Re: 2016-2017 Arizona Basketball
Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2016 8:10 pm
Well that's the first day of classesazcat49 wrote:New date is 1/11 on the street
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Well that's the first day of classesazcat49 wrote:New date is 1/11 on the street
I feel pretty confident it'll be before then.azcat49 wrote:New date is 1/11 on the street
ChooChooCat wrote:I feel pretty confident it'll be before then.azcat49 wrote:New date is 1/11 on the street
A little while later.Beachcat97 wrote:He should be eligible by April.
http://www.espn.com/blog/collegebasketb ... nked-teamsTwo weeks ago, you laughed. We cried.
0-4. Missed every pick. Or ... just four picks from a perfect weekend. It’s all about perspective.
But look at that wacky weekend again. Malik Monk scored 47 in a win over North Carolina. A late run helped Arizona overcome Texas A&M. Notre Dame had a 14-point lead at halftime but lost to Purdue. And we knew Indiana and Butler would battle in a tight game. We just flipped the teams.
deep. Cause, like...we wouldn't have had anything to overcome if A&M hadn't had that run. It would have been just an easy walk, but because A&M came back so strong, we were able to overcome. We Have Overcome!Spaceman Spiff wrote:Maybe he meant that aTm's late run helped us overcome them. It's deeper logic than the sheeple are used to.
If aTm hadn't made that run, we might have just left early to beat traffic and wound up forfeiting.EVCat wrote:deep. Cause, like...we wouldn't have had anything to overcome if A&M hadn't had that run. It would have been just an easy walk, but because A&M came back so strong, we were able to overcome. We Have Overcome!Spaceman Spiff wrote:Maybe he meant that aTm's late run helped us overcome them. It's deeper logic than the sheeple are used to.
Deep, deep shit...
Why exactly?rgdeuce wrote:Indeed. Love this team. Miller should be at the top of National COTY lists so far.
Because we would have won at TCU tonight by 70, not 6.enfuego wrote:Why exactly?rgdeuce wrote:Indeed. Love this team. Miller should be at the top of National COTY lists so far.
12-2 and doing well despite having half a roster.enfuego wrote:Why exactly?rgdeuce wrote:Indeed. Love this team. Miller should be at the top of National COTY lists so far.
Lauri and Chance were needed at the 4. Pinder not a good defender for Rabb.azcat49 wrote:So what was up with Pinder last night? He played very little. Given the foul situation and having only 8 bodies you would think he would get 20 minutes or so. Hardly played
I was thinking the same thing. It's not as if he couldn't be used. Is he in CSMs doghouse. It doesn't make sense. There is something there we aren't seeing.azcat49 wrote:So what was up with Pinder last night? He played very little. Given the foul situation and having only 8 bodies you would think he would get 20 minutes or so. Hardly played
Maybe so. BTW, you called the LM on IR in the second half. Nice call. Guess we will find out tomorrow if he gets usual minutesLonghorned wrote:Lauri and Chance were needed at the 4. Pinder not a good defender for Rabb.azcat49 wrote:So what was up with Pinder last night? He played very little. Given the foul situation and having only 8 bodies you would think he would get 20 minutes or so. Hardly played
enfuego wrote:Why exactly?rgdeuce wrote:Indeed. Love this team. Miller should be at the top of National COTY lists so far.
He really is quite terrible. He is a body and allows for others to get some quick rest, but he is a liability. Is there a layup he has not missed yet this season?rgdeuce wrote:Pinder's minutes in general are going to take a hit with each wing who returns.
You're missing Trier. How is that half a roster? You have more post depth than most teams and are still loaded at the guard position. You also have a lot of returning experience. Hardly "half a roster".ASUHATER! wrote:12-2 and doing well despite having half a roster.enfuego wrote:Why exactly?rgdeuce wrote:Indeed. Love this team. Miller should be at the top of National COTY lists so far.
Do some research before making stupid comments:enfuego wrote:You're missing Trier. How is that half a roster? You have more post depth than most teams and are still loaded at the guard position. You also have a lot of returning experience. Hardly "half a roster".ASUHATER! wrote:12-2 and doing well despite having half a roster.enfuego wrote:Why exactly?rgdeuce wrote:Indeed. Love this team. Miller should be at the top of National COTY lists so far.
PJC - I'll give you. But a 5'6" point guard who shouldn't be starting for a D1 team, is hardly a loss.EastCoastCat wrote:Do some research before making stupid comments:enfuego wrote:You're missing Trier. How is that half a roster? You have more post depth than most teams and are still loaded at the guard position. You also have a lot of returning experience. Hardly "half a roster".ASUHATER! wrote:12-2 and doing well despite having half a roster.enfuego wrote:Why exactly?rgdeuce wrote:Indeed. Love this team. Miller should be at the top of National COTY lists so far.
- PJC has been out for 4 weeks
- Ray Smith, who was supposed to be a key contributor this year, had to retire due to yet another knee injury
- Kadeem Allen missed a few games with an injury
- Chance Comanche missed a few games due to academic problems
- Trier, our best returning player, hasn't played a minute this year
1. Parker Jackson-CartwrightEastCoastCat wrote:Let me put it another way as facts don't seem to be your strong point.
How many other Top 20 teams have been playing with 7 scholarship players?
DesJardins is a walkon and PJC has been out. That equals seven.enfuego wrote:1. Parker Jackson-CartwrightEastCoastCat wrote:Let me put it another way as facts don't seem to be your strong point.
How many other Top 20 teams have been playing with 7 scholarship players?
2. Rawle Alkins
3. Kobi Simmons
4. Kadeem Allen
5. Lauri Markkanen
6. Dusan Ristic
7. Chance Comanche
8. Keanu Pinder
9. Jake DesJardins
Sean Miller said that Kadeem cramped up, and mentioned how much worse the situation would have been if PJC didn't play 20 minutes last night.dirtbags wrote:i nearly went into cardiac arrest when kadeem limped off the floor in the second half last night. thankfully, he returned shortly thereafter and looked all right. anyone know what it was? appeared to be a cramp or bruise - was hoping he didn't re-tweak his knee. it was on the left side, if memory serves...
Just curious why you think Pinder wouldn't have been good on Rabb this game. More length required to defend him?Longhorned wrote:Lauri and Chance were needed at the 4. Pinder not a good defender for Rabb.azcat49 wrote:So what was up with Pinder last night? He played very little. Given the foul situation and having only 8 bodies you would think he would get 20 minutes or so. Hardly played
I understand Ray Smith and Ferguson, but neither ever played for Arizona this year, so I don't count them as losses. I don't think Trier will play one game this season, either.Longhorned wrote:Enfuego, Ray Smith was a starter going into this season, PJC was the starting point guard out since November until back up minutes yesterday, and Trier hasn't played a minute yet. If you watch Arizona's pre-season intrasquad scrimmage and post all the time on an Arizona fan site, then you're not allowed to not know these obvious facts.
Absolutely. And Pinder is at his best against less talented or old-school fours who don't stretch the floor. Rabb would drag Pinder way too far from the rim for comfort. Rabb isn't the quickest but he's too quick for Pinder if he puts the ball on the floor out there. There's certainly a ton of fours who Chance can't guard but he stands a decent chance against Rabb's size. Otherwise, Rabb is a nightmare to defend, and downright unguardable at mid-range when he's feeling it, and when that happens it doesn't matter who's guarding him. Anyway you slice it, Ristic is useless against Rabb, who exposes the defensive limitations of true low-post center in the college game.ChooChooCat wrote:Just curious why you think Pinder wouldn't have been good on Rabb this game. More length required to defend him?Longhorned wrote:Lauri and Chance were needed at the 4. Pinder not a good defender for Rabb.azcat49 wrote:So what was up with Pinder last night? He played very little. Given the foul situation and having only 8 bodies you would think he would get 20 minutes or so. Hardly played
Lumping in Ray Smith with Ferguson is exactly like your wins as "technical losses" posts. Ray Smith is on the 2016-17 roster to this day. He blew his knee out in a pre-season scrimmage, and he's a huge loss to his team.enfuego wrote:I understand Ray Smith and Ferguson, but neither ever played for Arizona this year, so I don't count them as losses. I don't think Trier will play one game this season, either.Longhorned wrote:Enfuego, Ray Smith was a starter going into this season, PJC was the starting point guard out since November until back up minutes yesterday, and Trier hasn't played a minute yet. If you watch Arizona's pre-season intrasquad scrimmage and post all the time on an Arizona fan site, then you're not allowed to not know these obvious facts.
All of that said, Arizona is guard heavy and has a decent post rotation (Ristic/Lauri/Pinder/Chase) and is a legit Sweet 16 team. You can boo hoo all you want about what could have been, or you can be realistic about what you're playing with now. KU goes two deep in the post with Azubuike out for the season and we're title contenders.
I guess you didn't read my post. Let me put it this way: with what you have, you are performing as expected and your ceiling will be Sweet 16. What could of, should of, would of been, is irrelevant. Playing to par would not put Miller in contention for COTY. Heck in the Pac12 that will probably go to Alford and nationally it is still too early to call.Longhorned wrote:Lumping in Ray Smith with Ferguson is exactly like your wins as "technical losses" posts. Ray Smith is on the 2016-17 roster to this day. He blew his knee out in a pre-season scrimmage, and he's a huge loss to his team.enfuego wrote:I understand Ray Smith and Ferguson, but neither ever played for Arizona this year, so I don't count them as losses. I don't think Trier will play one game this season, either.Longhorned wrote:Enfuego, Ray Smith was a starter going into this season, PJC was the starting point guard out since November until back up minutes yesterday, and Trier hasn't played a minute yet. If you watch Arizona's pre-season intrasquad scrimmage and post all the time on an Arizona fan site, then you're not allowed to not know these obvious facts.
All of that said, Arizona is guard heavy and has a decent post rotation (Ristic/Lauri/Pinder/Chase) and is a legit Sweet 16 team. You can boo hoo all you want about what could have been, or you can be realistic about what you're playing with now. KU goes two deep in the post with Azubuike out for the season and we're title contenders.
I did read your post. In the initial post that got you responding, rgdeuce wrote, "Miller should be at the top of National COTY lists so far." You believe that this team should be expected to be where it is now in spite of Miller having to coach through losing his marquee player, his starting 3, his starting point guard for a month, and having to tape over the 1 and the 3 with with shooting guards and a 7-foot power forward playing out of position. Whereas rgdeuce's post is explicitly about Miller's coaching to date, you're stepping outside of the "so far" moment and placing a Sweet 16 ceiling on Arizona. Do I have that right?enfuego wrote:I guess you didn't read my post. Let me put it this way: with what you have, you are performing as expected and your ceiling will be Sweet 16. What could of, should of, would of been, is irrelevant. Playing to par would not put Miller in contention for COTY. Heck in the Pac12 that will probably go to Alford and nationally it is still too early to call.Longhorned wrote:Lumping in Ray Smith with Ferguson is exactly like your wins as "technical losses" posts. Ray Smith is on the 2016-17 roster to this day. He blew his knee out in a pre-season scrimmage, and he's a huge loss to his team.enfuego wrote:I understand Ray Smith and Ferguson, but neither ever played for Arizona this year, so I don't count them as losses. I don't think Trier will play one game this season, either.Longhorned wrote:Enfuego, Ray Smith was a starter going into this season, PJC was the starting point guard out since November until back up minutes yesterday, and Trier hasn't played a minute yet. If you watch Arizona's pre-season intrasquad scrimmage and post all the time on an Arizona fan site, then you're not allowed to not know these obvious facts.
All of that said, Arizona is guard heavy and has a decent post rotation (Ristic/Lauri/Pinder/Chase) and is a legit Sweet 16 team. You can boo hoo all you want about what could have been, or you can be realistic about what you're playing with now. KU goes two deep in the post with Azubuike out for the season and we're title contenders.
You idiot.enfuego wrote:You're missing Trier. How is that half a roster? You have more post depth than most teams and are still loaded at the guard position. You also have a lot of returning experience. Hardly "half a roster".ASUHATER! wrote:12-2 and doing well despite having half a roster.enfuego wrote:Why exactly?rgdeuce wrote:Indeed. Love this team. Miller should be at the top of National COTY lists so far.
Yep.Longhorned wrote:I did read your post. In the initial post that got you responding, rgdeuce wrote, "Miller should be at the top of National COTY lists so far." You believe that this team should be expected to be where it is now in spite of Miller having to coach through losing his marquee player, his starting 3, his starting point guard for a month, and having to tape over the 1 and the 3 with with shooting guards and a 7-foot power forward playing out of position. Whereas rgdeuce's post is explicitly about Miller's coaching to date, you're stepping outside of the "so far" moment and placing a Sweet 16 ceiling on Arizona. Do I have that right?enfuego wrote:I guess you didn't read my post. Let me put it this way: with what you have, you are performing as expected and your ceiling will be Sweet 16. What could of, should of, would of been, is irrelevant. Playing to par would not put Miller in contention for COTY. Heck in the Pac12 that will probably go to Alford and nationally it is still too early to call.Longhorned wrote:Lumping in Ray Smith with Ferguson is exactly like your wins as "technical losses" posts. Ray Smith is on the 2016-17 roster to this day. He blew his knee out in a pre-season scrimmage, and he's a huge loss to his team.enfuego wrote:I understand Ray Smith and Ferguson, but neither ever played for Arizona this year, so I don't count them as losses. I don't think Trier will play one game this season, either.Longhorned wrote:Enfuego, Ray Smith was a starter going into this season, PJC was the starting point guard out since November until back up minutes yesterday, and Trier hasn't played a minute yet. If you watch Arizona's pre-season intrasquad scrimmage and post all the time on an Arizona fan site, then you're not allowed to not know these obvious facts.
All of that said, Arizona is guard heavy and has a decent post rotation (Ristic/Lauri/Pinder/Chase) and is a legit Sweet 16 team. You can boo hoo all you want about what could have been, or you can be realistic about what you're playing with now. KU goes two deep in the post with Azubuike out for the season and we're title contenders.
You can't miss what you never had.luteformayor2 wrote:You idiot.enfuego wrote:You're missing Trier. How is that half a roster? You have more post depth than most teams and are still loaded at the guard position. You also have a lot of returning experience. Hardly "half a roster".ASUHATER! wrote:12-2 and doing well despite having half a roster.enfuego wrote:Why exactly?rgdeuce wrote:Indeed. Love this team. Miller should be at the top of National COTY lists so far.
Players we are still missing from the presumptive roster as of last spring
- Trier
- Ray Smith
- T Ferguson
- Justin Simon