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We really got spoiled the last few classes. Hopefully we have a solid spring recruiting haul.
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ASUHATER! wrote:Yea we may only need a 3 maybe 4 man class. JJ, Markkanen and one or two other 3/4 star player role kinda guys would do the trick.
Don't be surprised if it's only a two man class and we possibly look at a grad transfer.
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Chicat wrote:
ASUHATER! wrote:Yea we may only need a 3 maybe 4 man class. JJ, Markkanen and one or two other 3/4 star player role kinda guys would do the trick.
Don't be surprised if it's only a two man class and we possibly look at a grad transfer.
That's all that's necessary unless we have people leave unexpectedly. If we went the grad transfer route, a big guy to supplement Ristic/Lauri/Chance would be nice.
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Did I miss something?? Did we fall out of the Andrew Jones recruitment? Or does everyone just assume cuz of our shitty luck in Texas we will finish as the bridesmaid again?
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Spaceman Spiff wrote: That said, we lose Zeus, Anderson and York for sure, but really it's legit that everyone else may come back. Next year is not a huge class, but if there's a year where quality should exceed quantity, it's next year. We may have 8 rotation guys returning.
Tollefson too.
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Merkin wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote: That said, we lose Zeus, Anderson and York for sure, but really it's legit that everyone else may come back. Next year is not a huge class, but if there's a year where quality should exceed quantity, it's next year. We may have 8 rotation guys returning.
Tollefson too.
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Chicat wrote:
ASUHATER! wrote:Yea we may only need a 3 maybe 4 man class. JJ, Markkanen and one or two other 3/4 star player role kinda guys would do the trick.
Don't be surprised if it's only a two man class and we possibly look at a grad transfer.
Sounds like code for, JJ ain't coming.

It's weird how AZ hoops seems to move in cycles. We peaked last season and are now declining. Yes, we've had some bad luck with injuries, but our current roster and the one anticipated next season don't come close to the ones we've had the past three years.
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Watching the 97 championship game for the 337th time. Watching Lute get his hair messed up never gets old.
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azgreg wrote:Watching the 97 championship game for the 337th time. Watching Lute get his hair messed up never gets old.
Yeah. '97 starting to feel really, really distant, even the '01 NC game. We really need some fresher memories of glory.

Here's hoping JJ shocks the world and comes to AZ.
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Beachcat97 wrote:
Chicat wrote:
ASUHATER! wrote:Yea we may only need a 3 maybe 4 man class. JJ, Markkanen and one or two other 3/4 star player role kinda guys would do the trick.
Don't be surprised if it's only a two man class and we possibly look at a grad transfer.
Sounds like code for, JJ ain't coming.

It's weird how AZ hoops seems to move in cycles. We peaked last season and are now declining. Yes, we've had some bad luck with injuries, but our current roster and the one anticipated next season don't come close to the ones we've had the past three years.
Why is that code for JJ not coming? He would be #2.

Also, I really disagree about the second paragraph. The 2013-14 season had a string of weeks at #1 and probably a NC if Ashley doesn't break his foot. Also, I don't get how the roster next year is weak, especially if we pull a grad transfer up front. Senior Allen, Soph Trier, RS Smith, Fr Markannen and Jr Ristic has plenty of talent and a good mix of experience and youth.
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Beachcat97 wrote:
Chicat wrote:
ASUHATER! wrote:Yea we may only need a 3 maybe 4 man class. JJ, Markkanen and one or two other 3/4 star player role kinda guys would do the trick.
Don't be surprised if it's only a two man class and we possibly look at a grad transfer.
Sounds like code for, JJ ain't coming.

It's weird how AZ hoops seems to move in cycles. We peaked last season and are now declining. Yes, we've had some bad luck with injuries, but our current roster and the one anticipated next season don't come close to the ones we've had the past three years.
:lol:

The only thing in a cycle is your menstruation.
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PennZona20 wrote:Did I miss something?? Did we fall out of the Andrew Jones recruitment? Or does everyone just assume cuz of our shitty luck in Texas we will finish as the bridesmaid again?
Haven't heard much about Jones recently. When he did not commit on his visit to Tucson a few months ago, most seemed to think he was more of a remote possibility.
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What are you pointing out, HiCat? Just that he's not coming to AZ?
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Beachcat97 wrote:
What are you pointing out, HiCat? Just that he's not coming to AZ?
It's basically a neck and neck three horse race. Why you quitting?
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BC, you're hilarious. Your mood swings are the stuff of legend...

Two weeks ago:
Beachcat97 wrote:Whatever. Miller is a better coach than anyone UCLA can hire, and we're going to add JJ to our '16 class.

Two straight Pac titles, going on three.

Good time to be a 'Cat fan.
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84Cat wrote:hAHA, have fun playing for Alford!
Exactly. And we're adding JJ. Even with Ball and Leaf, our '16 class will still end up better.
And now...
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Chicat wrote:
ASUHATER! wrote:Yea we may only need a 3 maybe 4 man class. JJ, Markkanen and one or two other 3/4 star player role kinda guys would do the trick.
Don't be surprised if it's only a two man class and we possibly look at a grad transfer.
Sounds like code for, JJ ain't coming.
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What are you pointing out, HiCat? Just that he's not coming to AZ?
Meanwhile literally nothing has changed. Not one thing. But you've gone from "JJ is coming to AZ" to "JJ is not coming to AZ" for no reason other than once a month your hormones get out of control.
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Chicat...

Remember who you are responding to.

That is all.
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BUT WE LOST TO PROVIDENCE.
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Spaceman Spiff wrote:BUT WE LOST TO PROVIDENCE.
Correct.

And before his bipolar posting went absurdly positive we had just gotten Lauri.

Watching a game with BC must be hilarious. Confetti after every made basket. Tears and hair pulling after every miss. Probably need to talk him out of jumping off a balcony if the other team goes on a 6-0 run and to tell him to stop proposing to your sister after an Anderson dunk.
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Chicat wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:BUT WE LOST TO PROVIDENCE.
Correct.

And before his bipolar posting went absurdly positive we had just gotten Lauri.

Watching a game with BC must be hilarious. Confetti after every made basket. Tears and hair pulling after every miss. Probably need to talk him out of jumping off a balcony if the other team goes on a 6-0 run and to tell him to stop proposing to your sister after an Anderson dunk.
MSU is arguably the #1 team in the nation; AZ is about to be unranked. So yeah, things have changed. MSU is better positioned for success in 2016-17.
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Beachcat97 wrote:
Chicat wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:BUT WE LOST TO PROVIDENCE.
Correct.

And before his bipolar posting went absurdly positive we had just gotten Lauri.

Watching a game with BC must be hilarious. Confetti after every made basket. Tears and hair pulling after every miss. Probably need to talk him out of jumping off a balcony if the other team goes on a 6-0 run and to tell him to stop proposing to your sister after an Anderson dunk.
MSU is arguably the #1 team in the nation; AZ is about to be unranked. So yeah, things have changed. MSU is better positioned for success in 2016-17.
Change your tampon.
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Chicat wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:
Chicat wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:BUT WE LOST TO PROVIDENCE.
Correct.

And before his bipolar posting went absurdly positive we had just gotten Lauri.

Watching a game with BC must be hilarious. Confetti after every made basket. Tears and hair pulling after every miss. Probably need to talk him out of jumping off a balcony if the other team goes on a 6-0 run and to tell him to stop proposing to your sister after an Anderson dunk.
MSU is arguably the #1 team in the nation; AZ is about to be unranked. So yeah, things have changed. MSU is better positioned for success in 2016-17.
Change your tampon.
Having Rabb shun AZ after how much our coaches invested in this recruitment hurts as well, doesn't it?

Hey, if JJ leaves his home state to play for a program trending downward, albeit a very good program, it would be a tad surprising. Izzo is an institution in MI.
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How does your keyboard even work when it has been drowned in all those tears?

Annnnnnnddddd, onto Ignore you go. I won't be encouraging your particular brand of dumbshittery any further.
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So because we lost to a ranked Providence team and had Smith injured preseason we're a declining program?
i was going to put the ua/asu records here...but i forgot what they were.

i'll just go with fuck asu.
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Beachcat97 wrote:
Chicat wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:BUT WE LOST TO PROVIDENCE.
Correct.

And before his bipolar posting went absurdly positive we had just gotten Lauri.

Watching a game with BC must be hilarious. Confetti after every made basket. Tears and hair pulling after every miss. Probably need to talk him out of jumping off a balcony if the other team goes on a 6-0 run and to tell him to stop proposing to your sister after an Anderson dunk.
MSU is arguably the #1 team in the nation; AZ is about to be unranked. So yeah, things have changed. MSU is better positioned for success in 2016-17.
They're a good program with a HOF coach. You're calling it way too early for 2016, but geez, Izzo and MSU aren't just going to roll over and play dead.

And for the love of all that's good, we have a team with a lot of new people in new roles. It's crazy some people are genuinely shocked that things have not gone 100% smoothly.
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Spaceman Spiff wrote:BUT WE LOST TO PROVIDENCE.
Who had God on the bench. No fair.
Right where I want to be.
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Chicat wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:BUT WE LOST TO PROVIDENCE.
Correct.

And before his bipolar posting went absurdly positive we had just gotten Lauri.

Watching a game with BC must be hilarious. Confetti after every made basket. Tears and hair pulling after every miss. Probably need to talk him out of jumping off a balcony if the other team goes on a 6-0 run and to tell him to stop proposing to your sister after an Anderson dunk.
You're presuming he watches. I have my doubts.
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Having Rabb shun AZ after how much our coaches invested in this recruitment hurts as well, doesn't it?
That was known during one of your upswings.
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I will reserve judgment until the Spring is over.

Otherwise, this class will be a disappointment compared to what it was looking like a year ago.

Long way to go though. Suggest that you back off the ledge for a bit BC.
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Spaceman Spiff wrote:things have not gone 100% smoothly.
We should be careful to note that "not gone smoothly" means a top-15 ranking, a 6-1 record, and being in on arguably the top player in the 2016 class. At other schools it means a 4-3 record with a loss to a mid-major and a blowout against a blueblood, the coach being fairly universally hated, and a tradition being shat upon like a Persian rug in the bathroom of a colonic clinic.

It's all about perspective. BeachCat has none.
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Chicat wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:
It's all about perspective. BeachCat has none.
Oh man. Skepticism is not popular on this board.

How about a Saturday prediction, then, Chi?
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Pssssst....I don't think he can hear you BC. I'm thinking his ignore decision was a smart one, because man oh man are you a buzzkill.
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dcZONAfan wrote:Pssssst....I don't think he can hear you BC. I'm thinking his ignore decision was a smart one, because man oh man are you a buzzkill.
Yeah. Just not yet feeling the "buzz" induced by this year's team. But here's hoping that changes on Saturday.
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Chicat wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:BUT WE LOST TO PROVIDENCE.
Watching a game with BC must be hilarious. Confetti after every made basket. Tears and hair pulling after every miss. Probably need to talk him out of jumping off a balcony if the other team goes on a 6-0 run and to tell him to stop proposing to your sister after an Anderson dunk.
My hell is this scenario along with Machina walking in from outside chanting "Sean Miller sucks because....."
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The 247 predictions are pretty funny. All the MSU buzz happened just after the visit, and if you look at the predictions, half of them are from B1G homer sites. Meanwhile, none of UA's predictions are from PAC homer sites. Don't pay any attention to how many predictions a team has. Pay attention to who's doing the predicting.
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Chicat wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:things have not gone 100% smoothly.
We should be careful to note that "not gone smoothly" means a top-15 ranking, a 6-1 record, and being in on arguably the top player in the 2016 class. At other schools it means a 4-3 record with a loss to a mid-major and a blowout against a blueblood, the coach being fairly universally hated, and a tradition being shat upon like a Persian rug in the bathroom of a colonic clinic.

It's all about perspective. BeachCat has none.
Plus beating Kentucky in front of an almost sold out Pauley Pavillion. IT'S ONLY GETTING WORSE.

I am not contending that the lack of smoothness is unexpected or bad. This team was always destined for more adversity than the last two years had. Even if your program is predicated on reloading every year (Kentucky) you have NIT years (their year with Noel).
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Beachcat97 wrote:
Chicat wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:
Chicat wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:BUT WE LOST TO PROVIDENCE.
Correct.

And before his bipolar posting went absurdly positive we had just gotten Lauri.

Watching a game with BC must be hilarious. Confetti after every made basket. Tears and hair pulling after every miss. Probably need to talk him out of jumping off a balcony if the other team goes on a 6-0 run and to tell him to stop proposing to your sister after an Anderson dunk.
MSU is arguably the #1 team in the nation; AZ is about to be unranked. So yeah, things have changed. MSU is better positioned for success in 2016-17.
Change your tampon.
Having Rabb shun AZ after how much our coaches invested in this recruitment hurts as well, doesn't it?

Hey, if JJ leaves his home state to play for a program trending downward, albeit a very good program, it would be a tad surprising. Izzo is an institution in MI.
You'd have a point if JJ didn't already leave his home state to play HS ball. It's much easier for Arizona to recruit a guy who lives 99% of his days in the state of California than it is for Michigan State.
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Puerco wrote:The 247 predictions are pretty funny. All the MSU buzz happened just after the visit, and if you look at the predictions, half of them are from B1G homer sites. Meanwhile, none of UA's predictions are from PAC homer sites. Don't pay any attention to how many predictions a team has. Pay attention to who's doing the predicting.
I was looking at that last night and noticed the same exact thing :lol:

and BC, the whole leaving his home state thing may not be too much of a reach seeing as how he is playing prep ball in California right now. Trending downward eh? A guy who will be a college star and top 3 pick after his freshman college season is looking at his options and sees a chance to play with:

(Jr) Ristic, (Fr) Lauri, (RSFR) Smith, (SO) Trier (all four guys who have NBA talent); senior and junior point guards in Allen and PJC; (sophomores) Simon and Comanche who will likely be much better. He's going to start, he's going to be the best player, and he's got NBA talent around him, skill down low and on the wings, experienced point guards. And Miller is likely to bring in another grad transfer and is still in the mix for Andrew Jones (favored by several people).

That's trending down to you? Like I've said multiple times in here, only one program has put together top 5 classes (or top 7 by ESPNs standard) for 5 straight years besides us, Kentucky. Sometimes things happen, sometimes you have a down year, sometimes kids look at a roster and are worried about getting time, etc. Were we putting together recruiting runs like that with Lute? Be real. There is a reason there is only one other team that has matched us. Shit happens. Miller has been big enough for long enough for this to be an anomaly should we not land Jackson or Jones. The fact that we are in the top 3 for the guy everyone wants PROVES we are not trending down. The fact that Lauri chose us over UNC PROVES we are not trending down.
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rgdeuce wrote:That's trending down to you? Like I've said multiple times in here, only one program has put together top 5 classes (or top 7 by ESPNs standard) for 5 straight years besides us, Kentucky. Sometimes things happen, sometimes you have a down year, sometimes kids look at a roster and are worried about getting time, etc. Were we putting together recruiting runs like that with Lute? Be real. There is a reason there is only one other team that has matched us. Shit happens. Miller has been big enough for long enough for this to be an anomaly should we not land Jackson or Jones. The fact that we are in the top 3 for the guy everyone wants PROVES we are not trending down. The fact that Lauri chose us over UNC PROVES we are not trending down.
Maybe it's not so much "trending down" as it is unfortunate. We missed our top recruiting target in the '15 class, we've had two critical injuries this season, and we're definitely not "where we want to be" with our top recruiting target in '16.

Things can turn around quickly, especially if we get some happy news from JJ in the next few months.

But as for the current season, we've got our work cut out. Miller has just pointed out in the last couple days that our freshmen this year are not as far along as freshmen in the previous two classes, and that the Zeus injury impacts the team in more ways than most of us realize. I read this as: we're gonna need some luck to recover fully and post a respectable regular season record this year. This is why you have journalists saying things like, "If Miller wins the Pac this year, it'll be the finest coaching performance of his career." I agree.
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That's life though buddy, lol. You just gotta relax, sit back, and let the cards fall where they fall. I don't know how far back you've been a fan, but we've lost the house several times (remember Jason Terry's team?) and ended up fine. If we don't end up fine, at least there is a damn good reason and it is of no fault of Sean Miller's. You lose four starters, the fifth guy misses 1/3 of the season, a sure thing mid major guy turns out to be a bust, at least so far (who saw that coming?); our best incoming freshman is gone the whole season, etc. We have all had time to evaluate this team in the early season and develop realistic expectations. We have already been handed a lot of adversity. Could it get worse? Yes. But it wasnt like we were handed a team we thought was a for sure final 4 team, nor were we clearly the best team in the country and lost Brandon Ashley during a dominant run at #1 in the country.

Sometimes you just have to put things in perspective. We keep bringing up Kentucky: they get absolutely bum-smashed last night by a UCLA team that has looked pretty bad and has some bad losses, that is not even in the same stratosphere as our loss to Providence; 2013-2014 Kentucky was a mess and got an 8 seed, but they managed to turn it on in the tournament and still made it to the title game; 2012-2013 Kentucky was an even bigger mess and didn't even make the NCAA tournament. Yes, they have a load of final fours and a title in that time, but that shows that 1) you can turn a mess into a great tournament run, and 2) even a team that has completely dominated recruiting and done what pretty much nobody has done in the modern era, and put together multiple historic classes has had down moments, and two entirely down seasons (absent one tournament run). Kentucky's last seven classes rank: 1, 2, 1, 2, 1, 1, 1.
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rgdeuce wrote:That's life though buddy, lol. You just gotta relax, sit back, and let the cards fall where they fall. I don't know how far back you've been a fan, but we've lost the house several times (remember Jason Terry's team?) and ended up fine. If we don't end up fine, at least there is a damn good reason and it is of no fault of Sean Miller's. You lose four starters, the fifth guy misses 1/3 of the season, a sure thing mid major guy turns out to be a bust, at least so far (who saw that coming?); our best incoming freshman is gone the whole season, etc. We have all had time to evaluate this team in the early season and develop realistic expectations. We have already been handed a lot of adversity. Could it get worse? Yes. But it wasnt like we were handed a team we thought was a for sure final 4 team, nor were we clearly the best team in the country and lost Brandon Ashley during a dominant run at #1 in the country.

Sometimes you just have to put things in perspective. We keep bringing up Kentucky: they get absolutely bum-smashed last night by a UCLA team that has looked pretty bad and has some bad losses, that is not even in the same stratosphere as our loss to Providence; 2013-2014 Kentucky was a mess and got an 8 seed, but they managed to turn it on in the tournament and still made it to the title game; 2012-2013 Kentucky was an even bigger mess and didn't even make the NCAA tournament. Yes, they have a load of final fours and a title in that time, but that shows that 1) you can turn a mess into a great tournament run, and 2) even a team that has completely dominated recruiting and done what pretty much nobody has done in the modern era, and put together multiple historic classes has had down moments, and two entirely down seasons (absent one tournament run). Kentucky's last seven classes rank: 1, 2, 1, 2, 1, 1, 1.
Great post, rgd. And I appreciate your trying to actually discuss this team rather than getting bent out of shape by even the slightest criticism of AZ and Miller.

All good points about UK. Those recruiting classes do not guarantee anything. Calipari still has to do some coaching, and I don't consider him as good a coach as K or Izzo. I thought UK looked uninterested and a step slow last night. It was UCLA's Super Bowl, but it was just another OOC road game for UK. I also think UK is simply a work in progress this season, and to think they still beat Duke a few weeks ago! Pretty sure that win over Duke is far more significant than the loss to UCLA.

Anyway, yes, AZ has had some very bad luck lately, and it's set us back. It's a shame because we didn't get to see our team at full strength in the Wooden Legacy tourney, nor will we see this on Saturday, or in a few weeks vs. USC and UCLA. Hopefully, the silver lining is that our young guys and reserves get more minutes and develop faster. After two terrific seasons, with very high expectations, I'm ready to let this season play out with any sort of expectation. I had a "FF or bust" mentality all season long last year, and man was that tough pill losing again to Wisconsin. Not as bad as '05, but close. Wanted to see TJ get to the FF.

Here's hoping that Tarc fully recovers, no one else misses games due to injury, Ray Smith sticks around next year, and JJ picks AZ this spring. Too much to ask?
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dcZONAfan wrote:Pssssst....I don't think he can hear you BC. I'm thinking his ignore decision was a smart one, because man oh man are you a buzzkill.
PieceOfMeat's "urging" convinced my to see the light. :lol:

And I would categorize your "buzzkill" classification as being WAY too kind.
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He apparently tore it up tonight against Myles Bridges.
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It seems like our 2016-17 season and the next few years, to some extent, depend on whether we can get the elusive signed LOI from JJ. If he signs, the Final Four is not out of the question next year and the future looks bright. If he does not sign, next year will be a mediocre at best season and the voices saying Miller has peaked are going to get louder.
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There's only one voice saying Miller has peaked and I have his bi-polar ass on ignore.

This idea that one player is the difference between a Final Four and possibly missing the tourney is hilarious. The level of talent on this team next year will still be top-2 in the PAC without JJ, especially with Lauri coming in and Ray Smith coming back.

That being said, we are getting JJ so everyone can calm down now.
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Lol wait, someone is insinuating that if we don't land Jackson we won't even make the tourney next year?
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UNLV game Dec 19th
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Vegas just handled Oregon at home. Gonna be a tough test, especially with Tarc out. Home crowd really gonna be needed. We're gonna drop some road games this year...probably more than we should. But this team is gonna need the McKale faithful to really pick them up. This is an underdog team this year and needs to have that mentality because we don't really have a star player.
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No zona zoo for the unlv game so it will be quieter and more blue hairy than usual.
i was going to put the ua/asu records here...but i forgot what they were.

i'll just go with fuck asu.
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