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Postmaster wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 2:46 pm Once Robbins cancelled the post season, I thought Miller should have let Tibet, Batcho and the walkons get some court time.
I know that’s not the way Miller does things but it’s not as if there was a real downside at that point.
Miller might have thought he still had a job and needed to win to maintain it.Postmaster wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 2:46 pm Once Robbins cancelled the post season, I thought Miller should have let Tibet, Batcho and the walkons get some court time.
I know that’s not the way Miller does things but it’s not as if there was a real downside at that point.
Hoping to add 3 guys soon? Damn.ChooChooCat wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 3:37 pm Btw the Gorener transfer will make more sense here soon enough.
You mean beyond him potentially never working his way into the rotation?ChooChooCat wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 3:37 pm Btw the Gorener transfer will make more sense here soon enough.
Am I hearing a possible transfer coming? Or could it be the kid who just decommitted from UNLV, both those options would be very excitingChooChooCat wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 3:37 pm Btw the Gorener transfer will make more sense here soon enough.
If Tommy pulls in Arthur Kaluma I'll fucking flip - that kid can flat out play and only looks to be getting better.BeardownZonaZona wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 3:57 pmAm I hearing a possible transfer coming? Or could it be the kid who just decommitted from UNLV, both those options would be very excitingChooChooCat wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 3:37 pm Btw the Gorener transfer will make more sense here soon enough.
He does go to school right up the road and he Lloyd knows some guys with connections to said schoolYoDeFoe wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 5:26 pmIf Tommy pulls in Arthur Kaluma I'll fucking flip - that kid can flat out play and only looks to be getting better.BeardownZonaZona wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 3:57 pmAm I hearing a possible transfer coming? Or could it be the kid who just decommitted from UNLV, both those options would be very excitingChooChooCat wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 3:37 pm Btw the Gorener transfer will make more sense here soon enough.
You just throwing that out, or are we actually recruiting him?YoDeFoe wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 5:26 pmIf Tommy pulls in Arthur Kaluma I'll fucking flip - that kid can flat out play and only looks to be getting better.BeardownZonaZona wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 3:57 pmAm I hearing a possible transfer coming? Or could it be the kid who just decommitted from UNLV, both those options would be very excitingChooChooCat wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 3:37 pm Btw the Gorener transfer will make more sense here soon enough.
I think if we end up with any open scholarships we should declare we self imposed a reduction so we can get credit for that. I like given them to walk-ons but in this case might be good to just not fill it.
We’ve regained hope - anything is possible now
I’m not saying these guys should have gotten 20 minutes a game.Spaceman Spiff wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 3:12 pmMiller might have thought he still had a job and needed to win to maintain it.Postmaster wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 2:46 pm Once Robbins cancelled the post season, I thought Miller should have let Tibet, Batcho and the walkons get some court time.
I know that’s not the way Miller does things but it’s not as if there was a real downside at that point.
I also sort of disagree bc I worry you lose the team doing that. You always coach habits, and if you don't show your team you're trying to win 100%, those bad habits creep in.
Also, I've always thought rule 1 has to be you earn PT, it's not given.
I disagree with this take also. If I was coach and my team had the game in hand, I am going to play the players who rarely see the floor. I would not want to play for a coach who didn't care for the whole team. To the team members who rarely play, being able to play in a game is special and moments to be remembered. I would never take that away from them.Spaceman Spiff wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 3:12 pmMiller might have thought he still had a job and needed to win to maintain it.Postmaster wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 2:46 pm Once Robbins cancelled the post season, I thought Miller should have let Tibet, Batcho and the walkons get some court time.
I know that’s not the way Miller does things but it’s not as if there was a real downside at that point.
I also sort of disagree bc I worry you lose the team doing that. You always coach habits, and if you don't show your team you're trying to win 100%, those bad habits creep in.
Also, I've always thought rule 1 has to be you earn PT, it's not given.
He didn't say end of game. I don't have an issue with playing backups in garbage time.Catintheheat wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 9:28 pmI disagree with this take also. If I was coach and my team had the game in hand, I am going to play the players who rarely see the floor. I would not want to play for a coach who didn't care for the whole team. To the team members who rarely play, being able to play in a game is special and moments to be remembered. I would never take that away from them.Spaceman Spiff wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 3:12 pmMiller might have thought he still had a job and needed to win to maintain it.Postmaster wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 2:46 pm Once Robbins cancelled the post season, I thought Miller should have let Tibet, Batcho and the walkons get some court time.
I know that’s not the way Miller does things but it’s not as if there was a real downside at that point.
I also sort of disagree bc I worry you lose the team doing that. You always coach habits, and if you don't show your team you're trying to win 100%, those bad habits creep in.
Also, I've always thought rule 1 has to be you earn PT, it's not given.
Spaceman Spiff wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 8:17 am I also think Miller probably knew he was on the hot seat and was trying to win.
This describes my basketball career quite well.Longhorned wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 7:14 am On the final possession when the game's on the line, a coach should empty his bench and allow for a new hero.
Don't disagree. Don't be the guy who we all have to point to and say, "He towel-snapped Rudy. Yeah, him. The one wearing a towel with the crazy look in his eyes." Look at yourself in the mirror. That's you.
Recently got his release from UNLV and Arizona is recruiting him.Beachcat97 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 5:47 pmYou just throwing that out, or are we actually recruiting him?YoDeFoe wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 5:26 pmIf Tommy pulls in Arthur Kaluma I'll fucking flip - that kid can flat out play and only looks to be getting better.BeardownZonaZona wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 3:57 pmAm I hearing a possible transfer coming? Or could it be the kid who just decommitted from UNLV, both those options would be very excitingChooChooCat wrote: ↑Mon Apr 26, 2021 3:37 pm Btw the Gorener transfer will make more sense here soon enough.
Why would he start being reasonable now?Postmaster wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 9:22 am Is vitale going to keep saying AZ is dirty if Tommy pulls in all these guys?
Vitale allegedly had a one-sided vendetta against Miller. As others have pointed out over the years, once Miller arrived at Arizona and started encroaching on recruiting territory once dominated by Duke, Kansas, Carolina and Kentucky -- and doing it with allegedly less than reputable means, he started alienating some of the power players associated with big NCAA basketball programs and the media. It also didn't help that he blitzed Duke twice on the national stage early in his career with Arizona, solidifying his national stature. Whether all of this is pure conjecture and speculation, or if there is some truth to it, the issue seemed to be more against Miller than Arizona. One suspects Vitale will ease up on Arizona now that a Gonzaga associated coach is at the helm. Arizona has been a big national brand for 35 years, with a history of recruiting major players. If Lloyd continues the trend of making Arizona a premier destination for talent, it shouldn't be a negative story.Postmaster wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 9:22 am Is vitale going to keep saying AZ is dirty if Tommy pulls in all these guys?
I'm not so sure. I think half this was lining up behind the Schlabach report. Robbins gave ESPN the ability to claim victory on that by firing Miller. They could use the implication he was dirty, camouflage the report shortcomings and move on.Longhorned wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 9:27 amWhy would he start being reasonable now?Postmaster wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 9:22 am Is vitale going to keep saying AZ is dirty if Tommy pulls in all these guys?
As far as ESPN goes generally, I'd guess they saw how they got away with broadsiding a program without factual basis, and they'll do it again. Not necessarily to Arizona, but Arizona should get capable leadership in place and be ready.
Up by 20 with less than 2 minutes - yesPostmaster wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 8:47 am I said I’d like to see some court time. I wasn’t saying they should get starter minutes.
Yeah but that's power affirmed for when they see it in their interests to take out a different upstart "non-ESPN" coach/program. They aren't a media outlet. They're a full cable TV network and entertainment conglomerate without any real competing network who can pretend to break news in order to drive viewership at the expense of organizations they aren't invested in. It's hard to see how they'd expect anything other than a repeat of their on-air personalities lining up to defend a story that had no evidence.Spaceman Spiff wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 9:41 amI'm not so sure. I think half this was lining up behind the Schlabach report. Robbins gave ESPN the ability to claim victory on that by firing Miller. They could use the implication he was dirty, camouflage the report shortcomings and move on.Longhorned wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 9:27 amWhy would he start being reasonable now?Postmaster wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 9:22 am Is vitale going to keep saying AZ is dirty if Tommy pulls in all these guys?
As far as ESPN goes generally, I'd guess they saw how they got away with broadsiding a program without factual basis, and they'll do it again. Not necessarily to Arizona, but Arizona should get capable leadership in place and be ready.
I'm not sure ESPN or Vitale really wants to resurrect the story at this point. They got their W when Miller was fired.
EastCoastCat wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 9:46 amUp by 20 with less than 2 minutes - yesPostmaster wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 8:47 am I said I’d like to see some court time. I wasn’t saying they should get starter minutes.
Any other time - no.
A 3-4 minute bad stretch at any point with scrubs playing during a non-blowout game could cost you. No HC in their right mind would do that.
Yeah, if you do this, it sends a message you are treating this like one of those summer trips to play abroad. Everyone gets minutes then because wins and losses don't matter.EastCoastCat wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 9:46 amUp by 20 with less than 2 minutes - yesPostmaster wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 8:47 am I said I’d like to see some court time. I wasn’t saying they should get starter minutes.
Any other time - no.
A 3-4 minute bad stretch at any point with scrubs playing during a non-blowout game could cost you. No HC in their right mind would do that.
I hope Lute's ghost haunts Vitale's home nightly and generally fucks with his sleep habits.midnightx wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 9:40 amVitale allegedly had a one-sided vendetta against Miller. As others have pointed out over the years, once Miller arrived at Arizona and started encroaching on recruiting territory once dominated by Duke, Kansas, Carolina and Kentucky -- and doing it with allegedly less than reputable means, he started alienating some of the power players associated with big NCAA basketball programs and the media. It also didn't help that he blitzed Duke twice on the national stage early in his career with Arizona, solidifying his national stature. Whether all of this is pure conjecture and speculation, or if there is some truth to it, the issue seemed to be more against Miller than Arizona. One suspects Vitale will ease up on Arizona now that a Gonzaga associated coach is at the helm. Arizona has been a big national brand for 35 years, with a history of recruiting major players. If Lloyd continues the trend of making Arizona a premier destination for talent, it shouldn't be a negative story.Postmaster wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 9:22 am Is vitale going to keep saying AZ is dirty if Tommy pulls in all these guys?
Neither Schlabach, Vitale or anyone else has specifically defended the original reporting. They know it was a lie. And they know they can make vague assertions about Miller (cloud over the program, NCAA investigation, etc...). And yes, they probably feel vindicated now that Miller is fired.Spaceman Spiff wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 9:41 amI'm not so sure. I think half this was lining up behind the Schlabach report. Robbins gave ESPN the ability to claim victory on that by firing Miller. They could use the implication he was dirty, camouflage the report shortcomings and move on.Longhorned wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 9:27 amWhy would he start being reasonable now?Postmaster wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 9:22 am Is vitale going to keep saying AZ is dirty if Tommy pulls in all these guys?
As far as ESPN goes generally, I'd guess they saw how they got away with broadsiding a program without factual basis, and they'll do it again. Not necessarily to Arizona, but Arizona should get capable leadership in place and be ready.
I'm not sure ESPN or Vitale really wants to resurrect the story at this point. They got their W when Miller was fired.
Aida did that a couple times this year - watched the bench start to give up a big lead and threw the starters back in for the last minute.Merkin wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 10:00 amI recall one time, forgot the game, when Lute put the scrubs in with 2 minutes left and up by around 20. The scrubs did so poorly Lute said he almost put the starters back in.EastCoastCat wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 9:46 amUp by 20 with less than 2 minutes - yesPostmaster wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 8:47 am I said I’d like to see some court time. I wasn’t saying they should get starter minutes.
Any other time - no.
A 3-4 minute bad stretch at any point with scrubs playing during a non-blowout game could cost you. No HC in their right mind would do that.
That's what I think their strategy is. Don't specifically defend or relitigate the original article. Instead, push articles about Miller's firing under the "cloud of suspicion." Rely on casual fans not to dig deeper and assume the initial story was true.zonagrad wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 10:50 amNeither Schlabach, Vitale or anyone else has specifically defended the original reporting. They know it was a lie. And they know they can make vague assertions about Miller (cloud over the program, NCAA investigation, etc...). And yes, they probably feel vindicated now that Miller is fired.Spaceman Spiff wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 9:41 amI'm not so sure. I think half this was lining up behind the Schlabach report. Robbins gave ESPN the ability to claim victory on that by firing Miller. They could use the implication he was dirty, camouflage the report shortcomings and move on.Longhorned wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 9:27 amWhy would he start being reasonable now?Postmaster wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 9:22 am Is vitale going to keep saying AZ is dirty if Tommy pulls in all these guys?
As far as ESPN goes generally, I'd guess they saw how they got away with broadsiding a program without factual basis, and they'll do it again. Not necessarily to Arizona, but Arizona should get capable leadership in place and be ready.
I'm not sure ESPN or Vitale really wants to resurrect the story at this point. They got their W when Miller was fired.
But Arizona fans have looong memories. Vitale may think the whole thing will be forgotten once Lloyd is in place and I'm sure he'll be singing his praises and cheerleading Arizona. That's what Vitale does. But good luck having him broadcast a game at McKale -- Arizona fans won't forget.
Getting cross-device banned from Twitter for berating Vitale during one of his looney anti-Miller rants was the last time I enjoyed social media.midnightx wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 9:40 amVitale allegedly had a one-sided vendetta against Miller. As others have pointed out over the years, once Miller arrived at Arizona and started encroaching on recruiting territory once dominated by Duke, Kansas, Carolina and Kentucky -- and doing it with allegedly less than reputable means, he started alienating some of the power players associated with big NCAA basketball programs and the media. It also didn't help that he blitzed Duke twice on the national stage early in his career with Arizona, solidifying his national stature. Whether all of this is pure conjecture and speculation, or if there is some truth to it, the issue seemed to be more against Miller than Arizona. One suspects Vitale will ease up on Arizona now that a Gonzaga associated coach is at the helm. Arizona has been a big national brand for 35 years, with a history of recruiting major players. If Lloyd continues the trend of making Arizona a premier destination for talent, it shouldn't be a negative story.Postmaster wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 9:22 am Is vitale going to keep saying AZ is dirty if Tommy pulls in all these guys?
I will be shocked if Vitale ever steps foot in McKale again.zonagrad wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 10:50 amNeither Schlabach, Vitale or anyone else has specifically defended the original reporting. They know it was a lie. And they know they can make vague assertions about Miller (cloud over the program, NCAA investigation, etc...). And yes, they probably feel vindicated now that Miller is fired.Spaceman Spiff wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 9:41 amI'm not so sure. I think half this was lining up behind the Schlabach report. Robbins gave ESPN the ability to claim victory on that by firing Miller. They could use the implication he was dirty, camouflage the report shortcomings and move on.Longhorned wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 9:27 amWhy would he start being reasonable now?Postmaster wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 9:22 am Is vitale going to keep saying AZ is dirty if Tommy pulls in all these guys?
As far as ESPN goes generally, I'd guess they saw how they got away with broadsiding a program without factual basis, and they'll do it again. Not necessarily to Arizona, but Arizona should get capable leadership in place and be ready.
I'm not sure ESPN or Vitale really wants to resurrect the story at this point. They got their W when Miller was fired.
But Arizona fans have looong memories. Vitale may think the whole thing will be forgotten once Lloyd is in place and I'm sure he'll be singing his praises and cheerleading Arizona. That's what Vitale does. But good luck having him broadcast a game at McKale -- Arizona fans won't forget.
At some point he was legit. He actually coached a full NBA season for the Pistons. Yes, it was a crappy season and he got fired shortly after, but the NBA HC has to count for something.Beachcat97 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 12:26 pm Dickie V has always been a glorified cheerleader, right? Everyone knows 99% of what he says is superficial nonsense, and his "columns" on the website are basically plagiarized summaries of whatever he read that morning.
But somewhere along the way, going back a LOT of years, he became a fixture in college hoops culture because he's goofy and animated.
I'd like to see Bill Walton replace him in all his various roles.