Bear Down Wildcats

Olsondogg wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:14 am I can’t wait to get off with a wrist slap too and know that we imploded Miller and his team, years after this, for no good reason.

I don’t get why we fought only to submit a few years down the line. Fire him after the Buffalo game, at least that makes sense. For fucks sake you coulda got Lloyd then and we’d be further along now.

Smh.

Maybe could have got Nate Oats instead.

Olsondogg wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:14 am I can’t wait to get off with a wrist slap too and know that we imploded Miller and his team, years after this, for no good reason.

I don’t get why we fought only to submit a few years down the line. Fire him after the Buffalo game, at least that makes sense. For fucks sake you coulda got Lloyd then and we’d be further along now.

Smh.

Actually, we could have gotten either Musselman or Beard in 2018. They were both there for the taking.

dmjcat wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 12:03 pm

Olsondogg wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:14 am I can’t wait to get off with a wrist slap too and know that we imploded Miller and his team, years after this, for no good reason.

I don’t get why we fought only to submit a few years down the line. Fire him after the Buffalo game, at least that makes sense. For fucks sake you coulda got Lloyd then and we’d be further along now.

Smh.

Actually, we could have gotten either Musselman or Beard in 2018. They were both there for the taking.

Correct on this. I'd have had some respect if Bobke had fired Miller in response to the FBI investigation, and it would have 100% resulted in Muss and Beard being leaders for the opening.

I don't think Miller should have come close to being fired over Buffalo. Yeah, it sucked, but if you fire a coach over a tourney upset, you'll be firing a coach every 3-4 years, best case scenario.

Spaceman Spiff wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 12:49 pm

dmjcat wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 12:03 pm

Olsondogg wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:14 am I can’t wait to get off with a wrist slap too and know that we imploded Miller and his team, years after this, for no good reason.

I don’t get why we fought only to submit a few years down the line. Fire him after the Buffalo game, at least that makes sense. For fucks sake you coulda got Lloyd then and we’d be further along now.

Smh.

Actually, we could have gotten either Musselman or Beard in 2018. They were both there for the taking.

Correct on this. I'd have had some respect if Bobke had fired Miller in response to the FBI investigation, and it would have 100% resulted in Muss and Beard being leaders for the opening.

I don't think Miller should have come close to being fired over Buffalo. Yeah, it sucked, but if you fire a coach over a tourney upset, you'll be firing a coach every 3-4 years, best case scenario.

I’m saying that after that season it seemed like a time to cut bait. They seemingly went all in prior to that, and then referenced the lack of wins as the reason for doing the term now.

I agree he should not have been fired. If he had been fired then we coulda easily had more choices in coaches.

Irish27 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 8:04 pm

At least it's something. I think two have already been with the IARP over a year at this point.

Just let us go behind Kansas so folks can compare punishments. If Kansas does not get hammered then we should skate by as well. Don't forget Kansas has a number of players that were held out over the years because of "issues" before they were cleared. One never got to suit up after they questioned why he was driving a new luxury car. It is not one year with them it is a pattern of behavior. Townsend was asking Adidas to influence recruits. Book was steering former athletes to a financial advisor and not increasing Sean Miller's or Arizona's chances. Oh and how is the Self lawsuit coming? Interesting his contract indicated he couldn't be touch for prior violations.

I don't expect additional postseason ineligibility. Just loss of scholarships and possibly vacated wins. They can't suspend Miller because we already punished him much worse.

TheCat wrote: ↑Wed Apr 28, 2021 5:30 pm Just let us go behind Kansas so folks can compare punishments. If Kansas does not get hammered then we should skate by as well. Don't forget Kansas has a number of players that were held out over the years because of "issues" before they were cleared. One never got to suit up after they questioned why he was driving a new luxury car. It is not one year with them it is a pattern of behavior. Townsend was asking Adidas to influence recruits. Book was steering former athletes to a financial advisor and not increasing Sean Miller's or Arizona's chances. Oh and how is the Self lawsuit coming? Interesting his contract indicated he couldn't be touch for prior violations.

The referral petition putting the KU case before the IARP is fucking BLEAK for Kansas.

Located here

This section in particular:

Bylaw 19.11.3.1.1-(g): Increased Stakes
The stakes are particularly high for the Kansas men's basketball program. The Level I allegations include an illicit recruiting scheme, other recruiting violations, a head coach responsibility violation and lack of institutional control. As part of the institutional control allegation, the enforcement staff argues that Kansas played xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx despite knowing that the potential violations would have impacted his eligibility. The enforcement staff also identified a prevalence of aggravating factors for Kansas, Self and Townsend. If a hearing panel concludes that violations occurred, the penalties may be significant.

Good luck with all that, KU.

PS the NCAA shows that they are not at all thrilled with Kansas' behavior in response to the NOA (constantly jumping into the media spotlight to discuss confidential details of the case, cast doubt on the impartiality of the investigation, cast the NCAA in a negative light, etc.)

Ask USC how that works. Hammer time. Can't even follow directions on how large the responses can be which appears to be another violation. That is after they allowed responses to be 2.5X what is normally allowed.

Was this already posted in here? Just came across it

"Did ACE/PGU start this whole mess with Book & the FBI??"

https://playersprogramu.com/index.php?topic=1570.0

Jefe wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 10:58 am Was this already posted in here? Just came across it

"Did ACE/PGU start this whole mess with Book & the FBI??"

https://playersprogramu.com/index.php?topic=1570.0

This is, maybe, the dumbest thing that site has posted and that's really saying something.

We know the source of the FBI investigation - it had nothing to do with Book. It had nothing to do with college basketball at all, at first. So the FBI started the investigation because of a crooked financial adviser in Pittsburgh and at the end of a very long trail they snagged Book BUT ALSO it started with Book.

Genius detective work by PPU.

Are you saying Miller to NC ST?

RondaeShimmy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 2:03 pm

I mean, if you hired a coach who was paying players at his previous job, you've got to be a little disappointed if he doesn't pay players to come to your place.

Maybe ACE was schaublob’s source

Postmaster wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 6:23 pm Are you saying Miller to NC ST?

I hope I hope I hope!!

And I hope they pay 5 mil a year.

Then he'd be right in dickie v's backyard!!

Hope he pees on his fence and let's his dog poop in dickies yard!

https://247sports.com/Article/Zion-Will ... 165508460/

The mother and stepfather of Zion Williamson accepted payments from former Adidas executive Chris Rivers between 2016 and 2019 bank records show, as reported through a record request completed Monday by the Raleigh News & Observer.

According to the records, four separate wire transfers from Rivers’ company, In Your Eye Sports, were made to a joint bank account in the name of Williamson’s mother, Sharonda Anderson, and Williamson's stepfather, Lee Anderson. The payments, made between December 2016 and March 2017, totaled $5,000.

Spaceman Spiff wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 7:58 am https://247sports.com/Article/Zion-Will ... 165508460/

The mother and stepfather of Zion Williamson accepted payments from former Adidas executive Chris Rivers between 2016 and 2019 bank records show, as reported through a record request completed Monday by the Raleigh News & Observer.

According to the records, four separate wire transfers from Rivers’ company, In Your Eye Sports, were made to a joint bank account in the name of Williamson’s mother, Sharonda Anderson, and Williamson's stepfather, Lee Anderson. The payments, made between December 2016 and March 2017, totaled $5,000.

Vitale and his cronies at ESPN will look the other way. And frankly, so will the NCAA. They took down the USC football program for a third-party paying money to Reggie Bush's parents, but somehow one suspects that same scrutiny will not apply to Duke basketball.

Holy shit

So he was extorting Louisville for money

Meh

84Cat wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 1:22 pm Holy shit

Production of recruiting videos was the violation he was trying to extort Louisville with?

That's only like the 8th worst NCAA violation Pitino committed that day.

Spaceman Spiff wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 5:16 pm

84Cat wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 1:22 pm Holy shit

Production of recruiting videos was the violation he was trying to extort Louisville with?

That's only like the 8th worst NCAA violation Pitino committed that day.

This guy came after Pitino, was a Mack hire. Apparently not all the trash was taken out with Pitino.

Spaceman Spiff wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 7:58 am https://247sports.com/Article/Zion-Will ... 165508460/

The mother and stepfather of Zion Williamson accepted payments from former Adidas executive Chris Rivers between 2016 and 2019 bank records show, as reported through a record request completed Monday by the Raleigh News & Observer.

According to the records, four separate wire transfers from Rivers’ company, In Your Eye Sports, were made to a joint bank account in the name of Williamson’s mother, Sharonda Anderson, and Williamson's stepfather, Lee Anderson. The payments, made between December 2016 and March 2017, totaled $5,000.

So there is actual evidence and a paper trail Zion took money before and while attending Duke, making him ineligible. If I were UNC Charlotte or Davidson, I'd be worried about what kind of punishment they will be getting!

ha!

In 2 years the NCAA will allow some sort of image/likeness/celebrity monetizing and every one of these bullcrap cases looks like the injustice they were to begin with, but everyone got on their pious thrown of cash and spouted sanctimonious bullshit about amateur Athletics and the love of the sport whilest getting paid.

This whole thing really is one of the most perplexing misuses of federal reach in our lifetime. Book went to prison because an agency paid him to steer kids to their agency. It’s just insane.

gronk4heisman wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 5:22 pm

Spaceman Spiff wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 5:16 pm

84Cat wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 1:22 pm Holy shit

Production of recruiting videos was the violation he was trying to extort Louisville with?

That's only like the 8th worst NCAA violation Pitino committed that day.

This guy came after Pitino, was a Mack hire. Apparently not all the trash was taken out with Pitino.

That's not trash. The funniest part to me is he tried to extort them for the most innocuous violation ever.

They were paying players, paying prostitutes for players and Gaudio was trying to blackmail them over recruiting videos.

gronk4heisman wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 5:22 pm

Spaceman Spiff wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 5:16 pm

84Cat wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 1:22 pm Holy shit

Production of recruiting videos was the violation he was trying to extort Louisville with?

That's only like the 8th worst NCAA violation Pitino committed that day.

This guy came after Pitino, was a Mack hire. Apparently not all the trash was taken out with Pitino.

Everyone comes after Pitino.

Ha!

azgreg wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 5:42 pm

Further evidence of how far from reality the NCAA is. In the real world, a year or two of litigation for a case is normal.

Things are harder when you're not prosecutor, judge and jury.

It’s a bit ironic that Emmert comes out with this after the U of A President got involved.
Seems like NCAA had no problem with the speed of the process while CSM was here.

NCAA imposes penalties on Creighton associated with the FBI scandal (they didn't go the IARP route)

https://247sports.com/Article/NCAA-hits ... 166848421/

dmjcat wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 8:48 am NCAA imposes penalties on Creighton associated with the FBI scandal (they didn't go the IARP route)

https://247sports.com/Article/NCAA-hits ... 166848421/

Key here is no postseason ban.

JMarkJohns wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 8:59 pm In 2 years the NCAA will allow some sort of image/likeness/celebrity monetizing and every one of these bullcrap cases looks like the injustice they were to begin with, but everyone got on their pious thrown of cash and spouted sanctimonious bullshit about amateur Athletics and the love of the sport whilest getting paid.

This whole thing really is one of the most perplexing misuses of federal reach in our lifetime. Book went to prison because an agency paid him to steer kids to their agency. It’s just insane.

NCAA amateurism is effectively dead, and the association itself may not be far behind
The tenet upon which the NCAA's based is fading, and its power is quickly slipping away

https://www.cbssports.com/college-baske ... -wildcats/

dmjcat wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 8:48 am NCAA imposes penalties on Creighton associated with the FBI scandal (they didn't go the IARP route)

https://247sports.com/Article/NCAA-hits ... 166848421/

If the two allegations regarding academic recruiting misconduct are found to be meritless, then this is essentially the same charge that Arizona is facing: an assistant coach took a bribe to steer players to a sports agency when they went pro.

I'm struggling to believe that the allegation regarding Book is real - the DOJ sure would have liked to have hit him with those extra bribery charges and it would have made for a bigger story ("College athletics is so scandal driven that they've resorted to paying off high school administrators with $40k bribes!"). Far more likely that Book made that $40k bribe up so that he could get himself some more money.

And the Phelps allegation - well... O'Neal enrolled at UCLA (and later LSU) so I'm not sure what Phelps was covering up on O'Neal's behalf to get him into Arizona. Arizona, you'll remember, chose to let Phelps's contract expire rather than firing him for cause.

Take those two allegations off the table and the basis for major punishment becomes pretty difficult to justify, in light of punishments like Creighton and USC and others have received.

I’m still hoping for a show cause against the admin.

Slap on the wrist for TCU, who had an assistant coach take bribes to steer players to the agency (though he gave the money back and avoided jail time because of it).

https://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/me ... duct-rules

Three years probation for TCU and a show cause for the assistant coach.

Corrupt organization

Irish27 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 5:28 pm

The majority was on litigating a case to the US Supreme Court to keep players from getting rights to their own name and likeness. They got slapped down 9-0, despite the NCAA spending millions.

Then, Emmert broke the hypocrisy meter by saying:

"I think this is a really, really propitious moment to sit back and look at a lot of the core assumptions and say, 'You know, if we were going to build college sports again, and in 2020 instead of 1920, what would that look like?'" Emmert said. "What would we change? What would we expect or want to be different in the way we manage it? And this is good. This is the right time."

Yeah...the right time is when you dropped millions to lose a court case fighting for the opposite and now you'd be in violation of a Supreme court ruling if you didn't.

The rube on 1490 just espoused a theory that AZ will leave one scholly open in case the ncaa imposes a reduction this year.

Postmaster wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 3:28 pm The rube on 1490 just espoused a theory that AZ will leave one scholly open in case the ncaa imposes a reduction this year.

Justin Spears?

Postmaster wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 3:28 pm The rube on 1490 just espoused a theory that AZ will leave one scholly open in case the ncaa imposes a reduction this year.

That didn't make much sense when Lloyd floated it. It doesn't make any more sense now.

I doubt the NCAA would make us kick someone off the team or out of school if we filled that last schollie, so where’s the logic?

Maybe if you cant fill it with anyone decent, which appears to be the case, you self sanction one scholly now in hopes you don't lose one later That seems to be the going rate for others in our shoes.

gronk4heisman wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:56 pm Maybe if you cant fill it with anyone decent, which appears to be the case, you self sanction one scholly now in hopes you don't lose one later That seems to be the going rate for others in our shoes.

The issue with that is that the NCAA probably can figure out you're doing that. Heck, we took heat for self-sanctioning a tourney we would have made because "it wasn't as talented as Arizona usually is."

I don't believe the NCAA kicks anyone off your team, but I think if you take a guy and then lose a scholarship you would then need 2 guys to leave for you to add 1 the following year. So maybe it limits your options for the following year?

In the end, if you can't get someone who you think will contribute then I don't see the benefit of just adding another guy anyway.

DrWildcat wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 6:35 am I don't believe the NCAA kicks anyone off your team, but I think if you take a guy and then lose a scholarship you would then need 2 guys to leave for you to add 1 the following year. So maybe it limits your options for the following year?

In the end, if you can't get someone who you think will contribute then I don't see the benefit of just adding another guy anyway.

I'm not sure it's ever an issue. Aiken and Kier are for sure gone next year. Mathurin and Tubelis probably are gone. If Tubelis goes, you'd expect his brother to go as well.

So we could sign a 5 man class without changing our scholarship #. That doesn't even factor in transfers, and transferring is easier than it's ever been.

So, I'm somewhat of the mind you never really worry too much about having spots. That works itself out. Leaving a spot open because we didn't find someone we like...is a double edged sword. Yes, it can be better than someone who isn't a fit. But, it is also on the coach to find fits, and lord knows, there were enough people in the portal.

Spaceman Spiff wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 7:39 am

DrWildcat wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 6:35 am I don't believe the NCAA kicks anyone off your team, but I think if you take a guy and then lose a scholarship you would then need 2 guys to leave for you to add 1 the following year. So maybe it limits your options for the following year?

In the end, if you can't get someone who you think will contribute then I don't see the benefit of just adding another guy anyway.

I'm not sure it's ever an issue. Aiken and Kier are for sure gone next year. Mathurin and Tubelis probably are gone. If Tubelis goes, you'd expect his brother to go as well.

So we could sign a 5 man class without changing our scholarship #. That doesn't even factor in transfers, and transferring is easier than it's ever been.

So, I'm somewhat of the mind you never really worry too much about having spots. That works itself out. Leaving a spot open because we didn't find someone we like...is a double edged sword. Yes, it can be better than someone who isn't a fit. But, it is also on the coach to find fits, and lord knows, there were enough people in the portal.

Aiken has two years of eligibility remaining.