let's talk '15

rgdeuce · Post by **rgdeuce** » Wed Mar 04, 2015 8:13 am

Puerco wrote:There was a recent ESPN recruiting blurb that finished up with Goodman saying UA would be the best place for Zimmerman. Any chance?

They had a recruiting special the other day on ESPNU. ESPN's head of recruiting (or whatever his title was) predicted he stayed on the west coast (UCLA, us, UNLV) and said Arizona was the best fit. He leaned Arizona. But doesn't sound like that is the case.

CBCat · Post by **CBCat** » Wed Mar 04, 2015 8:28 am

Newportcat wrote:Wooden Classic in what is basically a high school gym at Cal State Fullerton will be awesome

Not in Anaheim anymore?

So there!

Newportcat · Post by **Newportcat** » Wed Mar 04, 2015 11:12 am

I believe the final championship game is at the Honda Center but the prelim games are at CS Fullerton. Literally their gym is a high school gym so will kind of be like watching a game in Maui.

I hate the Honda Center though

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Wed Mar 04, 2015 11:19 am

rgdeuce wrote:
Puerco wrote:There was a recent ESPN recruiting blurb that finished up with Goodman saying UA would be the best place for Zimmerman. Any chance?
They had a recruiting special the other day on ESPNU. ESPN's head of recruiting (or whatever his title was) predicted he stayed on the west coast (UCLA, us, UNLV) and said Arizona was the best fit. He leaned Arizona. But doesn't sound like that is the case.

If Z has a goal of developing for the pros, we win that easily. Want to play for a championship? Arizona is also the best fit there. Those things don't always control the process, though.

Reydituto · Post by **Reydituto** » Wed Mar 04, 2015 3:36 pm

PJC will get handed the keys to the car next year.

97cats · Post by **97cats** » Wed Mar 04, 2015 3:47 pm

Zimmerman = zero chance

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Wed Mar 04, 2015 3:49 pm

97cats wrote:Zimmerman = zero chance

UCLA? UNLV? Kansas?

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Wed Mar 04, 2015 3:51 pm

Reydituto wrote:PJC will get handed the keys to the car next year.

And a phone book to sit on?

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Wed Mar 04, 2015 3:57 pm

Merkin wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:As great as our two incoming guards are, it's hard to imagine either of them starting over PJC and GY. So I'm guessing our starting five looks like this next season:

PJC
GY
Smith
Anderson
Rabb

If Tarc or Ashley stays, wow. But like someone said upthread, I think our whole starting five is gone.

How many minutes did PJC get in the second half against Utah. Every team is going to exploit his height (or lack there of).

Simon lists at 6'5" (another JP Prince!) and has a 6'11" wingspan.

York is 6'3" and obviously more of a combo guard than true PG like TJ and PJC.

Also can't leave Trier off the court, a true scorer.

Trier will get minutes, obviously. But I think PJC is our guy at PG next season. There have been tons of undersized PGs who've starred in college, some at AZ.

rgdeuce · Post by **rgdeuce** » Wed Mar 04, 2015 3:57 pm

he will fill out over time and look less like Lil Bow Wow.

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Wed Mar 04, 2015 4:03 pm

Some small guys can play.

Reydituto · Post by **Reydituto** » Wed Mar 04, 2015 4:05 pm

Spaceman Spiff wrote:
Reydituto wrote:PJC will get handed the keys to the car next year.
And a phone book to sit on?

His height is not the issue many want to make it. He does need another 10-15 pounds of muscle. But he is a Natural Born Point Guard.

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Wed Mar 04, 2015 4:31 pm

Bad decision recruiting and starting Damon Stoudamire. Too short. Everyone could see that.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Wed Mar 04, 2015 4:46 pm

Reydituto wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:
Reydituto wrote:PJC will get handed the keys to the car next year.
And a phone book to sit on?
His height is not the issue many want to make it. He does need another 10-15 pounds of muscle. But he is a Natural Born Point Guard.

I like PJC and think he will be a solid 4 year player that we're glad to have.

That doesn't mean I don't like height jokes. I'm only concerned about his size on D. Offensively, he just needs to consistently stick the J and he'll be fine.

Reydituto · Post by **Reydituto** » Wed Mar 04, 2015 5:04 pm

Spaceman Spiff wrote:
Reydituto wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:
Reydituto wrote:PJC will get handed the keys to the car next year.
And a phone book to sit on?
His height is not the issue many want to make it. He does need another 10-15 pounds of muscle. But he is a Natural Born Point Guard.
I like PJC and think he will be a solid 4 year player that we're glad to have.

That doesn't mean I don't like height jokes. I'm only concerned about his size on D. Offensively, he just needs to consistently stick the J and he'll be fine.

Fair enough, most the people who make height jokes about PJC use them as denigration or criticism, not humor.

Defensively, I think the fact PJC has a relatively long wingspan (6'3") for his height, and that he can switch to stay on the perimeter in this system, means he should be fine.

legallykenny · Post by **legallykenny** » Wed Mar 04, 2015 5:10 pm

gumby wrote:Bad decision recruiting and starting Damon Stoudamire. Too short. Everyone could see that.

Lute and Miller look for a different balance of skills between offense and defense. I really love PJC's completely effortless ability to break down a defense and his ball security, but he's going to have to get much stronger to defend and board the way Miller relied on TJ to the past two years. And we don't yet know if PJC has an absolutely unstoppable pull up 3 the way Damon did either.

But next year's team is going to have to be MUCH more offensively focused anyway because it's hard to see it being even close to as good defensively as last season and this season, so it might be a good fit.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Wed Mar 04, 2015 5:32 pm

Reydituto wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:
Reydituto wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:
Reydituto wrote:PJC will get handed the keys to the car next year.
And a phone book to sit on?
His height is not the issue many want to make it. He does need another 10-15 pounds of muscle. But he is a Natural Born Point Guard.
I like PJC and think he will be a solid 4 year player that we're glad to have.

That doesn't mean I don't like height jokes. I'm only concerned about his size on D. Offensively, he just needs to consistently stick the J and he'll be fine.
Fair enough, most the people who make height jokes about PJC use them as denigration or criticism, not humor.

Defensively, I think the fact PJC has a relatively long wingspan (6'3") for his height, and that he can switch to stay on the perimeter in this system, means he should be fine.

Where we will suffer is that CSM will no longer be able to switch everyone on defense. With McConnell there are very few mismatches. With PJC, there are definitely more.

97cats · Post by **97cats** » Wed Mar 04, 2015 8:31 pm

you're on a roll, Chi -- good stuff

must be March!!

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Wed Mar 04, 2015 8:35 pm

I'm peaking at the right moment.

az91 · Post by **az91** » Thu Mar 05, 2015 12:19 am

dcZONAfan wrote: No way both Brash and Zeus stay. I'd say it's more likely Zeus, but I'd be surprised if either are on this team next year.

As for Comanche....dude's not gonna contribute next year. He needs time, and we are going to have to be patient with him. Luckily we have Ristic and Anderson to hold it down, and maybe some guy w/ the initials IR?

If we don't get IR or some other (hopefully elite) big man recruit besides Zimmerman (aka zero chance), why would Comanche not contribute next year? If he can play defense, I think he can get minutes.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Thu Mar 05, 2015 12:25 am

az91 wrote:
dcZONAfan wrote: No way both Brash and Zeus stay. I'd say it's more likely Zeus, but I'd be surprised if either are on this team next year.

As for Comanche....dude's not gonna contribute next year. He needs time, and we are going to have to be patient with him. Luckily we have Ristic and Anderson to hold it down, and maybe some guy w/ the initials IR?
If we don't get IR or some other (hopefully elite) big man recruit besides Zimmerman (aka zero chance), why would Comanche not contribute next year? If he can play defense, I think he can get minutes.

We're getting Rabb.

97cats · Post by **97cats** » Thu Mar 05, 2015 5:43 am

patience

dcZONAfan · Post by **dcZONAfan** » Thu Mar 05, 2015 8:08 am

az91 wrote: If we don't get IR or some other (hopefully elite) big man recruit besides Zimmerman (aka zero chance), why would Comanche not contribute next year? If he can play defense, I think he can get minutes.

Same as CV this year. Not ready for the college game, which is why I said we will need to be patient w/ him. I'm not sure why you would think that someone will be a contributor immediately as a freshman just because he is tall.

Few recruits make impact as freshman unless they are the elite (ESPECIALLY in CSM's system), and Comanche is not an elite recruit.

HiCat · Post by **HiCat** » Thu Mar 05, 2015 8:10 am

97cats wrote:patience

sounds positive

(caveat - as I sit meditating, wearing my rose colored glasses)

PennZona20 · Post by **PennZona20** » Thu Mar 05, 2015 11:04 am

To me, Rabb is waiting to see whag Bash does. He has stated he likes how UA said they would use him similar to Bash, and he probably wants to see what Bash decides since hes not a 1st rounder right now.

What Zeus does is irrelevant to IR imo. IR isnt coming to play the 5. Hes a stretch 4.

Hopefully Zeus stays because with either Rabb or Bash, we have FF potential next year.

PJC
York
Smith / Trier
IR / Bash
Zeus

Bench of :
Smith / Trier
Pitts
Anderson
Kadeem
Dusan
Simon
Comanche (likely RS)

That's a talented team. Personally i would rather have a senior Bash than a fresh IR (especially if theres little chance IR is a 2 year player), but IR is no consolation prize. Either way we r pfficially UK West. So healthy as a program we will reload and contend every year.

But next year, Zeus returning to lead team is key to contending. It would also give Deuce another year to develop ..... his lateral quickness still needs a lot of work. Ideally him taking over as an upperclassman is much more ideal.

luteformayor2 · Post by **luteformayor2** » Thu Mar 05, 2015 11:25 am

PennZona20 wrote:
Hopefully Zeus stays because with either Rabb or Bash, we have FF potential next year.

PJC
York
Smith / Trier
IR / Bash
Zeus

Bench of :
Smith / Trier
Pitts
Anderson
Kadeem
Dusan
Simon
Comanche (likely RS)

That's a talented team.

That lineup right there is a better, more talented, more athletic, more unstoppable version on the current Kentucky "platoon" thing. That lineup is the most stacked team Arizona has ever had, by far.

I put "platoon" in quotation marks because teams like Arkansas and Loyola Marymount did it way before this. But when Cal does something, it is obviously the first ever.

PennZona20 · Post by **PennZona20** » Thu Mar 05, 2015 11:32 am

Kentucky this year would have more depth in paint i think. Not on perimeter though.

Like i said, Zeus comes back and we are right there next year. Great time to be a fan. Arizona is as poised for success for the foreseeable future as any team in the country.

ZONACAT · Post by **ZONACAT** » Thu Mar 05, 2015 11:49 am

Ideally Bash and Tarc stay, because there is no professional basketball reasons that would indicate they should leave. However, logic and reasoning rarely matter in these decisions and I expect both to leave.

It's okay because Ryan Anderson is going to be the starting PF next year and he is going to be great.

Look at that.

If Rabb wants to put his fake friendship with Cuonzo ahead of winning, go for it. I'll happily take a fifth year senior, with a year of practice in the system, up against him 2-3x for Rabb's singular year (unless Cuonzo pulls his Stokes magic on him!) Cal is going to suck next year with or without Ivan.

Arizona won't have the depth to redshirt Comanche but I hope he is more patient than Victor.

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Thu Mar 05, 2015 12:07 pm

luteformayor2 wrote:
PennZona20 wrote:
Hopefully Zeus stays because with either Rabb or Bash, we have FF potential next year.

PJC
York
Smith / Trier
IR / Bash
Zeus

Bench of :
Smith / Trier
Pitts
Anderson
Kadeem
Dusan
Simon
Comanche (likely RS)

That's a talented team.
That lineup right there is a better, more talented, more athletic, more unstoppable version on the current Kentucky "platoon" thing. That lineup is the most stacked team Arizona has ever had, by far.

I put "platoon" in quotation marks because teams like Arkansas and Loyola Marymount did it way before this. But when Cal does something, it is obviously the first ever.

As far as depth, yes. But four of them would be freshmen, and productivity would be uncertain. Plus, I'd expect a transfer or two, especially on the perimeter.

We've certainly had more talented backcourts. For instance, this year and last year. And Stoudamire/Reeves. Gardner/Arenas. Simon/Bibby/Terry/Dickerson. Possibly, Gardner/Stoudamire, Geary/Simon and Kerr/McMillan.

Lotta depth in the backcourt, but productivity is a question mark. It's the key to next season. Also, IR could be concerned with Ryan Anderson. He was a 14 and 7 guy at Boston College who is stronger and more experienced.

Bosy Billups · Post by **Bosy Billups** » Thu Mar 05, 2015 12:14 pm

luteformayor2 wrote:
PennZona20 wrote:
Hopefully Zeus stays because with either Rabb or Bash, we have FF potential next year.

PJC
York
Smith / Trier
IR / Bash
Zeus

Bench of :
Smith / Trier
Pitts
Anderson
Kadeem
Dusan
Simon
Comanche (likely RS)

That's a talented team.

That lineup right there is a better, more talented, more athletic, more unstoppable version on the current Kentucky "platoon" thing. That lineup is the most stacked team Arizona has ever had, by far.

Wait, was this supposed to be serious? 40-0 serious?

97cats · Post by **97cats** » Thu Mar 05, 2015 12:30 pm

97cats wrote:Ivan Rabb = #1 priority in the 2015 class

June 27, 2014

97cats · Post by **97cats** » Thu Mar 05, 2015 12:31 pm

97cats wrote:some things are worth the wait, this is one of them

July 2, 2014

catgrad97 · Post by **catgrad97** » Thu Mar 05, 2015 12:32 pm

The sticking factor with Ashley is draft ceiling and potential.

The more games Zeus has like Utah going forward, the better chance he has of being outta here. Scouts who were already going to give him a first-round guarantee on his height and defensive acumen alone will be no doubt panting in his ear that he'll be a lotto pick if he builds on his performance in Salt Lake.

Ashley's more of a tweener whose defense and shooting have become more inconsistent, not less, over the course of this season.

If BAsh can't correct his free-throw and weak-side help vulnerablities by the time the Cats leave Vegas, Miller could end up next season with Ristic at center, a seven-footer redshirting behind him and three six-nine-plus "power" forwards thinking they should all be entitled to start at the 4.

It's a lot of talent, don't get me wrong, but the best lineup on the floor most of the time (PJC-York-Trier-Ashley/Anderson-Rabb) would be a considerably smaller one than the massive one we've grown accustomed to the last two seasons.

It's a concern because the Utah performance hinted at a plateau in Ashley's game; he needs to be taking that next step the rest of the starters (including York) are taking.

97cats · Post by **97cats** » Thu Mar 05, 2015 12:35 pm

97cats wrote:patience

NBA NBA NBA NBA

Sean Miller is a Witch

October 23, 2014

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Thu Mar 05, 2015 12:36 pm

In 97 I trust

97cats · Post by **97cats** » Thu Mar 05, 2015 12:36 pm

97cats wrote:patience

October 24, 2014

97cats · Post by **97cats** » Thu Mar 05, 2015 12:37 pm

97cats wrote:it's all about Ivan Rabb for the final in '15

November 5, 2014

97cats · Post by **97cats** » Thu Mar 05, 2015 12:40 pm

97cats wrote:patience

March 1, 2015

97cats · Post by **97cats** » Thu Mar 05, 2015 12:41 pm

97cats wrote:patience

March 5, 2015

ZONACAT · Post by **ZONACAT** » Thu Mar 05, 2015 12:43 pm

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Thu Mar 05, 2015 12:50 pm

I don't get it.

84Cat · Post by **84Cat** » Thu Mar 05, 2015 1:11 pm

CalStateTempe wrote:I don't get it.

97 is tooting his horn a little. My take is that things are looking good for IR. It also sounds like Bash is leaning towards leaving for the NBA.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Thu Mar 05, 2015 1:18 pm

dcZONAfan · Post by **dcZONAfan** » Thu Mar 05, 2015 1:28 pm

Chicat wrote:

A+ Chicat.

I've been walking the streets at night, just tryin' to get it right

Bosy Billups · Post by **Bosy Billups** » Thu Mar 05, 2015 1:53 pm

Hmm, we'll have size?

4. Rabb/Anderson
5. Zeus/Ristic/Comanche

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Thu Mar 05, 2015 2:15 pm

CalStateTempe wrote:I don't get it.

A doc should understand patience.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Thu Mar 05, 2015 2:17 pm

I think Tarc's going pro, guys.

84Cat · Post by **84Cat** » Thu Mar 05, 2015 2:21 pm

Beachcat97 wrote:I think Tarc's going pro, guys.

Isn't IR a pf?

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Thu Mar 05, 2015 2:30 pm

84Cat wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:I think Tarc's going pro, guys.
Isn't IR a pf?

Yep. But why not go with a three forward lineup, especially with Anderson and Rabb's size? Or just start Ristic at the 5.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Thu Mar 05, 2015 2:50 pm

Beachcat97 wrote:
84Cat wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:I think Tarc's going pro, guys.
Isn't IR a pf?
Yep. But why not go with a three forward lineup, especially with Anderson and Rabb's size? Or just start Ristic at the 5.

Why worry about positions? If we have Rabb, Comanche, Anderson and Ristic, that's at least three guys who should immediately be ready for major minutes. With a lineup with talent, you just let them figure it out.

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