely this year.

Of course, I am not Rawle/Trier.

NYCat · Post by **NYCat** » Wed Apr 12, 2017 7:31 am

Spaceman Spiff wrote: The only caveat I would put on that is you can only go through the process once. If I were Rawle or Trier and thought I'm a second rounder right now and borderline first next year, I'd try to save the eval to get that first round promise next year if I thought it was unlikely this year.

Of course, I am not Rawle/Trier.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Wed Apr 12, 2017 7:44 am

Spaceman Spiff wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
McKale Midwest wrote:I've heard that Trier is likely to announce his decision this week, and is leaning towards declaring for the draft. Has anybody heard similar news?
It's always been expected he will declare without an agent and go through the process, ditto with Rawle of course. They'd both be stupid not to do so as there's no repercussions at all to declaring without an agent. Have always been told if Trier does not get a 1st round promise then the expectation is that he will return. I'm not sure what it would take for Rawle to stay in the draft, but the final expectations are the same as Zo. Anything could happen though.
The only caveat I would put on that is you can only go through the process once. If I were Rawle or Trier and thought I'm a second rounder right now and borderline first next year, I'd try to save the eval to get that first round promise next year if I thought it was unlikely this year.

Of course, I am not Rawle/Trier.

That's an old rule, you can go through the process as many times as you want now.

Also refer to NYCAT's post, I'm so bad at reading a whole thread before replying.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Wed Apr 12, 2017 8:18 am

NYCat wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote: The only caveat I would put on that is you can only go through the process once. If I were Rawle or Trier and thought I'm a second rounder right now and borderline first next year, I'd try to save the eval to get that first round promise next year if I thought it was unlikely this year.

Of course, I am not Rawle/Trier.

My bad, was obviously thinking of the old rule. As I stand corrected, I agree there's no downside to testing the waters.

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Wed Apr 12, 2017 8:35 am

Arguably, there is a downside in getting exposed, as in Jason Gardner. Still, I don't think even that matters, since your limitations are your limitations.

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Wed Apr 12, 2017 9:44 am

I get that everyone has their own thing and there are family issues and pressures etc. But some of these guys have been huge disappointments off the court and it is frustrating to see.

NYCat · Post by **NYCat** » Wed Apr 12, 2017 9:59 am

84Cat · Post by **84Cat** » Wed Apr 12, 2017 10:02 am

Damn, why would anyone want to coach college ball anymore? How do you know who is actually coming back? This needs to change for the good of the game.

NYCat · Post by **NYCat** » Wed Apr 12, 2017 10:10 am

If Rawle/Trier declare w/o agents does Bowen commit or do they have to announce they're staying in the draft?

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Wed Apr 12, 2017 10:10 am

NYCat wrote:If Rawle/Trier declare w/o agents does Bowen commit or do they have to announce they're staying in the draft?

*shrugs*

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Wed Apr 12, 2017 10:12 am

PHXCATS wrote:I get that everyone has their own thing and there are family issues and pressures etc. But some of these guys have been huge disappointments off the court and it is frustrating to see.

Who has been a huge disappointment off the court? No one is getting in trouble with the school or the law. So I'm curious as to what you're referring to.

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Wed Apr 12, 2017 10:15 am

Chicat wrote:
PHXCATS wrote:I get that everyone has their own thing and there are family issues and pressures etc. But some of these guys have been huge disappointments off the court and it is frustrating to see.
Who has been a huge disappointment off the court? No one is getting in trouble with the school or the law. So I'm curious as to what you're referring to.

Attending classes, I think.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Wed Apr 12, 2017 10:18 am

I can deal with that. Also, a pretty classy statement by Rawle.

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Wed Apr 12, 2017 10:19 am

84Cat wrote:Damn, why would anyone want to coach college ball anymore? How do you know who is actually coming back? This needs to change for the good of the game.

Coaches know in early May. It does cause confusion on who to pursue in the meantime, but it clarifies soon.

Since it seems like a sensible thing to do (why not get assessed?), I wonder why the decision itself requires a formal announcement with rhetorical flourishes. Just go do it.

If you actually do leave, then announce.

McKale Midwest · Post by **McKale Midwest** » Wed Apr 12, 2017 10:20 am

Good lord. What a blow to the gut. Rawle is one my favorite Wildcats in recent years. I'm really hoping he comes back for another year, as I think he is going tk make a huge jump from freshman- sophomore.

With that being said. I haven't seen him in any mock drafts. Is that because he was presumed to be staying, or is he not actually predicted to be drafted?

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Wed Apr 12, 2017 10:24 am

The list of guys declaring is much longer than the number of available spots. I do believe this is the new normal. But the announcements themselves do leave the impression that they are gone.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Wed Apr 12, 2017 10:25 am

Who is a better prospect for this year's draft, RA or AT?

Can't believe we could lose both.

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Wed Apr 12, 2017 10:26 am

Chicat wrote:
PHXCATS wrote:I get that everyone has their own thing and there are family issues and pressures etc. But some of these guys have been huge disappointments off the court and it is frustrating to see.
Who has been a huge disappointment off the court? No one is getting in trouble with the school or the law. So I'm curious as to what you're referring to.

Chance and Kobi with class

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