Bear Down Wildcats

Spaceman Spiff wrote:

Puerco wrote:R&F, Miller trotted out a zone last year... This isn't even news.

Yeah, he played zone in the R/B last year. I would suspect zone in practice is a fairly constant thing. It's how you teach players.

When we 2-3 our way to the Final Four, R+F can have his laugh. I'd be shocked if we did that, especially with a defensive weapon like Ayton.

RiseAndFire wrote:uh oh Miller fanboys....Hansen's notebook today: http://tucson.com/sports/arizonawildcat ... 440.html#2" target="_blank

Miller Goes Zone

Not many people noticed, but Sean Miller implemented a zone defense in the first half. And he almost never uses a zone defense — and only when in crisis.

But over the summer, Miller met with the Zen Master of zone defenses, Syracuse’s Jim Boeheim, in attempt to get a better understanding of what has been his club’s Achilles heel. Xavier shut down Arizona in last year’s Sweet 16 with use of a zone defense. By working with Boeheim, it shows that Miller isn’t too stubborn to change.

This is tooooo good, not only did he realize he'll never get to a FF without some zone, but he worked specifically with Boeheim/Syracuse!!

Should be fun watching the Pack-Line-Only-Apologists do a 180 on this one, lol

EOCT wrote:

Spaceman Spiff wrote:

Puerco wrote:R&F, Miller trotted out a zone last year... This isn't even news.

Yeah, he played zone in the R/B last year. I would suspect zone in practice is a fairly constant thing. It's how you teach players.

When we 2-3 our way to the Final Four, R+F can have his laugh. I'd be shocked if we did that, especially with a defensive weapon like Ayton.

(Spiff) "....especially with a defensive weapon like Ayton."

gumby wrote:R&F is a bot.

Discuss.

gumby wrote:R&F is a bot.

Discuss.

Spaceman Spiff wrote:

EOCT wrote:

Spaceman Spiff wrote:

Puerco wrote:R&F, Miller trotted out a zone last year... This isn't even news.

Yeah, he played zone in the R/B last year. I would suspect zone in practice is a fairly constant thing. It's how you teach players.

When we 2-3 our way to the Final Four, R+F can have his laugh. I'd be shocked if we did that, especially with a defensive weapon like Ayton.

(Spiff) "....especially with a defensive weapon like Ayton."

To unpack that, the Pack Line is designed to limit penetration and force contested jumpers. We have never had a dude with basically an 8 foot wingspan who can touch the top of the backboard at the back end of the pack line.

The perimeter guys still need to do their job, but having such a incredible physical talent at the rim, well, even our best defensive teams didn't have that. You have the natural advantages of the pack line combined with a freaky rim protector...that equals a high ceiling on D.

TucsonClip wrote:

Spaceman Spiff wrote:

EOCT wrote:

Spaceman Spiff wrote:

Puerco wrote:R&F, Miller trotted out a zone last year... This isn't even news.

Yeah, he played zone in the R/B last year. I would suspect zone in practice is a fairly constant thing. It's how you teach players.

When we 2-3 our way to the Final Four, R+F can have his laugh. I'd be shocked if we did that, especially with a defensive weapon like Ayton.

(Spiff) "....especially with a defensive weapon like Ayton."

To unpack that, the Pack Line is designed to limit penetration and force contested jumpers. We have never had a dude with basically an 8 foot wingspan who can touch the top of the backboard at the back end of the pack line.

The perimeter guys still need to do their job, but having such a incredible physical talent at the rim, well, even our best defensive teams didn't have that. You have the natural advantages of the pack line combined with a freaky rim protector...that equals a high ceiling on D.

One main issue I have with the pack line is that its too easy to scheme against to pull Ayton away from the basket (or to single out Ristic). At least considering the way Miller has been running his rotations. If he is going to have Ristic and Ayton on the floor together for a majority of their minutes, you can draw Ayton out in ball screen coverage, leaving Ristic to protect the rim and cover rotations off our hard hedge/show.

Obviously, this is certainly more preferred than watching Ristic hedge and recover with no defender behind him, but...

Either way, last season I promised I wouldnt question our defense under Miller anymore, until I actually saw glaring issues, mainly with personnel. Just playing devils advocate, and something to keep an eye on.

Spaceman Spiff wrote:

EOCT wrote:

Spaceman Spiff wrote:

Puerco wrote:R&F, Miller trotted out a zone last year... This isn't even news.

Yeah, he played zone in the R/B last year. I would suspect zone in practice is a fairly constant thing. It's how you teach players.

When we 2-3 our way to the Final Four, R+F can have his laugh. I'd be shocked if we did that, especially with a defensive weapon like Ayton.

(Spiff) "....especially with a defensive weapon like Ayton."

To unpack that, the Pack Line is designed to limit penetration and force contested jumpers. We have never had a dude with basically an 8 foot wingspan who can touch the top of the backboard at the back end of the pack line.

The perimeter guys still need to do their job, but having such a incredible physical talent at the rim, well, even our best defensive teams didn't have that. You have the natural advantages of the pack line combined with a freaky rim protector...that equals a high ceiling on D.

YoDeFoe wrote:

Spaceman Spiff wrote:

EOCT wrote:

Spaceman Spiff wrote:

Puerco wrote:R&F, Miller trotted out a zone last year... This isn't even news.

Yeah, he played zone in the R/B last year. I would suspect zone in practice is a fairly constant thing. It's how you teach players.

When we 2-3 our way to the Final Four, R+F can have his laugh. I'd be shocked if we did that, especially with a defensive weapon like Ayton.

(Spiff) "....especially with a defensive weapon like Ayton."

To unpack that, the Pack Line is designed to limit penetration and force contested jumpers. We have never had a dude with basically an 8 foot wingspan who can touch the top of the backboard at the back end of the pack line.

The perimeter guys still need to do their job, but having such a incredible physical talent at the rim, well, even our best defensive teams didn't have that. You have the natural advantages of the pack line combined with a freaky rim protector...that equals a high ceiling on D.

Add exceptional rebounding as well, since the packline is predicated on the opponent taking bad shots it also requires our defense to corral those misses. Can't recall the game but there was one last year that we lost where we defended well but got out rebounded brutally. Hopefully Miller is chewing on Ayton's ear that every missed ball within the perimeter should be his.

gumby wrote:Can't have everything.

azgreg wrote:

gumby wrote:Can't have everything.

Where would you keep it?

gumby wrote:Best Backcourt.

http://collegebasketball.nbcsports.com/2017/10/24/c/" target="_blank

CalStateTempe wrote:Time and date vs Chico state? I cant seem to find it online

CalStateTempe wrote:Time and date vs Chico state? I cant seem to find it online

gumby wrote:

CalStateTempe wrote:Time and date vs Chico state? I cant seem to find it online

Bookmarks are your friend.

http://www.arizonawildcats.com/schedule ... hedule=388" target="_blank

Next game is Nov. 1.

So we're not playing any of these charity games I see other teams are playing?

gumby wrote:

CalStateTempe wrote:Time and date vs Chico state? I cant seem to find it online

Bookmarks are your friend.

http://www.arizonawildcats.com/schedule ... hedule=388" target="_blank

Next game is Nov. 1.

So we're not playing any of these charity games I see other teams are playing?

ChooChooCat wrote:You're only allowed to play 2 exhibition games in the preseason, which includes scrimmages. All these charity games were set up scrimmages that were meant to be private, but have since been changed for charity purposes. We already had the Eastern New Mexico & Chico games planned so that's all we could do.

ChooChooCat wrote:

CalStateTempe wrote:So is 2018 looking to be a down year or do we have horses in the stable so to speak to mitgste the losses.

Note to self, reread and catch up on 2018 thread...

At the moment this is what our 2018-2019 roster will look like pending transfers:

PG - Alex Barcello
SG - Brandon Randolph, Dylan Smith
SF - Emmanuel Akot
PF - Ira Lee, Shareef O'Neal
C - Chase Jeter

Obviously there are numerous more recruits to be added to this namely a point guard, another wing, and a back up center. At the moment we wouldn't even have enough guys to practice 5 on 5. To answer your question though we'd have horses, but we're a good ways away from fielding a team still.

HiCat wrote:

ChooChooCat wrote:

CalStateTempe wrote:So is 2018 looking to be a down year or do we have horses in the stable so to speak to mitgste the losses.

Note to self, reread and catch up on 2018 thread...

At the moment this is what our 2018-2019 roster will look like pending transfers:

PG - Alex Barcello
SG - Brandon Randolph, Dylan Smith
SF - Emmanuel Akot
PF - Ira Lee, Shareef O'Neal
C - Chase Jeter

Obviously there are numerous more recruits to be added to this namely a point guard, another wing, and a back up center. At the moment we wouldn't even have enough guys to practice 5 on 5. To answer your question though we'd have horses, but we're a good ways away from fielding a team still.

Chase Jeter is a ‘vital cog’ in Arizona’s future
The Duke transfer will likely be Arizona’s starting center in 2018-19 because, well, there might not be any other options
by Ryan Kelapire@RKelapire Oct 26, 2017, 12:15pm PDT

Looking for a fresh start — and to be closer to home — Jeter landed with Arizona which surprisingly lost big man Chance Comanche to the NBA Draft.

“We didn’t do a good enough job (recruiting him) our first time around,” Sean Miller said of Jeter in May, “but we became very familiar with his character and his talent level. And I’m here to tell you, when you look at where he’ll be in his career, his talent physically and what he’s gone through, I think we’re getting an excellent player.”

Miller called the acquisition a “big, big coup.”

“As big as anything we were able to do this spring,” Miller said in May.



The center’s progression as a whole will be paramount for the future of Arizona basketball.

The Wildcats added Jeter hoping he could become the player he was projected to be. Now, with Ristic and Ayton likely gone after this season and recruits hard to come by, they are banking on it.

“Chase will be a vital cog in our future,” Miller affirmed. “He really will.”



“He’s smart, plays both ends, is very deceptive defensively,” Miller characterized Jeter’s game. “He blocks shots, has the ability to offensive and defensive rebound and plays well with other very good players.”

https://www.azdesertswarm.com/basketbal ... e-transfer" target="_blank

Spaceman Spiff wrote:Did we lose Brandon Williams or something?

baycat93 wrote:

Spaceman Spiff wrote:Did we lose Brandon Williams or something?

Thanks SS... I was thinking the same thing... CCC are you expecting him to back out?

threenumberones wrote:

baycat93 wrote:

Spaceman Spiff wrote:Did we lose Brandon Williams or something?

Thanks SS... I was thinking the same thing... CCC are you expecting him to back out?

Naw, the dude just quoted a post from May. BW didn't arrive until June.

YoDeFoe wrote:DeAndre is great in the zone because you can toss the ball over the top to him, he can offensive rebound, and he's smart enough in there to make the team better. It's great to know that early.

YoDeFoe wrote:Miller says it's hard to run an uptempo offense with his style of defense because the harder you are to score against, the longer the opposing team will take to shoot. "It's almost a negative against your own defense" if you're playing uptempo. Miller is relying on Romar's influence to try to push tempo and be a running team "but our defense isn't going to change because we believe in it so we're never going to be an ultra" uptempo team.